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hello this is episode seventeen of audio visual cultures I'm your host Paula player and this addition Angie Sheila knight discuss afia couple that somewhere a rudimentary website is up and running and can be fined it audio visual culture stop wordpress dot com if you can support the development of the podcast and website please make a monthly pledge to PTA on pre confined to more information for night enjoy our discussion on somewhere thanks for the moment even in pre production and according to our database they're they're writing something a pretty stretch I heard from since you only had one night last year soon the number do one every four years I think three to four years check one out of twenty seventeen so it's different from writing on something so probably maybe in a year two years three would return but for nine assists the last of the six services we can't we've done in a couple a joint it's not season has being translation but going over with virgin suicides management bringing in some way even though that means that we've actually done them in the following order if chronically that one three four five six we've actually done then two six one three five four but this is how I have been living thing by my student that's the only reason with them and I would spend you still having the motive thank if you like the whole principle of having unity to a direct example even if that's unity that figure collaboration with the same people is that you should be able to watch them out of order and not notice significant differences between I think this one being so this is twenty thirteen this one from twenty ten twenty ten even earlier this one is easy it's just by the technology summit by the phones being used by the way by it's our hero was a guitar hero or rock star I think the wrong service singing one guitar here was with the guitars that I had and there was I think it must been bound here when it was the fellow on the left it was guitar hero so the tires again for the week your controllers in Titanic guitar yeah and then they were playing Wii tennis which I have memories of my sister who has had to have a we have a supply that on there but that was the only thing that really aged yeah not content B. period party probably fake late twenty first century as we know what I would love because this is the nature of my being to make my handful of nerdy observations about form planning on do you want to have the wrong page and then we'll come back and just have a normal discussion it will be quite extensive because I can rustle through this quickly the first is couplet she's a big fan of long duration yes there's a lot of long takes over a lot of static shot this time but may have been one of the Jesus fairly thoughtful there were I think at least three slow for dalits and then there was one I would tell me which derives meaning from being a rational thought news from she knows her repertoire you know the took advantage of having to come to camera movement there was the usual or not because a couple of things couple signature trait having long moments of not having any Dodgers ago non digest music another brusquely having some only the Dodgers are commanders of music concert and that plays all the way through and then we have another fifteen twenty minutes of non music of any kind so there are the spots of northeast spots we listen to and on track as well as on this particular farm quite a subtle insistence that Johnny's not actually a film actor that's nice profession if you conform to being a Hollywood star I think he's actually good at his music and he seems to be specifically an action star or at least that's the phone that's being promoted and these talk about him doing stunt work in its new %HESITATION he's just done he seems to be option specifically which is interesting given that statement or displaying him and he's a really wide variety of roles and he's not the kind of star that he's trying in this phone the only time of the accident took place the use of commitment to your engineer what is and is not on screen specs very early on affirmative scenes for those long duration locked off shots the first was the very first on the phone which is just him driving around racetrack subsidies driving into an ounce of of screen space repeatedly he's moving in an anti clockwise motion for an occasion on on screen he's going from left to right but then from right to left to see these again and and circling around our wife and everything's in the bottom half of the screen actually so what you would call the positive space the negative space being the overcast sky that positive space is more like this bottom three it was very nice so it's not quite half but it is more than a third this is kind of open shutters I think you might find that are you consider intricately my current position and I think you find that you're going to trust that I'm going to do this for the rest of the phone here and that's great symbolic meaning even if its meaning that's entirely empty because I think there's a lot of things in the film that I noticed there's a lot of banality and the film is focused on and the next it was quite banal thing Reesing around this track in this black sports car there's a lot of emphasis on the Foley signs all the way through the phone the techie when not cars being driven system rated at all it should have the power of the engine and thereafter really hard on it breaks down and things so it seems like he's ready hurricane across part of it but the idea of the driving around in circles but also drive and then on to cook rice motion there's a sense of going backwards and that's very consistent motif throughout the film without cars and if this thing is a symptom of the ways because live set up somebody he's going nowhere and the preventing himself from growing yes press one of the dental division is very first shop which was opened on it like to pretend that I actually counted how long it was going to that extent then there was a slight delay to show an interest within the first few minutes well he's got these %HESITATION if they might be too insular twins but I just also was very similar between hold on for him and his solitary musings of portable problems and we're not doing it becomes what tough so that when they do stuff low down in the polls there are sufficient I'm absolutely obsessed with how funny things on the move into and out of the bottom of the short on screen off screen space which is something through the floor I think it just seems to be completely hilarious many other people look at me rather bemused when I point this out but in this one there were several sorts of been doing kind of twenty pole stuff and it came up short so that it was perhaps just the bottom half of the state this the phone number of the service the cameras going to re frame to observe you know and then when Jonny marker is a main character played by Stephen Dorf when he's watching his daughter cleo ice skates yeah and this is our founding and she's very good light skins Accern %HESITATION what is working and doing that Cameron noted being conspicuously three frames to keep her in the shop transaction is moving fast on that I tend to cope with him watching her eyes are the times when the cold on teacher in his hotel room and the similarity of editing patents yeah makes it a bit creepy I don't know though when I was watching him his fears acting is really just so fascinating the phone because I was getting a sense and he was watching the pole dancers he looks at them in a very similar way as he's watching his daughter ice skating but also in the way that he's watching the guy who plays guitar for them and things so then when they arrive back in LA after being in LA he seems to appreciate performance and talented performers I don't get that he's looking at the pole dancers and FLA sexualized objectifying way he's actually looking at them working hard doing that dance well that's the thing that I was going to point out is that the acting part in the cinema but other aspects %HESITATION dissimilar this two times resource and products is nothing referring to the second time he's quite amused by what they're doing he's like this is really quite creative stuff but the first to be falling falling asleep yeah that's totally different from I was watching here when she's asking him because he's going into exile this is talented stuff he sort of has an awakening there because he had no idea should even be going ice skating that we kind of start would be stopping your proctor moms and they have a conversation and asked her and she should have been doing it for three years you know and she's got old cats got the trash go the base everything and I did know down into it's a really long take that's watching her son broken on it really is a very young L. funding radiating a lot something and she is really very good another dissimilarity as I've said is the fact that it will be fine I think also mentioned a comp showing the balances of golf digest music and she's gone under thirteen years ago but no they don't does have a Jetta of course there because you don't this is not it's just it's playing and it was just the space is different because that's where the comic con mais and the hotel room there in this quite small enclosed space yes it hasn't gone anywhere to go home when he's lying on the bed so he's not moving he's just lying there static and maybe it's reflective that called off of them when they're on the floor he's lying on the bed so he can't see the floor yeah so it's subjective to hem maar as when they're in the ice rink they've got a huge big cavernous space yes and he'd be able to set up a Crian a rind in what turned move with her and that sort of thing the communists objective to ham I can definitely see why my student wanted to write about different classifications of space in each of these films because there are some strict demarcations which are this particular type of space is impressive this particular type of space in the right treatment almost always seem to have something to do with young femininity which is being oppressed of the rectify these different classifications of space the tiny swimming pool that they have access there yet most private swimming pool in the hotel in Italy and clear swimming up and down in that procedure thanks she does like one stroke it also would be good to make into the songs that go with these things because that first pole dance is happening today and they've got the see it when they're packing up their clothing opposing because tiny that open boxes then an emerging that first one to hero by the three fighters and this is not a particularly sexy song and the content is it's not by any kind of sexual or romantic relationship with the by a guy that everybody looks up take so it's setting up box it's more about his character that he's well he's playing the hero Johnny isn't playing here but only as an actor and then maybe he is is playing hero characters it seems we can reasonably expect to find this with every single one of these digestive transponders movie source is that it has a mind ready to function commenting on character relationships most of the women in his life four seven white with long blonde hair I mean this is just getting overly protective whole night and come from the phone there's also a trademark shorten covers films which is the women in the past yeah all the houses had a nervous I think we're going to see a lot of the province's path and the way they were showing response was very kind of lex's during yeah six and a phone takeover yeah maybe I don't really know I just call it as that makes it much more for everything for all fans rather than you say it's more appropriate high fat from life but then with tears I skating we've got more women in that kind of thing but that's just the kind of normal parts of an invoice cases that you have is complete and I finished I was gonna say I you know it the uniforms but they're in it can you know from the socks and sandals dresses it's in those like facts those costumes probably more prepared by the pastel colors yeah I wasn't going %HESITATION this is a really personal phone but actually there were fifty thousand with yeah and what people are wearing so the first pulled out the ring these tiny pink sweater dresses and then under where I would say probably coral time gap thing only they can not closely on that rainy tons body and cleo's ice skating or if it was a very peeled away with the usual sparkles and things your opponents is being just kind of grown up versions of his own daughter one of them they'll presumably both of them shocking John I think it's the base or something one of them get to know each because the calls of the wrong name account time apart and then when he keeps getting names wrong because all of the women he said so I've left exactly the Sammy Cahn tell them apart and then he comes back into his room very late on the phone and finds it both of the women in his bed I think one of the nurses had drawn and the took place and is not not not a good time okay with the move by the twenty three million of it of learning about the more perfect way to relate to women and that since and how much is on set because there's a lot of non verbal communication between him and K. %HESITATION when they're in it and they and he's going to bake some day and he's not an award show where he finds something Anne doesn't regulate you were saying it's a bit lost in translation Bill Murray where he hasn't really got much of a clue what's going on but he fired on the last show of this bizarre no warning and he did not happening and he all the way through he looks really sappy others all these women throwing themselves at him I'm not she's become normal for hands the suspect activity look so shop in there so cranes in prime this is woman who's really angry with him and take him off to the side insisted she think you'd never see me again and all this and then correct me if I'm wrong but it seems to me that same woman comes to the hotel room during the night and they you know so he can clear Ocado that'll bonding moments where they haven't been able to state and so they kept a lot of %HESITATION and and they're watching friends stepped in Italian that's quite funny cute little bonding moment S. reading I saying but then she has a sugar crash falls asleep he saw lying awake and then there's a knock at the door and if this woman and the next morning she's and a dressing going she's on the phone to pay people she's talking to cleo as safe she has entitlement today that she's also asking you how you will be a laugh and she have a boyfriend and this eleven year old is going and her head she can see her thinking of course not I'm %HESITATION Avenue are acting %HESITATION he eventually our rights and %HESITATION she steaming mugs but saying nothing she's just the way she looking at him and he's like oh I'm in trouble you know there's a lot of %HESITATION and facial acting going on there's a lot of gesture so much communication through gesture going on this is one of the two phones of the six which was an original script written by single plate because the others are based on real stories for the meditations or as another she didn't actually have a hand in writing it was the original story and the other one is lost in translation and that has a very similar scene where bill Murray's character whose name means Bob okay October seems to have his eye on a singer at the hotel and then quite late on in the film they actually meet at the bar and spend the night together and show that comes to bos room in the morning and he has the singer singing inside his room and she's even seen Caesar's row and that was very similar to that seen with clear being abruptly confronted with this and a woman and her and our service yeah price when that space has been established between a young woman I'm doing the math yeah but of course lost in translation it's a potentially romantic relationship between the young man it does actually seem to be primarily one of him becoming more responsible yeah lost in translation but becoming responsible which has shades of current relationship serves very similar things happening right the firm is fantastic at making its employing fewer feel really uncomfortable our journey having any of these relationships with them in his own name as if it's going to go does not want to do this but actually it's going I think you got into the wrong happened and to interact with one you're mentioning this lopsided by silence I love to see the scripts for these films because the idea that somebody statement moderate someone because the principal in a script if it's one page on the script it's ten minutes of screen time assuming that people are talking to each other yeah present couple of films as these pharmacists waves of people from their site and also want people to talk it's calm it's quiet there's no histrionics it's all wasted effort and a very kind %HESITATION dad pun play and even what we might call the film's climax where Johnny and supporters of because I think he just because his what seems to be his semi permanent partner you're listening by the one who keeps dropping in on and we have very little about the funds are being just says on nothing no one's going to use it I think it was and this is another thing is is %HESITATION if even at that moment he's crying he's upset but it's not that big shanty everyone needs to be feeling something really intensely right now but acting and even when cleo and cleo it has to be said it's an incredible character she is so capable organized not only is she great ice dancer and she S. as guitar hero she is a great cake you see her making really accomplished males and he by contrast doesn't count yeah he makes very sloppy basic meals that aren't sticking healthy she makes really elaborate complicated things and she makes it look really easy and seems to enjoy it she just doesn't she just phones up and borders the stuff and to make things and she just knows that there's no %HESITATION there's none of that when they're having breakfast she has a laptop I NG thank you making a list of all the things I have and what I need for comp and she's organizing everything but one point I wrote it is clear this film's couple ago and yes she is on the cover girl has certain characteristics and one of them is that sense of competence yeah very independent very able the second is that she's in her teens well she's a laugh and so she's pretty tame there's a discussion around whether eleven twelve countless teens tweens this is for if we say I mean she's very mature eleven year olds if you say I was born in the teens as an immuno of the ten I was gonna say he's running eighties someone set up on a channel in the team if you were in the teens it would be nineteen seventeen if you were born in the tent and she would have been nineteen twelve well that's how I would do it but I can't speak for all the few moments all right so she's completely I was a girl who is older than ten she's still a child she still girl she selling girl who'd go it includes quite a lot of years because Charlotte in most intensely she's the girl of the film well it took twenty third girl next to her if not for the woman that's what I think that's partly because she's being played by Scarlett Johansen who was only nineteen playing at twenty four twenty five year old I mean now finding I don't know maybe a Connecticut up water actually H. was when she was filming this but she looks about the radiation she doesn't like any older than thirteen certainly but he knows you calculation may not trade at telling the pages of small people he was born in April nineteen ninety eight so she would have been up by eleven or twelve when this is found when in twenty ten to come I should release dates seems like it was in the service maybe in the summer months of two thousand nine cameras from festival in September twenty ten seems general release the last couple months of content film the latest turn summer of twenty ten years almost exactly the same as a second yeah she's a couple of girls in some respects one of which is that she's not self conscious she's in recent she's very confident she does get cold pretty and beautiful and things like that all the time but there seems to be a respect I noticed that the guy he seems to be her uncle Johnny's brother seems only to be there when she's there he's never run to and Johnny's on its own with the pharmacy there's a party yet but he's not on his own because that's just some expand that Schiff stuff that is we have one more nerdy observation her city this you know how we noticed on yeah the energy sector okay because we noticed on the bling ring it was dedicated to him is lost from and he's been responsible for a decision to have one of the trucks with the bling ring ransacked house shot from quite some distance away an extreme long shot and it's just listen for the glass in this house another is that bit where Johnny he's been driven home after the press junket and this is the driver coming make a quick stop is on the ground at similar drugs is fine the camera stays outside still showing the comma with the driver waiting for John can see into the big window you can see Johnny he goes in and it's his girlfriends I don't know if it's come across to me that this was a regular person that he has I wouldn't say they had a romantic relationship just a regular person because he has lots of other people the full time I am up it was gotten quite comedic No Way women are eyeing him up and there was a letter that I thought was bald and lost in translation the question of who he is comes up quite a lot there's this identity crisis going on because he doesn't have a southeast this actor guy he's just Johnny Marco anything not name is starting on a message just to kind of generika geranium and there's no sort of personality behind who you thought could be it's just the idea of Johnny Marco %HESITATION that Hollywood actor he does that he spake blockbuster action may face and so these women I know he he is and they're attractive so he'll go with them on these main characters I did think of one point this isn't storms critique of Stockton the firm seem to be very much into people doing what they're good at I'm very much against people being famous for being famous and what we have with Johnny use him you know who will be working up by his agent phoning and saying this because outside waiting to take you to this thing he's not planning his dying during way tell done before going was directed by his agent told there's a bed at the party but this is really young aspiring actor stops him and tried to ask him a few questions some advice he asked Johnny if he studied socks saying anything no no I just call any agent that addiction started getting parts keep at it you'll be fine and just walks off and doesn't care it's all very funky thank you Saturday or to seems to be something he fell into by accident they didn't seem to be really trying hard to date the shift to come this guy and it doesn't seem to have been what he really wanted to today but that has given them this access to pull these things in life according to the logic of the from the reason why so constantly budget to do junkets and to do what he does to it the first program at primary and there's an award show he's become a production he's become yeah I think it's important to to an industry regardless of whether at the time of the phone takes place he's working out cool regardless of whether he still has the skills for which he initially became a production by the firm's quite strident that he doesn't have the skills anymore if he ever had the baby there was a lot of blood he's not a worker in a cultural market for the whole of this film even the bit where he's doing a photoshoot with us he's coached on the phone he shot some time for this the job of acting like their friends and Connie can do that that was a telling saying America wide shots show that he's been standing on the block to pay slightly taller than her yeah that's another point to losses major Hollywood metal stuff I'm not actually is total is working on a huge blocks in a couple of to three inches but if there any standing on a and it shows she am something on a verified and then subtly reveals that and I find it fascinating the scene where he has to go into that press static makeup child where he gets this whole had paid imposter this is a couple of things I think she just likes to have fun usual things happen for real in front of the camera yeah what's that it revealed itself there is a slight tipping over into documentary he said when I was playing when it reveals what it is they've been dating and that's actually been %HESITATION pathetic make up tried to make him look like an old man so it must be for his next role and it seems like a really reveal the fifteen rounds we could see the miracles of after hours of him do you make up and prosthetics I thought that Stephen Dorf coming round yeah hello brother no one yeah there was just a tiny glimmer of I can see why he might be a valuable worker in there this call for industry and it's that one we could get somebody who's actually done sold to play the role only somebody's young fit would have the stamina to actually work in a similar case eight twelve which shifts from from someone who's battled just would be able to or it may be suggested it could be a time travel thing for the film the skip in time because that's where we seen that before that was the smallest glimmer of some indication that he might have skills that were needed for this market yeah it was this is a guy who wants to be doing music it seems like these are the in term of mount Caesar the banal between moments of that way of life of thought industry worker doing promotion for one felt that was found a year or two ago fine you for call on the phone I mean your costar because you pastor off probably because he fell asleep halfway through %HESITATION you having sex with her like he does a couple of times with people and %HESITATION it's like a critic of the vacuous ness of this way of life and nothing's really radio even if there's moments of real life and that you can't get enough of the constant on them because he's not part of his daughter's life enough and they both know that they both come to realize that he apologizes for that in a way that's really silly because the scarlet helicopter behind him and she come here her in so much is starting as the practice of using a person as a production value because it doesn't include some sort of mechanism for realizing when a person is stopped being a production line that could be seen as a bug in the system our system of making culture which otherwise maybe okay as far as compass consent but she seems to think it's not okay for someone to just stop being stopped and both Bob in lost in translation and Johnny in some waxing to be liberated by those moments of anonymity they are normal guys swept up and nice strange way of life night notifying that this world of celebrity puts all the bike the image what you like I can not tell anybody Sadie says stop persona of the Hollywood actor Johnny Marco and he's really just living a life of what you're supposed to do when you are that person know that surface image of a person and not the real actual guy there's just no %HESITATION attachment and then not swear the identity crisis comes because there's nothing to read on TV and he's not even think he's living in hotel rooms he's call no home he's got no place of his own he's championed the stagnant and transient at the same time unlike most in translation the hotel is not a place of discovery and adventure the hotel is buying and yeah hello it gets quite boring actually saying these women just sitting around with no top on the fourth pair of boobs that we saw in this film was the point where I went %HESITATION we're supposed to have demystified these pointless point and says Johnny and Johnny paid to hire fifteen before spitting out office or on the mark well that's the thing because there's not ready for moments of these are on the phone if the agent has phoned and telling them about the at least check the acetate and he's just looking around and on the balcony below there's a woman who's been sunbathing in a bikini and she looks up she sees it as and she on those that became the top and basically flashes him and he kind of just turns around and walks away thank you yeah these women are telling him and a lot of different ways I am sexually available T. age simply because of who we are I'm not sexually available to all man from sexy the availability rate because you're a Hollywood star with no personality so I just want to have slept with you because of what he are rather than who you are as a person or that I even find she bop a tractive because he's really shopping came please never change the event he's been beaten up he's got his rest and that costs for most of the phone impedes his ability to do quite a few things he's got braces honest faith either execution but now he says as he stands and stomps that's gone wrong that kind of thing these days it was just the differences there just south I'm searching because he's actually pretty cordless and then I started to think about you can send the vision women here just really wanting to have sex with him I was interested in because there's one where at the party he just says hello to someone and then the next thing there and bads she's really gotten into it and he keeps repeating kiss me kiss me and that made me think well he seems to be wanting some kind of a faction not necessarily the sexual gratification but he really wants to be cast here he wants a faction rather than sacks they can't dine to things and he goes to go dine on her and then pretty much immediately falsely produce from ago always dead there's no reason was going to sleep out quickly we just died but he did not he hasn't necessary finest safeties prostate because he's been drinking very heavily and he's also on medication for pain and things like that the arc of this film is he learns to rise above all that stuff because of these developing relationship with care and it was working last year clear which prompts him at the end together I don't think I'm gonna be famous anymore and he just walks away from not just is great but the seemingly all of his personal possessions exotic car yeah he's just a guy walking down the highway with his concert yeah winds ten to the sun if the firm attended a couple of seconds earlier from a dozen often do without really upbeat numbers music in the last few seconds my sister would have been his golf clubs because the music to him before that was quite urgent and quite scary yeah where's that was quite a bit it was quite nice on any smiling and that was the thing is that the coverages and just watch him walk away it comes right into the front of him and I was looking at everything he's leaving behind the car they think they've left the key in the ignition so he has no need for this card that looks really found safe but sign second over Iraq and runs like an old crack it's not a good car and he was on the phone the fully signed some credibility I meant to write on here that site designer was and I just missed the nam so much of the start of the film is so quiet that the slightest signed becomes really amplify and pretty meaningful and there's so much non talking between Johnny and cleo so much communication going on they have a really sweet scheme of table tennis they're just in their fire fates the home really nice though holy that's really sweet and it just actually remind me your daughters the way yo planted garden in your bare face was just normal it's a family thing even during my recent trip to respond with tongue firmly in the White House had a founding member of table tennis with my little brother exactly done nothing with it for over a decade exactly the terms on this very important part of hunting and all that they do lots of reading I things together there's even a moment where he says you want to stay another day before I take you to come in she says yes her mom has decided it seems to just dump her mom's story yeah I was really expecting it to become a big thing where he would have to go and find what happened to him %HESITATION even though the restaurant is because something quite serious injures up into a mountain maybe how mom and killed herself I think you look into much into that space from the party shows just over ninety minutes and it was a bite those almost dead boring moments in life between things let's say I'm in the habit of going on to find out about big picture because I don't see evidence of that definitely worth the fight this is about the tiny things that will inform me I was hearing her voice in the phone being very vague and saying that can you just make sure she gets the comp on this date I just need time it seems like this person is going through some mental health issues we have very little by her we don't know whether they were married or not before fourth eighteen and that nothing relationship or not before we don't know if she'd been one of his conquests who got pregnant or if they don't actually have a meaningful relationship yeah I think that they probably did it but he's a womanizer so it's not going to work all right but cleo in the car %HESITATION Saturday but he very quietly brick sign that's quite soon after she has very quietly broken dined and the car and he just noticed says that she's been silently crying beside him and comforts her and he doesn't say very much all he really says don't cry and it's not very effective but then so should do fun things with her he seems to have actions rather than words with her I got the sense of optimism but he's been in Las Vegas and shooting craps in the casino yeah and she has to stand one away from the table yeah that seems to be an actual thing than the actual what is it creeping has to tell you to do actually told I was trying to do this list suddenly being in the same room as real people doing their job yeah and that's and that's the same with finishes out over yeah so strange it was like he just pop to come visit so for a couple on sex this is an emergency we need to for ten seconds so it's just a tiny conversation last month and I don't even know what they're supposed to be yourself or the stadium they guess it was so quick it was over in any never come back question I think on the fly through all these films because I have a hunch that I might be right is the civic open never shows people having consensual enjoyable sex to completion because either it's not consensual it's not enjoyable or it's not completed because of several instances in this if you separate or Johnny just passes out then there's a long way after some sex with the person who lives across the hall from him in the home town but it's happening off screen so it's not stealing shown you just have after Logan and had both going up and down when we watched force I was uncomfortable about the fact that Spielberg had made all the French people and young people speaking to each other separately we were hearing them speak French but magically hanging rather than having subtitling and just as infuriating as during seven product lines is there some talking welcome to speak in their native languages business sometimes so both are really jarring and then there's several numbers when they initially in someone where campuses speaking Italian and now sometimes again first quarter loss of yeah that's the timing dialogue and we're being put into the point of Germany yeah nine to seven cleo because they don't understand the Italian menswear with them and you just get a few bits and pieces and then some of the anti and characters and people think cameos as well because a lot of those were real personalities were saying that all things are tiny translations enough for him to have understood what's going on so the person interviewing them on the spot for TV and on the stage at the award shows this is speech Schrader and that time again but he isn't calling him up and the tiny in Egypt it seems the guy organizing and sort of in charge of everything is tracked their tops on the shoulder to let him know that you're going now when they say your name they're gonna say your name anything she has them M. I. consists of the stages you're sending clash they do best like that because they have to communicate with him in general the real people whose journey into it's with a really nice so there's a guy whose job it is to take care of his comma James he's going nuts the people who stuff the hotel that they were enough to initially the more local hotel well really nice people as a host of contrast between characters who have quite a serious counter deficiency and busy people around them who in spite of being busy or just generally nice and do things for them and then jump into somebody else's shepherd of income outside the swanky hotel in Italy the drive goes on even in a car and then drive is always here for you Johnny I'll take you any place just helping there was a moment when I think both of us got a sense that this was not into the graduate for me it was during the underwater basket not just the front those underwater filming but it was under water filming in a swimming pool a very bright day since the water seems to be kind of glowing with all this refracted light and then characters enter the shot from above the gym it is harmful and there's a moment of I'm not sure what I'm seeing those bubbles and sometimes everything and then they're looking more or less straight into the camera itself five midway through the culture cumbersome the graduate they have a really lovely bonding moment again and the political effecting a pretend tea party it's really funny the last one that we got there you can't go above that level thank so when it was really sweet and funny things like Stephen Dorf an alpha thing as actors must of had a reading of the report is coming three at least fifty dead from this one's in my heat it's meant to show initiative whose R. Carter and then he giggling coming and going he runs the show and he's got her over his shoulder and those moments I was going to market had a good start but it will but now it was okay to be done if we quit trusting they thought they saw is very sweet and the thing that really redeems Johnny is his capacity to have a relationship with clear which insulates her from all of these other versions of femininity these adult versions of femininity that are quite sexually charged is his ability to respect the fact that for a good at least six of seven years yet she's not going to be that convention and so you know be carrying her down the corridor weather's giggling and playing is one of the warm parts of this film that's the way in which scattered about there's a bit where chaos is describing a novel about a vampire not being able to be with unknown vampire we're seeing some pretty sure it was twilight rulers I was Russell it's not a blatant bid of Hey this is a teen and teens are different from kids and grown ups in fact become like aliens because I didn't think that such a couple did blatant versions of that but I suppose actually thinking about it she does the place that was a big novel at the time I mean if this is two thousand ten I remember people right now then I'm not the target audience the people he removed it from on the net and then Brady enjoy and that it was all right around that time and coming back there's also possibly a ferry flight and all of T. Stephen or characterization is the head of the younger vampires yeah his generation from Verizon sprint T. even very grown and they're taking over from the old %HESITATION course because there's something at bats K. for Sutherland and lost boys by Stephen door and how it affects I find Hey %HESITATION the shape of this faith thing I think it's a very sought after I I really like them he said SO three and she's really impressive this candy Darling and I shot on the fourth hole that's funny I'm going from a trans character and not and then this guy Johnny who's quite hyper masculinized as efficient %HESITATION you've got him freaking night when the Mr %HESITATION the agency hasn't told him hi this guy works on that his regular person becoming thank you for getting this month coming and that this guy works naked naked by men chosen by on that edge naked guy come on the it was one of those still self contained episodes set pieces this is the thing about corpus films is okay we're gonna have this thing happened in this country now and then that's going to show or something or it's going to slow is about the character is what he's gonna study changed character but then the causality that that sets up well because I was you know things about us now is when I'm gonna have another thing that happens to a character a couple of days later well a crew change from having sold the chain of change what a crew information about character and it doesn't give couples phones a sense of temporal use was the best way to put it doesn't lack something it just doesn't do that temple agency that comes from okay now we've got the causality from C. names going to seeing being now it's changed because of these events and that same chain of causality carries on scene six month lease agreement what sort of building up a little bit more of the picture by this guy because the central questions he is Johnny Marco because that's one of the questions he's asked that the pastor okay that he has to go to a and he can't answer that question he doesn't know so he's a guy he doesn't like that or at least doesn't like that being sprung on him there's a lot of things that are sprung on him again there's no histrionics he just cyclic I'm sorry man and I'm not into this thanks for coming here anyway but I'm not saying this it's all very amicable actually there's no drama it's just no I'm not happy with it so stop and I and the guy stops in a nascent fine it's been a lack of communication that has been not the fault of theirs we watched film score by John Williams recently if Germany was given that seeing your they'll be trumpets that would be violations galore there would be these kind of sweeping and motive melodramatic hints about how this was the fifth of seven points was complete just goes no no don't do that %HESITATION I play of intrinsic in about ten minutes time for the moment you're going to have this plant in a single shot and I'm just gonna acting do I thought the music was already restrained on this %HESITATION and it is used to log but compared to the others to slot machines in the bling ring it has to be there and it has to be almost constant because the gang are almost constantly listening to music and Marie Antoinette's she's almost constantly partying them contemporaneously that's being paid is telling a lot of the narrative in terms of mate but here it was a fully signed I think was great and I love the grunt work in this film it's wouldn't be accurate to conclude that she uses sound very little of all is that she uses sound in a way where the effectiveness of it both the trustee of it to me is heightened by the fact that for the past five minutes you've been hearing someone even just parts where there's a very slow %HESITATION Dalian on Johnny when he's getting that plaster work done around his head and all you can hear him very thing and just a very tiny ambient signs and the workshop or mind the really tiny just that Arab the white noise of life it's a quiet workshop there's nobody else around it just laughed and sat in there and he's breeding stuff %HESITATION he can date in that moment is great because it actually shows when they're complaining that surround around its axis hole has covered and he just call these holes at its nostrils all he can do is sit still and brace and the signed as Brady focusing on operating and has had century for intimate his nostrils are pretty much dead center to pull fram reminders is this medicine off because we talked about that is ostracized probably counting within that section Digimarc in some way we're not getting what it's like behind the scenes of filming a film or preparing for film or anything the film is just what it's like to be someone who works in that profession but we see some blobs of the work involved in the work of sitting down and having you had most of it is something which couple seems rather interested in depicting he seems to want to go okay I'm gonna show you a couple of things about what it's like to work in this industry one will be that your agents constantly on it hit another will be during junkets with people haven't seen for years and the other one's going to be just being very patient four people poke around your head that's very physical and there's a lot of to do non consensual touching that he have to be okay even at that press conference him the actress we're having the kind of hug and smile and talk to each other and they're not happy about that she the ticket is not happy about that but they have to do their job and they have to and she's better at acting happy about it and he is he just six actually conveys and I think it's a really delicate balance to get actually is that I'm trying to be happy with this but I'm not happy with this kind of look at your face doesn't you have to be slightly back to you with your online is asking me how he but not really happy with the tiniest little differences with how tight the card is zero and the furry forget because I think this is something that underpins the famine it's really subtle but it's easily forgotten about it is the text messages he keeps getting from the anonymous number that insults him and then full time usually I think three question posed to him that you think you're hot shot the VA stuff like that and they really passive aggressive almost operators times anything he's been followed they see me even to be taxed from somebody who can see what he's doing at the same that way the comic moments when he's just done something yeah and of course this is something that covers probably taking pride in by this point Accuray and I have no explanation and he doesn't even racing to react he gets the taxi looks at it you see what it is if it's a phone line for gains by that and so the next time it happens just looks at me so and then forgot about it but there's always see this internal buildup of stuff going on he doesn't really know who he is if the the sort of person Hey maybe he thinks he's doing something differently or that he's doing what he's supposed to daisy and LA if you're famous actor you're supposed to act like you think you are something but I'm just saying they I don't think he does think he is something because he's so peripheral alone and very public places he got the party seems to be in his own place he's kind of mowing your rhymes %HESITATION these peripheral he's in the background I he saying somebody had come over to get something and they'll say hello and they won't stop to talk to him not to smoke off very quickly then he'll just make a beeline for someone he's he's probably never met before but has been looking at him and then immediately it would be in bed together and again it's nothing to do with him as a person that day with him as an icon convalescing about technical for movies podcasts and the three guys who do that together Norwegian's eighth on Ryan and I both have this constant comedy routine about how when they go to a theist events and on the go three of them recently at the American atheists annual convention in Oklahoma City that party women just throw themselves after three of them even though as they constantly joking apart costs none of the three of them are a tool easy on the house that they're a lot better as oh dear I used to think unless this guy exponentially I can believe this something of a celebrity here even if it's minor celebrity we just lose your ability to make important distinctions in that situation another stylistic thing complacent because comfortable keeping our cameras down to earth people's faces yeah so do it only in close yeah even with those slower in which creeps doesn't get too close to a dozen get intimate the majority of the shots %HESITATION no closer than medium long shots the long shot seems to be able to stand it there are several ways of making distinctions about things that are further than long shots of the very long show the extinguisher she's fine with that as well as safety the ping pong table tennis if you take the same action and for me to really concentrate on the interaction between two characters you for me in a simple short consultant way shooting each of the two actors in something like mediumship maybe made in class it's a very complex one camera filming no question the sign but also from one of the corners but back quite a bit so it's a long shot you can see everything and they're doing it for radio there are actually falling on mission to be improving as well yeah yeah it's reasonable to tell what is improvised dialogue and what is not but I think it's one as places where you can trust your instincts but they probably built up a reporter and she's been able to say just play a game you know and to be fairly naturally about remember your roles with each other and five go to Stephen she doesn't anything to call them anything to call them does not have any point I don't think she does I think you hear me every user name on the score their name tattooed on one of the alarms he's got quite a few tattoos I try to have a look at what some of the mark one of them said made in the USA there was another one that was broken but I thought it looked a bit like an eagle with stars so I thought there's maybe an American hero thing going on the all American hero again this is sort of mythical character that doesn't mean you have a personality it's just a stock character type really which seems to be the sort of roles that he plays a factor as fallen into playing there was a moment when they passed a car crash and it seems like it's a one car accident is very brave as they're passing it and it seems to be a sports car as driven into a wall of mines the ruse that hundred cable just not America already rolled down a hill and into a world without a driver it seems like they were just walking into work that morning on filling this out so much Hey this is been a constant %HESITATION Sunderland city government okay right I will get a comma we use in that it's gonna be a random thing that I found is that some of our sister is quite a history of films that feature car crashes in somewhere another but I think it's a big thing and John that god hours early films there's a lot of car crashes and has already found initial out of characters passing the aftermath of the crash we're getting into crashes that sort of thing the image took me back to those for a moment thank his weekends and I think it's even and Epicephala breathless there's a part where Michelle is quite nonchalant ruined an accident in Pittsburgh scoping out at something related violence does happen and people are just coughing up a list to be direct paths thing thinking about filming process is a film in which a character very early on get an injury and then spends most of the rest of the film with a conspicuous piece of dressing for the injury the only Capcom's miners Johnson all right yes but there are others I would think and when to you is that you chase by writing on her dad's Kosten it's caught in an interesting way you have the second time with the pole dancers and one of those really annoyed with them and goes off and the other one goes up to him kisses and unpopular bubble gum and then there's an implication of not that sex happens and so it cooks the block and then the next thing a woman's hand is writing on the casting me think up the next morning and this woman's writing on this cast and then at the receipt with cleo hello garland it's clearly because she threatened her own %HESITATION trying inner knee and that week search out up top need me thank all of Grace Kelly and rear window because she is the first to write on Jefferies cast she writes here lies the broken bones of I think it's J. B. Jeffries I think actually you see that on his cast and places available later in the film as something similar at this part of her before you're sure to feel about it Grace Kelly paying this woman that was one of the shows that made me think when it's fun revealed that it's clear I'm not one of these two pole dances he seems to be having a relationship with that was one of those shots that made me think that is a deliberate attempt has to try and make the viewer feel uncomfortable about regarding the sexual beings because they hold up to some point where an eleven year old girl the firm just going through just gonna remember that women humans because there were kids once everything's in the house is it may be trying to say this adult hurting kids maybe doing something very different nearly opposite to the %HESITATION it's worth a rewatch of her entire corpus to times yeah thank you is very agile and that she is so capable I mean she's more capable than our parents in many ways and you think what are kids of hurry it's more capable and then made a C. thirty three it's because we've come tram tracks this may be the model for couples that is fit for X. when one is made fifteen one is that one structures not maintain she's thirty ten I mean this one that I'm not meant to the state was looking at her in town up there is indication that she's going to develop she's going to get back to you can become even more capable person and she moves further on the twentieth and said look at all the other couple of girls average the Milan the H. for these go seems to be meeting there does seem to be a sense that she has maybe had to become not capable because her parents are not capable thing that struck me is implicit criticism of Orlando is drinking doesn't seem to be any positive drinking because that's all drinking absolutely smashed out here has look in order for the phones of couples that we've seen last couple of months lost in translation drinking satiated with empty rhetoric mines one that there is some teen rebellion drinking and drinking for teenagers investigating is the first time that's okay bling ring this is so easy to criminality as jokes that go with the checking their drinking by adults in these films is not a good thing teenagers seem to be more questions to the benefits of drinking %HESITATION which is just a computer better providing against the parent culture I was thinking actually with other potential very subtle phone references when he's getting the path moulds done it was making me think about it the invisible man but this had dropped off the way it is and then again that questions over his identity he's quite anonymous in many ways Johnny Marco to email first name the first name and awareness Mike's par can expect an RNA fish public competitions with other Hollywood Johnny's action heroes where the name just kind of trips off the tongue when I was a teenager are quite pretentious laid plans the pseudonym I would use a five became a published author as of course is the No one one as a teenager and fix so confidently of one's abilities I've never used it on the network so I'm happy to share it I was gonna come as Edwin Andrews is one the things that says this isn't a real nice because it's two first names slinky retooled to make it look like an actual center same thing about John rocker's has that smack of even the stories by someone that he can be his real name because it's very common so I stopped working in a highly career in the city I think even the marquis or something like that and that's very common for people to come back to sure descended from immigrants say under five magnify the name Eric boundaries for example binary is actually short for badminton and there was a small indication that that might have been what Johnny done because the film here's a junket for seems to be about taglyan them no no I. Latin American characters there's honest about how the film up since last American characters and you just seem to blank yeah Hey Jeff question you got the sense that he turns up and he does the lines and then it goes again the young actor the young aspiring actors asking what kind of process he uses to see some assets %HESITATION here thing what what you mean method acting yeah yeah I mean that %HESITATION no I don't see any of that stuff he wasn't giving anything away but there was something this time to trace that he just doesn't really do any preparation he just turns up a satisfying to goes on I think a lot of actors do that it's a part of the machine they don't need to be experienced it turned out they say they need to say on the day somebody's probably feeding them the lines from the sidelines they just turned up the day they go wasn't love Kuleshov here broke that whoever you put in front of a camera to make fiction film should not be an act it should be something like a will he call the marionettes I could call them back to my kids anyway whatever time used the occasion was what you really want to put in front of a camera remaking a fiction film is something this is Kirsten automaton as possible but we just moved a hand from down here to up there at this particular speed at this particular time you just want to cost people according to the given physical qualities like heightened shoulder width for example have a book that kind of thing you know because people have things that they can do if they put some effort into it you know it costs people for their ability to protect and there is a lengthy history people and from at least being popularly demands to become film stuff just because there's some characteristics that they were born with rather than anything that can bring about fifty after faxing and rather than the ability to learn the skill of acting so that might be exactly what we just go in somewhere it's difficult again at least in this industry one does not need to be able to it just needs to be able to do exactly as one is told at any given moment what is the weather is actually true because it seems that amongst the assortment of the A. list stars yeah you've got a bunch of people who do seem to play themselves as a whole debate about whether the person that playing is actually themselves in these films because maybe they themselves that we see outside of the films is itself performed alongside that contra factors you seem to be playing themselves as another contractors who pride themselves on right the variety of roles they play definitely indicates the acting is something they have some ability at least I thought it was interesting hi cleo always has this to do good for tiny details used to being left on our own whether it's fire mother or father she's always prepared to occupy herself was a really nice touch because she pose that open date not long arrived at the hotel and that lady and the woman behind Greenwood Johnny because some of the sites this is an accomplished artistic using detailed measles and again it shows you have in your old days it okay and this is at the time and it has just exploded as a globally popular phenomenon she's got his back to defeat it she goes out of her product and just set those up because she's been left on our own so are you part of an increasingly small crowd said okay aficionados I was really big into different accounting that's the logical thing it's not just that she has something to occupy her this child has a lot to go brain she likes to solve puzzles she could give order to things she's coded as being very clever very organized orderly but even when the order arrived Herbert signed at a fax her again it's not very difficult conversation that this topic that company keeps bringing up is that people with the most excessive privilege and the morals are still not happy people that all the wealth and all the mobility and all the beauty and all this and this and all the nice clothes no look the hair being able to travel I mean all of those things if your parents are transaction in own life I'm not affecting you as to the left in your old need to control over that it's not that fun and it's difficult because if you come from any other kind of background and the last of the perfect system not that difficult to emphasize for ladies I'm just looking back through all six of these phone companies seems to concentrate on what it's like to be eighteen or does this seem to confirm what it's like to be in a position of go anywhere in this film the main point here is the bass off Johnny get some implied point of you stuff about creative but it's definitely not a film where care is the main character she's not then for the first few minutes and she's absent for the last ten or so minutes of wealthy she disappears from the story which is quite significant cactuses cannot be principal point of view character that's right the day unlike the other couple films because a lot of lost in translation I see most of lost in translation is from Charlotte's point view very sincere science there's a lot of the wells from the point of view these girls even though we don't get to hear what's going on and in a psychological landscape lingering the guy old man into an apple from the viewpoint of teenagers %HESITATION isn't even in the Commonwealth actually the phone doesn't start for the male characters it starts off with one of the girls going out to pick mushrooms and she finds him yeah this is unusual in diverting quartz lots of its attention to the outlook on life off and I don't mind the clear the thing that that amount is missing in his life is a meaningful relationship with a girl natural gas my name is on the phone towards the end he was breaking down into his regular person asking her to come over it seemed like he wasn't asking her to come over next Saturday for sacks he needed company needed affection attachment something and I was thinking he doesn't realize of what he really needs is his daughter he misses her and it's not clear that he recognizes that stops he's missing that cities trying to fill the gap please there's this boy age because he has a really good relationship with his daughter it's quite an effort this relationship mostly because she is so mature and self entertaining maybe a bit of a surprise to find that what he was doing that in the film was just striking out into the desert because I thought he was going off to spend some time with the smart symbolic thing I think because the film begins with them driving in circles and it ends with him walking forwards and leaving that behind and is spending the time with her which has enabled yeah so it doesn't just sit back now is one of the value of that relationship in the end this is a good piece of work I think yeah really solid phone I think that's probably my favorite of the six months didn't did say those somewhere was quick question I don't know if it's because I'm tired and it's been a long day but I did feel the time passing listen but we are used to things just moving much faster and a couple of sums aren't slow cinema but they are much lower than conventional film night so they are something in between so cinematic and conventional cinema what number is this if we're counting put costume which you and I've had a really tiny do you want to chat that's not the right past nine o'clock at night next time difficult because this is working all day and then by the time we watch the film it's usually after eight or nine I'm gonna give myself okay I have done something I rarely do we serve what's the entire scope of the films of director and publicist films are you okay yeah the system made about the same amount again %HESITATION tools okay host internet feature from apple right not counting luxury yachts have because that's a film of an opera that's a life thing most not yeah that's not quite the same okay so what center fees from out the office and director and I have watched a body of work which is student of mine is working only because the student is working on it well primarily I was forced to because I want to do what Copeland for for for many because that students writing on it I've done stuff like this before I had a student writing on one film for a five thousand word essay Anderson from before and it was the asset but they were specifically assigned to me to develop over the course of an entire semester yeah in that situation of course but never gonna watch the entire fees from out of a direct have you seen any shock on the war on their causes and the fame might have seen all of my parents films that he happened to me she was well into a very who's in town I have seen but at the moment then when I can be sure of is the script I'm currently are not not working completely opposite leave the piece of writing that the student wrote on the company's phones I'm finally getting around to marking the day after tomorrow so I'm actually finding a quick to market this thing which I know some other things of note I think for the film this is a really nice static shocks quite alone seventy eight with clear %HESITATION and Johnny and the guy seems to be his brother her uncle %HESITATION sitting on the sofa and they're talking about stuff the whole time Stephen Dorf is amazing the cast for rail on his arm he's coming off from wrapping it off on that so real and it's all in one take interestingly as well like the show much that is performed for radio in front of the camera the camera static or it's there's no cutting it nice and the likes if they pull down saying that ice skating the guitar playing the guy playing the guitar and singing as a live that life this file but Johnny slash Steven door is not actually playing the piano and the back or we find he can but yeah because the show is so that his times are scared and we can't see he's not really playing it severe life twice with a Stephen Dorf pushing play FE compared piano is not as accomplished as the character is a show in which we can see a van Palantir's discovered and championed India to become future I was one of the more indicative shots of this restraint about getting cameras up in people's faces this lady is not convinced Starbucks are firm in the next room camera position and their status to provide a revealing comparison my colleague Tina tells me that when she's filming she always finds herself standing behind her own camera operator and physically pushing him closer to subjects and having seen only one of a film that I haven't seen it twice she loves to get cameras Reuters scribbles there's multiple sections we control for direct is on the spectrum of how close to one count as directors like to get to the cameras speakers at the distant end of that spectrum is a second think of any directors significantly further away from that cactus I would say if you go to %HESITATION soon yes I hear you say and maybe even the likes of reporter Rossellini whether Commish just sitting back and very domestic but now things are happening at the focus shop where everything is and clear view and it's up to you for your eyes to wander around and decide what you want to look at for me at this is communicating faces just them being themselves in the space for art ciders for checking in on this we're not getting too close because it's a private moment but also it's one of the many examples and some wire both non verbal communication and nonverbal bonding between father and daughter were difficult this comfort with him just playing a piano and she just called up this nine or not long before that where the guy he seems to work at the hotel free shipping the song seems to be called something along lines or at least there was a line of I just want to be your ten the barrier he's playing the guitar and singing to them SO very intimate moment and quite a fake public space yes but not that many people then and they're quite peripheral to everybody else he said Orion's fifty scoreless okay in an open space you know when I curl up on the sofa together and they're enjoying it and they appreciate the performance and it's very special the guy's not doing it for money he's doing it for pleasure today's essay title is severe coupler is in New York NY a realist filmmaker discuss because it seems that there's little elements there of wanting to be a documentarian in one section well there's a blurring because every film this document change every document thanks for listening and thanks her old shares on social media and support on Patreon at all makes a really big difference in getting the part I am making a podcast marmite they accessible to join us next week the same service girl hates and teenage girls %HESITATION and found a man that kind of thing they're all gonna pool Siri into next week and I've got a different co pilot so I really hope you enjoy listening to Christy Smith with me next week until 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hello welcome to episode sixteen of audio visual cultures the podcast that explores the signed an image cultures and their many shapes sizes and forms this week under Sheila knight returned she are severe Coppola beings this time watching the plane rang from twenty thirteen many thanks to all our listeners first checking with us so far if this is your first time very warm welcome face go back through my PhD on posts and find some of the earlier episodes thanks so much told supporters to all passengers on peach tree on tax everybody who's been very kindly sharing the posts on Facebook and Twitter everything helps get the podcast art there it's very much appreciated we are find a bill on a cast if you use that I'll be back at the ends with a few more details do you enjoy the discussion on the billing rate we are not finished with her and probably never will be seven two year student who was working on a couple of project has nine submitted that I'm not was the reason why we started Facebook we set ourselves a challenge to watch all of her films and she's directed six feature films to date so this is the fifth of them that we've nice thing and we have just watched the bling ring we're watching these completely out of Concord because we don't care sampling twenty thirteen written directed and produced by six o'clock and based on a twenty ten Vanity Fair article I've found a group that apparently existed and was called the planning and did some of these things and that they broke into and robbed the houses of celebrities in our three get a couple of observations on the way to the beginning just I mean this is something in a drive towards because of the same obsession with individual characteristics that consumes these characters in this film the medicines running happen unless there seems to be bits of her sort of signature leaking out in this film well Sarah Flack is the editor again she said that it is most of Coppola's films there's plenty of close ups of durable goods months although as the film progresses they become more more frantic in that moment gets introduced into them and I think that that drifts that drives it away from the we just showing your insights into some aspects of girlhood but you get in films like the virgin suicides into these %HESITATION point of view shots of unhealthy obsessed characters so just a little moment can change the character of the blood spectator to shop Smith saying that because there at once getting a thrill out of doing this and they're also getting sloppy because they're moving towards getting caught so there's a stress that's building there's tension building three it's coming on their movements and they're trying to reach sales but they're not really children us tell if they say they are the story arcs pretty simple first part of the film two of them gradually gets into the habit of just breaking into people's houses initially for look and then they start stealing some small things and then they involve some of the friends of the because of twenty five of them by the last %HESITATION robberies I think it's probably within zero and one with the just taking a lot of stuff they've got into high end robberies of personal items that are priced at thousands of dollars after about five others they get cold because yeah and then fires on CCTV footage and several other places and some of them get sentenced some get sentence for that loss of use and it's for the best some of the most turned the fight go down into a small degree of celebrity again but by get the fuck it was nice that that is a modern mama essentially quite a fact teens to piece of narrative because is observed uncomfortably zero these people have enough characterization to make viewing this film into the usual are that person wants this that person needs to do the best to get what they want that person has not current to flow this person has that motivation at this particular moment this person that person there was just none of that three people just kind of dribbling along that that seems to reflect what actually happened it seems to reflect the actual real people when I'm this teaching and you cancel I had two raids less than zero Freddy stenosis first novel and it's not exact same vacuous miss an ally of young people I don't get a good picture of young people in LA and I would like to believe that they're not all like this it's the CM %HESITATION my dad works in the movie industry so the ferry they should take all this money that I have and I have to work for and I can take drugs all the time and try and wear whatever I want to let everyone be however I want to have our own taste although one of the characters based on real people is of Chinese descent it's a very white privileged worlds all of the wealthy people where targeting and I'm think targeting but also obsessed with their obsessions are targeted on these proposals and all interpretations affect its old white women we do a lot of little this house is full of the stuff that his girlfriend at the time as yet not that they're targeting he he's dating rather than ham specifically Parcells and they keep going back to her house you have to say these people are really gave him for allowing all of this narrative and said following their call uses their possessions to be recreated for the film was one point one so okay this is a bit as the improv the couplers sometimes goes in for because it's the season when they go to proselytize for the second time and then one of the many walk in wardrobes and it's the point until I've been there before but the remaining three from discovering everything unless lots of people talking small screen space not one of those involved it seems like at the very least if workshop to it because it did feel like okay we're just gonna set the camera here and just go play and all that stuff be the character and reacts to CV send after that you know and they're saying all these things that a teenage girl would probably say it's hard to find a way and with this if you just have I mean I have no interest in any of this world I can enjoy the process of watching the film but have no desire to see it again I wouldn't have watched it on the we've decided to do this we set ourselves a challenge and I think it probably mentioned before I was curious to see Emma Watson and something if I am not a Harry potter fan well I've never given Harry potter go because I just have never have enough interested in any of it to give it a go and I haven't seen anything else that she's been in the house and I actually watched any of her acting but I actually quite admire her as a person so I was quite curious to see some of her work it's interesting actually how the films marketed largely around her because I think she's the only person in the cast anyone's really heard off the other young people certainly they're not well known she's the only one who you speak on name actually she said that a lot less than I thought she was going to pay I actually was surprised a high level she was in it she does a sterling job at west coast USX yeah she gets the I don't know how to describe it there's something about high the job sorry for greatness for confident way of speaking but there's also a kind of guttural girl that's all I can think of to describe it back the way it works or you don't get is that so okay well you know I talked to a friend of theirs through they carry through the files yeah she does it I think many convincingly there was one point I think this is a bit of a couple of things where there seems to be a choice by the film's imprisoned writer to go I could tell you about the psychological landscape of these characters in one and two spots here and there it's known this kind of vacuous candy floss is going on with people's heads there's actually something going on here but what I will do instead is %HESITATION give you just a couple of hints about it and then later on I'm not sure some sort of really severe tragedy that happens the result I suppose I was primed for that by vision service I it's where you guys know I'm not gonna tell you what's going on in these girls heads you gonna get this little tiny glimpse of it the reason why I thought we were getting it was there was that scene with mark for short and black and white like it was footage from his own camera say some camera phone he was my only music with lyricist was one he was smoking a little tiny bone and also seem to have put lipstick on as well this is mark here at several points in the film so far has put on a night similar to if it means closing yes if you can hear us or we about to find out that for him it's actually quite a serious psychological phenomenon is going on here is using the opportunity to indulging cross dressing which is not a tool socially sanctioned by doing under the cover of being a voyeur unable for these women's voices ship of celebrities houses or something I think so so we can get this we can find a few things out about mark another month is the most heavily so because I was carrying out all that we got from him was simply he felt the loss of Rebecca who was the one with whom he originally set up the bling ring when she decided to just have her so it was all her she'd read it and she got him into doing it there was an original and it's quite an abusive friendship really does voice over from him from someone's is five point feature the first couple of times she saw him when you have an image connected without voice I thought maybe stalking to therapist but it turns out it's the journalists from Vanity Fair who wrote the article that the film is based on on the article is called the suspects for happy tone I did say it during the phone I think they were saying the buttons anyway %HESITATION that ended up I was talking to the journalists to put all the interviews together with them Joslin's Nancy Jo sales is Marcus Welby becomes kind of like a stylist and a dresser for the other girls he seems safe sexually around them so there's just slight coatings of queerness to whatever extent not to pay but that's not the point and it's not going into a there is a kind of queerness Terry the life that sides by these celebrities because it's all about the lack he talks as well but he's not attractive so we certainly have all these beautiful things and people like them it shows she has first day going to the school for dropouts they call it people are clicking dine on him and this is really pointed they given to you in quite long sequences and then it's just Rebecca Hey it's nice to him take notice of him gets him into doing all this stuff with her and it just gradually builds up and he's very quickly draws you into this friendship that just seem to spontaneously happen out of nothing she just seems to be looking for somebody to ride around and do this stuff with her so it's all up by him not being conventionally attractive and we don't know what he means by that like it Freeman said the masculine or feminine way we don't know but whatever it is it's not what everybody finds attractive and so he's adorning himself with attractive objects in close and of course the girls she reassess status because this is a world where the deck is everything and so there is a kind of queerness to you I mean almost a point of dry keep with the likes of Paris Hilton or and see you know how and where they're dressing up in a certain way to be a perfect %HESITATION and then like it's over from a nice tip so far to the point where it's too exaggerated to the radio and feels like that's what I want to capture I mean that hello Watson character Nikki she's constantly preening herself for very good but being conscious better lips constantly she's constantly club banging craning her lips fixing or lipstick or gloss there's a lot of faith acting going on really so is acting room who five yeah definitely I wasn't going to make you she's constantly asking other people for feedback on how she looks yeah number one show some of them for advice about what to wear when she's anxious there it is they all have a performance to carry out no not at all times but at key moments and that that performance is a real conscious effort is very distinctive from how they might just carry themselves if on observe that's a constant impressions from games I suppose with that means therefore is the Xfinity center C. recognized by this film is a performance gender in general is implicitly recognized as the phones to something that's available to mark as much as to any other character in the film some just doesn't go anywhere with any of these potential common trees it does cost a couple of things just going I'm just going to tell you about this thing that happens in this fictional space as if it really happens and that maybe that is the right somehow from the fact that there was a real event this is based on of course we don't creatively this haunted from those events I had a quick click on the wikipedia page up by the actual great data the film is of course a compression of everything because they seem to have picked up a lot more homes than the film can cover and the films in the eighty seventh minute song so it's quite a compact found but I actually in one sense I think you mentioned earlier he said this is an article length %HESITATION considers an expansion of an article but it's also the compassion of about eight nine ten months where so the fence the events are so straightforward and simple vacuous really that there's not a lot to tell the firm justice convey that that this group just started safety and really quite easy entry they weren't even breaking and entering a lot of the time they were just letting themselves and the because these people had been syphac less about their own security there is a measure of these celebrities %HESITATION phone too complacent these services are far too rich going on for from the heavily inducted its main characters as vacuous and putting all our efforts ingenuity into one of just seventy six and do something illegal for one of those all of that it also indicts the seventy six houses that breaking into the shoe room in Paris Hilton's house for example Welling on just how sharing any festive and then there's like finding another room inside another room and rooms and they just keep them all wow who has also written the show many stuff yeah they keep commenting on how much stuff para Filton alone because it just keeps repeating itself even as chase it was a whole spectrum of color there they seem to have been color coded there was a whole area for just all the sheets of paying can't seem like she had one pair of shoes for every day of her excessive service so many pairs of shoes and of course a couple life time into buying one pair of shoes the lifetime you're about to start I was gonna say you know I okay sorry %HESITATION it's a podcasting but also the problem they encounter is that they all want to try on the shoes but they find their way too big for any of their fate and so mark Morrison thank fed him and so maybe there's an something impressive Arab right Paris Hilton yeah they do point out that while she's got big feet she must be pretty game to know that all this is happening I mean it's just more publicity and I would imagine she would not care about what kind of publicity she was getting as long as something less interested in anything to do with her it's banking on not the film's banking on that quite a bit the scene was the driving away from her so in this house and it's Chloe use of the way only seems to be one %HESITATION alright consists of five main characters yeah and she seems to be the most privileged on the main there's a huge amount of privilege monks a script but that claims to seek out of her in her home and the home is almost as lavish as a lot of the celebrity himself making enterprise silly thing about it is it's just rich people making stuff from IBM when they donate donate today call the main stick at a lot of this stuff so the scene on foot if broken process us for the second time thinking of driving away in everyone's drunk and clothes driving an impressionist okay she had a drink too but Bob she's driving because she's had the least think of all of them but now she's just rhetoric and then there's this moment of Sunday this lights off to her left through the side window and suddenly because they keep singing to each other and she turns around and this is that she's going through a red light and something goes straight into her about points all right that's gonna be the kind of awakening moment because the characters are going to go why don't we reveal the best stuff it but actually she's not artists she gets arrested she gets from her office she gets released and there's no indication of consequences there's a slight reference to community service I think she talks about picking up garbage she can't drive for awhile that's about it the implicit message of firmness first certain class of people it's basically impunity but then when they finally get sentenced in this is probably part of the film's contrast for for burglaries what about nine years and two of them got one in one day to reach even one year for one burglary is a lot of time to spend in prison for breaking into someone's house that was already open yet but they stole something like upwards of three million dollars worth of stuff sorted through pay huge amounts of money for the No the main character is highly criticized by this from I don't know I mean I don't know if the firm has systems I think it just shows and this is where you make your minds up I think it just shows you story I don't feel like it judges anybody did was took the place to be crappy hundred so may I suppose there's also an effort here together what I'm going to simply do you one of these crime narratives where is waiting for the point with the criminals get their comeuppance at the hands of moral righteousness the police are brash brutal that dismisses charges kids after all I mean they're teenagers they're still skill H. they must be what sixteen seventeen this is the constant problem with Hollywood films in hiring people in their twenty S. these people close to home with films anyway which is yes please awesome money sixteen the place sixty nine is the actor's twenty four they are minors aren't they pointed late when necky Emma Watson's characters man arrested she keeps repeating Nick I wanna talk to my mom you need to let me talk to her you're hurting me you don't need to hurt me and I didn't feel sorry for her or anything but I did think this is for really big fella and she's a tiny Recaro he really does need to be passionate about it I thought she will just go to the car and it's a reasonable request that this child is being arrested and traceability won't speak to her mother this is one thing tends to be a bit of a shock to people when they look it up because it's fine to have sex for money sixteen drinking you need to wait for that I'm driving it towards the back but in the states is still around so California for example age of consent for sex eighteen alcohol twenty one although interesting some clothes for the age of consent thing for sex is that if you're married to the person you can have sex and that's why we keep having all these child marriages sixteen driving this first thing you can do to get to be able to drive under eighteen but actually in California you have to be eighteen on right to apply for driver's license without first getting a learner's permit they teach Irish adults go to million pieces from a motor vehicles in the U. S. as in California sixteen you are eligible for provisional driver's license if you complete driver's education if you don't do that if you something off to get a provisional permit and if you're eighteen you can get a license without considering the center probably just drive them because they come drive so they take cars and then transition them enough time it comes across it is a bit shocking how blacks people in the states can be about security I suppose the fact that they select is ever have reason to be a lot more careful about security been some people who have nothing but seems to be an implicit criticism of the celebrities some of them got some security but some have enough to stop people breaking into houses maybe there is an assumption that they don't need it I mean who could possibly steal from them and they've got such an access of stuff but they really notice that much is missing these kids could have really been getting away about for years if they just taken up really so they they actually could have just taken the odd thing here and there for years nobody would have known did you point out when these some of the eighth time that they got a person's house one of the characters does observe that it comes down to sing but she hasn't noticed but she just has so much stuff and she can buy new stuff FC current find something that's when they take things like the photographs of the bat I thought she's clearly picked those in a private place the firm does not make you privy to the contents of the photos other than some sort of for market by I think it was your skin so I think it was probably part of the personal beauty regime something like that because they said something like it's really cared she's just so much problems %HESITATION something understand because obviously your skin doesn't not trade it the way it looks she's doing a lot of stuff to make it look like that and so those are probably images of the real power rests so those are very personal things that was the only time when I felt any kind of sympathy or discomfort on behalf of anybody out there right so really just did not care and I felt sorry for them okay and honestly it was a person there but not caring it was on her cell phone okay there was a Megan fox knows Megan fox news Paris Hilton then they should go there on their own to them mark and spectacular no one anything well you know if you're not even gonna lock your door for your car but then that's victim blaming and that's not right just because these people are filthy rich just in Maine that's right that their stuff is stolen they forked to too great to get I mean much in front of the class I start to fail and adequate and I feel like I should make a bit more effort on my appearance and I realize how much work they actually paid and said looking like that and it looks so effortless and screen but actually this is ours if painful wax saying in all kinds of Hiram may fill and sell cars spends on all the many things you need to do with your hair and the layering system make up the styling of the clothes and everything this is charged on March tenth our shift work and research actually it's actually incredibly hard work select that effortlessly kids there is a kind of neighbor it's a neighbor that I think most of us would probably fail as many not contributing anything to society and anyway other than next Friday if there is an implicit message in there about the importance of recognizing later even when this comes to be devalued it was lost amongst the noise off on the celebrities factors and self obsessed I mean there's a lot of dwelling on just how many pictures of herself film has in the house and again she's really KM if she's allowed a lot if the amazing except her actual license she just let everybody and there's one tiny short where there's a glimpse of what looked like a mountain bike helmets right right in a house like this some part of her life when she successor icing up she goes okay belts and business it might be a reference to something that may have been an image in the past about the reference okay I'm just guessing but homeostasis money usually miss out when it comes to access right now all right so a couple of couple isms she's quite happy with having not much known Dodgers in music and then when the numbers music does appear it's abrupt and it's loud yeah it's piercing times confirms of turning the volume up because the council remarks during teacher for that their voices were drowned out by digested music circuit %HESITATION turned up and then some of those those of silence and then the Brookley broken by renowned pacing non digesting music and sometimes dial so this brother stark contrasts in use of sound and civic I was fine with just having no known digestive music from big sways of time just require came with uncertainty the first sequence that we see which is the first break ins eclipse that we see which is the first break in happens but it's just the from beginning media rest when they open the door listening very loud wailing sound and it could be the sound of a siren and only about ten seconds later he's become clear that it's the beginning of a long time yeah use of music and the music actually is quite alarm like signs like a car alarm going off because the whole point is no one has any of these yeah tickets are it was surprising that there were no alarms see remarks it right there's no alarms in the trying the car doors and there's so many of the card which is open and their purses with money in them right inside on the issue of whether the film is steaming people to be culpable for best second stolen if they leave it and then unlock St I think it's that everyone in this area okay so rich that they don't even need to think if I the idea that somebody might steal something from them just got money because they've all just cost so much the firm was saying these people accountable for their losses the film would have %HESITATION two main characters be a bit more Robin Hood they're stating very much for themselves for their own image it doesn't really talk about it but it shows a lot of faith spec posting they were busy broadcasting on Facebook walk every day they're showing off all the designer gear that they being stating and they were talking about it at the party so we're going to be enough for a lot of the evidence comes from for the trials the people he they think are their friends shop them pretty quickly when they shop each other it seems they're interviewed separately there's the whole thing with her back at running off to Vegas and ditching alluded first off with mark before she goes and he's totally unaware that she's up to something their relationship starts to break down and I think when therapy Megan fox's place he thinks he hears somebody outside and he's one of the ladies and she says to him develop patch twice before she was a psychologist to lighted sign and then she's actually trying to get angry with him for being a bit sensible thoughts when they're on the way back and the two of them are alone in the car and he asks her if I ever make it well you wrote me and she said no I would never do anything like that T. A. but of course it's the foreshadowing that she is going to try to drop and then I suppose if there's been any main character who is relatively blameless it's mark because he's pretty quickly swept up in this interesting as the new kid at school who does not mean friends and so that's where you almost instantly becomes the person just does whatever back once interest on the first day she takes her trying the doors of cons receive news they pick up this way before some of the temporal uncertainty that we have because we have first seen seems to be something like this third break and then we get a bit of footage if he did come back to that one actually it's the one where they take the picture if that Paris Hilton again this time note to somebody else I did forward %HESITATION which one is which lost track so you have to start with which is just one of the break ins which isn't the first breaking I had a bit of footage of some of them talking to the press after they've been tried or the stuff they've been charged and then we get some footage of the actual beginning of the story Adam this quite a lot of flashing forward to more of their interviews with the press with I feel like we saw you carry into with mark I think you're actually aligned with him a lot of the time and you're almost in a bit of a similar way to the virgin suicides you're actually learning more about the girls to the boy character to an extent not to the extent of the virgin suicides spa it's definitely there or for a couple of being served into depicting the details of girl hit the enter these films the fictional girls are only available to the viewer as people who eighteen point seven speaking American actor has a vague idea possibly anyway you could pay that with Marie Antoinette as well because this is somebody whose life is set out for her and a very patriarchal order of things she has a particular function and I have to be the wife to the to from and to provide an heir to the throne you're aligned with her about her life's already been dictated on because to historical narrative from the already knew the ending it's already satellite it's already signed up for you so just ten extent I would encourage her and there as well and she is styled by Amazon you've got these little threats that are putting together and I think actually it's maybe and stand to look at the arc and where was the need to actually go back to the chronology of the phones because with the virgin suicides and that's your first feature seeing how this group of girls young women live through the eyes of guys trying to piece it together it comes sort of full circle wherein the beguiled it's actually a re hearing every taking of an awful lot of previous film that were written from the man's point of view you all of this home the social tiny community of this group of women and girls tennis because together she turns out a reminder that from their point of view there's a kind of a turning its initial sort of brute Tatian happening if there's one very unifying theme it's female characters who remain at least partially a mystery to the employee yeah sometimes via a surrogate observing male character about whom you plug your war markets the most trying dudes of them his motivation or lack of motivation how he got sucked up and it is clearer and he seems to be a bit more honest to R. as Nikki van a lot some character it's very clear from the very start with her she's planned this celebrity game and she's playing the innocence to her mother to the journalists but there are revealed and already she says things and how she's saying she gets the last word excel %HESITATION and it's she turns directly to the camera the mother this interview and starts to promote herself very plain plate and I'm guessing that that tree so that person actually delta her deception is very clear we've also got some really clear cash reserve location and this phone because these girls homes and monsters world these repressive environments where they have no relationship with their parents the reason I'm parents breezing and points to get angry at the kids or coming in at any point to try and establish a relationship that is the fact that we don't have power yeah so Nikki again and her stepsister he's part of the gang is well under younger sister he gets embroiled in a tiny bit their homes schools by quite an overbearing read the vacuous Mother Earth and I've seen them she thanks bye and it's these teachings that are kind of along religious lines but it doesn't even seem to be religious or shifts very vague idea of spirituality and they just sat on the sofa eating snacks for the mother talks nonsense on them and get them to try and point out you think K. two characteristics of Angelina Jolie and things like that I'm just reading about what the secret is because that's the name of the spiritual practice that others into these very positive energies can help change the world kind of self help stuff I don't think I'm schooling is going to ever appear in the film as something that's a good thing to do to get kids because I was going to Germany so she taught in the states with parents who don't want their kids to learn facts and instead would rather have to interchange but I just lay over the cross that's by no means %HESITATION I'm schooling no it's it's a recent times with kids yes she she could try eight negatively and the loose waste in films it's kind of a negligent parenting three being overbearing and following this dog that rather than getting to know the girls and what their needs might pay and not giving them any real direction in life the thing that comes and gives a direction that is the celebrity culture the way they learn first laptop and something that when you're home life is so horrific he does %HESITATION the firm is going if you could home school your kids probably enough to teach them content they might not ten feet away so we got four cats agrees by my reckoning of location in this well maybe five the hands of these five kids aren't just unpleasant places and yet are practically mountains as far as most of us are concerned then there's the school which has nothing for them that's very good %HESITATION attention paid to that thing at school is just where they initially made contact with each other then there's the beach there's just a little bit of them being on the page but that's just a place they can go to have a talk and smoke and then then this club that they gives you what is your fantastic amount of drinking and that seems to be a place of liberation there's a lot of nondescript they take some drugs and do some drinking places ring okay where they're doing a lot happens in a club and then the most exhilarating locations of the celebrity houses so there's a spectrum of locations that are alien to them and that running away to locations that are really comforting to the homes of the more Asian locations on the comforting locations the card whether intensify a lot of the time and this is still kids playing out I suppose it's the clever go to is basically can be completely isolated from family and from school from terrorism actually are yeah it's liberty sport the guy he seems to work there be a manager there it's hard to tell what he is but mark sells off some of the stolen relaxes to him and things he seems to facilitate them but he seems to have something going on with Chloe phase one of the men five but she's quite peripheral even to that grape and there's times when she won't go to the houses with them because she's saying now we need to tell even just like when the first video breaks from %HESITATION Audrina somebody sorry they have no concept this person could pay but they're caught on video and not the sequence of them and it's just to market growth back K. going to not one but that was really fascinating because that's the only time when you don't go into the heist with them fear held NFL with an extreme long shot but it's on a reduced those same men watching the highs from a distance the high seas basically transparent it's just glass fronted everything you can see everything that day it's sort of like it also I sent away when they light up for M. C. can see them from matching Orion's but it's all in one take so you can see everything they do they do really quickly they're there for a few minutes and cancer it pretty self the lady on the road again but it's there's footage from that one so we're not in there with them at the time but B. C. and site it says CCTV footage that shown on its broadcast unless one remarks faces captured very clearly and then I talked to that breaks away saying we should just calm down and leave it for a bit and she will go with them but the two of them had off somewhere else and take the other chair with them I think we got a mega boxes or somebody else is really very since the phone was just how emotionally mature some of the characters are because some of them seem to understand that they're breaking into striptease houses in the Senate agree of danger to it even though these celebrities are not being harmed by the break ins and they're always doing it when the van and when they're off making money some kind of decision to be where the scent of danger the other characters don't seem to be a tool aware of the possibility of danger so what is it with Sam she gets a gun at one point and she's either drunk or high she's waiting around like yeah of course the company real over there it's very clearly radiology nurses frankly really seems to care about this is what we do nothing we did was remove calls altogether the extremely clear message that we will tend to gravitate towards in films wasn't very nice one he's not a bad thing because this seems to be a bit of a coupler tendency is just %HESITATION someone that still have it you have to kind of check the habit there's a single message investments perfect five six over exactly happened in that but I think if there's one it's that when people are put in positions where they are told to have control over their own lives but damn the case that %HESITATION treated only as consumers they will %HESITATION consciously become aware that they have no control over their own lives and tried desperately to assert that control elsewhere in the lines the friendliness with which they start breaking these houses will start just entering these houses would open doors that seems to indicate an attempt to assert control where these characters basically investor lives have none the reason that it was unclear if you haven't noticed the stuff about the psychology of Rebecca she seems to have those lines is a hundred percent sure what the nation and all of them just breaking into houses and being a bit curious turns out to be had we coming towards the option to get into men's lounge house and just being placed in our hands space for the %HESITATION back bring the same errors are trying to perfect even that just has an obsession here with a specific person and that's very different from this sticking it to the man breaking and rummaging of anything so far even that gets the tiniest little push but maybe this when we get to watch someone which is the last of these couple films the record today maybe that will be so comfortable with that that we just got %HESITATION yeah because it's got only wanted to fake suggestions of a main message and that's what it is I was just thinking about a Monday and valiant things I was just wondering about what kind of budget this so much because it's so lavish I mean it's very like Marie Antoinette and not it's a really lavish very efficiently they say %HESITATION just just so much means a fan because there's so much and he's always says according to him I am debate the budget was estimated to be around eight million dollars which is not very much money so I'm wondering if they pull the favors of Asia she's chief and meditations and stuff is it one of those where it's a bit like Sally potter's Orlando where there's a very small production budget but they've used most of that on the setting and where her stay actors really really hard and it sounds so that they go in and they have very few takes with everything and they actually make phone ready quickly some wondering if maybe it's something along those lines because it's just such a lavish looking phone maybe they faro focus of stuff there's a huge amount of product placement as well because you've got I think they lack access for shift all the designer brands they're saying the names of everything when they're showing off the clothes and shoes the wall shares all of the fake brand names maybe there's lots of product placement going on here as well the firm over which we have pointed back to the future there is a link is a notable little event in movie history because it's one of those movies where it was done with a product placement strategy and there was elements in the film why it is clear it's a product placement in the center he got money for product placement but as much as an ounce is in lots of entries that that was the last film which she did put a placement because the night merry had with California right that trying to advertise some raisins became really difficult given that race and stuff for the car for a while I'm decision they often came up with was not possible to the California raisins companies at least gave the money back and reason I consider stupid headache I don't do that anymore which is ironic given that this is a director who went on to direct cost away when would FedEx appears about thousand time anyway so I tend to associate product placement something which is quite old something quite unusual now but of course it's not because they're all over the place but it's so ubiquitous it's invisible it's the essence of bone movies for stars is that feels kind of gross to watch a movie yeah the oldest profession so yeah it would surprise me if even if a couple was doing the same thing and depending on where I'm from port placement that kind of stuff maybe and then and fevers and may be asking a celebrity sick and we're making this movie very interesting because it's even product placement for celebrities they're using that particular people's names you know they're using function initially Parcells and Megan fox then say no %HESITATION this person for doing that Hey I've never heard of in my life before we're not to blame difficult a kind of currency what those names from the wikipedia page on the actual gang membership something like over fifty people who were targeted this is only a handful of them in Paris Hilton was the most prolific one and then zero high and it seems to me they took the most monetary value from her but there were loads of other ones and the chain because this is something it felt about the belts over time they've targeted a lot of the people here part of that culture it seems if they mostly women and mostly white women Hey are like Paris Hilton are famous for no particular reason the famous just because they happen to be wealthy and they can afford to do lots of silly shows and stuff they have enough wealth to generate their own celebrity you don't hear very much of parcels anymore but then I haven't the TV for a long time so maybe that's why we're certainly very impressive Kirsten Dunst was difficult to go and we just make a quick comment on my phone I know K. sites out there she is she is actually in this and then she never came back again and I thought maybe it's just me looked a bit like Kirsten Dunst but it was her yeah yeah this may be covering that was a generation of faxes the I used for my girls and then %HESITATION goes anymore so now he's the new generation of actors and music from my girls handing over of mental but I suppose be dissimilar significant about two second cameo in which customs doesn't say anything if you're handsome man and that you don't know if she was Arabs or south or it could be something happened magic going on like was she there as Kirsten Dunst happening to be in this club or was she another part of the sat in my section was that she was there is constant and yeah she is a mess transaction where she's very much an adult at this point because the next phone the company makes its but goggles three four years later there are gaps between you because it's more difficult for women even if you have her name to get financed I'm surprised at how low the book to live system that says to me that she's made this really economically Baker center there the cast is very %HESITATION known Emma Watson is the only name I would say a star studded event what's taking into account the size of the roll number line she has relative to other girls in this film would be fascinating does seem to be the phones selling point as far as storms consortium if there is one tool it takes a long time for her character to really have any problems I thought I was surprised I thought because I thought she was going to beat me and Carl anything then that DVD cover here the image from Monday five December straighten their stuff down the streets and she said the meadow she central to it whereas and we're back here he used to her rights and the image and Marcus here laughs they're the man today and they're the ones you with most of the time that images almost certainly stays together as a recreation of fat short with the walking down the street because it seems is to doctor shot as the wrong shape we're in the homestretch and we have won most of the film torture before we're up to speed and she does have this habit of making something like one film every four years so our lifelong complete commit one can see not much of a yeah I was wondering about the celebrities and something that it's more of a specific a curiosity about film culture and this big questions that the film came to throw stuff because there's so much intimate detail on separate days to what extent is that radio to what extent is that a recreation of their actual real homes and possessions is there a kind of embellishment of even Paris Hilton as she actually put more modest relatively than a simple item to what extent if if %HESITATION I re invasion of the privacy of these people well I suppose there's the issue of if someone says can we come from inside your house and you say yes these are people who have largely as far as I'm aware of being found on like crepes for MTV and stuff any way they're used to having cameras in every fighting there they have camera ready homes is it more of an invasion or is it just more publicity for these existing celebrities does it buy into rather than just rocked the publicity machine I am deeply through your page that was Paris Hilton house Kirsten Dunst cameo was nonpartisan script it was a corporation the firm after Dunn's visits of a couple and the real life can't and he's based on does have its reality TV show and it was Harrison V. does cinematographer who died string prescription who persuaded coupler to keep in that very slow zoom in shot of memories the thing that I thought was really nice at this make you may think the most obvious reminder I was getting most Michael snow's wavelength that really slow steady seven you almost imperceptible I'm guessing he was wanting to maybe do something for himself to something very %HESITATION artistry it was notable because of the sort of place because a lot of the camerawork place very hand helds very end with them hello time it's very had tightened its fire had tight just running with them in the initial sequence or it's just setting it back in a corner and it's watching them all day they're saying it's in the car with them it's very stuck with them and that some of the only times and it's always decide what to trade and then it's just watching from afar it actually kind of exposes how you physically are hello the robberies are taking place at night it's making me think of hiding in broad daylight because they're so visible with two of the day but everybody so wrapped up in themselves in their own self image they're not seeing what's going on around them and not saying that this book to kids is getting away with state and all that stuff the TV feed looking at themselves for being elsewhere making an image of themselves somewhere else to a notice that these kids are making a mockery out of them if the great work also so fact yes you think they're actually kind of revolutionaries they're actually quite subversive in what they were doing but they're just no I'm entitled to this I'm taking it it seems to be that comes across to me %HESITATION around the chain of islands in that particular region compost host policy every now and then of them enjoying the Welland spoils of the raids have been very Asians burglarizing I love that time is not voting not very good all right there's a work that in %HESITATION American standard English which I just can't help but silently correct another American music is obligated every time I hear United States can say that I'm obligated to do something or some of the biggest is the center I'm just calling to price yeah survivalists and %HESITATION right so the center supervisor but a lot of contemporary determinate sentences two thousand eight fish music both died at the convention and tourism stuff no one was hurt and that was from particularly gorgeous similar points where it's going it's quite nice the sense of claustrophobia because we have a camera and a camera moving backwards is characters walks recorders okay lovely stuff and stuff those ones are right for our schools and it was the one where it marks coming out of school I think it's the day off to his first record comes out of school and everything's out of focus and he just slowly I think it's farmers few slammer shots in the film he slowly walks up to the point when he's in focus and then notices are enough screen space heaters hello hi I love that I love sharks where it begins out of focus and a character has to come to the camera the camera is not going to lack focus to bring character to suffer because not it's a kind of well to to change my purpose in order to make you properly visible but you can catch me that's the same kind of restraint that we get in that very long very slow zoom in on that old house charm which is incorrect stark contrast to a lot of things rather frantic can remove them to get up in the face in the future right where it does seem to be really intensely subjective thinking if update and maintains and all the other from so far there's been quite a lot going on my sexuality and the burgeoning sexuality of young women and there's very that lives out here I think Sam has a boyfriend and he's advocated enough with the stuff as well but that's just she just happens Abbas boyfriend and she goes to his place there's nothing really about sexuality is a driving force in number anything the way it was and the virgin suicides on the way I really really isn't the guy owes that's bursting at the seams of the heist nearly members sounds but here it's this other kind of desire it's this desire to possess to own this program shops where the characters are doing self fees and so can really cut close up to each other and mark has constantly has lots of girls is an age press stop yeah and there's nothing there's nothing Intel here like I said earlier he say if sexually they don't he doesn't seem to see them as sexual objects they don't seem to see him as a sexual object he's one of them even that Nikki is in his bedroom alone with him and his mother comes sick at his attention %HESITATION no it's the video breaks and they react very lightly and so the parents are coming to check that there okay and stuff and there's nothing really sad about him being %HESITATION but this girl is ran as she CF to get dressed and undressed in front of him he's kind of coded as clear or at least sexually safe around them there's nothing really going on with them the only moment where there's a bit of tension physically is actually when it tipped over into violence when someone has a gun and he's really trying not to get shot and knocking her hand away and is trying to grab her hand to get it off her and she's saying no to touch me you know you don't get to grab me and touched me in things so there's just grapple with consents going on between them because she doesn't want him touching her he doesn't want to get shots and that's you know that they're going to be fine but there's still a lot of tension because guns are dangerous and they're such normal life things in the states which is very alien to us here the gun death figures in US substantial proportion of numbers just come from guns in a cap for him defense and found by kids and makes use for the one point we have some sort of consent tussle it's in a position where the woman he's insisting that she does not consent to the touch has a gun in her hand and keep pointing it at the very reason why the guys touching hers because he wants us to know twenty got it and it's fantastic little bit of kind of a combination of reversal of normal settings about consent and estates and low fat as well because in the next scene she has taken that gun to her boyfriend status and he's knocking it away and it goes off and then made it implies that they have sacks and they don't seem as harsh that a gun just went off maybe set off alarms it's got dogs barking people are worried and they're just scared and dying to see it again it reminded me of less than zero or you've just got this group of people he earned all ours to buy anything in the world effort but I something masses their hair that's the worst possible thing it is important that the average sensing for these people is so into a combination of the following server to coach and working on or the parents that they have no time left for the round of the users and that's what the only situation in which that might be changed as of something rather scary happens with a gun and that will have temporary unleashes the video and then we finally got one morning the only thing the only way that Americans can get aroused is three connectivity either way a bit of an indictment of consciousness of the living legend but I suppose it's technically it's Calabasas right and California where they actually live but a lot of the houses they go to right now they are gonna get run well I think that would be for that and at some point we will do a summer and quit looking for tonight because you've got the DVD and Stephen door this and that and I quite like him actually interestingly one other thing on the front which says empire gave it four stars and that's often you got covers a DVD splurged with this magazine get five stars this website can phone us those who have theirs and by gave no memory of this ever coming right it must have got much or at least all of the rest of their homes I had heard of I nearby I hadn't necessarily seen them also translation was the only one I had seen before but I had heard of all the others and no concept effective remember be interviewed you don't remember finance and then I knew nothing at all okay existence of some more this is what we're at is it is a little bit of watching stuff we would not ordinarily workshops including stuff we don't even know about these better see here again for the next couple thanks again for listening and again 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welcome to episode seven of audio visual cultures I'm the host and creator all up there thanks to my former students Christy Smith for listening and for getting in touch with website recommendations in response to the discussion of color palettes and lost in translation a few weeks back these are given in the episode tax if you'd like to pursue this kind of analytical approach further if you'd like to share information and be part of that discussion or would like to be involved and recording an episode email audio visual cultures and that's all one word all lower case audio visual cultures at G. email dot com this week I continue to post screening discussions of Sofia Coppola's films with Angie shields and this time we're looking at Mariane twin that enjoy the discussion and I'll be back with more information at the end the internet because two years thing to and that I thought it was gonna be this raucous punk rock mashup culture canis may say it was actually pretty tame maybe we should have seen it from the curve continue to think it could be a real my ship public health is a business folks interested balance it did have some raucous moments some pop some mash up moments but I think as much ships go I'll have to turn to trump's up to eleven thirty three I think perhaps the moment with the converse all stars is today looked away for a second and messed up I was it was illuminating moment I need to look for it because I'd Google that Paul had yeah but %HESITATION one show generalizations about two seconds now he's a year student had female chief Paula thirteen games to play with it and I felt because she got homers from mom no shown to my students who remain remain anonymous she kids since the academic deans have often so yes I mean drinking game which was down one string every time I would recommend that she did specify that it would be per second that one of the gentlemen who can afford that fifteen not very poor persons template I think it's very pleasurable to watch yeah I enjoy the experience of watching it although I did feel like we tried to %HESITATION but a lot of it was just pretty images put together and then very mild very tiny so we'll head set yes the country's already having a fun time before we dive into this let's inform our audience who haven't worked out yet what we just so yeah right to the place room and a based on what and released in black this is the fourth and R. fifty a couple of runs thank god for the good parts for other than one can go for them speak up list since she has directed ME six commercial feature films so in two thousand six based on the biography by Antonia Fraser and seemingly what with it having this rather episodic structure that goes we're gonna talk about a little bit that happened in her life and then we can skip Ford's two years and tell you about it something else that happened in her life and we're going to do you can you can write to and I'm gonna let my car to go off to two minutes based on my business similarly quite closely adopting a tiny phrase broke free which I have read and presumably you have known I think the extent of my knowledge on the run up to the French Revolution as the carry on films and my historical knowledge is barely back yeah and I agree Fred a PhD a few years ago that was set by visual culture her mind the French Revolution so they act Changs and the satirical drawings and things that were being printed as fine art to law firm but %HESITATION of course entirely forgotten a post good content that we have a final hearing so hence the crackling and popping is even though it's the second day of spring still could you tell me what folk opera films in about that many weeks patents are of course a merging with questions starts now they were already emerging ones seem to have a pretty day he also missed over several points going whose daughter is this I'm I just remember in Kubrick's films but thinking that Francis Ford Coppola's films and that's why this is all quite familiar stuff from the correct phones I've seen because I actually went right by keeping them trapped by a couple of nights no that's just a couple of it he says that one of her influences is Stanley Kubrick's I've lots of still sharks in this looks of central central position in the middle of the frame and lots of shops where the vanishing point of perspective is visible within the frames but kept the cats and I find that %HESITATION they're so slow Dalian knife men's section %HESITATION fairness N. as well that can't happen and all the way through my internet and I kept thinking of a clockwork orange thing that when it was going in the woods it was almost always does and when it was gone backwards more from the noise in the front we can see it costs a lot of difficulties films is amazing the cameras as well quite some distance away from her main characters when I was coming distance that's relatively known into but but then at certain moments in this particular film there was some quite serious intimacy putting that one moment where Kristen Dunst's Marie Antoinette breaks down under the pressure of having not being pregnant which Neeson discussing kind of not sure of the camera is right up no face in this kind of anxiety which for a film school that comes with that kind of cinematography when I was that close up to and it's handled take thankless that'll character on the cameras moving a bit and the council's meeting about why the camera and the camera operator become a bit of a houses to the light that's being Chatham's account performance because they get that camera close up enough and it was started cost quite conspicuous shadow one is for me I'm I'm a couple of points and mystery shops there's another part of couples but overall look it's fine to make one's viewer at least dimly aware that there is a camera that's doing the work of getting this set of images to use on the very first shot the entire film is what we might call an emblematic short it's just our main character in relatively abstract environment not doing much then just a sample of what's to come and I'm not sure she looks straight at the camera I'm gonna work on antibiotic shots and early cinema and that was the main thing about those emblematic Schultz was that the character would look straight at the camp so an Englishman of the existence of the camera then zooms of course roles are quiet and technology resident activity whenever these things occurred there was an invoking of that being a camera given my system storage space well the report said I find quite documentary like and not reflexivity with the camera particularly for me when my hands when I was in the garden with her daughter he's a toddler at the time I felt very naturalistic it felt like I was watching Kirsten Dunst with this little girl and Kirsten Dunst is speaking English and physical to your three year old child was speaking friends %HESITATION and was absolutely beautiful and it felt very natural it was a really lovely tender moments between these two girls women I thought moment I felt like it was like observational documentary almost not part where everybody's gossiping about her you keep hearing this weathering on the sign track but you're not saying he's connected to the voice says she's having to rush past always she's upset because Louise brokers wife has just given birth that's why she's upset and she runs off this is someone he is not permitted any purpose say those mobile moments when Marie Antoinette and several of her friends and her daughter to raise when they're collecting eggs that I mean on mon cross there and of course looks like a small from regular and structured farm workers laborers and it's seemingly constructed specifically for her in gardens of the palace of Versailles there's one few moments when the lighting was so low key as to let some back to the shop maybe pick the dog and the includes a bit when they were going through that passageway made out of hedges as well that moment it did seem to get coins documentary this is Pacific couple who tends not to let her come remove much and she was letting it move quite a lot and next year when there was a party going on her cheating a bunch of teen or young adult mates with whom she could party seem to be quite honest successful restaurant we must discuss that this is a film which one it ends on the consequences of her lifestyle does two things in addition the first is not showing in any of the poverty of the French people until something like five minutes before the film thank you for your service see any property just say a generic cried with benchmarks even when we get to see any place on the mountains there is some open world but the cameras and with them that sounds house comments and with the crowd looking up at her but you just said the account is made but the whole way through loss and transition your marketing hype and that'll the camera stage does so it depends on the film and its amazement as stated to the character or characters again following because of its a lot of stillness and the virgin suicides because this was a by teenage girls lying around and being high spines this time this is someone who types find out she needs release and she's trying to do things and she's active in some ways and she's prevented from being active in other ways there's a flash duration probably I think in the comments so there this free roving camera but yet it still tester to something they're still the viewpoint that its tether tape so I find it very restless camera because she is restless Charlotte and lost in translation it's a bit floaty and wondering but not really that energetic so there's lots of gender movements timing the guy %HESITATION social lot of stillness and very precise restrained movement because of what's going on and not situation so it's tailored to I would say to the what's happening in Haiti are you following through this from exit our main protagonist to somebody who does get the opportunity to polity and that pointing is denoted by the film is being one way which one can break count of the constraints which tend to be erected around women in line with that quite a high degree of confirmation and also quite a celebrated messiness of camera movement because we're not talking here about steadicam shots for orchestrated Dolly shots for really significant gorgeous scenic crane shots we're talking about actual hand held camera amongst party guests even notice and then the carriages this while while this space is so small it's impractical to do anything but have that operator in my son's house device %HESITATION so you've got that constraint of the carriage the small space often she's free and looking out the window off J. dreaming in your head somewhere she's got very active imagination enough to convey through the way it's looking at the window and staring at things the wandering off the camera its its VSF transition it's a chance at a recent Cheech and being in the car is being taken from place to another when she is seen on the coverage it's not quite fake moments of our life she also for counter who is for love this film constrained within Vesci has quite a few moments in which she's not the opera for example seems to be one of them a mix of liberation and as far as the ending of that liberation being symbolized by that most visits the Oprah where no one what else but a payload hello I'm with her that symbolizes the Indian herb licensed to get out of it now it must acknowledge that so far we have a lot of female characters whose psyche we've only had scraps of information about what is the next one we have actually seen an intensely subjective scene because we sold a daydream of Marie Antoinette definite date chamber also sexual fun to say yeah it's that particular type of dating as far as like going and changing because of course students recommendations at the moment and this cost is not quite one yet as to what counts as a daydream so this is when she thinks of count says an SMSF pre fifty shades the %HESITATION Jamie Dornan and he doesn't have very many lines but he delivers them with his own accent which is lovely in what may very well have been the beginning of a process which made him get the ball rolling fifty shades sex was quite taken complained about it of course I know him best from the fall where he's fearless but yeah pretty fascinating to see him that young I suppose whatever on that baby telemarketing as well thank you we've noticed only after we'd watched version suicides that Kenyan Hayden Christensen we are not affected I want to get stuck somewhere stone no business you observe the survey covers quite fond of BC background digest tech sound so in this one there was lots of instances of characters were spring stuff to each other sometimes that people remember spring it would be an on screen space for mostly was off screen sound it was something that was just wonderful to a character in the on screen I was with spring coming from just outside of the frame there was a good few sound bridges as well which is another instance of a screen sound because it's non single Tangier sound service the base the soundscape digest it crazy it's also like everything we've seen so far by her it's busy measles sent across the it's great detail is clothes including shoes which seem to have been done by Malone %HESITATION Blahnik and food that's one of the aspects of music center a lot of food the stuff that would be put on the table for the meals for the real goose and the internet when they were in the front and the defeat and then when they were king and grapefruit which they didn't seem to be expected to even touch seems to be a double but was there for decorative purposes so there was a lot of food sweet and savoury the business of all of our clothes as well seem to be deliberate yeah I'm drawing attention to it I mean even when she's getting fittings he's call these prototypes with one slave is with her %HESITATION someone this plan lettuce and she's asking for opinions and want to get for the finished thing and that she'll probably only wear once I was looking for a moment in the film where she learns that all of that frivolity was actually costing taxpayers money damaging the country but the film did two things about it first was it specified that while this was costing the taxpayer money it wasn't actually the thing that Coles the revolution it was actually Louise assistant to send money to America well he he seems to not really be terribly in charge on the lights his advisers to convince them to J. S. and then it was too far gone and they have to keep going and that was anything debate the breasts our own people can start if the parents have to lessen so is very passive decision wasn't made it so clear but from the viewpoint of any United States in watching this this is a film about an unacknowledged at that the US has to any particular country in Europe for having achieved its independence I suppose then there should be an eight because we're watching these and totally the wrong sequence because of course the backup files but probably hark back to some of this they're doing the French lessons they're in the tape seis the French heritage is all around them the bank heists there's probably a narrative to be drawn across couple listens with those sorts of S. uses a larger historical political things of the identity of the United States is in there somewhere what about frivolity was deemed the points to be frivolity but even when it was it was deemed to be not particularly harmful because much greater homes are being done by Louise spending decisions if things are it didn't help either but it was overtly demarcated by the dialogue and plot to be something that wasn't quite as bad as Louise decision but it was her decisions you know the panting with the slogans across that you queen of fast and was implying that the people were angry with her and her access she was the brunt of all look all set not him she was the one who is getting cold frigid not that he was still in a slow taste saying I'm sick of it many of us they are very clear decision to go marry internet never said let them eat cake they had Kirsten Dunst wearing completely alien makeup seemingly wanting us to eat nothing at that moment say that line and then there was a cut to my internet with no make up on saying you know I would never say that it was clearly this was a fantasy show somebody made that up shop in addition to all this excusing all of the cost of her life so it's not something that trucks have the clothes in the hand on the cake and the shoes there are things that intrepid when the clothes the hair the cake and she was on one of the things that way the breeding for her there there are a means of expression she can take them off she has that violent tree ability to take them off and then there's that period when shows for really simple dress yes when she's not partying answer Scott simple one dress she has a hand almost completely down just got just a little bit of it tied up at the back nothing had no makeup on no silly shoes did not constrained by the Brighton it's a thing she does for fun and I think the idea of but that's what femininity involves when it's unconstrained maybe what is going on and all of them for instance are for wet when we want them to enjoy femininity it's because it's constrained because the having the shears and the blank status words that's forced upon them now because this film is tremendously possible but not actually entering your response delivery no it's it's fast there's gold thanks there's a few bold threats and dresses on back on doctors there's some quite goals stark police and their face they all the time you take out the black when she's and morning lows bacteria yeah that's the scene off to her birthday party where she and a bunch of friends go out watch the sun come up because that was quite a green and blues scene so there's lots of colors to offset all of this possible stuff but it was still possible well run that season this is in about nine different ways a team team of innocence of being primarily about teen difference from some intensely kids and adults the first one which is about a young mother for it to also be a teen film is pretty yeah I got that impression as well it felt like there were moments of teen rebellion on her and drafts that there's already fastening tension between seventy being a woman in this world and you've got to take it %HESITATION duties and roles that you must perform and you left your whole life knowing what those are but it's also not being permitted to the access the education you need to understand filling those roles she's to trade as a very caring character very affectionate and actually is the best boss urged by hearing that people are really suffering and she's wondering what Comey date she doesn't have the answers because she's left in this block U. S. world we should not allow you to think about it but she's not allowed to have access to these people %HESITATION she's kept away from them by all these and levels of rank which is demonstrated quite early on after the marriage the ridiculousness of the ranks she's caps so far from the people but you get the impression that she actually does care but she hasn't got the knowledge or the means to ready to do anything about it certainly the film to try set as she doesn't necessarily knows that the money is the people's money she just thinks they're all I'll say this is connected to something in the virgin suicides is not what seems like an ominous Sian and array to cameras and therefore seems to have the ability to pop into other places and show us things that certain characters don't know about turns out too much to be constrained attached to a certain character so in this case it's my internet so if she doesn't know about what's happening in the slums of Paris and then racism yeah and this may be something which frustrates me because there's no particular role about cinema says the cameras have to be able to go anywhere that they have to be omnipresent but I am so used to phones where if there's something which is relevant to the action the camera just shows you it if it means editing from one country to another if it means editing across thousands of miles of space it'll do so because it's necessary to give of your understanding of overall causality couples just doesn't do the couple goes now I'm gonna make my view is expense the partial understanding of the world which my character is vexing but it's not vexing and sensitive it's violating some fundamental role it's just going against the habit a lot of US equities to back to your point if I am being eighteen may face so I kind of thought well there's little touches and there when she's a mother and she's much older she ties her hair pink I kind of felt like a lot of time there's a girlish joy and things and she almost purchase into a punk sensibility I noted dine the splotch when she signs her name after marriage there's the writing that sorry the driver and slow and our signature isn't as refined as city okay this and then there's a spike thanks for yeah so there's this messiness there's a lack of catacombs with use and devil may care attitude and she goes and she's happy and she tries to find joy in things and that seems to be sure dying quite a lot but she keeps trying to find joy in things even when it's really up against her I made a list of teams things that some of our protagonist doing this and these are the moments which are denoted by the phones natch prices is being a mix of jubilation happiness those doing drugs recreationally including drugs to snorted and those that are low stakes gambling says bev very fun planning of what seems to be craps one point drinking exotic drinks in this case of champagne the pair of converse all stars returning to seconds taking joy in the real specifics of fashion and with hair and style having a considered style enjoying the putting on of a particular look when one has a menu of looks to choose from playing well I like to call the wrestling game but which %HESITATION distance might not know is there is like and it's only you you stick a piece of paper to your head yeah one thing when it exit twenty questions I think it's a very sensitive questions I'm sure we'll see yeah it is maybe just called her home by sometimes known as the post it note game planted between friends gallivanting with drinks through a place which is supposed to be quiet at night when the going out into the gardens of a song when it's supposed to be quiet making noise and the during horseplay the young adults and teenagers are experimenting with Morris mean that's slightly violent chasing each other around the watching the sun come up seeing the last show in that whether it's just the backs of the characters because see the sun but we can see the reflection of it in a big long like held for quite some time I can make a friend's recreational sex so my internet doesn't have any of that with a husband but has some of it we've of course if we change going to the movies I wrote because the operator is a validation mean those amazing backdrops are glorious one of those was clouds in the moving back up to the optical HF and then the bedroom hoping that when there was lots of people of her generation I'm sorry for him lows of fifteen business so this is clearly in parts a team from yeah but then clearly another for us it's a film about the awkwardness of this particular period yeah I was flicking Herron that between this is something which is basically happening in the twenty first century and something which was Hey how weird was that the people used to do this over two hundred years ago there's that convergence of the teenage girl with the girl last monarch because it's a girl and another way which is coming through young couples Sam's got a bit of having zero control over the shape of her own life in this case it's probably radial basis saipa expressing anyway it's the gilded cage super privileged person but he has no say over I mean she's not allowed to feed her own baby daughter she has the sneaker I use to go to the masked ball she's not allowed to go for things like that and it's not that it's the king and Louis by that point is getting especially knows no he's not the cause taking a sack when they arrive five yeah and it's not as if the door front Louis is stopping her it's a business decision the federal part of prison the king with ready cash just as those instructions are part of that means everyone goes now you know so long to do that that's just a rule even though no one actually ever wrote that roll down and she feels compelled to class at the wonderful offer of performers to show them that they're appreciated that's not all our age so there's all these things that fail and Judith to her she's not alive today and that feels like a very general experience of being a teenage girl but also a privilege teenage girl as we've seen before so Charlotte's and lost in translation the last bond sisters and virgin suicides all of the girls and the women and the poor guy %HESITATION they've all come from translates to fight crimes and yeah after live social constraints and difficulties your cost for them and they come to fill their own potential I suppose the contrast between the beguiled and my internet maybe revealing in the memory and when it gets more moments of escape from the constraints and the characters in the book all day yes even though this is a significant area directly now I suppose the difference that is in part to do with the overall aesthetic of film because in the Big Island it seems to be going for historical realism was this is going for postmodern bringing us the seventeen seventies into the twenty first century hence not all of the numbers using music being late twentieth of the twenty first century music but a lot of it being I find it comes and goes after the contest how's her BFA because it was either instrumental or classical before that after that well actually there's I won't count they are they are %HESITATION it's more noticeably contemporaneously all the way after the contest because their daily or even before the contest as a baby it's certainly contemporary in the way the norm with a piece of historical fiction is that you use both instruments and pieces of music from the period it was using more recent instruments such as drums in there and the standard equipment a molten rock band even if it was playing pieces of classical music and also there was occasions when the music wasn't very clearly late twentieth of the twenty first century music with lyrics for example but it would be a classical orchestra produced version of a choon that sounded really familiar from the late twentieth century so I think it's important for me to notice on this point as Mariane faithful playing Marie Antoinette's mother but when one is difficult one seems to have the ability to get a lot of people to say yes I will be in your film including rip torn and Steve Coogan and this particular one I was just looked up the actress playing merry Torres maintenance first daughter her name is lovely and Moscow prison V. French another post one aspect of this is just it being okay that sometimes Cox's speaking French and most of the time and not from the speaking English and American I think on the experiences of girl heads to revisit that effect because this keeps getting stronger the more offensively fame there's all these tiny girls where they part of that ladies and winning with a time release of children and the lavish dresses on both sides and so many huge stresses on these tiny little bodies and that exaggerated woman may ness of the vehicles Kremlin's under the tracks since the take one from the halfs it's not possible especially when it's on your phone yeah Hey yeah these things that make you look wider than yours yeah because I couldn't help thinking of by Sally potter's Orlando and Tilda Swinton planned for launch %HESITATION changes sacks and go to not being a mom to a woman thinks the eighteenth century and she so restriction constrained by huge dresses in these this ridiculous stuff the just war her body but also she struggles to get past all the furniture and stately homes with %HESITATION mine may have that actually is how difficult it is ten days and the sayings and jacks they're all very animated there's quite a lot of running a bite whether it's to tell someone about it ass or H. T. from to someone that you're excited to see how you're running after children are just one of the greatest friends being animated at the parties whatever happens today even though there's construction maybe it's done so I don't know if they're vicious something almost natural by her wearing the stresses you know it just seems like it works for her it doesn't take merry until that long to get new girl companions a writer so she has to leave her friends from Austria behind she is shed of Austria entirely at the border when we see her naked in quite a few different ways without ever actually seeing that kind of frontal nudity which makes it feel like using some you shouldn't and as far as what we get in there is a sense of exposure that she's fading because she's often just naked in front of other people and lots of other people there's a sense in this but one thing that range when it does while is she just automatically acquires groups of friends roughly her own age with whom she has meaningful relationships even though they may be little characterized and even though they may not get much screen time that's still something which people of maintenance age just automatically do his late teenage early twenties distorted medically does as far as coverage is concerned on the magic hour what is it called the golden hour by hour when the sun's going down and everything looks kind of orange there is six of the virgin suicides that were found at that hour and specifically with the sun in the background of scenes so that there'd be a lot of Hades strong my source in the background lens flare therefore over exposure and the sense of more of this the presence of the camera cinematography in this she mentioned do it at the golden golden hour as well because usually it's the one in the evening but not for him but I don't have so this question instances of the sun just being a big warm bola from the distance now normally the majority of the day if there's no cloud cover if you point the camera at the sun it's a huge blinding white massive way too much light you're filming a star running generally that's a really bad thing to do as anyone who's looked at the sun during the day or night but there seems to be a fondness for when it's safe to look at it so is this dangerous thing that's always around which civic opera seems to want to get when incentives tame point the beginning at the end of the day and it doesn't link to some very warm shots of close shots where people of faith in this gentle light bright orange light and it also leads to %HESITATION Hades as Hayes in quite a few shots she does like to shoot it don't even when she's not shooting the sun just issued for kind of missed that you can schedule an oversight she's quite fond of the old bit of soft focus and because it's very slight so focus as well so as not to look like it's from C. someone's misty ice is just supposed to look just slightly ethereal these are things that we're noticing consistently across the films in this business we're sitting here looking at the point in the credits where all the titles of the music that was used in this film unlisted and includes music by new order kewl performed at least bye bye while while a fixed when Adam and the ants and the strokes you know Felipe Romero the type of music regardless of what type of music we're getting the music is conspicuous a couple of countries take number three I suppose unknown dodges the music is conspicuous it has a root in minus at least takes on at least part of an array to function so it's easy for bands been called on to come in and sing the part of an array to %HESITATION just emote musically the part of an a rated for compliments I suppose the most conspicuous moment if that was the final offer you through when he was from the specialist care of them I think probably the most conspicuous form was found when I when I was version of fools rush in which I gather was written by James from nineteen ninety when I was a carriage yes after she met the kinds of his face cream to me John and in this corner from okay noted that dying because she's staring right the carriage window and you could save that she's thinking about him and she stand that sensing over a boy teen thing reminds one of F. one have an array to saying this is going to be a silly thing that she's going to do and it may have negative consequences but what the hell I think she should probably do it anyway fun while it lasts you might as well have any right to say that given that its goal of induction of at least half of a piece of pop music sign up five oh oh I was she says trial it's I want candy Michael the music video it is yeah because it's lots of very short shelf so she isn't quite animated it's kind of like stop motion stuff with fisheries all these different shoes exactly the same with cake as well and the militants while remote okay and so when you when you have shows that that brief duration and there anything that's changing the show is a cake has been replaced with a different case yeah it makes it look like the cakes and moving over them magically transforming the case into another Ellis grabbing them and eating them massively and they're getting all of the faith it's very excessive I don't think that comes at a moment not long after the moment where she goes into the room in Christ alone and of course she's not alone because it's commerce right upper face from where in there with her sisters she never really gets peace from being stared up and talks about that part with the chaise by association and the other thing I should say well screw you so I'm going to have a laugh I'm going to take a minute where am fi extravagant she's when I drank a lot have a good time one of her more meaningful relationships seems to be waited for her %HESITATION Taylor wonderful jams %HESITATION haven't seen anything for ages they say that while he's awake makers well does he do there is a woman I don't know whether he's the right microbes the general setting or something during the accu sing and the the helping hand by not not letting her go on for the results of western scenes he's in where all I think he likes boys I'm not sure if it was a by him or by video costs but there is something very early on by him being around the stable boy there were so many characters in this that sometimes it just wasn't clear who was talking about because everyone was when the same weeks away spring was not attached to my wife's saying the words it was all just sort of idle gossip it was almost overbearing at times but it is it's just moving through the whole thing and that's her Afro and central at the same time the most full seems quite meaningful because if one overlooks the fact that she was a mosque that means that it's still completely possible for being there for her and people do it and for the bill just on the US seems to be treated like she's just another member of the aristocracy and at that point a princess want to do feed seems to be liberating to get out and the thing that she seemed to at least symbolically however some unlimited amounts which is not has a phone that's been her biggest problem even though her well actually maybe it's a second biggest problem because I have first base problem and this one happens at home which is why she can't get pregnant and well I suppose get pregnant her husband won't go anywhere near that's the thing the film has her deemed by those around here to be in caper getting pregnant right now it's just that her husband would have sex with all the pressures on her from all sides stolen her if you have to make yourself attractive to him you have to be imaginative imagine and she's trying her best and he's just not interested Kabul the phrasing of the letter from her mother refers to has faded to inspire passion in her husband %HESITATION and okay nine city side she said and he knows as well as anybody that he has to produce a male heir but it's all on her that's her only purpose in life is to produce a male heir on to the moment when that is souls which was interestingly done because Marie Antoinette's brother who by that point is the emperor of Austria he comes to visit he has a bit of a chat with them they have a very friendly relationship he's not dominating a virtual and then he realizes he has to go and have a word with Louis and then it becomes clear to him that actually lower it just doesn't know what to do which hadn't occurred to me out of so what they do in here is that is making out with because he's gay and he's gonna try to not have sex with a woman yeah that's fine but he just doesn't know what to do sign our main female protagonist brother has a word with our main female protagonists husband and equips him with the knowledge to do some sex it's a slightly incestuous moment as she indirectly gets impregnated by her own brother and in addition this conversation between the two men occurs off screen because we can see the beginning of that conversation since the launch into it yeah but during that begin the conversation it's done when they're visiting an elephant in the grounds of verisign which seems to live in the sizzling closure that Nelson which has a a very wondering and prehensile trunk the actor says questions she's in the swordsman because it was having a really good sniff I haven't poking around his face and his I think I read very early on children and animals my next because Pacific up seems to have gone okay we're gonna do this filming which involves lots of rehearsal and the one point that was clearly the day when they did a little grit hustle and everyone got got the dogs comfortable with them and yet the most in the day when they got the elephant comfortable with them the symbol of the heterosexual it turns out to be there all of the request of the time actually he came by that point it's a blur should have better recollection so we've just seen an array of Louis of breast stroke Larry the symbol of his sexual awakening is a tame elephant S. as if his adolescent needs to realize that it's still enough and even though it's growing up in captivity and that can do rather interesting things with its trunk hardly subtle metaphors but who ordered central metaphors this film did not notice subtle metaphors they wanted entertainment certificate twelve actually and all the other films fifteen by couple have been fifteen so it's a bit lighter and it's capping quite jovial fun with a lot of issues why not that is while I suppose with the daughter I mean we can only assume that it was scary some I mean there has been all the business this kind Jamie Dornan count frozen not that it matters it's not like he's taking this brings us some aspects to this film's ending for the very last show of the film is not a van being driven away to be imprisoned in the never know how to pronounce to Leah went to you know they have a place for the going to be imprisoned in Paris it's the wreckage of Marie Antoinette's bedroom with nobody in it on the day off to the palace of a size been stormed by the crown from Paris this is a film about some people who are going to be trying to find the provisional government of the revolution and are going to be executed as far as I'm aware and yet the film just because you know what I don't think we're going to do well on that part of this light hearted story we just show you a bit more beautiful if at this point somewhat destroyed vessel in the moments before that it's the carriage and it seems to be quiet don't know if that was meant to repay but they're in the carriage and my internet is staring at first sight and the some rice I think it is the sixteenth says something to her I actually didn't pick it up but she says no I'm saying goodbye but they're actually almost coming out of the office shop with their neck and back at it diagonally in there on the side of here that but then the next shot it goes back again but halfway across right but if you plan on that place again with her just looking at it there is suppose some analysis to be done on whether the cinematography thinks that the palace of Versailles is gorgeous there's several moments when it's filmed through Marie Antoinette's childish wonder at the place but then it's possible the film stuff in such ways to point out that at least two implying that it's a rather hostile environment one way of making amount of cost dollars if you're constantly showing the ceiling it tends to make it look oppressive and studied a range so we're getting bits of ceiling but actually most of the ceiling so this was a way of showing gorgeous chandeliers and then there was loads of very distant shots of huge outdoor environments of aside as well including huge outdoor stands on the huge elements of the landscaping outside condos did seem to just be going precocious his neck and maybe this was actually filmed at the palace of Versailles which would involve a lots of commissions and loan money and so maybe there are conditions on how they were committed to show it but also it's all style and not she's always cold she's used to being in a warm comfortable environment that she's always cold she's not a lawyer the Cape around her the things that she wants to go everything either taken away from her or they won't matter keep it they will never have in the first place and even you were her first breakfast there they take the water away again they won't matter just have it left there on the table you have to with giving away so she's hungry she's cold I keep her standing naked for ages while they go through all the ranks of the dressers just to flesh out the system the the head of the house describes is where the most senior ranking person in the room is the one who puts the dress on the defeat but if someone's in the middle of doing that and someone enters the room has a higher rank the person doing it they'll have to stop and then the new person will come in and take over doing it and that happens twice when someone's in the middle of doing it and so for much longer than necessary maintenance just on the naked waiting for people to Coltrane and this is also Kirsten Dunst's just being naked in front of a lot of she was tremendously game in doing this and also doing lots of rather cheeky grinning similarly going this is great he's got this correlation underwriter and she plays a character as having a pretty gung ho attitude to stuff there's a lot of her being forward and lying around and fantasizing about things and P. C. %HESITATION Portman there's a lot of animation and the stillness of her being bored you can see her imagining face adventures that she's going on but at the same time when the chips are dying she has come she knows what today she has the children under control she's telling everybody to become it's going to be okay I'm staying here the search EPA she steps up and when she has stuff to J. she seems to be really happy and in control of things she comes across certainly the characters in this film hi sure it is we don't know but she comes across as a much more organized together thoughtful person and her husband became the finance home is to say you know the things that you think you know about my internet world is just take all of those in this thing is actually even if what was being shown is still complete fiction he has been invited to no longer think there's things we thought about just definitely about history women are very often right now to pastries and after captain histories there to play him for everything it's all their fault even though they weren't allowed to do anything about it so there's just sort of her dressing and thought even if we don't know how accurate anything is it's just a possibility of like when a match and that it was not her fault imagine that it's all a bit more complicated but this is a human being today and it's all a bit more complicated yes she's super privileged but she didn't have it easy either copy this and keep giving us these very difficult things to discuss it's hard to know where he said training I think it's worth pointing out as well one of the lines from the sixteenth was I won't be a fugitive came I yet the whole time he spent a very absence came from his own country he hasn't been engaged with the issues at hand in France he's allowed himself to be more concerned with what's going on in America and this is just the fact that he virtually never leaves first side is mentioned at several points and recite self is twenty miles away from central Paris it's there specifically for the frontrunner to to get away from the city which is the capital of the country that I will he's one of several generations of French monarchs who doesn't want to live in the capital sanaa part of everything where is my internet keeps asking to go to Paris she wants to be in the middle of it she wants to be involved you know she wants to be embarrassed culture she wants to be around people she wants to see it this is not her country but it's become her country and I get the feeling is valid she would expect to be an offer that insuring around from support for lessons restlessness is also communicated through this thing which couple dozen thinking everything we've seen so far by her and it's jump cutting in scenes when characters of boards of account is just lying alone on a bed in a room will have full shots each of which is only held for about three or four seconds and those four trucks of from across perhaps an hour of time to add it to an a and B. between B. and C. between Cindy is an edit jumping forwards twenty minutes and it's emphasized through having that and and it from one of the few points exactly the same in show angel bay but account is moved to bet or its two slightly different viewpoints of the cactus I mean you know I've moved a total jump cutting as a way of getting these films pace but also its way indicating the restlessness of protagonist you know there's a bed where she performs for free today she's got her own voice and farms set up and she seems to be off for covering our thoughts her escape from her side which is the escape from the city which she's already like to go to a wooden sheep so does our own off press she's performing as a lowly high swipe I wonder how much of an imaginary of her playing I want to say being a normal woman it's a lonely housewife who works in a small farm I think it's one thing for me she was ironing there's parts when you see her you she asks to be excused from the gathering and she's grants permission from her husband and she just flops on the bed you can just see her Kirsten Dunst Aksaray wild just lying fantasizing about stuff her face acting is superb during that because you can really see what she's doing because of that scene where she's playing this heist wife you wonderful it's not necessarily always that she's fantasizing about aids the current or any other man she could be found saving that different life this makes me think as well by the girls and the virgin suicides because thought was also their freedom was far they could go in their own minds and of course locks Christian vinces character her seems to be the most benefits of that the difference between a film where we get to see see what someone's imagining and the film where the film's implicit not to process just because you know I'm not gonna say what's that and I think that's the difference here is not between versions of sights sounds my internet but I suppose you're in both it's the same performer playing character of roughly the same range within about ten years of each other clearly with an active imagination this is a constant across the street from pardons the royal family and they are stuck with C. because there were only on the older generation %HESITATION gossipy in that vicious but then that seems to be taken over by a younger bunch who are friends of mine to win it and he seemed to be nice and less costly and then another specs the king is quite brave and quite benign there's no indication that he ever does anything with the military to try and put down the revolution just because okay fine you people are angry I'm sure you can take us away they seem to accept that they maybe haven't done things quite right this is inevitable they're going to be taken away I don't know hi rather than this is but another moment that reminded me about before %HESITATION do hardware quite late on my internet is stressing quite dark clothes and she's walking through the gardens the trees are sculpted and the Scone her dress almost she basically looks like amazing tree because she's exactly the same tone and share of them I was wondering if I. S. out her and padded and for society noise that she's part of the space for the furniture kind of and what might that mean so it could be something worth taking art lab and more %HESITATION S. not long after that the crisis arrive and you hear them quite a lot before you actually see anybody and then of course you don't even see faces you see sort of box of pads and are the focus fire and pitchforks cliche and that lack of attention to the humanity of the people in this crowd of starving people it did seem to go on these revolutionaries rather mean to be protesting absolute monarchy because she does come might send boys to them it seems to be one of those things where somebody recorded what actually happened and is an attempt to trying completely recreate what actually happened but what it means is we need faith because the consequence is this her saying Hey guys whatever I did I'm sorry and I'm sure that there's less mess and sons involved in let's talk I'm sure we can sort this out or is it her going I have a completely misguided way of how I need to handle this and I'll give it a go and %HESITATION look it didn't work this revolution there is reference to the king queen being quick or mess they don't in order to end but then it feels like anybody and the successor to the any state it feels like we'll surely they inherited a lot of these problems there's a line when the sixteenth just before he's getting crimes he says god help us for too young to row I know there and experience of this he knows he's already he's not prepared I mean he's only just figured out how to have sex with him to say he can't run a country most of the time yeah I think it does invite sympathy for certain they have met the revelation it's very difficult because it does involve brutal murder of a quite a lot of people including small children which is very disturbing it still terrifies me that one of these certainly the Russian Revolution and the twentieth century a main reason to fight it happened then and the eighteenth century it's bad enough for you Frank wrote more barbaric times because there's not distance from history but a hundred years ago fails by saying yes huge problems that murdering children sure today is not a solution okay the sorts of problems of the country safe thing and I really have difficulty with those things I think part of the logic of why the whole of the room and a family were killed rather than just the songs I mean it was if they left anyone alive them might be a remote chance that somebody would try and reinstall this is a monthly charge so the idea was found they had to destroy the possibility of the monarchy ever continuing which is why looking at the various lists of characters in the from the future Monex %HESITATION from the first one to give birth the contest they're the ones who survive and later on %HESITATION the post revolutionary moments including health the firm seems to be going into entirely new context of the revolution in the last few minutes having made the film very little about anything relevant to the revolution for the Boston time certainly sister from a Texan with these characters are thrown into a completely new situation it said that's probably what it's trying to convey is that this blindsided them because they're having a great time and %HESITATION real stuff something okay and that could be seen as a way of criticizing our main protagonist even though for the majority of the firmament protagonist is been shown to be a victim when she does get free doesn't do anybody any harm and Germany tends to please the people around I think it depicts her as being damned if she does and damned if she doesn't one example of that is chief criticised confirmed late on all sides for her expenditure but there is some of the gossip that courage that wasn't connected to the faces survives assignment with offspring included criticism for her not buying new dresses she started to wear the same dress is so for no for and she was getting criticized for that in her court so what's she supposed today it's quite extravagant having your metal farm but she self sufficient she's making her own fate now they say a lot of servants are doing their work she serving milk to her friends the queen of France is serving plate and drink to her friends she's gathering her own ex with her child she's teaching her child to feign to be self sufficient as well so she's actually in a way depicts her as saying probably morally the right thing for at least a better thing than what she was doing for a long time and then she's getting criticized her own court for not wearing a different not a stress every day anymore or reforming the way the royal household works the film seems to say yes has a thing for which this historical kind to should be credited as an attempt to try and re booked the historical memory of my internet even though the film sorry very post molding going this could be about any teen rebellion it's a mixture of an attempt to historical realism with the fantastical story about something that doesn't really happen at any time this was just one last point is so much of the film sees her I mean the way time and then towards the end of the film and things are fascinating she's out of time do you have anything you want to sum up way I think we've come up with quite a detailed list of Coppola isms what we're going to go couple isms because now she's the complex medical in Sofia Coppola isms and therefore after thirty Francis Ford Coppola isms woman distinguishing so S. cooperatives and have to check with you later today check your treats has a particular flavor right so as a vehicle for a set of thematic and stylistic signature traits is quite detailed final matrix stuff about color short duration existing structures and you towards protagonists and so on and Sarah Flack again a Saturday %HESITATION specifically referred to serve a couple of what we mean is cooperating stroke Dunst stroke flock and Citrix person and that fifteen go head is similar tenuously a position of enforced disempowering behaviors and %HESITATION in life period of natural intrinsic behaviors which it is possible to oppress the limits of this is to go ahead going on at the same time and have been going on that same time an older films this is very specific complacent the particular interaction between nondiabetic sound and storage space such that has no rational dimension of points briefly detailed basing measles and this was quite busy digesting soundscapes I would the game to have four films put before me one of which is difficult this next film with all the credit stripped of both films and see if I can figure out which of them is a couple of them well of course signages and developed and thing %HESITATION does use anyway as my brother kind of divisions about come from overall it's a film that I have been conscious of not having watched for over a decade now because when it came out it was conspicuously marketed it was something which had a very particular flavor to it and trailers and posters and I tried to love discussion by reviews and I just never got around to saying it so I now feel like I've made up for something which I should have done years ago but didn't last seen it even though one of the feelings that had to get at the end of a couple of films is miles long even that was less than two hours governments just shy of two hours where's the other ones have been sort of more rain ninety hundred Venice this is a particularly long films they just fail long because they have been rather slow paced and so on you know I got to get used to this because now everything is a model for SA up and dressed as a mom not marketing side vaguely remember it being marketed and certainly any subsequent discussions around it gave me the impression that it was punk rock version of the variance from that story I don't know why I didn't really think probably I'd say Nasim translation and I wasn't super impressed I just wasn't really paying attention to see if they help us around then I think probably it's good watching the night because I'm able to appreciate what's going on even though it I feel fairly undecided like I'm we finish these hearings of her phones and I'm really glad I've seen it but I'm not in a hurry to watch it again personalization the guy old fashioned service sites my internet I'm keen to watch them again in order to do statistics often out of them rather than that thing you get when you will have a film when you go on the site go straight back in right now and might but you know that's not to say that she's a bad filmmaker anything it just means that there's a kind of phones which you need to spend quite awhile digesting I think so mice that's the thing they're saying they're problematic there's a she's a writer depictions of race and it wasn't just a nice service deal world's took an black person and the background doctors the piano take sure one of the people in the courts that's not picky likely is that well people of recent African origin being in Europe at the time there are actually quite a significant proportion of them already living in your right time we're quite trying to go back to late twenties interesting but not only was over the case people of recent African origin having significant social state well after the tone that's set that's the thing that's just not stand like a pop we haven't read the biography this based on maybe these particular figures are actually based on real people for certain there's little point where one of the characters had a black page boy that was an eighteenth century fashion statement S. and there are a lot of areas share Ryan's does hysteresis while you tend to find mentions of them invitational portrayed over the fact that in quite a few towns in the U. K. there's a road called black point road actually very near black point road in Exeter and London Eckstine vested the reason it's called black boy right is because nineteen century thing was centers with us high constructions of shops shops of course have a boy whose job it was to deliver your goods are bought them in areas where there's high constructions of shops which hind young actually reference working the road would get the nickname black point road and in some cases it stark so this black point roads around the country this is the kind of places where the history of people of recent African origin living and working around Europe well before the era of mass migration there's not much of a sisters left so yeah one of the things that we can save Max's Cooper's one film is that it tries to address and redress imbalances in historiography in historical fiction although another way we collect based on film is that it does seem to give two vis to the order of historical verisimilitude hence the converse all stars and then blown up blood makes I think perhaps couple characteristic number eight is films with multiple status is rolled together flex quickly between them from one scene to the next your final full stop by us first quite Kane night to go onto a somewhere and that angering the funny because then we can say that we first what's the entire output today of one commercial feature from director I think I can say that about anyone can you say that about anyone who watched %HESITATION Hitchcock's a lot of them I think they should quit that filmmakers and a big fan of five maybe not seen one or two years earliest films from FF saying all of Christopher Nolan no I haven't no I've seen a lot of his already stuff but I haven't seen everything the sun also on the presentation the prestige yeah zero of crystals found anything following I haven't seen those two numbers if that was his first feature film I thought at one time and been sentient initialization stay five months and stuff A. suggesting on next season now concept to Dunkerque again two times this week %HESITATION heartless approach we need to lie down for several days I think we just had a drink in a day is off to a but it wasn't and I'm not I'm not Christian I'm ready I enjoyed watching inception I want some interstate online enjoyed it but I've never felt compelled to watch it again I have several times because of the gorgeous stuff it does with mine okay Sir we will be back to a conference on he's been listening to audio visual cultures with me Paula Blair and Angie Scheel this episode was recorded and edited by Paula Blair and the music is common grind by air tone licensed under creative Commons attribution three point zero and available for download from CC mixer don't work if you like the show and find its contents useful and interesting please help cover production and distribution costs by donating to pay pal dot me forward slash P. a platter and never a pay dot com four bit slash P. 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hello and welcome to the official cultures I'm your host Paul that their in this episode and you see and then I returned to her feelings of Sofia Coppola's films this time picking out her feature debut the virgin suicides before settling into that reminder that you can get in touch by email audio visual cultures at email dot com with queries or if you'd like to be a guest speaker I'm a little late breaking time pine trees and disrupting hard borders so I hope you'll join me for that and I hope you enjoy the following discussion a lot of them will continue yeah because I think we've made a pact night to shine what to look for feature films and because that's the only way you know I retain and then are surprised face order second most recent first so far is very complete just watch the virgin suicides which was to be a couple of feature JP Morgan chase and well in the U. S. in ninety nine pretty much everywhere else to Thijssen released in festivals in ninety nine generations this call because I love to get to you I just want to check them first insight I think it was really fascinating to watch it for the first time after saying that the guy owns because the sea all the things they're going to come back again and the guy don't so there's probably going to be quite a lot of discussion points from our previous episode on the phone that weekend that decides that or the issue arises here is do we now have a revision to our reading of the book on I was given that the patent seems to be emerging here as of now and importation that the women %HESITATION already reprehensible culpable for suffering but just the refusal on the part of him to tell me what's going on in the heads of the young women service actually what we took into account for the film refusing to sympathize with the characters the film does anything tractors is having some responsibility for things to go wrong maybe we took her back was actually just a couple of reasons tell us lettuces into but privacy girls finally seem to be a stronger message now is this what comes in basically there's no specific date is expected it's simply the Texas beginning is Michigan twenty five years ago so roughly nineteen seventy five and I was there watching it I looked up the release states of some of the pieces of music that were held in the storage place and they were released in nineteen seventy five it's not necessarily the case that these pieces of music would have been very recently released pieces means like the best thing to do I'm coming down with but if it wasn't seventy five hundred and seventy six this would have been once a couple has stuff was on the four or five years old so it's not something she seems to be going to on the basis of it having been when she was a teenager I listed with %HESITATION this is quite personal having drawn to her and she was a teenager but now I go back and review what you really want to nineteen seventy one so because it's not a tension over north hold by Jeffrey Eugenides which was published in nineteen ninety three I suppose a perfectly that was the genesis debut novel and this was such a company's debut feature film that's a check whether it was because I thought wow do you get James with Kathleen Turner and Danny DeVito day if you've got there specific over the room could have been an actress yeah and I think she made short too often and I'm known by any means and also this Scotland as well he was recognizable from a few things he played for the movie so there's for a list of ours but begins with those hi every kind Kirsten Dunst in there as well already because she was a child actors she really well established with an interview with a vampire and that women earlier in the nineties certainly to me I was in my mid teens when the virgin suicides can myself partly why it passed me by but I was very aware even at that age of Kirsten Dunst because of the terrible she already had as a child and then of course she had said pretty basic you know a year or two after death with spider man looking for more coffee right now and she was fantastic knowledgeable she was the voice of Kiki in the English yes yes for Saddam one two three four five she's in Jumanji yeah seven eight nine yet stood by no means it's already better enough doctors without playing and I was very aware of who she was when I was that age associates and directors home is but that tends to oversimplify things of course the pre confidence I think this is the beginning of a relationship with Coppola and on that note the voice of the narrator was very familiar I thought that we were going to get to meet them right later on in the film but now we just didn't so I looked up and it is you're going to be easy to look that up Watson lost in translation it's not even care which of those four boys as the narrator it seems like it might be the toll on sure we don't actually get the names of these borders now I don't think so none of those four because they have been named I found myself wanting to spend their time with an older set of boys from some kind these boys before it's hard to tell anything from swarm characteristics to the boys in this town but I think that's the point probably if it's just boys and it's just girls and at that age sure it's all the same he just put in another session from burgeoning sexuality you're just giving it a name it's giving out focal point that it is perfectly normal times when content will take me just on that manages to get Mr Lisbon the father played by James was turned green to let him and three other unspecified take locks and the other three daughters and unspecified pairings to the homecoming dance and it's only really decided when they live in their house with eco sauces three American pain you're going to have to bring our customers for your date White House start a supporter of shading of business yourself there was virtually no camera movement in this film one of the things that was notified about lost in translation with other floating camera movement but it was still quite restricted still it's still seem to be outweighed by the number of shots with management this film is very big on the nine women or if it was a moment it'll be movements such as one might see if the Congress during the point of view shot from out of the car so the movement will care when it was being moved by has become was it's stuck on someone's head but it's that color color was just a really strong aspect of what was going on in this film and it wasn't measles working wasn't color stories by subjects it was Fulton consistent use of the filters slightly different versions of it sharing it so sometimes it would be a bit more rain sometimes with more yellow but those things which we shop with this yellow orange filter fifty green nothing ends what is the thing is given that the pattern that we have so far which is switching between those gatherings held the shorts and then quite washed out blue filtered shots I was doing a tally I counted at least knowing instances when we switch from yeah we arranged to meet Whitey W. or vice versa industry and it so that it would be quite an abrupt visual contrast hi graphic contrast everything and then suddenly off the patent if this walking back and forth between these two colors and certainly officers are as we get into just the same way as this thank yeah vomits during that's associated with that that is pointless story about algae breeding in the local like everything court found smiling on the towns we get to see the smell circus thing at this point seems to be a determination to use filters to help us see what's in the ad with members including six miles and there's all these references I think the police are trying to figure out if they can affect your coping mechanisms that the community try simply that the parents initially tried to implement any of the youngest girl commits suicide to be think commit suicide or is it better to think of yourself when we say commit that's above attached to a crime this is problematic it's not just a force of habit to say it because it's the combination of this way of not saying kill is not science suffix %HESITATION certain players are crimes registered in countryside in ninety seven countries all imply echoed hierarchy of crimes like infanticide is worse than register yes we ought to just call a spade a spade and four three as far as coming up so I think that maybe it raises issues about the right to die there's a right to life but there's a right to die a slow and if your life's been made if not worse let them for various reasons I think that would probably bring us on today the issue of the transgression so that's probably quite a big thing that we can come back soon yes this might be a time for me to plant the flag that says the film didn't make abundantly clear the extent of these girls suffering because that's not saying any of that point city at first things three the frame of the police are trying to understand him he can't get access so it's not an accessibility well maybe that's the thing is because it's not a Tatian is crazy about tuition which adopts the narrative voice of the normal researchers seems to be the first person narrative voice the film seems to go okay we're gonna do is throwing version fast best not to voice even on the phone number to voice of film is utterly impersonal kneeling on the nation's third person knocks of course and so well it was very clear because that was the voice of one of the male characters from up in the late nineties recording all the stuff I can send you know it's very clear that we were getting fertilized narration that was contrasted with the fact that a lot of time you're getting a camera which would go into these girls bedrooms and we show you advertising details of faces and expressions prospered looking back on it yeah one is aware that this is all supposed to be through the eyes of some boys a lot of these instances were sitting very close shots of expressions of these girls they were personal point of view so bored all the characters that mixes I think given the time of the setting up the phone and hi I noticed quite a lot not just with the sisters the focus of the film but girls in general and the film it's almost there performing to be decked out nice so I've been thinking about it because at the time of the film setting which is roughly nineteen seventy five that was when the world will face Seminole from feminine the fact that I was published visual pleasure and narrative cinema she's starting to expose she's arrived at to be left out nest of actresses on screen and I wonder how much Coppola certainly you could detect spec rating of the film thank you your crying that theory and at times the states because there's so many of the girls I was noticing at the towns there's a lot of the girls background actresses just standing around looking around expecting somebody to be looking out for them and nobody is except the comics that the fans point fifty eight no one else sucking at them but everybody's picking up those four sisters at some point we're trying to fix this constant performance of them being looked at because I guess they are being there the four sisters here left there being dissected by these four boys become men I'm here trying to understand what happened and they count they have no access to it but they're being taxed sectors and they're being looked at and memory going three CDS diary which helps them learn more about their internal flights and the wildness stuff their internal lives given sprinted clear when they go to the diary when the voice goes No contest matching information there and reading the town one of the boys coach cheese how many pages can you write about a dying tree and flicks pasta and tries to find something would using those records the fact that this tree is dying just seem to be something for the girls are quite concerned about and they come out to protest it being cut down underneath scared away from it but a lot of new that being elected by the eyes of the United States of America because of what their sisters were they just leave the new one arrives it is at the cafeteria yes of course the treaty will not the tree seems to be a reference to a prominent in to kill a mockingbird as well because character who communicates with the kids just fine leaving the little toy figurines inside the hole in the tree the scope of but right active communication between these distinct taxes cut off when the father and father notices that it's happening and then cement throughout the whole country to the seem to be a reference that into an older generation interfering report younger generation does this first restricted nominations something which online I'm very lucky it was quiet and quite a few places but I was looking for the %HESITATION film just tell us what these go thinking it doesn't have to and that's the whole point is a teenage girl going to tell you what she's thinking why should shape and the whole point if their transgressive behavior even when it's on the internal because that's the only place where these five kids can be great benefits such a repressive five who did show some elements of the way in which the mom was repressive the first way that their service well first moment service for inspections if you expect one of the more evident moments was when lecturers back the morning off to the home coming down and the cameras remains roughly about the street distance from my house servings twelve meters at least from the front door so everything's done quite distant long short and to the point where dition lines that distance away responsive when blocks are confronted her and has no parents arrived but that doesn't seem to say it would be just seems to be both shocked and glad that she's there and then the mom gets quite violently angry it's one of those instances where it's quite clear what sort of house of million and then the other one is one of them %HESITATION forces like through a burned rock vinyl and this particular protest about errors so I wonder if the narration is subjective Hey stop projection onto the mother or is that merely you know I think if somebody gives enough that it's not clear whether that was really high the mother was or if this is this guy trying to psychology I saw it on third to why they did it by the okay of the missiles I think that I might have been seen as it because it was inside there have been one of the boys wouldn't have been able to CCS because there's quite a lot of thought and then when the other guys pick them up for the town I mean it's for completely different voice something creative for that are trying to help them they're filling in gaps I think the voice over the first thought that that that tends to filling gaps and hi subjective and may have to be quite creative in filling in the gaps this must have happened %HESITATION speculating all the time so I wonder how much do we trust what we say is it too simple to say that the mothers not repressive and there's a toxic femininity as well as the toxic masculinity commentary for the film does seem to make a point that the mom is repressive parents because she's a devout Christian Catholic specifically of course the old version of the place and because his refusal as far as the noise is concerned is when she comes back from a particularly anti popular culture sermon that insists that works with her credit cards this was what this brings me to tears the question around if this is something that's very easy to do product prices automatically suggestive of subjectivity because each act is not something which film has a problem do it because film being a set made up of a set of views of the world doesn't come without forty my take neither cation of subjectivity comes with something very different because for the default is location of objectivity does that mean that they're going to do after what you're suggesting that everything's things subject to open records act later so going three characters other than our protagonists who were a lot of time does not mean you have to park in so many very clear signposting this is subjective if you happen to miss the about ten percent of sign post the whole message doesn't work ultimately I'm devoted to the T. bones three what you're trying to do this but I suppose looking back at it a little bit that's making the most sense assuming that objective the phone was put in place by subjective one does wonder if the phones go nothing yet to indicate that that project is supposed to be set aside we're supposed to proceed subject to threats well that's my list of ways in which this week's how would it be Croft person ship there's also suggest the way that it speaks of subjectivity soloist I wrote technically proficient column hundred an on screen text voiceover bits of the narrative provided pre main titles freeze frames transparency of one shot of another conspicuously unusual angles such as the hunger so if the two women talking in the house for a minute getting very brief shots with things cutting off quite abruptly midway three so that would jumping forward to the next scene lots of silence several instances of uncertainty about when things are happening relative to each other because this reordering so for example when looks wakes up in the football field after the homecoming dance trip Fontaine is just gone the guy who she was he fell asleep next to during the night he's just gone and then in this couple of shots later we see the moment when he gets its up during the night and leaves a on her I'm sorry but if temple reorganizing lots of snippets of larger conversations so that when you get a very partial views of things use of split screens having a bit of voice over from the girl's diary while the boys are reading it so it's a spoken version of a written accounts that's being recalled by the person who's narrating the films and multiple levels of people writing their lives looking to the people talking in the present in nineteen ninety nine H. because we see the older version of Dr Solomon's current trip in nineteen ninety nine having rather large sound bridges using fast motion the opposite slammer the first time that locks cases trip from tenants happens in this kind of slightly Benny hill it's always a bit funny cost margins slightly Benny hill speed time lapses such as watching the decay of the front garden selective exposure staging in depth having cameras that don't follow people around and just stay off in the distance and known omnipresent cameras slideshow of the imagined photos of the mold traveling around Europe put them together I suppose the purpose of all these things is to suggest contrivance level of the phones the rations of course not contrivances contrivance of in the right hurricane Isabel and trying to figure out in the past and it was because that one moment when we sing that imagine slide show of photos and the characters going on this imagine standing on the very last slides are resistant white image on a screen to do get a bit of blank pages yeah I'm in this for the twenty fifth occasions of it being a text recalled by character the text contrived by cartoons storage space just one of those completely blind to it there's a couple of things that I can work in general and you brought up the lack of coming there often is notable because a lot of what's going on in the film as girls flying around ten grams so the comments aren't moving because they're not making that very still I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere sipping a cocktail of talking about that and there's so much she is the experience of the teenage girl launching around for hours on end in a room doing nothing but maybe having a very very good time in our heads but from the outside looking like she'll be completely idle so having been a teenage girl not something I can relate to where you're off on adventures and you had some crazy worlds and many exciting things are happening when you feel confined in a room and you're not majoring in your stock number two you feel stockman I'm not but you're also idling and shared pointing right gets part of fifteen girl experience some high that tension between the fifth and what to expect very boring nothing nothing but actually it's the internal world the internal experiencing internal lifeless beneath it and many sexually charged often as well so there's all this tension within the stillness there's a lot of basement hidden and not yeah I would say that that's probably what comes thing there and it's still nice it's reflecting a lot of thought I think you were mentioned hi uncle shows with their diverse some fairly low angle shots as well or maybe at least to come right is not necessarily tilted spot it's getting ceilings in the frame I'm sorry there are high angles because there's the fifth ball fails there are a lot of shots looking down as well so there's a variety it's just I noticed quite a lot of these when the camera is I don't think it's tilted up but its possessions low so that you were talking about the women here and frame and to show out there in the in the bottom third of the ram and actually the rest of the acts of wall and the ceiling thanks and have a family and of course one of those women if making a jibe with right the takeover of %HESITATION the Lisbon's hearth and hers is so garish and there is a lot about seven days Gary Smith you know and it's maybe the colors are quite washed all right but the patterns are really garish so that showing of the savings which is kind of harking back to earlier pioneering filmmakers and an independent times in the United States of people like Orson Welles you know when they should be aware at showing savings everywhere because you don't take that because there's nothing wrong with that she showing off failings and I don't know if it's a deliberate park back to that but I don't know I just felt like it was a setting and culture letter %HESITATION yes very much and the boys those four boys that you follow and I don't know any of their names they're always on the periphery of everything so if it's from their point of view one of their points if he acts from a peripheral please and there's a lot of peripheral and transitional spaces being utilized and finish off the thresholds windows are ways windows and doors all that kind of thing Ali ways with tops of one point one that doesn't really early on the film of information about a little boy character whose name I forget he jumped off what we would call the first story in the US because second story window ledge then right to the point that he jumped off the roof of the house and he didn't hit the river at something time sensitivity if there's the tension between memory and that and then if it found then saying I am the real thing none has this message for members he could probably come through the phone and find evidence for either or do wonders for in this classic politicians situation of if you had read the book some things would make a lot more sense in this film as if it's too indebted to the book it's to a small extent at least an illustration of the book rather than a standalone narrative and the fact that it's using the implication of Flowood memory from the book that it's raising that in two ways it's frustrating that the right to resume steak and secondly being that the camera is mistaken this suggests an incomplete task of taking this thing and make it into a complete standalone film hi can happens when you were talking something very tricky thing today and also it's her first feature you wonder when you during the first feature do you get your first feature because you're already an actress the production company is it out and also because you agreed to adopt something which is already quite successful can you put a package together already and the fact that your a genius director he's directed a few shows before the scene of something that's not a particularly incomprehensible these other production values and in part because somebody guarantees that if you're not up to it the stuff that couldn't take a directing which does tend to happen and also I mean I would say a lot of the actors on set specially the veteran actors I would say they know she grew up on her job from Seth so she's got less and I'm pretty sure this photograph of him visiting her sat Francis Ford's price from Harper's select okay but it's her own I think it's defective things while I was wondering in terms of being sent a letter because I don't know if it's me being in the office works the film being really often and a lot of these allusions to things but I was wondering if the film could be considered as a response to stand by may everyone else is somebody is another one of the four weeks ago in a massive adventure yeah find the dead body and it's a buy boy Tate and friendship friendship among boys and if the doctors from the Stephen King but it's got one of those endings in which then raises explains what happens to everyone in later years some elements is quite tragic and that's wonderful and poignant feminists that office Friday wrapped up from what I remember it's been years since I've seen that but then I was wondering if this is a response because it's all still a complete mystery by the end of the film you don't really I mean you feel like you can you know what happens but then if it's enough to in your mind that you really tones because on the surface of that five sisters killed themselves there's a lot of finger pointing at the parents and then there's a lot of ignoring of the trauma by the community around them there's no support there's no offer of support they can't cope with it too much five two sites it's too much to deal with and they sort of write it off it's almost preceding this snowflake thing because they're five teenage girls who have very you know sort of hard working well off parents the huge Harleys they're lacking nothing the rams are fed of stuff I mean there's so much detail and the dressing of their rooms and that personality each of the five girls that you don't I mean if you think you would need to actually set and go straight and pause the film to sit and look at all the facial information the ticket and because they have to they flashed personalities each of the five of them it's just we only see these minor collapses because we're saying it from the point of view of the boys so we don't have access to that and of course it's their private worlds again but it is better told in the film it's just we have to excavate it even more and then it feels like even more of an invasion of privacy you know in the community seems to have collectively decided to not try to understand what happened to just try and ignore it to try and get on with their middle class lives and this is second tension away what's going on in Detroit with the car plan starting to fail there's the packet that the funeral procession hasta go crazy for the striking workers and that was one of those moments the firmware it down is this going to have any consequence for the fall and it's doesn't cause basement striking seven to fifteen so there's a backdrop of the working classes are not having a fun time and all these better off people have the ability to ignore the fact that five teenagers talk themselves into very much is that's part actually of the opinion this part of the painful like I say that this guy one of those four boys who tries to help them as an adult he's looking back to that time and that's part of his frustration and this pain and stuff the community call their parents everybody just made some really easily and ignore certificate excesses or ghosts already so there's that sense of the parents that they sponsor ostracized after that we just go and nobody knows what happens to them there's a very small sense there's just implications of post industrial Detroit's emerging here and there's serious trouble and yet and the voiceover he refers to him and his group of friends I was hoping a businessman he circle around each other every now and again and so they're still not attached to the world that the impact of economic crises things are affecting the working classes that still has never affect them there's probably a lot to Tayside up by masculinity in crisis and this film because there's all these attempts to understand the girls come to get girls attention to look at girls J. feel girls to touch them to be in their presence to have them look at you thought on the part of the teenagers and then the keeping of these very masculine shelves so the car factory operatives and step cemetery workers there still coded as male masculine jobs it is not and then another reference again I think I don't know if this is trite words to your free if they're reading off a thirteen year old girl's diary just screams of %HESITATION Frank and I wondered is that to try to %HESITATION either one being tried and bringing about a cessation or if it because a lot of the stuff in the tirade and she mentioned earlier it's quite Monday ends stuff and it's a thirteen year old girl moaning about things that aren't a big deal and stretching it already yeah and their parts and %HESITATION Frank's diary where she is doing things like that she's talking about getting your period and she's talking about being annoyed at her mom and finding her mom torturous because of what they have to eat and stuff they don't understand each other because she was a thirteen year old girl that's what happens without a hitch so I did want to that and then these boys all sitting around fifteen minutes and I remember reading I'm trying to fire me ensco having to dissect as a piece of that sure and that's kind of what society of the columns when they retire they still going through the trash I think somebody throwing two thousand and one of them refers to finding itself on the pipe this this is seems to be the one who delivers the key to wives all happened delivers it before the opening time and allowing the which is part of the conversation abruptly cuts off well there is a line which is included in the trailer thirteen three conspicuous as far as scope was concerned and it's where she says to the doctor he's treating off that she has attempted to kill himself by cutting your wrists the doctor says what could you possibly have to be despairing about and he says okay you've never been a thirteen year old girl there's one clear statement there but there is something specific about experience being a teenager the keeping of a teenage girl which in general is just not an enough time and then not play if at any time in any place but there is a movement going on in this film fits within living memory of the summer of love and the heaviness of the nineteen sixties sexual freedom feminism and then there in this what appears to be incredibly restrictive environment where they're not really allowed to mix with boys they don't even mention possibly again because of the point of view if the narrative there's no reference to them having girlfriends as well the sisters kind of grill together even though they're all a year of parks and five successive years there's just the stranglehold on them comment on over protective mother he basically suffocate some grumbling here is that I've just been teaching an entire module up and alert you to the right U. S. culture the happen in roughly the mid to late nineteen seventies because this was some physics reacting to what has come before that was too wild and free you know if we have to get back to sort of nineteen fifties ideals this was one of the things well the right to as far as the film was given the right to is that I'm getting it right it was when the four girls when I went out with them and to find justice for the homecoming dance and then the director says that each of them among changed over dresses so as to and a few inches to the chest and the ways to reach them so that when the four girls appeared on the night they were wearing virtually identical sacks this is another one of those instances where the costume as part of production design in general it is quite clearly going these people are dressing is affecting the Victoria not clearly indicates that as far as the phone is concerned there was this lurch to the right in the middle of the night yeah when they actually get to the town's helping other girls sick very similar they're all in those buttoned up dresses and these flimsy from Baylor can things this is the go to the outlook dot com hopefully down the line we lack to the ankle yeah there's no coverage Fleischman's plant tool this is one when the girls do make any contact with the voice thing that kind of desperate fumbling breathless sexual attack because they've been mostly restricted from being part of it but it's the younger ones because with locks becomes the youngest one facility dicey fourteen and she's the one who has most sexually aggressive the other ones aren't really they seem to have come three qualify for and that's how it is in my account really people there to get shot ended up not sort of thing I mean they actually think that you know when they ran I think she's not coming when they have to go home and make their curfew one of them says looks is going to get it we're gonna be fine and none of them are they all get it they're all high spines one of the reasons I had to go back to the beginning of the film and check who was what her age because I thought I was just wrong what age Kirsten Dunst conta looks was supposed to be our focus should be older than fourteen but not voting and perhaps she turns fifteen during the drama the film so that when she has that night on the football field when it seems that she's having sex perhaps she's fifteen but that still basically on this subject why is it called the virgin suicides I remember trailers from the period in which there was no voice over which was the news reports with someone announcing that the old thing about the server size is that all of the girls involved with virgins as if young people killing themselves would normally not be virgins in that folder be ready and usual for anyone young person comes up to be a virgin or did I just think it's almost kind of tabloid headlines thing is that the film is punctuated with the news reporter trying to get information a story out of one girl's death she uses top to tail whole series of reports on an academic obtain a completely different attitude and then there's that cacophony of news reports when the four girls killed themselves much later on in the Philippines and a certain amount of people right like you said it's a cacophony you can't even make one nights because there's so many planning and same time recalled the night over each other so it becomes kind of white noise you can even hear it anymore I do wonder if the tightening of the book deliberately I mean I think the voices for the press of the time the media of the time in back whether these girls were one of the agents is something that no writer doesn't care about and that an objective view during the time when carried out but it's something in the media because it's another way of robbing them of their sexuality at the night stand at the sites for them and imposes an identity on them there for channel that are like the virgin Mary there are always a great girls %HESITATION something difficult %HESITATION I did wonderful moment hang on is this %HESITATION running title because looks it pays to have some sex quite a bit yeah is it delivering an incorrect title because at least one of them isn't a virgin four has she been quite deliberately happen he very nearly having sex the fourth street culture street definition of sex still counting the film is a bank yes on math but they have sexuality unlocks a special late very early on and and CD is Tyrese has the wrong buttons sexuality the older ones there's not a lot of it but you can see that they have desired they want the police to call them I want to kiss the boys they don't seem to be particularly but the specific but wait they're hungry for meal company at ropes and I think that it can affect and position and if they're dead and gone and counts tell their story and if they couldn't tell their story anyway because they were trucked away they're hidden away and hobbyists and they weren't allowed to each and I had all the stringent rules around dating one was a mother even the Latin dance anything else from the seventeen there's a denial letter sent this continued denial that they have sexuality so that's what I would say so this was the one with the title of the film and the book is supposed to be the voice of an agent in the storage space who doesn't get to that other it's ironic because I think it goes a few ways I think it stopped and I'll love them but also it's that tabloid reduction that is reduction of what this actually happens and of the nature of the people that it involves it's just a snappy way of pick notice not virgin suicides so all right so obviously this is Kate to kill themselves than half the indicator and because we associate the word virgin with virgin Mary there's something about him being teenage girls automatically so it's a kind of shorthand way of getting to that tonight said their sexuality sort of a once it's pretty hard to %HESITATION death probably ironic as follow I have always wondered if the title was played straight what it could be suggesting about these girls are as if not having seen the film was the title suggesting that these girls to cut themselves with people who everyone thought they'd been having sex and then turned out to not have been having sex I suppose because one character that might be true but it's nowhere near that simple teen film while we're on the fact that this is about kids he basically spy on the teenager so thirteen fourteen fifteen sixteen seventeen that's convinced at the outset in teen films at least since the nineteen nineties and quite likely going over back to the nineteen fifties comment service that the teens have the consciousness of adults so they have the world weariness they have the sense of emotional maturity they have knowledge about that P. is about social interaction that means the the the basically health consciousness battles this is in part one of the reasons why in teen films the team he's often played by people in the mid twenties in this instance at least we do actually seem to have the characters being played by people who are the age that that counts but still list the characters seem to have a very mature consciousness amongst the boys for example this is far as the voiceover recording what it was like to be those boys at the time his boys have a kind of world we re understanding of what's going on around them although some of the actions and only that determination to help the girls these groups hello suppose there are those moments when suddenly they just faced with serious stuff happening those two moments when it happens in the first is when a bunch of boys have been invited to a policy for this big house in that procedure in which city officials have other windows and that's what she's facing connect so and I think it needs to be mentioned that she's impaled on the railings and that again just to bring out back momentarily to sexuality thank mentors of course metaphorical for penetration and also then it gives the man otherwise redundant benefit community get some something today by removing the railings and almost gets better masculinity a purpose and that purpose is to a shop dine transgressive nous of a girl having the autonomy to end her life and the way that she wants to and when she won't save us first in those instances when those boys they just turning back into kids yeah source was mine doesn't this film give adult consciousness the teenagers thing it definitely doesn't at this moment of crisis because we definitely K. they know when they're mostly mature enough to handle this as far as what they are confronted with on both occasions is people dying but then I also wonder what any adult the emotional maturity to deal with it anymore my children the way they do it because in both instances they just leave they've been quite a bit of shock and there's not actually about the counting to have to walk away from the site of intense trauma if you're an adult he was a guest at somebody else's house and then you witnessed this thing happening please stick around more than just leave without saying anything well I suppose they do that because that's what they think that that I don't run the expect them to do yeah it's a difficult one but then of course it's a memory that we're saying what if it's actually the performativity of the man right as they just remember that and then they leave you know it's almost dream like and how it happens that we just quietly walk off win at Cecilia and if the horrific sight because it's in darkness just got the white dress on she must execute floating in the garden I think the way that the show is frames frames of this love and to focus stuff in the program so it's not that's OK what she's lying on before we get a show we have quite a significant delay of people seeing characters looking for screen space and seeing signs of space so the room the cations before we actually see it as well as a vicious not horror on people's faces when they signed comes and they hear it and you see them working nights what could have made that noise and then the horror the second in Harvard %HESITATION not moment of pause because they physically comes for a moment I have stated I'm supposed to go and have to look at it the firm does not pull any punches and it's interesting as well hi if so calculated and it couldn't be anything else but the priests stomach Tice's her death he refuses to call it what it is and because of an accident so she's recorded forever in the register of accidental death or was from go do we have enough elements of an anti religious message in this film to conclude that that's the main objective criticism for this phone that's the yeah we do we have control of their system but I I think it's well it's not specifically you know I think you can go there absolutely with %HESITATION criticism of such an intense practice of Catholicism but I think also it's it part of thought general denial of the girls experiences it keeps coming back Saturday nine missiles with the trailer that's the saving effects to the doctor you don't know what's to be a thirteen year old girl the sheer intensity of what that's like and it's constantly tonight the experience of being a teenage girl is constantly denied I think that one aspect of it being invitationals threats quite slick and there are lots of characters this becomes with down syndrome who we meet in one scene and he's just a temperament birthday goggles boys is that I want to see that because South Sea yeah the same thing happens with the priest seems for the mayonnaise the one who says basically the differences lie about this character we meet for one thing and that's it a kind of a surface of characters is a colorless rethink because when you've got a lot of characters in the book there is re reading possible wars and from that last post me services quite a big function %HESITATION I mean he goes upstairs to the sisters are all in one man he just see him looking into the rain I think it's only from behind I don't remember actually I don't think you ever never the same shots certainly at three just him talking out them they're not helping any government I think the designer and he says you know if you want to talk to me I'm here to talk to anybody about anything no one here and he raced under the old mine this last person they want to be around I think with the voices are especially when they're all round at the highest Mr Lisbon as an assignment because I think it's fair to say that he probably wanted to some some point and he's kind of okay with police and that sort of all played on the mother that she's not happy about the minimum boys she's not happy about it going in cars because it C. N. dress she seems to be super paranoid super conservative and Mr les bonnes seems to be fine with the girls starting today it's because then he gets songs to play with them to show off all of your crop that he very interesting because only carapace girls please into playing games with the shared that with anyone so it's clear that there's a void in his life because he's never been able to pass on his Craig Anderson for years and trusts to his militia with anybody's got girls in their code is as girls and it seems like there's been no opportunity for any of them to be interested in any of that stuff and I thought it would be a large even if they weren't so that's a part of her life she actually doesn't know anything about it is that because the parents are so essential listed by gender that there's no opportunity for the five girls so they have to be in any way for this to be interested in the things that their child's interests none which five hundred five kids and ready to say that I did for awhile thank is this from secretly quite pro %HESITATION either sex or gender normativity I mean I thought that was because of the scene would chip from tens to death so we got one scene in which he is a non normative family one of our characters is a son who has two fathers and that is not paid to be a mother so something along with it and yet there's two downs is shown to be knowing it is not it's not the case that the phone's going there full two dot com please I have no idea this is the prince but if that's the sample that it takes this at least interpretation that that's what the film is I think again it's important to be specific they're very well maintained and they seem to have a happy except something that's already nice to try all of that but they're not best place to stay and they get them well meaning but not very good advice for imprecise this guy checked ends up being one of those two guys he ends up in a train wreck because he seems to be in rehab and he's being interviewed as an adult so basically done with those that have members with ninety three points with merry Jane has that way three scale that's probably likely becomes mongolica drug addict not seems to be the implications and he's talking a lot about never getting over this girl he abandoned to make doesn't raining or why he just laughter alone %HESITATION if someone can explain stuff yeah from the older boys are they don't even know themselves never mind not knowing the corals there's a kind of strain archer selfishness and so many of the characters that shapes a lot of the events for which leaves intense taste in the mouth but quite unpleasant taste in the mouth it's very good at showing taxes being in addition to being selfish their performances that companies go out of her activism off lots of awkward body movements let's fidgeting lots of shifty eyes looked sort of shocked being held while characters glance around and generally look uncomfortable it's not just a troop of teen films that teens kind of been moved a bit differently from adults that kind of constantly screaming it's a way of indicating that even the adults are really uncomfortable noise he is a world where nothing quite fits people on the right shape hold even those tiny details about how people live alongside the whole massively so we get in sentencing it doesn't make for a very strong taste in your mouth after receiving that that stuff takes its hockey sweet cover of mine how well prophecies I think its transmission light because it's retrospective you know very early on that they're all going so it's just a matter of carbon to get there this is for is the way to go because what we were getting a point when the four surviving sisters or cousins subs and one nine was something like a rebellion with the four boys actually helping I thought that that set of shots which was the four boys and four girls in a con joining today yeah %HESITATION I thought it was real but there is an amount it's going to happen but part of a sense of different types of subjective shop that you can do and from that I think need to be studied with the monograph that you and I need to start writing because I first in his writing about subjective scenes where these daydreams what are my options seems that definitely don't because sometimes they have supernatural events occur in them so it's made very clear that these aren't actually happening in the realists story space they're always bookended by characters %HESITATION looking into screen space and getting a bit distracted and then at the end someone's often going hello there isn't anything that's part of a whole menu of types of things that are powered by the end is being known burial for their magic and stuff like that was a space is one of chronic sense a factor of ways that news from said do not trust yeah seeing is subject very mature for her first feature to draw attention not much tape subjectivity and remind you that you cannot trust you in here in this town this is something which we don't seem to get lost in translation or the pre filled with uncertainty not over yet Hey we just like to you I don't suppose is lying in this line because the different voice yes this is what I think is known as the pilot phase duration following the film's in process it's not really but I wouldn't call it five days because in this game it's a subjective imaginings and remembered imaginings of this man he's married and he was a boy he was one of those four boys and you're seeing a shell of what he imagined it was going to happen this was running but my faith is if the phone doesn't make it clear from the outset whether it's showing what the characters imagine what's going to happen yeah because it was something that she did and the phone line which in the sequence of editing it's very natural this is the next day kind of shocks on it check she yeah yeah and then you have an old writer K. he's just imagining that %HESITATION I say what's actually happening is horrific horrific Mrs emphasize with contrast color saturation and color palette of light this the five meditation of the girls bodies as well you just fades your CV harm wondered whether there was a deliberate ten minutes ago with four of them kind of sort of the same time what I'm gonna do the same thing that we did when we showed you Cecilia having just killed us off because we showed you her entire body then and you don't see Terry all you just told that sleeping pills with her so we see Bonnie's fleets and we see this fate and then looks like Saddam but it still has to figure out and the fingers I know that the car was noticed a few times in some spots because the normality of smoking is something that says this for shopping or if there's a second process because we're just now so accustomed to people not smoking indoors if people smoke in the area outside of Mr Simpson has never been done already %HESITATION I'm thinking about the guy okay and if the film is the precursor chasing girls obviously bursting my sexuality that's being repressed center being closed and then this bakeries but also that pastel she it's of the dresses the first time you see them as a collector the first party I think in the basement and of course the party has to be in the basements after push dine and Hayden %HESITATION I work in a comfy scenes three windows from the outside but I was wondering so the girls are all dressed up in their fast dresses because this is this hatter's social event happening to try and fix Cecilia because she's around too much girl company lots of psychologists HM the late it was suggested as a for this party so they're in their finery kind of like the goggles when they have dinner with Jonathan it could be worse comparing the shots from the party and the virgin suicides with maybe the first enter in the Buckeye health because I wonder if there's any coding J. the colors because they're just sort of like the lady there shin off white's Virgil pinkish peachy you know that kind of thing and stay that corresponds to a character type can you identify that across the different sets of girls if there's one directory we could have a reasonable degree of confidence would use that precise degree color coating it would be difficult yes second phase something you so take your straightness work and I'm not some suggest absolutely I have one word in my notes that we have in the some degree covered so far I'm not what it is final notice from %HESITATION from the thing when the four boys and four girls by microstructure of the friends of the communicating using that collection of forty fives that was a one of those moments of quite functional style where in many other girls these films is saying this is quite a few trips months in seventy five but at least in one aspect of popular culture I suppose specifically aspect which is the one associated with teenage is the time it's being in touch with pop music the film is pro with that aspect this is an offense coming night at a time when you're starting to see the death of the mixtape because in moving into cities and staff and nobody's using cassettes as much anymore and they're stuck that die off the dispatcher for older technology there's multiple factors used towards the cost of this film having the account of the use of vinyl seems to be an object different going to he's just tell you something about what's great about being a teenager in the nineteen seventies force that's the range of it seems to be not allowed to operate in this film because the whole process of them seems to be that it has to will be through the eyes of the boys this one is not permitted to glimpses of the film's main focus but it seems to be an indulgence the computer into the so what did you think of the use of Morse code and again I suppose thank you bye old media I hope most of the medication when I was a teenage boy CB radios were the Hey here's an interesting technology that we can use to get in touch with an interesting world of that and that was in nineteen eighty four ninety five if the use of lights to talk about most carriers to Boise Idaho to St century keys into that whole roster of aspects of teenagers interacting with the world in ways that different from adults seeking to drones and that affinity between teenagers and any technology as long as it's not the technology used by parents even if that means going back in time using filters to light fires eight teams in the walls using magic once again I was gonna say scrub through an objective comes and writes it but I still have to suffer the most code license will turn to relatives the point few sets of shots from vocalist tattoo there's a session on narration there is a moment where I think it's after when you see the parents slave there's Mrs les bons hallways as well here her voice concern she sang her girls have no lack of love the boys are both he's gone back to saying you were trying to figure out the sequence of events we sell concrete enough we can happens anything we have no idea what really happened he died first and already went on a party we kind of sort of thing and then there's a part where the mother's choice comes and she's saying they had no lack of love a certification that the opposite problem they had to milk sugar very low image controlling life minute readings of it was that the mother was just mistaken about workers just left I think that the mother was thinking that giving them a condition of stuff was the same thing is giving them a conditional love for what she was actually doing with the printing was refusing to even acknowledge the basic person one of the maintenance probably looks I think that happens off camera yells at her you're suffocating me I need to leave their salaries and then there's moments where in the school one of the other teachers system Mr less fun can you sell something clean and sober for two weeks what's going on and he's mumbling at the plans he's not ninety starting to go last person was quite simply dominoes and quite challenging as well because it just went Hey this character has a mental illness we're not gonna have to match the music playing at the time which is going to have other taxes going %HESITATION that's a different way of behaving from the way we used to people right on the line he gives twenty response the question what are your thoughts is he says he checked out the park right there %HESITATION text of my and left and maybe a word on casting because three mentions that a little bit closer watching so we talked to the Christian town starting here and this is her in a transition period between child actor an adult actor as possible this is what could be considered as a first I don't really know what's the team wrote that it's a very volatile anyway so she's playing the most transgressive character the characters with seemingly the most autonomy to the point where in a way her character locks they see the downfall of partners three remaining sisters but then that's the main affection on the imprisonment of all of them and the whole experiment onto the mother at scenes from the stories ever told from national level but Kathleen Turner playing Mrs as phone and internet being most recognizable from her role as Joan Wilder and romancing the stone and juvenile in both of which she's plucky rule breaking and a bit of sexual agent as well this seems to be a casting against type for Catherine tanna facility was probably next with across the room and always has a hand to write back and is always insisting that her divorces have everything to free number on their server you can derive meaning by costing you can style you can say just look how unwelcome the baggage that you associate with these actors selected is in this film account conspicuously different countries from what you see in this form of play before someone on Kristen Dunst born in April once institute so when doing this phone solicitors show in late nineteen ninety eight and a nine nine to sixteen seventy playing %HESITATION fourteen fifteen year old son of cars getting someone in the mid twenty th nineteen nope it works and she has to do a lot of casting of boys and girls from Boeing and things like that so it's quite fascinating the way she said it seems to be in fights Mandarin voice somehow gotten to go to the great values and the other police the police trying to help them across the road watching through telescope and fighting over the telescope seem either fighting versus city of fiery because China understands there trying to help these close the carriageway them and they're very different from being trapped but also they can be just one of copper fail and get a glimpse %HESITATION get technician from the images of these girls and that's mostly three Bucks one boy at school over for sure is the hottest girl in school she's the one that's tracked the guy who all the girls are trying to fight she's the one he's dying to buy it it's all centered around her and that's quite a fake character for such a young woman to carry but she's well versed at this point this is kind of already a veteran actress she knows what she's saying she's the one who tries to wait on the other chair not protesting because of weather days for protesting because it'll be smoked offer and should be in hell for it to say there routed by her writing that names of boys she lives in her underwear on them %HESITATION placing an ice and that the name of the town so just kind of level %HESITATION what do you call it there's a kind of it seems like every video and cheeky very failed because it's technically a superimposition this box at like psychics xray vision picking up their work checked on her very clearly looking under way for somebody who seems to be aiming to go out to have some success I see yeah but you don't have much choice if your mother's going clothes shopping with K. as a scene and then taken somewhere they go to the thrift store for the dresses and that's really nice actually saying that race shot of the four Carlson and my parents are sort of a couple of weeks after seeing lady bird for either one of those things not found as Christine lady bird she's going into the first store with her mother and having a big argument then falling for the dress who are the problem that was interesting and it two different ways of dating with McKenna girlhood experience of going co shopping with your mother for your property address because you're going to towns and those numbers really seem to be getting this may have been more of this narration not through the eyes of the voice aspect from the senior moments from actually getting genuine bonding between the girls and them %HESITATION when things were okay maybe even that was imagined by the voice just not clearly articulated to the fullest it seems that there's a lack of control and is it the ultimate transgression the ultimate protest when all you've got left is the body occupy is that the protests is that mail to my teenage rebellion to take your own life on to leave the body the body's letters arrived is temporary and they're scattered strategically all over the hallways the carriage the basements kept at your end one of them in the kitchen wasn't they said marry he slacks on the floor they said she put her head off and others as far as the purchase development of killing yourself it's not an alternative reading off the active killing yourself to it's something that's very brave because it's a warehouse of suffering it's just a complimentary way of reading it in some cases it can be aware of suffering in other cases it's both whether suffering under way of protesting the thing that is causing of suffering the fact that all five of these girls have killed themselves means that as far as the mom is concerned none of them can go to heaven and there's no mention of that what so ever the fact that the priest is also present documents doesn't mean that any divine overseer will be full and so I would have thought that that something that has been particularly strong interest as having traumatised mum but she actually seems quite stony faced about the interesting questions and really believe in the supernatural stuff she just wants to access the control over her endorses that was probably exercised over her when she was young she just passing out I do wonder if the active server side at least as far as the girls are concerned I haven't been brought up by a Catholic monk whether the act of killing themselves would be a protest theologically the way of going you want us to behave in such a way that will make it into the right off the life will screw you we're gonna do something now that will automatically mean that we don't if you happen to be right I'm gonna go over your vehicle that's constant resistance the normal thing seems to be the most mainstream and also some independent Hollywood filmmakers that anti religious stance is tend to be very impressive very quiet across the sample is then you're gonna hate me for this the Pentagon where two men can't just lay in the center of the stuff and they can't say who's a priest reading one of the songs out to a bunch of characters or anything around it and then they just move on he asked you that based on our protagonists going given that some people do that but I wasn't doing anything for us okay thanks and then you can get slightly more critical stance is just going to get hit on the one that we saw in three billboards outside ebbing Missouri well one of the main characters just tells the priesthood particles the first available one part of the phone that I could really get behind and it was a fuck of which scientists child molestations were specifically it gets lower every from to fight culpability which I think is pointed at the moment you can apply it to a range of things the phone would have been made long before the Harvey Weinsteins hang on to fall to make some sort of follows from that have emerged if your call before you know if your associate is or even if you're a bystander if you ignored something that's going on and he still associate with this particular thing your call football we are responsible so it's a stark reminder even a phone like this is F. B. patchy it that kind of repressive atmosphere and and repressed but here here's another overbearing concerned with safety to the point where you're you're blind to the fact that you're killing the people you're trying to see if all the time because you're preventing them from having their life so if you're going to prevent them not much well then they're just going to stop the existence that you're forcing on them your call football and so it's important that you get that moment of the mother on the fully so far basically up solving herself and not dating with wide if Donna reaches observe a selfish thing I'm sorry it's not a confession no it's it's just a I didn't do anything wrong all I just love them sort of out of shape that comes out and what she says is different now and lack of love I think it's the way that she could set and that's the problem it's because you can say that both the extreme situation is just too much is too much of the wrong sort of love and suffocated them %HESITATION like you're saying it's a misunderstanding of what love face expose it comes up with tracked a little bit as well because he has seems to have a misunderstanding of what love is the talks but having never felt that way by anyone other than the locks and yet he treats her best mate there's misguided it's ideas but low opening along in this film Mr less than he's a bystander he comes fairly he doesn't okay counter he's paralyzed in some way here's an effective his masculine today is an infection he's basically destroyed by the Saudi support man comes first when he starts to become a bit detached from the world such these talking to plants and doesn't seem to be communicating with people Cecilia's close off because by that point but the main trauma that point is that the four girls I've been basically locked in the house by the month that's the thing that's really traumatizing him so he seems a points to be the character here many believe the real loving parent to be able to raise them in a way that it's respectful to them and he's the one he's just being over born Marmont yeah because he tries he wants his daughters to date and spend time with boys and for that to be normal he wants his kids to be happy when checked Josh Hartnett's character goes to see him to try and convince him to let him take likes to the dance he makes a point of saying here with my wife a lady who %HESITATION as restrictive if I mess it makes a half you're joking not joking comments about it hi it's really her she won't back to Carol stated she won't have to go out and she's very strict about that time because they've done it to the older ones accounts and just allow it looks to start dating in James words during that scene he's got wonderfully shifty eyes when he's doing any acting sucks because that means if you ever want to them to just be a very honest upright I don't have anything to hide I'm not lying to myself character you have to really get into not be constantly moving is ice this is the perfect thing constantly now do we have any someone is this is our third city a couple from reforms and sort of five four nine there was a line in there and the voice over the imprisonment of being a girl and so I think that's an idea an image that reverberates serialized I'm guessing that's going to be relevant and Marie Antoinette as well I don't know if it's lingering possibly I don't really know anything about the film I haven't heard of it before definitely in the three that we sing I think that flying a price in present into being a girl absolutely in price and with the cardinals I would say it applies to the Charlotte's and lost in translation because she's a young woman being plagued by someone who is between girl Haitian woman paves he's pretty across large woman quite often very strange place emotionally mentally physically open mind for a moment perhaps this is all about the first world problems of what you have quite a lot of money transposition first world and are mostly clones yeah so if the vehicle was going even though I was in the wealthy relatively privileged first world Blackman nonetheless are experiencing gender as a removal of agency there's clearly something wrong with gender as a whole so president being hate for us to your best commissions and saying something in general about Gomes about what about gender one thing the last couple of feature film you think your office called someone one thing we do have this seems to be the same across all three of a couple of films you've watched the past couple weeks is that nobody is entirely innocent Marley everyone makes a mistake of some kind or another there's mistakes and then there's deliberate transgression yeah there's different degrees of people being at fault and of course in some cases the mistakes that people make they make just because they're too young and under informed about the surroundings of the Hartley culpable for having made that mistake but that seems to be one of the major themes of couples output as we've said for what state is that I don't know %HESITATION float protagonists anyway maybe we'll get one we're not gonna get one of nine expect stylistically static cameras expressive use of color performance being permitted to communicate through rather small bodily gestures and rather long duration show these things quite strong consistent aspects she makes me it was in Shanghai they don't refer to hice rose center for public safety the parents it's not our policy to let it go politicizing the space within the last six weeks I think I'm not overly links that helps with the politics of government on the ledge to the right in fact that's not our policy the resurgence of the public policy institute if you were gonna do a lot of tension of versions of the sites and your first draft of the film imagine you dropped the phone we don't drive to screen for you just make the entire film is the first often you can have a go at changing if you can she completely new scenes would you change anything significantly Josh Hartnett's hair there's that detail where when they crowned homecoming king and queen that looks gets the crown put on her head but then the teacher twice but on two trips had and trips grabs it and waves it around because he doesn't want to go anywhere nears half was the film going he's been brought up by two dads is that effeminate Hannah what you get when you board a flight to dance it was not an element of seo for compensating the full of girls he flashes worker from making miles at least implicit comments on same sex parenting possibly that's a thing it is finite %HESITATION high angle show ten minutes from delicious luncheon around alive over to ships of the graduate also shows the graduate in that green tinted party seeing off yeah so so it's where there's a pull out of Iraq in everyone's wearing way too formal closing for a policy in somebody's house and then one of the characters just jokingly throws himself in the pool and and no one laughs at the jokes that he's just made time in their lives so much to me I've had enough splash there was something about %HESITATION reminiscent of like the plastics Benjamin he called again and the plastics there was this the sector for people looking out of a pool behind the house where there's lots of people who to return goods around three questions that aren't you although rather ironically that character who delivers the line the plastics line in the graduate I really want that jacket everything else about the musicals while this guy really nice third references Google knows where it's come from but I suppose on that because then and that new Holly ridge and staff I remind them it's the transgression of the younger man's character shared not faced by men of there each one in this sept fifteen girl played by teen girls %HESITATION the very specific transgressions of fifteen girls on that %HESITATION just leave me alone taken to its ultimate conclusion we weren't wrong in thinking when we went into this that they would be a loss of stuff about these phones this is going to continue this is in the same breath dominant themes in your work makes you predictable pedestrian something which we associate with even the most unpredictable in the most inventive products produced ways of working three something because there are reasons why what many refer to as far as terror director shim distinctive filmmakers there's a reason why they keep coming back to the same things and she's S. because they're still working through them that's unfinished business Coppola as far as we can tell from her body of work so far she has unfinished business and necessary she has not done and dating with possibilities of girlhood and it's a specific kind of girl hated is white middle class girl her age but that's what she knows and he is she there talk for anybody else all you can hope is that her having that platform she could face to sort of a financial person in years to come a compiler for the people behind her and open new stores for inclusion for night as is has always been the way this administration I think as well as it's the most privileged go first and even the most privilege have problems and pressures the thing for getting a fuller picture of what we're in for a new policy other fans read five fiscal position of if someone was to plunk for films in front of us and one of them is difficult please newest film and yet was not shown the credits for any of these films it's just for firms minus credit we should be able to figure out which one of these four films is surgical business that's the theory how you could ever actually carry out that experiment and some of the massive but I think this is that we have observed that we would be capable of recognizing I think one of those plans definitely don't exist in the work of other filmmakers is focused on he's been listening to audio visual cultures with me Paula Blair and Angie Scheel this 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hello and welcome to the audio visual cultures podcast I'm your host policy Larry thank you for finding us die noting and listening this week continues post screening discussions with Angie shale by the thumbs of Sofia Coppola and this time we watched the Big Island so this was recorded the night after we watched lost in translation in the previous episodes the first thing into that question just a reminder that you can get in touch with us via email on audio visual cultures at G. mail dot com with any queries or if you'd like to be a guest speaker at some point this is a platform that is reaching heights if your researcher and academic or you're an interested party and anyway and anything to do with audio visual cultures regardless of your fields get in touch and we'll see what we can set up a time of recording I'm still designing the audio visual cultures websites it's coming along but I'm working freelance so it's taking a lot of time the website hasn't launched tests and it hasn't go to Jimmy in if you want to help me get it set up and get it running please consider pledging a monthly subscription via Petri on dot com forward slash P. 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nineteen ninety eight she's a German Irish English French and Channel Islands at this %HESITATION slow descent several of the so she's the younger sister of two character funding sources X. part because she plays the she plays the younger version of Dickens's characters in various forms she was also we need poetry right hand in the bookshelves he's the main character thanks to CNN they were right there final results in the sense of just having a a main male protagonist who suddenly turns bad and then it's just rather straightforwardly killed by the mainstream optics and yeah I guess yeah right so we're doing a couple things at the moment and we watched lost in translation yesterday which is great and this is the beguiled versus list in twenty seventeen and has only really disturbs me a Pat on DVD and we're going to go Hey talking to she's defined entirely by the fact that she makes possible movies but even in what I gather all her less stormy in that fight apparently my internet is just a festival of %HESITATION and the bling ring is also slightly on this well how many that might make it past point to watch them yeah so anyway I got a guy who's in the lead the last postal officials but none the less what she does in both of these is that she doesn't like desaturated colors and plenty of colors with a lot of why he said so that when you decide to write them you making pastels the thing about past battles this week we say shit with certain checks right but actually pastors are just lots of white and then a little bit of color makes it faster of course in addition to this just like in Boston translation alongside the road city desaturated quite whitish colors Marxism's park every frame with looming black mountains packed into it and this one in addition to order fast quite low contrast for because there was points in this market moving around going I might just look at the screen from the wrong angle because there's I'm barely getting out months of people's faces I think it's worth looking into does she use a slight diffusing filter everybody is probably important tend to look into the the director of photography and we haven't been paying attention to that sort of thing so it's it's the same person the second systems what do you think the focus of Tory eleven in the canal yeah can second that is right the silence of in homes and let Radovich music track and his father %HESITATION and because I thought with the black lake its interests and Kirsten Dunst's character by the hands because she's the one he sort of brings in a bit of color and the first fancy dinner and play dress and she's shown a little bit of shoulder and then and then then the other one the one where they pulled the rest of them of all conspired with the mushrooms she's wearing a white dress but noted plate at least with black ham some things here the details were custom made really incredible cost savings from the making me pay attention to what people are wearing for assistance and food is such a thing I mean I haven't seen what neither of us is saying phantom thread spot a lot of your vision a lot of talk about the costumes being ready constructing because Daniel day Lewis's character is making them so construction and he's not moving with the times at seven nineteen fifty from London but that fell mess punctuated with phage and fancy breakfasts and eating on the Bengals there's tenors are a focal point of it and the clothes are you can see the construction of the core sets but the dresses themselves aren't necessarily constructing enough but not to the point of the counter anything like they're still a very mo bile third very rough and ready girls you know one of my men on the thirtieth I have two different dresses photography lost in translation with lots of cold and the book office Philippe de so see whether any of these she works with P. two seven seven seven one ferry careful framing because with lost in translation it felt very nice on the visit sort of documentary feel a lot of the time and the framing its I think it probably is precise but its film this affects lace I thought makes sense where is the guy okay it's so tight X. so organized X. there's very clear frames for you can say this is golden rose I'm thinking right now in the very last show with vendors body outside the gate and the seven women %HESITATION quite quite right there was so way off in the background will post to get them back in their threshold space of the domestic social space Kim was slowly moving in or and then a moving toward and by the time the show so I thank a tableau thanks that posing at that point it feels very much like a painting but their their kids to me not star presence you know they have a prison sentence not because they've murdered they've killed this guy but yet they did they're not perfect they're in the shape of the golden rose you know that spiral shaped their positions and not spiral shape with and the frame their stats center of the frame but Barron presents you know and and should have paid more attention like what year is it hi many years because it said something like it's is it three years St to the civil war show there's S. are at least two more years to go I'm sorry eighteen sixty four I think so okay view at night American civil war history isn't brilliant we don't read an article I thought over here I want to go back a bit from planned north and south video games the teenager and cluster still awhile to go listen to her so I mean they're basically era they were imprisoned there anyway and eventually it's for their safety that night they have this terrible guilt you know and there's such a such a big deal made of thick Christiana thing yeah I was in sixth we are Christians with it being a Christian thing to do %HESITATION surprise and then again and again and again for almost every single time it was religious observance with some sort of undercurrent making a mockery of it yeah as miss farms worth saying will you join a surprise as a way of starting to approach of social life with my phone and then the fund to pay close between six to eighteen sixty four American Civil War ended in fifteen sixty five sorry the south is losing I think the telling boys Getty but I think on their Christianity I wonder if it's worth thinking of bites the Adam and eve story because you know there's nothing if original send coming from me but really it's she has a girl with some saying she presents it Adam Adam thanks yeah that sounds good he makes it he makes the decision for himself he can sense today having a gun for self and all hell breaks loose and I think the women and Coppola's spec I'll I haven't seen the first version of the film yeah well it's it's one of those ones where it's a re adaptation rather than and he was going back to the source novel mean reinterpreting it rather than me making the end of the first found yeah you know and I think there's a whole other issue there a photo of the whitewashing because they would have had slaves you know they would have had and the servants who were black not helping them and I think that's as as far as I'm aware that's in the first film and there's nothing there's no trace of thought here I've I've heard people try to make the argument that that's the point this author raised but that's it that's a whole other problem well I think this is historically there was not that big way Amy said all of the slaves of left and I think I started this is the point where they might face a proclamation has been issued by North and if the sun is beginning to lose the war and yeah so populations of slaves becoming aware of this it's a phone call that they would have just left and that's why all the girls are doing everything themselves dividend hard labor and you can see here when they're trying to set thing that China stockholders or whatever in the garden they're really struggling there was the recall of conscious decisions never to actually show you who's in contact with yeah that's going to be just on the bottom so signs yeah okay yes Sir I think the public interest even before it is giving a loss of responsibility to offscreen sound to create meaningful source was hidden %HESITATION but Bailey saying you need someone to take care of your garden this is the volunteering to pick out with him realizing that the amount of labor that plantation life is just not not even it's it's it's fields but yes the main house of a plantation needs masses about keep it ticking involvement where everything grows or we are out there so I mean there's also that just very maybe it's very British saying fifty any end of hello Hey Carol sees me two cartons fans they can take care of the file he smiled and offer hope for that fits with the gun the thing as well as space yeah he's he's up for this yeah he's he's a winner the disorder he makes a mistake he the thing that is needed to yes %HESITATION so I hope that this order was boys need seems to be the whole place distance to put around sixty kind of implicit system because this is a fucking nightmare version one it is another thing of having any initially the very first few shots having any picking mushrooms and then bring them back with my phone and scientific mushrooms at the end of the poisonous yes exactly having to be established okay we can do those ones we cover those and then funds with lights on going okay so we can kind of sort of and you don't do what you did before we had exactly the same framing the first two minutes as a means collecting machines that are poisonous so this is a is a lethal landscape %HESITATION and he gets spent by mosquitoes we have one point his body is just under constant attack you know his his body takes huge minor punishment it sees a lot of violence you sort of before and during the film yeah those shorts of his leg both when he's been it seems that it's not even showing us these been hit by a piece of shrapnel yeah and in the short when he's broken it's like it's like it's like books and then it builds using brick brick abode perhaps it might just have three threes skit but it looked like his leg and rack completely active for you on the status of his body it was being attacked by the environment including by house yeah there's if I could in almost every single one of those shots were still dole if the reviews from the outside it was fine said it we just concede a status in the back the first as we're sitting next to her name I'm gonna hook you up with short durations endless of course it's nice vehicle perfect BFF but I I really liked that because I like being able to study the image and she gives you the time to be that pensive spectator to just watch and explore the image for yourself so they're they're very precise framing spoil their friends and their the focus and so that you can ready wander around and pick up the details UFL very top blue like I think you you mentioned drive or walk to net that had this pictorial campuses effortless photographic from from that era well the the reason that it came to mind this because I've I've had a little bit of experience of seeing photographs from before about nineteen twenty four one of the most common characteristics these photographs it might be to do with the fact that the the images have aged and then when they're actually love Islander first printed is that they have come quite a silver sheen to them although that's probably just one process because several purses and the other is apparently quite a big thing in the eighteen sixties in both the UK and the US was pictorial photography specifically to me a former photography where you do you take lots of still the tables of stone philosopher's cough and then you can manipulate the negatives by trimming little bits from several negatives and compositing the together into a new negative seven printing opposed to from that and it was a way of having things that were really close the image and things are quite disturbing image both in focus at the same time for example is he could actually make a picture of her first off that was a thing already in the eighteen sixties and the photographs they have to slightly unnatural look some of course because too much is in focus they're slightly mysterious where one part of the image joins the next body image and they look to me because it's also highly contrived loads of details they packed into an image like a third pictorial and not specific sense of things it's like three months for free and just like the convenience and having that sheen and I do wonder if maybe what we're looking at here is one of those things where a director has full and couples form is residential movement of her subjects and highly contrived compositions and long short durations and a mysterious throw things verdicts fits really well with my concentrically and so maybe this is just the kind of from where she was going to be drawn to making at some point because she's already doing some of this switch copying artists and photographers and have their and so this might be one of those places where those particular aspects of her signature I've just become quite intense because they're quite well suited to the subject matter is interesting to see whether the suggestions in this for longer than average for Sylvia whether the contrast was lower than it generally is for her of the phones because it did say it was actually slightly north of points but in in a way that north where I went %HESITATION result which is from now in a way when I went this is thank you for saying yes the sizing but then it was probably a kind of realism because everything was calm the let's who's in the room right now which is controlled right yeah man it's not gonna fly yeah but these involvements even when they had ten fifteen candles and still didn't have enough lighten so I think she might have been slightly cheating on pregnant not cheating that kind of reprehensible sense but cheating in the sense of making it so that all of these images with darkened five three for me the way that the film developed through digital post production but if they're on the losing side of it and they're in the side of history that's dying off is running out of resources their light is damning they're coming to the end a lot of the candles for really quite stop basically over time so even if those kinds of details were important this is a way of life it's dying you know this is at the bakery sits gonna die off I kept thinking every time I saw those columns I kept thinking of the streetcar named desire punch to plot to scraping you know her past and her use growing up in a high second she's at the very end of it not so we see quite a bit in the interests of eighty years later but but still it's the beginning of the end of our way of life this is it this is a subject that needs more attention I think in discussing this film because there is a lengthy history of representations of the American stuff specifically in film to the extent only and I've sort of been listen to on this before but they said not only in in in the process of argued that in addition to having a genre called the west we'll also is recognized in American cinema there is a strong record something and it's not one which of course company has that name but it has as big a repertoire of iconography as the west said Weston has costumes as informants story arcs and has problems all of which is specific to the west of the southern has exactly the same thing that's why I was getting all kind of Spanish moss in the first two to three seconds of this film yeah really showing us that this environment has its and lower the accidents the ten went slightly closer viewpoint is a measure to be points where people go and while calling talks a bit different from the way that we talk they're getting kind of drunk drivers to talk and let it like he did but most the time southern accents of that kind of flirty lash two Grammys where it's coming from at its nation best were really intense the highly contrived line being reviewed polite to each other the color to match the frisson of violence on the surface and the sense of gothic proximity of home and these are already certain things AS in that the specifics there's already been a surgical specially descriptive of what it's like to live in the American south African the conventions of the genre I think there's a lot to be said and those contacts of the homeless social life of these women and hideouts violently disrupted by the introduction of this month and then he himself isn't American he's an Irish immigrant who has publicly been flaring well that's an eighteen sixties but there's probably still an art and a dry garden of the effects of the fireman twenty years before the show mass emigration because there's no prospects an assignment that's also a colony of Britain so it's interesting then it's fascinating then he goes to America ends up in New York and then he's almost immediately joining the Yankees %HESITATION mobile this because that's how Colin Farrell told but he said I took three hundred dollars to take commands place so preserving some longstanding citizen of New York who had been drafted and he just accepted yeah you know usually have nothing here this desperate so he took the money so there was that there was a sense of we are never going to leave the environment if this plantation mansion little huge plantation mansion and one of things that will be suggested by the doctor if you never leaving it is that it's cloning this track and of course having a someone who's crossed the Atlantic trying to find himself right yeah but the husband wandered into a civil war figures from one poisonous environment because they lacked it goes into a conflict so %HESITATION and then within the conflict zone gets pulled into another place yeah that's which in a way is probably even more policemen while it's an extreme hopelessness for him but it's even more violence than the one and I mean it's fascinating and you and I do have a recent things sept twenty seventeen you got this movie and so you've got this group of weapons Hey and their own individual ways contrived to a make that smile on their own they're all jealous of each other that he is giving them attention it's all being offered to him on the play it's and he's taking it he consents to certain things he's nice to them he charms them there's probably so %HESITATION levels of manipulation on his part but they're very small and it's more he appeals to them he appeals to their confidence you know he says Kirsten Dunst's character you just haven't got the confidence to go out there and do something else you know if %HESITATION he he's trying to give her that and it's hard to know when he's being genuine and when he's just being charming Casey's and survival modes and you don't know to what extent is the surviving and to what extent is he crying on these women and then things kick off and he's got several invitations from the three oldest of the women and girls and this place and he goes for the easiest one it seems there's a lot of ambiguity around that but here she's the first one basically a purchase ham she kisses him while he's a slave so that's not a consensual acts you know she has invited him three just taking it and he goes to her room and pushing that they she is that her man and it looks like the claim so you get mixed consensual and then she he writes it off as non consensual after the violence thing has happened to you after a I keep forgetting the names but after Carson dumpsters and find the stairs okay so %HESITATION MCAS kinds of moss %HESITATION faces Farnsworth she just does miss month miss Martha okay so my offer was Nicole Kidman's character Kirsten Dunst was critically now Edwina Alphonse got to put on this year and then the younger ones any of the dark hair Jane was the one who played music and danced in order with us Marie was the the one with quite a round face with short dark hair and then Emily was the one who basically said I'm fine motor pools I think I'm just %HESITATION discuss this for a moment that's basically the entire cost of this phone thirty minutes ago Colin Farrell Nicole Kidman Kirsten Dunst and then the one two three four five girls the oldest and oldest of which is our findings contribution and then you've got on the cast list is as it was listed in the credits just two more Gani's who was including the the Confederate captain who gave most of those votes and then the two Confederate soldiers who came in the house you can even see the faces for them as well and of course they would have been a bunch of other extra stress but they said because of the sites that have confederation sort of a confession mating with the kiosks really so there was maybe this is something I pointed out before we started recording it the company seems to be big on everyone does something wrong a smaller or greater extent everyone does something wrong or at least the main female character of the man of god to do something wrong answer nobody is completely free of guilt but the fact that one of two people may have a small degree of guilt for having made mistakes doesn't mean that they deserve what then happens so I think there was an element of the film wanting us to go or maybe they shouldn't have done nothing with the mushrooms because actually he seems to have apologized for having gone so off the rails and he of course had just lost his legs or maybe as a loan standpoint so maybe he doesn't need to die that's a difficult one because he he does threaten to kill them but then to what extent is miss Martha culpable because as she asks for the bullets they wouldn't have firearms if it weren't for her and that is a really hot topic at the moment because it's been yet another horrible school shooting and the United States very recently so it's bringing in but if she's got an empty gun but no plans but she asks the soldier he stops for better it's because she feels safe her with them and you know the whole thing this week has been trump suggesting that teachers be armed in schools so it's a very all its thing to watch at the moment actually and a and a lot of thought just having happens to very %HESITATION it's foreshadowing of thought because she actually end of wavering city enter into the hallways because he wouldn't have a gun the gun was there but he wouldn't have something to shape the may fifth I mean he's basically helpless one suspects going on because I mean the thing is it yeah he's off the side but his arms are occupied by the crutches there's only so much violence he can ready J. on that space that he's on great I mean he makes the threats but it's Wierd sweet he actually really doing it about the questions hanging over the mall and not fair fair the fairings Heidi that drive some bad ones he actually killed someone we don't know if he's ever killed someone I mean he's seen from what we know of him he seen the battlefields and he's run away any not shocked no it's in sort of the back of his psyche as he was running away from the violence this is a month he comes across is not hard if Ireland so he complicates the notion of the abuse of mine because to what extent is he ready the abuser is he the one who spent the goggles has he been beguiled by all the women so you have to have a very difficult conversation so it's a really interesting films combined at the moment and it came right before the Weinstein stuff all kicked off so it's a very precious moments to be having this conversation says hi culpable are women because victim blaming as it's a massive problem and then this film asks a very awkward question as he stood next to him and to what extent is anyone of victims are we old victims here point and then where's the tipping point and becoming a perpetrator of abuse of any kind when he sloshing I used and making threats and he's understandably very angry he was unconscious how can he knows that his life couldn't be saved this is not someone who is medically trained she just working off an anatomy back what if he's right that she made it may use with him and he didn't reciprocates and so she immobilizes him at sort of poses all those very difficult questions from him back and forth on this as completed ten then there was the moment where I was most places to go right no matter what may have many Bernie victim he does deserve to be violently stop was the sex scene between him and a day yes it's really aggressive that's really I mean it looks like she's in pain but it's there something Seattle masochistic avoid it because she lacks also like she's enjoying the pain but it's very hard to tell if she's making faces that are very ambiguous it's one of those things where if you walk in on something and you get justice flash of an image it's very hard to tell with the laughs pleasure opinion the way he was interacting with her is the kind of thing what we're gonna do is in line you need to be sitting down with the mainstream media I have a really big in depth discussion about just what exactly you're supposed to do %HESITATION and then direct and tiny little bits and it did seem to be broken up into three second shots yeah the red researchers have and then you just you and the person you gonna be doing it with it and do lots of market value careful what ready player protests of testing serve how we were going to do it because I was to act as if quite long standing you've done lots and lots of phones really trusting each other not that they were like he has handled FACS kind of tipping her head yeah yeah he's quite powerful girl and she didn't seem to be resisting map tool no that's everything you have to replace them he added to the contract probably felt that up and I would say I mean Colin Farrell as well versed in maths that's all he's done that kind of violence a sex scene that's consensual but it's verging on violence before well it was in a film that I mentioned during watching that that it's an Irish film cook triage area and he played a journalist he has PTSD from being right and I think it was a rock covering the Iraq war and the film kind of slowly unravels Hey if it's really fragmented because you're aligned with him a lot of the time but he's been away for months now he's back and he has secured a grass of sexual incoming chair with his wife and it's really partially done but again if someone he's been three serious trauma and working through it and then again and that the coyotes this is someone who spent three serious trauma and is trying to work through it but it's find himself in this bizarre situation where he's convalescing but he's also a prisoner may not voice is at present the columns have become present bars even that very pretty refined smash curtains and things then Perot George Knapp curtains and things there because like the press and like you're looking right from the start windows almost just to confirm the gun thing I think it's one of those issues that surf pro in U. S. society if you don't think I stand on it and a phone you need to do so virtually invisibly I think that was a really good go doing that where have situation where there was clearly a gun in the house and then %HESITATION main character goes and makes a decision that means that that gun is no useful weapon and then as a result of that it's used against them and because I think we probably would agree that nothing should be done in the U. S. to put more guns into the hands of anyone and that has much to be said for disarming the police that's interesting hi he uses it on the chandelier he uses that to get frustration I mean it's kind of part of the ice crossing dying really it's it's six beginning at the end again Schindler shop was a little bit of a cliche and then there's so many films in which somebody shoots something holding something else up certainly somebody shoots with enough precision to sever road now there's no way he would have been able to change and hit the chain at the top of assembly but it was just one of those suspects and displacements where yes if you shoot the refresh and there is a test with the Senate will full time sh yeah it's not it's more the image on the signs I think yeah that was something that she had to do that stuff really quite violent Saxena is I think a lot of it's actually done the signs you know it's something that tearing the images are so quick to signed is ready to and heavy lifting of telling the secular narrative the %HESITATION the chandeliers while it's crashing I thought the symbolism of the bakery scratching dialing the symbols of wealth and privilege crushing dine around them you know it's not just that they're under siege at stats that world is crashing down around them that's frightening there's something in sevens because I'm going to Columbus for which seems to be this requirement to just ever so slightly lament the loss of the pre war American staff as a way of saying it was right for it to go there because it is included slavery by the way he did it one involves such conflict within U. S. society that the French is still visible and that is something but should have been handled better because that gesture of complicity signed as a way of saying you know these internal conflicts that actually make the U. S. several nations those conflicts are ones that we all we wish had never come around the first place because they will just products of unfortunate misunderstandings a part of that is that these little attempts to try to redeem aspects of the American south now the phone does he seem to be relatively neutral on the incessant mentions of Christianity given that the %HESITATION these motifs of our imprisonment did seem to be one of the elements of the thing that was imprisoning these women yes absolutely yeah I mean it's one of many things it's the costumes it says it's the hair I mean the way their hairstyle now %HESITATION hi how long everything takes like the preparation and having to help each other while hitting each other and being resentful of each other every aspects of this life imprisons them their locks and for safety products they're not safe from each other and and suggest let's say between the mall that really is the greatest problems and it seems like there's hints of it already because I think ferry RD all before John arrives before Amy brings them back our findings character the shit she sort of falling asleep during the French lesson she's fat off their shoes one of the girls says that the musical one she's already saying oh well I just have to say and my father soldiers will come and pick me up there's already a tension there he just caught last set his presence even even I mean he's perfectly affable he's grateful he's very well he is and he's not asking for anything Olivia asks for is can I wash Kaneshiro feel just basic human rights you and he does not quite make clay and maybe he's manipulative and being so nice to them but he has no reason not to face because that keeping him alive he to fight to fight them so he is very grateful weather how much of it's genuine or not he's performing grab a Cheech and visit them he take it too far because they're so hungry for anything else to be happening for sure borders all of them are so fed up with this life of drudgery Seki because it's not just the lessons if all the city of circle on there doing hard labor of the states on top of their lessons so this is not a nice life for these young women on the London knowing next to nothing about couples are now recently learning about it one thing up I didn't know about it was that she devotes a lot of attention to experiences specifics ago and it would be easy to go out this is really pro go %HESITATION relief from FEMA community kind of filmmaking and yet to be pro let's just represent go ahead does not in any way mean that your prime female community Chris for his films master seems to be it's absurd that women and men %HESITATION basically segregating each other in this culture because what it means is that in instances when minimum and do come into contact the tension is so great that people just instantly fall into bed with each other and then that leads to yeah rather than it being a master's thesis of the people and it's completely fine to be a reference to that does seem to be one of the film's message is the same this being an old female environment is harmful to women yeah well I think it's it's a matter of choice it's not because it's if you choose to be an old woman great fame Steph's friend Morris this is none of their choice none of them have made the choice for this debate our lives and then the common presence because they have nowhere else to go they're the only ones left there's just these five students laughed because they have nowhere else to go they're teacher aides there because her hands are tied you know while others people say she can't go anywhere we had so many of the shots of them looking out into the outside world and they could see fines off in the distance at one point I could ever battle happening off the distance and it was clearly given what they saw when they looked out and I was actually people out there given it was always so which is it seems to me very clearly coating the outside world is male and and the mystic inside space is female as far as the thing that led to that that led to suffering was that a male was brought into the all female aspects as president just not very simple structure could have been saying when all female spaces it constituted a drastic and radical breaking of that structure is only going to lead to pain and conflict as if the film was just saying it would have been a more gradual process they are very much tied to the only time they seem to leave the grinds a south brief moment where they deposit the body and then they made it a year back in that gives him a S. C. only one Hey guess sort of anywhere close to the outside world I couldn't tell if the forest was part of the estates or she was going beyond me that was deliberate and it seems that these women were the landscape that they were having to interact with it was the landscape of the immediately surrounding the house inside the wall of the property as well as the landscape those outside as well and so it was a porous environment and that those those first few shots for any brings money back and you can see that there's there's already plans that growing up columns the outside world is is encouraged her to my house source about three condemning it and these people who don't seem to have realized seven in there so long and natures calming Tatum and nature being both the pond life but also the mail coming in being brought in to the fact that they then use nature to get rid of it changes the significance of magic as early on it's the thing that baffles to try to keep arms but then later on it's the thing they have mastery of the permits them to actually resist this encouragement but again that's a ceremony from apple saying it's the for button for each extra mushroom she should make I don't know if it's almost six of snow white traversal that's wild birds the poisons things from nature and social centerstate forever brings a kind of peace to the highest and yet here much in turmoil because they have to live without them and their sort of cramped in their presence in the final show of the right side that they're inside their freedom to and get some columns there barge and even though there are eight sites there are arranged or something a bottle of soda he can sense eating it he wants to eat them because he's allowed to believe that they're safe so he can sign stating them offered to him that's definitely something pleasurable for him and he has four because he keeps taking the pleasure of all things that are offered to him and the nourishing things that are offered to him he takes us so much emissions of him drinking alcohol so it will expose if it's got a garden of Eden allusions in F. one are going to be the messages is that women are not to be trusted it's probably coming from not traditional rating of the garden of Eden of the virgin whore dichotomy which the older of the swimming girls except that you know is that tension between the two it's not really about him it's he's just a catalyst for those baser instincts and they aren't allowed to have both they're not allowed to have something in between I have to have bottle uses a different kind of civil war it's a different kind of internal war that's going on in these women so there's just more reaching right side each for legitimacy for property for nation for I tend to date on a national scale but inside its identity of I'm a good Christian but I really want to fuck somebody hit him time gates Christian and I'm a good woman but I have hires I have the experience thank fun I mean it's one of the youngest kids one of the youngest girls he actually has the idea of killing him she's the one with murderous intent on applying set ahead and the matriarch of this family you know girls and women from swift I think it in me to do the betting so this is in many areas of life giver she is one C. of C. on the most here's her latest Saddam all that she say yes and she even getting soldier necking after him it reminds me very much of that in the spirit of to be high because she does something very similar where she feeds an enemy soldier he is injured and taking refuge she looks after him Senate diverges buffs there's just something about the girl child's being nurture and then the girl child's best nurture being turned by outside forces into something else and J. a potential death career seemed kind of weaponized in a way they weaponize her could it be then that the relevance of the garden of Eden allusion is that this is sort of a delivery alludes to another story in order to show how different it is from that area story because this is one in which the subject of the story is the character is the villain in the first one in the area turn the biblical garden of Eden story so this because that's just well the moment on what it's like to actually be that person in this particular environment in a kind of going back and re re writing it from the girls point of view but that's the thing because she's made out to be the land but she's as much a victim as anybody and not original story it's just she's actively and %HESITATION may not support comes from yeah but it's over elect that Adam consents he unwittingly consents to something that's detrimental to him and she doesn't realize that it's detrimental to both of them she's innocent she thinks she's doing the right thing in me thanks she's doing the right thing she thinks she's saying the right thing when she sees him she thinks she's doing the right thing when she's told to go and collect the motions that will kill him so this is a child who has been weaponized she's the sort of interesting reversal of AT and t's Snow White possibly as well and away with if any is in an even issue character then this corresponding other characters and it was this this the snake in the garden that prompt that told me to do it is it just me or did you hear about all state police as an assigned task because maybe it I thought I heard from all things nice some of the subject is just a single rather he seemed not held for about fifteen seconds but it's certainly a folks next for me right Sir which I think the visit meaning was that miss Martha respect because sneaky character I don't know I mean I think they should benefit and all of them that's the thing it's it's sort of spread across all the most thank you rich Sanders no one clear cut character faithful go motivations are ambiguous I think AMA yes it is sort of I think she's the closest to the victims and the film because she seems to genuinely want to just help everybody all the time and she's the one who gets times for doing good things she's the one who gets sent arsenal the journeys she's the one who gets sent out to state that the ride and he catches her and of course I mean it's just like you know she's only just start there and he's right there I could she now notice him but it's deliberately contrived it files that she's the one who she's genuinely just trying to help everybody and do the right thing and keep everybody else safe and healthy as possible and she keeps getting punished for it and she has to live with a faster he briefly became a supernatural yeah absolutely horrible at that point he says he just suddenly that and then there was a moment where you chase them into that phone and this month a month and trying to help her and then there was some time when they were already in the phone before she got that and I was thinking %HESITATION I was getting my yeah to see this film will go that I thought that this well actually I. phones are going to see your face hang in or could you get here screaming I thought both of China's gotten but then he seemed to genuinely be hurt because he had told her you're my best friend died of everybody here you've been looking up to me and I appreciate you know he it seems like he was genuinely hurt and I'm angry that his friend betrayed him it's really hard to tell if he is genuine or it's part of the manipulation that's part of him the guiding them but not simply getting a title is we don't know who the guy lives as I said one of them is that all of them and %HESITATION having a character reversal as drastic as his where he's he's nice he's polite bit horny doesn't seem to be actively trying to force anyone to do anything that I want to do and then suddenly he wakes up after having lost his leg and he's now the villainy switched to being a villain that's partly reflected in the make up of making his face looks so pale after the amputation that was some impressive stuff I do on the %HESITATION couple seems to resist using digital tools that others are jumping on do you think she's the film's incentive from it would be interesting to know because the fact that the east so much black it was suggested it was still from the telephone because city from I gather even now the film is just slightly better than digital cameras for registering differences between different shades of black right and that this account was actually back to the city from virgin differences between them this is a different shades of white %HESITATION I think you know if you can do something which has lots of different blacks and greys in it you see but one thing that did seem to have been done digitally with this was at certain points taking out as far as like there's parts where he's walking away from the camera on its face a bill that they could have Houston I'm peachy body double this is the whole book to be written on I'm pretty body doubles yep staircase there's a small population of people who can do these acting jobs I remember watching listening to actor common trees for a short of the dad the same cannot silently use interactive %HESITATION PT after show up every day and that they think the wedding Graham yeah yeah but this is a guy who yeah here's a guy who had lost his was a lost is on a biking accident and seventh if for the for the film had to be made up basically looking as he did on the worst day of his life there was one sure when they're coming out the bond I thought that's not Colin Farrell's body shape I think that's probably a body double for them because there's also shops where you can see his face seemed to just be a simple economics at the service of him looking down it is so Facebook although %HESITATION I didn't see that any such person mentioned in the credits yeah you just don't get credited even for them well it's probably falls under crying doctors work it's minutes worth of film probably I would say I don't know for sure but I would guess that she sort of director Haley with pepper and camera the facts rather than anything CG I kind of felt very real it felt very visceral most of the time thank you rich and you know and when they're stretching halfway because you're wincing with pain of hers you know it's really I mean I love the budget has gone on thank set up so we can find a fax for discounts the noises this is the cover is known for visual aspects of what she does but sound design seems to be just to see I think that the sign designer and they had it %HESITATION I think a notice to CM editor Los Angeles station on the battles you know so I think they deserve quite a bit of credit as well because of the signed and that's what I was doing a lot of heavy lifting and the editing is but I think because there's such an emphasis on the cinematography when there are cuts because their fear and further between them may become accustomed to these days that's maybe not less noticeable but it's exquisite work it's really beautifully done and then the parts where it becomes slightly fanatic like the greedy oppressive sex scene from self my heart beat rose I kind of felt caution must be so were you know life I felt the kind of facts from it it was effective so little research tells us to wrap this up with stuff we have to look into that more number of sounds which all screens have your account yeah how many cells on the skin hi this space is extended by the sciences how many shots how much screen time is occupied by a group of seven women all sitting still all seven of them in the front and some sort of group composition yeah there's a really interesting one I think after the dinner and you can barely see Colin Farrell's face behind them because their work or showing the barrels quite brights and the pastels comite for probably the first time because they usually all are kind of shades of whites and creams before then but then it stopped FirstEnergy where a couple of them are wearing pastel colored dresses he's fired a perceptible you can just write see his face and the condo lights behind them supernatural fail to it yeah if you reason felt ghostly a lot of the time and one of them was that they women they %HESITATION the most they had it by way of contact with the outside world was occasionally having some actual humans breeze by and between referring to had her father in Richmond and if it was something which I have the whiff of she's mistaken he's publicly that about to reserve one else was they would have just lost everyone and so they were set to drift from yes Virginia that was the thing it's verging on horror times many times and I was wondering if it's going to is he or a day some sort of supernatural and say because the thing is is that most of these girls and women are wearing white most of times they're closely and Amy I think is the only one who wears any color consistently you know she wears a kind of strike they dress Mr Fred spent stuff she's the only one with consistent color and then add way net toward fans after hot her church of transgression with John it's the white in the box and that shoulders showing she space game wearing her sexuality but is still closely even so there's something about it there is something supernatural ability the hardy soon your bank the rather impress internet like ghosts haunting it there would be none the wiser if they've just been fixed for the time of purchase he has said yeah the release of property that exists occasionally see a few things %HESITATION from ours and which are very very very self sufficient since Aug third leading off the land even though it's brittle and they have to be careful Kelemen anytime third leading office there was a living off a huge one seven yeah it seems because there's booze all over yeah yeah so big on doing counts of how many shots of the film and what percentage of flu shots contain appreciable cafe mmhm it's not the coupler always looks at the camera because that's a keeper your example is always looking for a camera movement seems to be very restrictive that's your strands but it's it's there but it's restrained eighty you you notice the difference between Boston translation for things were kind of floaty and they sent me %HESITATION during and wondering if I any real focus but here it's it's focused its purpose it's considers its precise its restraints parabolic means fire this is the characteristics of what we would call in the ranks is that there is a slightly winsome narrator in lost in translation another major nexus slightly prowling found that missing that final shot as I find it fairly disturbing actually that very slow I was trying to work on aids I think it was definitely a former Tolley bells wondering is this on a crane because it seems quite high up or is it a very high Dolly just very slowly moving in I couldn't perceive any kind of same happening along with the dollar you think it was just a matter was wonderful kind of lance's say so long manager short man's because how much is in focus at the moment because the vicious something by hi this sites for encroaching it just felt like it was collapsing in the tightening on them you have his body you have the body and then they very carefully sewn him up and slowly creeps out of the frame but they're still trapped both within the gates and you you've got the three five Q. three rye coming off the U. tied on the tickets as well marking him as an enemy boldly and box and for him to chopped in the gates to convert doesn't go inside again at films and from eight sites the estate specter also within the columns and their stock price they're not moving the police there they're not may thing or have some fairly small offices yes within the phone might be going you will I'll have the opportunity to stop being Christmas and all it needed was for years just open our minds to this will be accepted and maybe you can just apply for them but you didn't and it all went wrong here is how the negative things going to be from now on making the film a kind of roughly eighty five minute hiatus between their initial imprisonment fines first thing because they were present before but normally I can they face anyone on the outside world's given what they've done vision mantle around them dying in this awful war and he knows that their own soldiers will even get back to them or not because they're saying they have their own survival to think about it they may never pass back there again they may be trapped there forever but fast Corp site site tickets trapping the man really think they seem to be quite confident even though the nose of the south of these in the world he's in a car confident that Confederate troops will be possibly sometime soon and the if the film was to keep happening when a couple of those one of her now seemingly quite routine which is terrific for a few hours ago four zero conflict that day you know some of these jobs for some reason the confident that it'll just be golf the next term effects or binding them the film the scene together no we're not gonna do that anymore it's gonna be them starting it back for a fifth finally crafted throughout let's listen to the whole five civic couple in conversation with Omar thing off the Boston coach right she gets like five words in he does lots of just recording what everyone did and she says of those things she praises her hair and make up people and that's it yeah I wonder she's a behind the counter person and he's an old sage of an actor hello point performer and then Egypt so he's gonna talk about that because she has a name that sellable but that's her second film and his name is very sellable people will go and watch a film for him they won't have heard of anybody else involved in it you know when I can write for the gold about merry and he started today quite a fee and decided that time because he just hates because he started to work with Wes Anderson and he did broken flowers as well which was quite a forgettable film but he was saying off to different and days and not more unusual films he was very KM strong supports this have more styles than books in translation of his car hi credibility industry clearly she's learned that at this point but I do wonder is this one of those examples of having three major stars in your film bringing back catalogs I would say the forward because our findings well known yeah the files so it's safe for a single form for most of the film and all these people bring back catalogs with them which is mixing in color as to the whole meaning repertoire the film which aren't welcome because you know the point where I said you mentioned final is exactly what Nicole Kidman has to do it in far away but should only be consigned to the dustbin of film as some awful how it's the Irish accents make me angry Chris soules snowstorms I have but so she's got quite a week she look in this is going is that from previous roles she's played in court which she writes with some developers are sister without phone in there which is they were sisters coming remember recently go given his team the world's people he just gets thinner and thinner she gets older and she's quite tall very fan she's got a lot of tall elegance but the treaty stated facts skill marmite sh saying it took a while to believe that he was actually going for me because he's usually such a comic five respond not really I mean he I think he's got quite a range within the phone versus yet no I think he's got quite a range because and saving Mr banks he becomes quite violent alcoholic you and he's a straight man seen our sugar industry yeah the company member but he says JDM I thank pretty sure he's gone astray accent you Emma Thompson place should road use Robert Kaufman's for some reason I keep thinking PZ something better yeah it's S. and she used her initials she the husband who she left us in ages before she even started no he was her father straight yeah she took on an RP accent a lot of people don't realize she was a stray again he'll travel or something and he was her father and her flashbacks to her childhood in Australia and Mister banks and my Poppins is based on him because the whole premise of saving Mr banks the film is exploring hi she was because it's a bite the adaptation by Disney Colin Farrell he thought sympathetic figure because he clearly raided offices daughter and she idolizes him but he's not a holic he messes everything up the family is destitute because of him he keeps plays in this job because he keeps during can mess everything up and the bank he's working out and drinks himself to Bolivian dies young that's our thing and he placed out wonderfully case fell of joy but the tide and you're seeing the prospects of the tiles pointed PA but you're getting glimpses of the outer worlds through the eyes of the child and as an adult you can read what's going on that actually he said that he felt the soft the sea world's poorest children both had spared his real life smarter shambles and he's very into life surface wife and children if you could make for the Goa old would you have const your full main characters using stones I thought really something I've thought about it because it's never going to happen but about script writing civic of the shoes now you have sufficient standing to get four styles the player for mankind Tencent ours because these are actors Hary very quickly for me they became their characters somebody like Kirsten Dunst has been neon as being a garland ideas for the flash woman and her phones this is someone who has worked with flowers from trader she's a very mature actress and she became a mature actress at a young age in a similar way to Scott Johnson five say Christian Thompson has matured much more in terms of her roles she's played very serious roles in play characters who %HESITATION for pick before the move will cost via illness versus the discriminations and can you get funding from the studio if you haven't got stars annual yeah the packaging usually else and it's kind of nice in summer because then you've got these up and coming young child actors to style and if you're carrying heavy stuff and doing it very well because that was when my friend VS Marius is the character and the way she says yes by the mushrooms and CSS YH I'd recommend a sentence and then Nicole Kidman reciprocates thought you know there's just unspoken understanding between them all a rising actress who plays Murray is called Addison right I think for people born in two thousand four books instincts she paid herself in twenty four things how may face she's impressive because she did some serious eye accessing and not saying what should not go unnoticed really fantastic cast so would have that gravitas but the older more experienced doctors did not overshadow they became their characters you know they became absorbed in the characters you know I wasn't taking care Saddam strength okay man I was speaking at Edwina and since March %HESITATION this L. funding requests from the resemble parking ticket sometimes you see images of her and I think I have to do a double take because I think that puts me in mind of Cary Mulligan I don't know let's say you're thinking of there's something about %HESITATION %HESITATION knows I think it's similar the same kinds hanging miles from fans then you just makes them look worried I once promoted faster than my idols in my experience there is a local art college the short film I found a bunch of guys it was basically you can spot for his photo was Michelle from about a bunch of guys who are trying to hide from the cops for pay off your microbit gone wrong and one hundred short and they were just shouting at each other in a basement all three dogs were cursing the rise of improvising kind of spend all night out Karen Warren I greet each other and what we did is we just goes into the atmosphere of the scene respects either I don't think we're doing something which has so much artistry it must be so important to get right we have not finished doing that to us we're not going to hi tack good understanding which is completely different from what we've just been active just for everyone's probably sort of freedom and up over getting polluted Barbie yanks the countess replying because everyone just end up in the conflict so I'm particularly skeptical you want you don't want kids to be going after that so much time and it was six weeks of just after health workers will settle into a kind of growing into caring for six weeks of professional acting with members of intensity for four months of two different rest and difference well if you find our discussion of the book I'll interesting or useful please share it and subscribe to the podcast so you never miss any of our episodes they're gonna be in different formats we're going to try lots of different things alright sometimes the baby these kinds of post screening discussions sometimes 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