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Audiovisual Cultures episode 98 – Just Chat Positivity with Uncle Dominic automated transcript of full live recording


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well hello and welcome to another episode of audiovisual cultures a very warm welcome if you’re joining us on the live stream or the replay after as well um it’s quite a rare event when i do a live recording like this it’s quite exciting and um i’m doing this because of my guests today which i will talk to you about in a moment um so audio visual cultures if you’re joining us for the first time it’s a podcast that looks at all the nooks and crannies of creative practice arts and humanities research and cultural production it’s a very borderless approach to looking at cultural phenomena just the sort of thing that we’re doing right now um so i’m your host paula blair and i am really excited to be joined today from tapai taiwan by my guest uncle dominic to talk about live video casting and wherever else our chat takes us and we’re going to talk probably mainly about dominic’s show just chat with uncle dominic but we’ll we’ll see where everything takes us so i’m going to bring uncle dominic in now hello welcome hello everyone i’m uncle dominic thank you for inviting me to your podcast paula you’re so welcome yes it’s uh it’s so great to connect with you and um i’m i’m loving your outfit i’m loving your spider-man hoodie that you’ve got on there

i love spider-man a lot because it has the the one of famous quotes right saying uh we with great power comes great responsibility so so it’s a good thing excellent yeah yeah he’s probably one of my favorite as well um so i’m like you’re so welcome and would you be happy first of all to tell us a bit about yourself just introduce yourself and tell us the sorts of things that you’re working on and then we’ll try and get into a bit more detail about those for sure well hello everyone i’m uncle dominic um right now i’m i actually have my own show on twitch and also on youtube under uncle dominic’s story time or in just chat with uncle dominic um what i do uh that is just part of my part-time job kind of so because i want to bring like more motivation to the world and more things because i’m an educator in taiwan so i teach i teach in schools public schools and private intuition as well and so one of my friends actually came to me one day and said dominic you have all these great you know telling stories and talking to people um why don’t you have like your own podcast and i was like what i can do that i said sure you can do it you can try and so that kind of you know put me into the map so i started doing this and i’ve been approached by a few people about talk to talk about motivational stuff uh things that we can help uh younger generations so that’s what i’m excited about right now to you know to help younger people with their questions in life and so uh yeah so that’s why i’m doing this for once right so yeah that’s so that’s a little bit about myself um and education i’m i’m just a teacher uh in a school nobody’s just a teacher it’s a very important thing today my mom i’m always gonna say you’re just a teacher why aren’t you a doctor i’m like oh well you know teachers well who teaches doctors to do anything hello that’s true right so yeah you’re very important people of course you are vital people what do you teach dominic um in taiwan i actually teach english language right so i teach the language english here um yeah so uh but before when i was in the states i used to work as a photographer and i teach people how to do photography and so back in the states but yeah so i’ve been in taiwan for 14 years now so in taiwan i i cannot teach photography here because they are actually much better than me and language barrier-wise so that is a problem and so yeah so i verge into teaching education and i thought that’s actually pretty helpful as well with a little bit from my background as well so yeah because my mom used to be a teacher uh in the school a long time ago so yeah it’s kind of i guess you could say it runs in the family somehow right okay oh that’s brilliant so yeah so your your vocation very much is feeding the work that you’re doing with your video casting on twitch and youtube then that’s right yeah yeah great so um yeah i suppose there’s quite a lot to get into then because you know you’ve mentioned language and then you’ve and i know that from watching some of just chat you’re most of your guests are are in asia somewhere and um you know so i was i was quite keen to know um you know how you how you get guests and i think it’s quite useful if there are other podcasters and video casters watching that’s something we can talk about is those connections that people make uh like right now i’ve been approached by a few um shows as well like like you approach me and they all liked the motivational part that i i’m putting it out so i feel like yeah so that’s what it is it’s a start so i told my wife i was like some i got invited again for another as another guest at another show and i was like so does that make me famous i feel like no it’s it’s it’s good that people are seeing the motivational things and try to put it out there right because i i try to do so much right and i can only get so much viewers and but i want to do this because i want you know younger learners well younger generation they need to to hear this sometimes and so i do this at school at my own schools as well like when i teach even though i’m teaching english i will teach a life you know life to my students and if they’re experiencing certain problems i told them you can always come to me i can help you if i cannot help you i’ll try to find some ways or someone else for you to talk to or share with them my life experiences as well um i would not say i have a perfect life and i will not say i have the the lowest of life but you know i i go through life just like everyone else everyone has problems so that’s why i want to put it out there in the sense of more real you know just like realness in struggle so i have my own struggles and some the guests that i invited on my show so far most of them have their own problems in life but they are very motivated to to share what they know and which is good because we can see real life struggles and share it to the world and at the same time you know share it to the world how we overcome them or with the knowledge that we have do you guys say what i’m saying paula of course yeah that makes a little sense yes and and i think it’s really refreshing to have and maybe this ties in with the persona of uncle dominic as well it’s really refreshing to see more men especially opening up over those sorts of media because um i feel like we’re very slowly encroaching on macho cultures and men aren’t supposed to talk about their problems they’re supposed to just get on with it and that’s repeated across many different cultures um so it’s really it’s quite great to see young men taking on a and i think what your uncle dominic title does is it it’s it sort of highlights okay i’m in a caring role and it’s does it you know so it’s um it’s making it more acceptable for men to be able to do that and um you know that it’s it’s quite useful actually for all of us to lay these things on the table and say we’re all going through this stuff but this is how we can have resolve and get through really challenging times and how we can respond to them so it’s it’s quite you know it’s a nice show to listen to to just hear oh that this person has overcome that adversity in that way um or this thing happened in their life and that was how they confronted it you know and it doesn’t mean you know it’s not the way that influencers say you should just revolutionize your life it’s not it’s it’s real life stories that people are telling you so i think that’s been really useful to hear i like to influence the influencers right right now in this generation i’ve never seen it before but it’s it’s been picking up like crazy like everyone wants to be an influencer on instagram tiktok um on all those platforms i mean they’re showing something for for the people in the world to see but most of the times what they show are not real right they show it because they want to sell stuff sell their brand for me i have nothing to sell so all i have is i want to share my experiences right and for other people to see and so it is like you said it’s very hard for for men to open up uh so far most of my guests guests are men so which is pretty interesting so uh most of the women actually turn turn down the show like they don’t dare to come on because they’re shy so in this case in my in my in my podcast most of the most of the guests are guys so which is very interesting in some ways but like you said it’s very difficult for us to open up even for me to actually start this i have this idea to to share this for almost over a year i’ve never done it it’s just i never dared to put it up never there to record myself you know and just i was like oh what should i do what should i do eventually you know just a tiny little push from one of my students it’s like you know you can do this why don’t you do it i was like really i should do it yeah and that’s where i picked up you know so that’s where i go from there uh but i’m not gonna say it’s all smooth you know it’s not smooth i’m trying to put motivational things out there but there are so many bad things in the world so it’s still it’s still a hindrance but you know we we have to move on like keep on you know like trials right this trials there’s stones in front of us we just have to go over the stones right just keep moving eventually you know eventually the world will get better i hope right people will get better more people will be more motivational um inspire more confidence in their life right that’s what we need because i think young people right now needs more confidence in their life so they can overcome uh certain trials right um yeah so yeah i don’t wanna talk too much no well that’s why i invited you on my podcast was to talk to me so talk away um no no it’s it’s great i mean i mean it’s great that you have that emphasis on talking to younger people and that you know of course is from your background as a teacher in schools but i find and maybe some of your guests find this as well that even as an adult there are things you don’t hear as a child that maybe you needed to hear but you don’t learn them until you’re well into adulthood and so i’m very open to the idea of having almost a second childhood and you know actually just relearning some of that when you’re at a time in your life where you can really understand it and apply the learning you know so i’ve i find it useful to to listen to the stories that people are telling on your show as well um yeah so i mean i i think yeah i think any of us at any time of our lives you know even if we’re around the same age you can be that almost parental generation person to a friend you know at times because i think there are times when we can revert to our childhood state and i think especially the way the world has been this past year so i think probably a lot of us have had to facetime a lot of maybe early drama and things yeah it’s difficult like with the covet 19 in the world right now everyone’s um the profession has to change the you know like for example my pay wise my uh my salary is actually cut in half because uh my income is has been cut enough because of covered 19. and i still have rents to pay children to feed you know families feed and then taxes and stuff and all those things but uh these are what what we say uh you know like negative stuff in the world it affects us but it just depends on how we see it right if we can change the perspective of how we see things uh we we can be better in some ways right and so that’s the one reason why i want i want to start my podcast because i want people to try to see things differently because i tend to see things differently sometimes like see different perspectives but of course it’s not always what people want to hear you know for example i have children on my own so i have three kids and so i’ll tell my older son don’t play too much computer right don’t use it too much your eyes you’re gonna break your eyes right so and he’s like no it’s not i’m not gonna break my eyes you know it doesn’t it doesn’t work like that i was like yeah it does look i’m wearing glasses but those kind of logic does not help you know and so we have to tend to try to look at a different perspective by saying okay son i like your spending time on the computer maybe there’s something you can show me that you’re doing well on the computer so you know things like that so like the other day he showed me his uh was it that thing that he made on his what minecraft you know young younger gen the games that they play i was like wow so you made a house okay so something like that maybe we just so as a parent or as older people we need to kind of try to see things differently you know but i guess it’s also affected in culture because we i had a talk the other day with uh on my chat um we’re talking about the asian culture versus the west western culture right okay where for example if the western uh let’s say the western culture a kid from the western culture when he when he or when he or she falls down the parents were like go pick them up or not right so when they pick them up or they will say are you okay are you all right is everything fine right but for asian countries a bit different like when when a kid fall down the first thing you’ll hear is like why did you fall down you know why did you run too fast i told you so you know so it’s kind of like a different upbringing right so there is good and bad of course but i tend to like if we if we as parents are able to see things not negatively like oh are you okay like towards another person more caring i think the younger generation will actually have you know better childhood i guess right uh i mentioned a lot younger generation because i’m pretty old right now i’m around 40 right so i can say people younger than me yeah so yeah so yeah um so things like that so that’s what i want to say and i want to tell people but of course it’s not good to hear it sometimes the younger people will feel like it’s like nagging you’re nagging me right so i kind of want to bring it out in a more reality form that you know these things does happen to it happens to everyone so i want to talk about it happens to everyone we cannot hide it we have to uh you know break break through the wall you know and share it now as as a as a man it’s difficult for me like for example it’s hard for me to show my feelings to my wife sometimes like she’s like yo you don’t hold my hands anymore and it’s like ah why don’t i hold my hold on my whole hands i don’t know why it’s just it’s not like i’m a touchy feely kind of guy you know it’s hard to open up sometimes so um doing this podcast actually helps me as well because i feel like if i do good out there good will come back if i motivate people i will motivate myself as well right um just like there was a youtuber that i was watching the other day he told us he said everyone has the same amount of time in a week what we do in that time you know brings brings a success or differs between different people so if i wake up in the morning the first thing i do is i look at my cell phone and go through instagram or whatever instead i could have used that you know few seconds in the morning when i wake up look in the mirror and say i’m gonna do well today so that actually brings a little bit of impact to your own life and to you know anyone’s life right or if you if you’re a kid and you’re in a house if you wake up in the morning instead of going downstairs and say hey mom what’s for breakfast you could say hey mom good morning right did you stick well things like that i mean it’s just a small tiny thing that can actually brighten a person’s life like a person’s attitude like if i actually if my kids actually wake up in the morning say say hey dad good morning i was like oh i feel good you know i feel good not not a whole good but still good all right it’s just one step upon one step we build upon opponent it’s just one tiny happiness about another happiness eventually you know i feel like eventually everything will fall into place and everything will picks up from there so it becomes like a seventh habit right a habit right yeah yeah good good habits yeah that’s really nice no no no it’s it’s good yeah um no because i think these these things all tumble into one another i think and i suppose with some yoga’s with your show it’s a way of just doing that on a more public level and it feels that because you know i mean we’re we’re both fairly small shows you know i’m not gonna pretend that this is a you know multinational conglomerate conglomerate or anything like that well that’s the thing right that’s why i feel right when i first started it i always took how many viewers do i have you know how many people are watching this and i try to promote my channel so i was like and then someone actually told me it’s not important how many viewers you find it’s more on what you show and what you give you know so if i’m giving good stuff good vibes to people i feel like if one person gets it i mean that’s good enough right so and he actually said that eventually eventually you know or may not but eventually one good will bring another good so you might get in 18 months or two years later your channel is going to blow up you know so but i guess most people are looking at the quick way of making money or whatever but i feel like this is not about making money this is more about you know sharing my motivation or motivate people out there you know one or two that’s i think that’s good enough i mean if there’s more great if there’s even more you know even better but it it has to pick up from somewhere you know because we talk about money right money money spent okay i don’t think people will actually spend money to go to a course to get a motivational course like for example if i’m having a seminar for uh two thousand dollars you pay two thousand dollars to come come to my two-hour seminar of of being happy i mean who would do that right i’m sure there’s gonna be rich people who like do not have have time in their life so they’ll spend two thousand dollars to go to this kind of seminar sure but this is not about that this is more about we need we are giving uh positive things out there throwing more positive things out there because there’s too many bad things out there in school so i just want to do a little bit all right just like this there’s a story right there’s a story about the the boy and the starfish on the beach did you have you heard that story before it sounds familiar but please do tell it right so there there is a boy right that walks walks on a beach and he saw all the little starfish on the beaches right so what he does is he picks up one and throw them back into the ocean right picks up one throw them back to the ocean and someone actually go to him and say why do you do that you know there are so many starfish you’re not gonna you’re not gonna be able to help them all so the boy replied well for this one it matters right so we’re actually doing one step at a time throwing starfish back in uh it doesn’t matter we cannot save everyone but we can save who we can so pretty much like do what we can right and i had a guest yesterday um yesterday on tuesday um he actually mentioned to me dominic we cannot control everything everything is gonna happen we just have to do our best i was like yeah that’s it you said it pretty well we have to do our best what we can do just do it you know if we cannot do it you know why worry you know we should just do what we can so that’s it right i feel like in life it’s we get stuck sometimes we get stuck about thinking about we can’t do this we can’t do this this problem but we shouldn’t think about why we can’t do this we should be thinking about what can we do you know not the part that we cannot do right just like the saying of uh do we see the glass as half cup full or is it half glass empty all right so yeah did you did you get what i’m saying yeah um i was wondering as well uh because i think it might be useful for i think as i say for anybody else who’s doing this kind of work is um actually choosing a platform on which to do all of that you know so there’s the work itself but then it’s um how do we decide how we put it out into the world so you’ve been doing live shows at set times and twitch isn’t that right right and um and i’m quite interested in that because i i i watch live streams of talks you know and you know people presenting talks and things on twitch and it started out i believe as a more of a gaming platform so people just watch yeah um so i was wondering about you know your decision to do that kind of show on twitch and you know is that um you know is that the idea of it is to try and get that international instagram capture immediately i started on facebook right so i have this i have to i started on facebook and i was i was recording my uncle dominic story time so and so what i do is read english books and share it to my my kids and my students right and so i initially did it on facebook and eventually i felt like i need to do more i can do more i mean and so my my students told me yeah do a chat you know share your share your positive out you know to everyone i was like yeah i should do that but um i guess like i mentioned i’m pretty scared at first you know doing a recording is different doing a live stream is different you know being live with another guest is a different thing you might say the wrong thing and you cannot you cannot cut it out right it’s there yeah and so uh and the reason why i picked twitch at first was because i i had a trouble with using youtube i wasn’t very good at using youtube i couldn’t i don’t know how to actually turn on the live streaming on youtube so i had a hard time at first i was like oh it’s pretty difficult and someone said well try twitch i was like oh yeah i should try twitch and so i went twitch and i saw it was actually much easier to to live live stream on twitch and so i decided to try to live stream on twitch first and then record it and then edit a little bit of it and then put it on youtube so i can have both of both worlds and so and and put it in facebook as well but again um it’s not it’s not gonna make money for four for one but it’s more like i’m putting things out there um hopefully some it will change someone’s life and someone will approach me and say thank you dominic uh your show helped me so you know something like that just like as a teacher like i i teach i’ve been teaching students in taiwan for 14 years um i don’t many thank yous for one but i do get occasionally where some students come to me um give me a flower and say you changed the way i think about english you change the way i think about life i was like ah thank you that’s it that’s all i want to hear you know as an educator that’s how i feel i did something i hear a little bit good that means it’s motivated me to do more to help others and maybe that person that i help actually help more people so in this way it’s a win-win win for me win for them right and yeah so this will be better yeah those ripple effects say you know that that drop that just ripples out that sounds like yeah yeah that’s great yeah that’s interesting about twitch because i’ve considered it as well and i just haven’t been too sure because i think i think you’re right i mean you know i i’m using a stream yard right now to to do this on youtube because it just is so much easier and you’ve got a bit more control with them with what you can do and um yeah yeah with stream yard and you know and i don’t have a huge following on youtube as well and i think with twitch it’s really nice because you actually you down on the sidebar you’ve got this ticker of who’s streaming and how many you’re watching and and you can actually just click on stuff you you it might suggest things that are similar to the thing that you’re watching you can go around one that you like yeah exactly yeah so it’s actually it seems that people are people’s what people are streaming is more findable on twitch so i do wonder if that’s something i should consider sometimes for this show but i think for me i’m primarily edited audio so you know i just like to do this sometimes because it just it’s just a bit different you know and then somebody like you you’re very happy to come into your life recording on video you know not not all of my guests like their video to be used so um right so that’s the thing i feel that i shouldn’t hide in a way i should share it you know and because if i hide myself most of the time if i have problems i hide it it’s gonna the problem is gonna pick up right um i i learned that from my dad actually my dad’s a little bit different uh he has lots of problems in his life but he never tells me his problem never and so every time i see him he’s happy you know he’s enjoying life he’s doing well but he has so much problem i didn’t know that only when he he left this world and then i start you know picking things up from his friends or whatever and i realized oh my gosh my dad has so much problems in his life but he didn’t share it and so because he didn’t share it in in this way i felt like i don’t know what to do when this happens so i feel like i need to put it out there in case you know if i die one day my children be like oh look look i’m on youtube oh my dad is still here you know things like that so they can learn something from me in the future like you know so i feel like i shouldn’t hide so much like i feel yeah you know hiding it’s it’s it’s good to help you but i feel like we should you know share it most times like you know like the concept of writing down your journal or your diary right right so here’s the thing that i always ask why do we write it down on a journal diary do we don’t want others to read it or do we secretly want someone to read our diary or journal why do we write it down you know and we put it at places where it’s reachable by anyone you know so there has to be a reason why journals and diaries existed is it because when we pass on from these lives someone will actually read our diary and journal to find out what’s going on so that’s not a secret anymore so why do we actually do it right i think it’s because we are shy but we secretly want someone to read our journal and read our diary so they can enjoy our life in in some ways right

it’s a process it’s an outlet for it so even if i mean i think for me the idea of the finished your full diary with every page written on it for me that’s the legacy of what was the live act of the sharing you of getting it out of your system and then whatever happens with that happens with that you know um i suppose in a way it’s an archive for yourself of your own memories and and this kind of thing it’s you’re creating an archive for yourself and then for your your children and um you know so you you leave a legacy and it is an interesting i don’t know if it’s a bit morbid that thought overnight it’s going to be full of our ghosts someday you know the documentary will be around longer than we will for sure and then it’s such a lovely thing to think that you know in a hundred years time somebody might still be benefiting from what we put out into the world which is really interesting that’s that’s why i feel like you know what we put on right now might not affect anyone so much like not many viewers but eventually one day you know someone will watch it and you know change something like you said an archive it’s definitely an archive we have to look at the generations now everything is internet now right everything is is computerized so if if we don’t move on with the times we’re going to be stuck behind you know like if i share all my motivational stuff or my strugglings in life in a diary in my journal who’s going to read it you know one day if if my house get burned down like no one’s going to be able to read it and so i need to put it up there so you know on the internet on the web i think that’s the best way to put things out and i notice there are there’s not a lot of people doing it but i do notice there’s a few and so i feel it’s better than none so so add adding more to it you know help out more yeah and um yeah i was wondering as well if you’d be interested in talking about the experience of you not just putting your own thoughts out there but but hosting a show where you facilitate other people putting their thoughts out there um but that experience that we’ve we’ve all had to do this past while of doing it remotely um i was wondering what how you felt about that and how that’s going for you um yeah if when i first started it um i actually pre i write down a lot of questions i want to uh thought provoking questions and you know and using some quotes like i mainly use a lot of quotes on my show so finding good quotes and sharing it out and asking for opinions uh using these quotes to talk with our guests or to my guests um because of this procedure i when i first started with my first few episodes it’s kind of i feel like well someone mentioned it to me um it’s kind of like i’m going through the process i should um slow it down and and take the examples and try to break it even deeper and so that’s what i’ve been trying to do for the last past two episodes um talking to my guests and actually um having less questions but more on trying to figure out the experiences that they had um you know the the share to others so we can actually dive deeper into more understanding of what things happen so um that process is i know gradually picking up so eventually i think right now i i’m in more comfortable zone um when i talk to my guests and asking them um certain questions to actually find out more about their life and their opinions because i know everyone has different opinions your opinion would not be the same as mine but um trying to bring it out out there into the open uh it’s a process but yeah so it’s all process you know at the same time i’m trying to learn how to use the computer how to live stream at the same time you know doing all those little gadgety things and my first episode was terrible out of terrible first episode out there i thought it was really good but it was not it was too much graffiti things are going around and then one of my episodes i tried to put a moving text on it and it eventually i made a mistake the moving text has actually audio on it so what we are discussing the text is still talking i’m like oh no i messed up so much and i realized i shouldn’t do so much of this graphic things on it because i need i need my audience to focus on what’s on the show what’s important which is their experiences so um yeah so finally i settle down with something more you know subtlety and then just focus only on what the my guest has to say and how we can talk about this questions right about this that we have because it’s important to actually to uh you know take someone’s thoughts and opinions and actually you know break it apart not break it apart isn’t bad but breaking apart and finding out why they think that way and how we can actually benefit from it you know so yeah so in in a sense i could say i should humble myself down and listen to my guests and try to figure out why they think that way

yeah that’s really interesting it’s interesting that you bring up your um your graphics because um you know i know the little um the little intro graphic that you have that you’re talking about and i think i really what i really appreciate it about it is it quite lays bare the process of making something like that because it’s you know it’s it’s more of a screencast of you putting it together and so it’s become you know it’s um if people go to your to you to your site i’ve put the link in the comments for your youtube channel if people go and have a look at that you’ll see what i mean where it’s it’s like you’re building it in the program and um and so it comes alive in front of you and um it’s as you say it’s i think any podcaster any video caster when they’re they’re just starting out it’s not perfect it’s you know there’s constant problems there’s it’s a total learning experience because we are amateurs doing this a lot of us and we don’t have that formal training in broadcasting so we don’t know how to hide a lot of that stuff or how to integrate things necessarily and so you’re learning all the time on the job and so it’s you know you should feel really positive if i thought that that’s part of the process and it’s normal and actually it’s quite endearing and it’s um it just shows you know there is work going on to producing something like this and i think audiences need to be aware of that that it’s not just a click a button and it happens it’s actually quite a lot of preparation on it so that’s the thing i was reading up another person he was telling he was he was actually advising all the youtubers out there and i thought this is a really good um advice right he said we should not put up content make content because we want people to see this content right we should make the contents evolve around us so that’s what he’s saying so he’s saying that he does not spend seven six days a week to record his content and you know five hours a day just to think about what he should put what should he record it should be more like recording his life and what evolves around him so i feel like that’s a great example and i and i do my recordings now recordings for my story time only on weekends when i have some free times with my kids and so when they are sleeping i’ll do my own story time and do the recording there but for live stream of course there’s certain time for it i feel like i need to have a certain set time for my guests to come in and talk about or for me to actually talk about some topics right so i feel like if we spend less time thinking about the process and more about the actual things that we are sharing i think in this way the audience can actually feel how you know real this is and at the same time experience it um actually be in the conversation with us um can you know yeah so it feels like they’re there listening to our conversation that’s going on about life and which is great because i know people out there are afraid to to talk afraid to voice out and so i feel like if we create these platforms that you you created your platform audio visual cultures and i’ve seen some comments and stuff and you have some great guesses but yeah this is it right this is it we put it out there not many people can voice out their opinions but there’s gonna be one or two that actually have an opinion and this will actually you know help you help us you know want to understand what’s going on all right um i actually like to watch one of the live stream um of a book author her name is sandra she wrote his book called uh always be happy right always be happy her book and so um she always live streams every other week all right and on it she talks about happiness right she gives a topic happiness and she waits for everyone to ask her questions about happiness and she answers them and so she breaks out a way to have the audience you know interact with her but you notice in the chat there’s so many people watching her but only five or six actually talk to her but i mean even the five or six there’s gonna be people that oh yeah i have the same question so there we go i don’t have to ask it again you know so if we put it out there we record the content because we want to share you know our life our experiences people will eventually want to see it want to hear it want to learn from it but i feel like if we put out you know comedy contents you know all these things sure people are going to watch it people are going to there’s going to be views more views on comedies and stuff it’s gonna but this is not what we want we’re focusing on oh oh this is not what i want i’m focusing on real life you know real life thoughts and you know things that can help us in our life in our daily struggles so it’s a different kind of genre right but still it’s different we’re not gonna i don’t think we’re gonna expect 2 000 viewers right how many views do we have right now actually i don’t see at the moment too

and hello to whoever you are and very welcome um yeah people have been coming in and i’d i think um we’ve had a maximum of three at any time while we’ve been doing this um but it’s quite early in the morning here in the uk and it’s i think just right at the end of the working day where you are in taiwan and america is not awake yet so you know it’s it’s just one of those things where um because it you you were saying you’ve got set times and that’s really good that’s a really good strategy if you’re doing a live show and because mine is mine is primarily edited audio as i say it’s more of a negotiation with the guest if there’s a guest on or when i have time and that sort of thing so this was just uh this was a sweet spot where we could both do this and that’s why we’re doing it at this time so um you know that’s that that’s just how that rolls but it’s great to see and i like i like putting i always put a video version of mine on youtube anyway because it helps with accessibility because you can use options um but it’s you have some of the feedback actually just as you say that um some really lovely feedback i’ve had is that people do really like seeing this they like seeing the conversation rather than just listening to it they’re like seeing the interaction of people on cameras yeah so so i think you know what you’re doing makes complete sense especially when you’re talking about things that are maybe quite emotional or life events and that sort of stuff because it’s just it is as if you’re in the room with those people and you’re having an intimate conversation you know so it’s not all planned it’s not all written down like i mean yeah it’s real life so like whatever is in my head i’m bringing it out so that’s what it is right so this way people can actually feel more you know like into it like it’s real this this advice is real it’s not it’s not a made-up advice where i’m looking at a script i’m not so yeah yeah you’re not going oh you you need to be happier in your life so you need to buy this product to do that you know it’s like this is a real life event this is the choice these are the choices you can make and how you confront that how you deal with that how you move on from that you know and um that’s really useful and i suppose it’d be nice to just quickly come back to that point you were making about you you tend to shape it around quotations that you find you know you you’ll take words of wisdom from maya angelou you know and quite common sayings and you know that sort of thing and get your guests to really think that through and go right well what does that mean to you how do you approach this and um and i think that’s a really nice way of shaping it as well and um i mean all the ones i’ve heard so far i think they’re from i think they’re i think they’re english sayings you know they’re in some form of english and or they’ve been written in english that sort of thing and i was wondering because um you said you you you lived in the united states for a long time and um i was just wondering about that um you know sort of why english and is that just the common language where you are for for all the different people yeah for english yeah i was just wondering a bit about that um i’m originally from malaysia i was born in malaysia okay so um but i was brought up in english environment so i speak you know completely english mostly english right um and so but my mom is my mom lives in australia and so i i’ve been in australia i live in the u.s before i came to taiwan so i’ve been living in all the english speaking countries right but taiwan is not english country so when i when i first got here it was a bit difficult with the language as well and so it’s just you know breaking the barrier of you know the language barrier so after the first couple years eventually i picked up some chinese and so yeah and so i’ve been here for 14 years so i’m able to go outside and buy food in in the chinese language and speak in chinese language but still it’s not my main language so sometimes i’m having difficulty in speaking it getting the right tone to it so that’s why most of my guests are all english speakers because i want to speak only in english because if i try to speak in chinese sometimes it’s difficult to do it although saying that i actually did one episode last tuesday live with a chinese speaker and someone told me dominic you should try doing one in chinese i was like oh man really it’s like yeah do it do it do it okay so i went around and tried to find some guests and i actually found one and he’s actually a retired teacher but i learned that he was also a counselor at school so i learned a lot from him and so but all this conversation is all in chinese so at the same time i felt like oh somehow my chinese has improved but the whole point is it’s not all about me right it’s all about the content what we want our viewers to see so i feel like you know language shh it’s a problem for you know but english is definitely out there people definitely knows english because i’m living in taiwan i feel like i should you know contribute a little bit to the taiwanese people by speaking a little bit chinese and get the chinese speakers to share their feelings because if i don’t know if you know this but there are a lot of motivational speakers in english but very little in chinese language yeah have you ever wondered why i’ve been thinking about it why yeah no go ahead yeah yeah it’s an interesting question well i i feel like let’s say that this way i feel like because the chinese culture of asian culture like we don’t like to give advice on things so much based on another person’s life for example if you’re if your life sucks okay your life sucks okay that’s it i’m not gonna go in there why does your life sucks right how can i help you with your life right and so but yeah so that’s why i guess that’s why there’s not many motivational speakers in chinese in the chinese language so having one out there actually helps out a lot as well i feel right so different language out there that’s so interesting um yeah teacher sorry i’m just trying to date with this echo just turn the mickey and dying to see if it helps um but uh yeah that’s so interesting um because i don’t know it makes me feel like well or does that just indicate that english speakers talk a load of nonsense all the time and is it more um practical to to or just you you’re just not getting into everybody’s business is it that kind of cultural difference but also as you say i think we were talking earlier about well it’s it can be a cultural thing whether you how much people share and what’s your internal life and that sort of stuff but yeah i think it is i suppose being that pioneering beginning to it and if you’re somebody who you come from this english-speaking background and then you’ve um you know you you’re trying to assimilate into uh you know a more chinese taiwanese area and then you know it’s you’re trying to marry up those cultures rather than you clash them i suppose is that right is that yeah well i feel like sometimes it shouldn’t be that way it should be like yeah but anyway it does happen because people tend to you know genderize or racialize that oh yeah there’s many western podcasters but there’s very little asian podcasters right and so there’s gonna be things like that but i feel like it doesn’t really matter in in the sense that who does it or you know what’s out there it should be like are you doing something to put it out there and so i’m doing something to put it out there are you guys doing something to put it out there i mean you know that’s that should be it right i’m very happy that paula is doing something out there as well right in your audio visual culture podcast and i’ve seen a lot of good stuff in it uh actually a lot of good stuff in it thank you yeah for me to compare up to you i i feel like i’m not up there yet i’m only on episode six right only episode six you know and so but you have like you know so it’s different so it’s more like i’m putting things out there and you are putting things out there so it’s all about you’re doing something on your part giving the best of you out there to the people out there in the world and i’m doing the best i can to the people out there in the world and i feel like english is because it’s a language that i speak so if i can speak in other languages then i’ll i’ll probably do those right but in in this in a sense english is the only one i speak right now and plus a little bit of chinese so and so if i can do those you know i would i would if i can do other languages like italian french sure if i can or japanese yeah but i cannot so for this case i will hope that there’s gonna be other japanese viewers out there who are interested in doing your own motivational podcast in japan do it you know that’s what we do that’s what we need that’s what people need you know we need to uh we’re not politicians i mean we’re not someone up there we cannot be in a government sharing our thoughts we cannot but we can show our thoughts in on on the web so people can actually see it um gain something from it learn or not learn from it you know yeah

great now that’s that’s really useful to hear yeah it’s it’s come up a few times when i’ve had uh buyer multilingual podcasters come and speak to me and um because there’s a guy who lives in switzerland but he speaks or not sister in sweden but he speaks english swedish and arabic so he does his podcast in whatever language his guest is happiest with and most of it is in english and it’s something i do wonder about is um you know is there provision for podcasting in all of the languages because it just feels that english is so dominant anyway globally and it has to be i feel like english is like the the global language right now right it’s like international language like everyone learns it because we we need to learn it and then you know yeah so like recently the last past two years two years ago yeah two years ago yeah two years ago taiwan said we want english to be the second national language in taiwan and so and everyone’s like what oh no wow is that possible you know and so it’s difficult to put a language as your second language right in your country and so because of that everyone almost everyone in taiwan are actually you know pick pacing things up by learning english and so a lot of english intuition into intuition are having lots of students and because they want to learn from it practice improve their english you know and there are lots of more foreign foreign teachers from other countries coming to taiwan to actually teach english i mean this is a good step i feel like english is important out there um before i used to think chinese and english is important because china has so much business opportunities for people to go there um but of course recently with a lot of you know political things happening in the world people are changing their mind oh we don’t want to go to china anymore we’re going to focus on different languages so i feel like it doesn’t matter right it’s more matters on what we want to learn like i feel like english is definitely important for me i like i like the the language english language and the japanese language and the chinese language and so i didn’t this two languages are great uh you know if you have those three languages i feel like you can go around the world and still do things of course i cannot go to italy but if i go to italy i’m sure they can still speak english they’re pretty sure right so yeah english is definitely we’re right so it’s a language that you have to learn you have to know it we don’t really have to like note 100 the language i mean it’s good enough to conversate and to get around i think that’s good that’s good enough right um okay now it’s just interesting to hear hear your thoughts about that i get i get worried that it’s much too colonial and um it’s taking over and i’m trying my best to learn different languages that aren’t english and but yeah it’s good to hear your perspective on it if you want to talk about colonization that’s a different whole point of view like i was in australia for a couple years before i live yeah my mom’s there now so um a lot of australians the older the the older generation they don’t like the japanese people because of the world war before right the war that had with the japanese and so when i was there they thought i was japanese so they don’t like me i was like i’m not japanese i’m not i’m not they i don’t believe you i don’t care go away you know so all these racial things is there okay but we we don’t want to feel that way i mean cause colonization happens you know people move to different countries it happens you know immigration you know these things happen you know so but we have to think about we are all humans right we’re just living in different worlds and trying to move and try to you know how do we say survive in this world right uh a lot of gamers out there love to play games like survival games right and so this is this is real life survival it’s like you find out what’s best for you and your family and you want to move there and you want to live there and so and yeah so that’s it you know we i have friends and families who want to move to the uk as well um and love australia i want to move to australia i mean this is what they feel you know if i feel like i like my life here in taiwan i’m here i’m still here i’ve been here 14 years so i definitely love it here and so but i’m saying you know it doesn’t matter where we go i feel like it’s just it’s all about yourself our own happiness and all our own thoughts right we if we feel like if we feel going to the uk is actually beneficial for me and my family then why not go do it right um go do make make your life there i’ve seen people done it so i’m not saying it’s bad i’m saying it’s what makes you happy go follow it and do it if it doesn’t makes me happy then why should i do it if i’m happy where i at where i am i should just stay here and you know focus on my life here but if i’m happy elsewhere then i should try to you know move on and do what’s happened you know happiness is actually important right it’s very important everyone’s everyone looks for it some some people cannot find it but it’s there we just have to actually you know dig deeper and find it okay that’s it yeah it’s really good to hear your thoughts on that um so uncle dominic is there anything we haven’t touched on say that you really wanted to put out there that you really wanted to tell people about it by any of your other work or or anything like that anything at all yeah uh well i think i touched on everything we pretty much talked on everything and i but if you do i do feel like for the viewers out there who are watching us right now watching this show um don’t be afraid to to ask questions don’t be afraid to go look for opportunities to improve yourself and to improve um if we talk about language improve your language but mentally improve what you think in your mind be positive you know be positive in life is i’m not going to say it’s easy to be positive in life it’s difficult it’s difficult every day i’m getting bashed down uh by negativity even today this morning even yesterday at work so it’s like that it’s going to happen you know bad things are going to happen it’s going to hit us um even while i’m doing my podcasting and doing my guest show it does happen but we should not let it drag us down we should not let drake’s down we should you know look at the positive side of things try our best to look at positive side of things and then you know yeah move on so to all of you guys out there i would like everyone to you know take the time you know you can come come to come to my youtube watch my watch my talk shows i’ll be as a guest in my talk show or at polar shows you know and well ask questions even even as a guest but just in as a viewer ask questions or email uh anything you know everything’s pos any there’s so many ways to communicate with us i mean that’s what i want people to know there are ways to help help everyone we just have to well there are ways to help everyone the the channels are there you just need to you know i know i cannot say take a pen and write a letter type on your computer right now you know talk to us there we go that’s it that’s what i want to say yeah that’s that’s really helpful yeah and i i very wholeheartedly second that that’s we’re easy to find and um yeah we’re very happy to hear from people because i think both of us were actively looking for guests to be on our shows so um so if you look at if you if you just search for just chat with uncle dominic and i’m going to put some links down in our in the show notes wherever you’re getting this so you can just get just find that really easily and audio visual cultures as well i think that’s a really really great note to wrap things up on and um yeah do you have any social media that you would like people to go and visit as well uh yeah if you yeah well paula already mentioned it you can find me on uncle story time with uncle dominic on youtube you can find the uncle dumbling on twitch tv and you can actually message me on twitter at uncle underscore dominic and if you go on facebook if you’re at facebook you can look up uncle dominic’s story time so i am there and so yeah so you can look me up in almost every social media sites out there i think pretty much even on tik tock i am even on top okay it’s not much on tick tock but i am on there so you can fight look look look me up there as well uncle dominic so yeah i’m old that’s like uncle dominic four day isn’t old come on why i was gonna put grandpa dominic but i haven’t reached those things no we’re still millennials we’ll cling on to that for a while well thank you paula for actually having me on your show as a guest it’s been great yeah it’s been a real joy thank you so much for taking the time i know it’s been um it’s difficult to try and get around the time difference and your working day and everything and i really really appreciate your flexibility with that and it’s been just an absolute joy to talk to you thank you for your time thank you so much for having me and it will be a good morning for you too as well in the uk yes my day’s just getting started here we go thanks get pumped up now all motivated to go out and meet the world absolutely absolutely okay thanks okay um just uh just a quick note everybody uh thank you so much for joining wherever you’ve been listening um if you’ve been watching this on youtube at all uh there’ll be an audio edit of this going out in audi visual cultures it’ll probably be a bit later on in the summer maybe later august for that and um you can pick the audio up just about anywhere you get your podcasts so apple podcast spotify etc and um just thanks so much and if you’re happy to um share this that would be amazing that would really help me and uncle dominic out so much and um if you’re looking for any extras as well as what we provide for free then have a look at audio or have a look at patreon.com forward slash av cultures and see what we’re up to over there but for now thank you so much and have a good day or evening wherever you are in the world and we will catch you next time

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this is audiovisual cultures the podcast that explores different areas of the arts and cultural production with me paula blair visit patreon.com forward slash av cultures to find out more and to join the pod so hello and thank you for tuning in to another audio visual cultures in this episode i have the great pleasure of talking to fellow podcaster nathan ragland about the postmodern art podcast i’m going to bring you straight in nathan very warm welcome how are you today i am doing wonderful thank you so much for giving me the opportunity to sit down chat um it’s honestly an honor oh don’t know if i go that far but i will take the compliment so where abouts are you best nathan i’m based in united states georgia close to the atlanta area but like at least a good couple hours away okay fantastic thank you the first person i’ve spoken to from that area of the u.s that’s very exciting for me oh really okay so it sounds nice nice again it’s an honor i’m in the very tiny uk very far away from you i mean you say that but i mean even then you know there’s a lot of culture a lot history when it comes to uk so even that little bit little area in the uk there’s a lot to delve into there that’s very true we can probably get into quite a lot of big areas because um i find you on reddit and i find what you were doing really interesting because i think it’s not a million miles away from what i’ve been trying to do as well with audio visual cultures and um i really liked your idea of trying to focus on people who aren’t necessarily getting talked about but are doing really great work and i’m trying to do something very similar here and i think the pandemic situation has made my podcast a bit more international which is great because i’m talking to people like you and i never really thought of doing that before oh absolutely if i may i it’s one of those i actually started my podcast partially because of the pandemic because i was you know getting so cooped up inside and wanted to at least talk to people but it’s also like you know sharing my love for appreciation for these artists that you know they may already have an audience but my main thing is giving them the platform that they deserve because you see so much in the industry of art in general of people like loving the art but giving no love to the artist the people that spend the time and effort to actually do this kind of stuff and like you i’ve got to talk to so many different people from all over the world that i never would have had the chance to beforehand i’ve talked to several people in the uk uh some of which are adorning my wall right now i’ve talked to a video game developer who just started in mexico i talked to an animator all the way over in the philippines if you told me even five years ago yeah you’re gonna be talking to people from the philippines and such i’d be like uh okay is is am i like a flight attendant or something like that like what’s my vacation yes it is funny how things have turned out because mine was a very i felt a very local affair local at least to the uk or wherever i happened to be so yeah it’s been strangely for some of us it has just expanded our scope of what we can do with our work so yeah it’s great to hear that too so nathan would you just outline then for us postmodern art podcast you tell me you give me your byline you tell me what’s going on there with that oh absolutely uh well like i touched on the postmodern art pockets is the podcast dedicated to giving artists who are wowing the world over the platform they deserve i am very active on the internet and i see a lot on the internet and i feel like i want to try to spread more love to the internet especially with how bipolar the internet can be at times no it’s one of those i i bring on artists every week that i admire i have them sit down and i have them sort of give a face behind the artwork that you can see out there you know i’ve talked to several people over and it’s just wonderful to have them sit down and just have to basically gush about their passion talk about what they love why they love it what got them into it you know what they have planned what they want to see in the world just have them just go all out with it i’m also in that process like exposing people to new artists and maybe even new forms of art at the same time you know i’ve gotten animators people that have done like commission work or thumbnails for youtubers i’ve had like i said video game designers couple weeks back i even had a wrestler on so like you know have them talk about the art of wrestling because there is an art form to that so yeah just more or less giving artists a spotlight and expanding a person’s ideals on what art can be yeah fantastic again i feel a real affinity with that because that’s really similar to what i’m trying to do with audio visual cultures you know i take a very loose borderless approach to what could be considered as audio and or visual culture so i think burund’s quite similar ground there so i’m really glad to hear somebody else being really open-minded about what they’re considering as art you know and that’s such a massive question oh no absolutely it’s one of those you know a chance that like i said before anxious that more respect can be given to the people that usually don’t get a lot of respect i think any opportunity there is out there that’s trying to light go ahead and shine it as bright as possible i actually sat down and listened to a couple episodes before i decided to sit down i love what you’re doing as well given you know letting them talk but i feel like there’s more of a i don’t know if it’s just more of an intellectual look at it which i appreciate more than anything else yeah i suppose that’s just as you’ve raised it there i mean i’ve come from an academic background you know so like how did you find your way to making the post-modern art podcast well i mean i also haven’t somewhat of an academic background with this kind of stuff i i went to college for mass media so like tv film all that jazz but i never really thought about a podcast until like i was online as much as i do have an academic background this is more of a i want to say bluegrass raise kind of podcast in a way maybe i don’t know um no it’s one of those like i decided to develop the pockets because online you know i you see all like the horror stories of like you know these big companies you know taking even you know pushing these workers you know pushing these animators or pushing these designers to their limit and then just turning around and like closing down the studio or you know just shutting them out of all sorts of stuff or like you see these incredible shows that people love but like the executives are like yeah no we’re not gonna even go forward with this thing so i wanted to find a way i know it’s not gonna be immediate but i wanted to find a way to bring on some of these amazing people give them a spotlight and just be like yes you make incredible art tell people why you make incredible art have people fall in love with you as much as they love your art more than anything else because i i i’m a big person when it comes to like passion and stuff i could have gone to school for a million different things but i just had to go with what i was passionate about which was filmmaking and such so the fact that you know i a lot of people nowadays they try to go with what could be safe for them compared to what they want to do so any chance i can get person that took that risk and it’s going with what they’re passionate about and living the life that they want to even if it’s not you know the end goal that they envision in mind but the fact that they’re going for their passion more than anything else it inspires me and i want to help inspire others that may not know about that path just yet fantastic great work i wanted to ask you as well about the title how did you come up with the title for your podcast and what exactly is going on there because i feel like there’s some layers to peel back oh oh there is thank you for asking this question cause i think i’ve only mentioned this once in a podcast and i absolutely love that so you and i both know that post-modern art is a movement that happened correctly from wrong like somewhat in the late 1900s so like you know 70s 80s somewhere in that general area you know maybe a little earlier basically it was a very uh important movement that obviously followed the modern movement but i decided to do it as more of a twist on like modern day society because we live in the 21st century and a lot of our stuff we upload online you know we put on twitter instagram such we post it so basically with the title i’m encouraging people to post their modern art yeah no i like it yeah because i think especially the way i think grammatically the way it’s written it’s not post-modern it’s post-modern you know it’s separate words there’s no hyphen you know so i thought no there’s something going on here so i figured it was something along those lines so thank you for uh explaining that i was going to say to even delve one little step further i kind of implied that with the logo that i have with it if you notice the logo it’s like the post and art are like digital are different fonts than modern podcasts it’s like just the post art is a thing that people will instantly notice yeah that’s it there’s so much going on there with the word post anyway you know that idea of it coming after something and then does it mean it’s just after chronologically or is it reacting to it and you even just the term postmodern has so much debate around it still and there’s just so much scope for you to play around with that i think which is nice oh no absolutely trust me you know i i guess that’s also part of the beauty of art it could be interpreted in a million different ways if you look at it hard enough that’s it yeah so no it’s quite nice and it is nicer if people see your logo and maybe we can pick that on some of the promo cards and stuff for when this episode’s going out just to show people oh absolutely i’m sure obviously the little png of it beforehand so you can go ahead and do what you need to do thanks yeah because it is it’s it’s the graphics are great on it you know they’re really it really captures all of what you’ve just said there i think really nicely and yeah you can play around with the words and the order and what is art what is post art what is modern art what is post modern art and all of that you know so it’s great and then what’s a podcast in there exactly as well an art podcast a modern podcasts and because it’s such a young medium as well it’s becoming itself all the time oh no absolutely i mean you know podcasting i think i think it’s definitely exploded because of the quarantine because people probably thought about this stuff for the longest time but what was it i heard somewhere i think it was on the apocalypse now podcast that basically podcasts are today’s version of the uh what was it called was it like state funded tv or something like that like you know like the programs that like the little mom and pops would do for like the local stations and such they’d see like three o’clock in the morning like that’s basically what the podcast community has become it’s one of those we’re making this stuff that we want to make and even if it’s only like 10 people like with their ears or to it or whatnot that’s more people than we probably anticipate whenever we decide to make the show because this is the stuff that we love at the end of the day i’m making the podcast that i want to make so why not yeah that’s it i heard you say that in one of your more recent episodes as well and i thought yeah that again that really times me because a bit like you i identified a gap and i thought i want to hear a podcast about this and i don’t think it exists i can’t find it so i will have a go at trying to make one i mean absolutely i mean think about it the only time you ever really get like a behind the scenes kind of thing for anything involving art is whenever disney is pushing out on their social media like the behind the scenes of their animation and even then it’s like the director maybe the voice who all they really did was give the voice and that’s probably about it you’re not you know really talking to the people that did the story report you’re not talking to people that are in charge of the in-betweens people that are in charge of making sure the cgi or the 3d animation didn’t glitch out 20 million different ways that’s why i want to see more than anything else just kind of how it got from point a to point b with the like a1 a2 a4 you know a29 all the way back there along the way yeah definitely yeah there’s so many different elements of creating and producing cultural objects cultural artifacts you know so as you say like a film especially and if it’s an animated film or it involves cgi or something there’s huge teams of people oh no you know there’s there’s old departments just doing leaves you know i rece i was gonna say i recently discovered like i never thought about it but it makes sense after the fact one of the first episodes i had i discovered that there was a department of art that their main responsibility is like lighting and shadow and animation like you never think about that stuff even the person that i interviewed was like i just thought that stuff happened which is compositing for those that don’t know but it’s like you know it blows my mind like you know what like even with 2d animations that makes so much sense i thought that was just part of what the animators did but like no there’s a separate department fully dedicated to that yeah because i think it takes huge amounts of research to learn exactly i think especially if you look at pixar’s development for example like over 30 years i mean they’re producing photorealism these days and if you go back right to toy story it’s what is this it’s so different you know and how they’ve developed you know you think of a bug’s life and how they did the shadows and they used the translucence of them and then you know i watched toy story 4 recently i was a bit late to that party but you know toy story 3 broke me so it took me a while so oh trust me i’m i’m still on that broken train with you and i haven’t watched toy story 4. i’m aware of what happens i just have to sit down watch it well i thought it was hilarious i thought it was brilliant like i just thought it was a roller coaster i thought it was a really great story but anyway i’ve derailed this already but yeah just that example of how intricate the work is of every department that can make a product like that and then i think with the sorts of things that you’re talking about as well where people are you know sort of more like indie producers as well where they’re doing that sort of work but on their own same or independently or you know however it is they’re doing it you know because you talk to a lot of people who put a lot of really intricate stuff out on youtube and it’s like you say it’s a bit like public access television and we’ve not that’s the world’s looking for public yes thank you i was wondering what that was just that democratization so very similar to how public access television had brought a little bit of democratization into who could make television we now have that with internet 2.0 you know and so many of us are able to use the equipment at our disposal and produce pretty decent stuff on our own and we’ve realized that we don’t have to be tethered to the big companies you know i saw big hoo-ha on twitter earlier today about adobe because they’ve been charging people incredible amounts and as i say we all know they charge incredible amounts it’s the fact that they’re trying to charge people for cancelling their description incredible amounts which is it absolutely yeah yeah because i was somebody who was very sort of thought oh i have to save up to get adobe creative cloud someday and then i’ve just researched and researched and researched and find all this open source completely legal technology and software and everything that i can use and then when i have the money i can donate to those creators to help keep them going you know and it’s there’s no difference so you maybe don’t have as many of the tools but you’ve still got enough tools to do something like this a conversational podcast you know so anyway that was a massive tangent there no i mean is a good tangent if i may also build up on a little bit i i was gonna say i know for me personally i don’t use adobe when it comes to editing the podcast i use a separate software called movavi or something like that to where it’s like is it as good as adobe no i’ll be the first to admit that but it gets the job done because of what i’m trying to do with this podcast compared to like a filmmaker or something like that but even then like you know you said yourself you know you want to turn around and also give back to these creators to try to support them i tried to do that to this day with my podcast books i’m sure if whenever you notice going through the catalog you notice the thumbnails and such how each of them were like different and vibrant and you know a million different ways i usually try to ask the artists i bring on or just a separate artist in the art community hey i want to try and find a way to represent your art this is the best way i can think of right now is okay if i commissioned you for it and with all but like a couple who offered most of them have uh i’ve made sure to commission them for the opportunity because again this is the thing that they do this is the thing that they dedicate themselves to i am not going to take advantage of them and not pay them for doing something for little me yeah that’s a really lovely idea to do that i mean and that’s a whole other issue as well is i mean how do you feel as a as an indie podcaster do you get support for what you’re doing as well like we have so little access to funding streams to do our work because what we do as well in making this is labor too but also like you say i mean that’s something where i feel very conscious of that as well of we’re asking people to give us their time and their voice and their ideas and we can’t necessarily i mean i certainly am not an obsession necessary to pay a fee and so many artists especially even from organizations who can’t afford to pay them they’re asked to work for free all the time because it’s the kudos of it the love of it should be enough we see the horror stories out there more than anything else but i mean it’s absolutely insane how little respect some people actually do get i actually brought on artists a while back her name is kihori uh she is an anime from the philippines i was talking about she was talking about how when she first had her first animation job they worked her like to the bone i’m talking about like several hours and overtime and on average per week she would be paid 50 bucks a week that’s not 50 bucks per day that’s not 50 bucks that’s per week can you live off of 50 bucks a week no it was so bad for her that she actually fell out of animation like there was a point to where she was like i don’t love this anymore because they’re working me for basically next to nothing and like luckily for her she stumbled upon youtube thumbnails working for a youtuber as only recently got back in the animation because she had that itch and luckily she’s working with a wonderful independent crew that is making sure that she is compensated well for her responsibilities because that’s how you’re supposed to do it you know it’s hard for a lot of artists to get a lot of respect because i feel like there’s sort of like that disconnect that you know talk about like people love the art but they don’t really care about the artists themselves that’s part of the reason why i wanted to do this podcast to sort of bridge that gap to let people know hey there are humans that are making this stuff before you know behind what you’re doing and i want you to know that they deserve all the love time for their time effort and hard work that they put to the stuff that you love yeah absolutely it’s a small thing to be able to just give them that platform and and let them speak and talk about their work but hopefully it helps and i don’t i don’t know how do you feel about that i mean i i mean at least for me right now i don’t know how much it’s helping because i’m not that i’ve only just recently started this thing in september and i hadn’t even hit a hundred subscribers yet am i saying that i’m making the direct impact in the world right now and i’m giving them that love no but at the same time you know it’s not like i was going to be it’s not like i went to stick and i was gonna be the next joe rogan i was gonna bring on freaking what’s the biggest name like i’m like my first episode yeah i’m bringing on dwayne the rock johnson to talk about his one voice he did moana and producing stuff which i would love to have him on and love to have them talk about like producing stuff because there is an art to that but i knew that that wasn’t going to be the case but i also know that with a lot of these artists i was talking about this with a separate thumbnail artist her name is a little hip no love her to death she was a great guest to have on but like at the end of every podcast i usually try to praise the artist because again i love their art and i brought them on for a reason and you know one of the things that she was talking about after i gave my praises you know she was honestly touched with what i was saying because for her again she’s a thumbnail artist so for her it’s like do the thumbnail okay it’s up and we go on to the next one because for them it’s like you know a daily youtuber something along the lines of that a lot of people don’t click on youtube videos to just because the thumbnail looks pretty although it does give a good first impression but it’s not you know that’s not always okay so for her just like hear that kind of stuff like it touched her and i was like that’s the kind of thing i wanted to do you know i i know that my audience is huge right now but the little audience that i do have that does interact or whatnot they’re incredible the support they give to these artists and the support they give me as well which i’m amazed by because i’m just trying to present people more than anything else but like i have i’ve got one person who on twitter goes by purgatory ram and he keeps messaging me talking about like yeah you’re an inspiration for like bringing all these artists you’re actually inspiring me to really go for art and like try to do that i’m like that is incredible to hear because that’s like that’s just one person that i’m actually getting the chance to talk to you uh another person who goes by name tipsy j hearts who have actually brought on the podcast i’ve actually collaborated with her to like make some merchandise for my personal shop you know which i it’s something i’ve wanted to do it is what it is but same time like you know she forever thanks me for like all the opportunities i give her and she forever thanks me for you know just being a good friend more than anything else and i’m just like i’m just being a human being for the for you because of the incredible art that you’re making so i know i’m not gonna get like the huge numbers and i’m not striving to get huge numbers if i stay to where i only get 10 15 views per single episode screw it that’s my legacy but i’m getting to sit down talk to these incredible people and let them know at least from one first-hand experience hey your art is incredible you should know it and you should know that we love it and if other people jump on board with that kind of thing and at least one person is touched and inspired by that my job is complete i think that’s really well put nathan i think that’s commendable i think quite relevantly to this i think quite recently i was starting to feel really low about everything you know all of this sort of stuff that you’ve just said there i was starting to feel like oh i’ve been working so hard on all of this and i know i’m making a really good show and i’ve had amazing guests on and the world needs to hear about them and i just feel like i can’t crack through and then i just thought well i’m ignoring the people who do listen to me because my regular listenership may be quite small but they’re there and they matter to me and they’ve helped me and they’re supporting me and they keep me going and they matter and i’m making this for me and i’m making it for them and anyone else who wants to join us and it just feels like well i kind of just had to realize that there are strata for these things because as you’re saying you know although mr the rock is very welcome anytime i won’t turn him away ever although he seems to be working out pretty hard at the moment according to instagram

he’s a bit busy but uh you know he’s he’s super super welcome but yeah it’s people like us who are trying to do something and our peers here working their butts off to do their thing as well and to just try and give everybody that space and that space to communicate and to just share ideas because there’s just so many of us now and there’s so many amazing talented people and hard-working people and it’s so good to just try to show like there are these people who make it and become the stars and become the a-listers but that doesn’t mean that what we’re doing isn’t good or doesn’t have value because maybe what we’re doing might even be better depending on how you quantify it i don’t know but you know it’s important i was gonna say i know exactly what you’re talking about with bringing on these incredible people it seems like no one’s watching one of the biggest guests like when it comes to like scope of what they’ve done and one of the people that i was most excited to bring on was a guy by the name of oh there’s two separate ones but the first one is a guy by the name of joe horn does that name ring a bell to you i don’t think so no have you ever heard of a show called class of 3000 no maybe it’s a yes thing it might be a u.s thing but it’s one of those it’s one of those like cult classic shows like it was on for a couple seasons and no one really gave a lot of love to it but like it was still like absolutely incredible and people absolutely loved it but i’m sure you’ve also heard of stuff along the lines of teenage mutant ninja turtles and sonic the hedgehog and uh i don’t know about the boondocks if you’ve heard of that show or not i heard of it you’ve heard of fair enough joe horton was at least a director for the entirety of the run of class of 3000 but he also directed a couple episodes of the boondocks he worked on like i said the original teenage mutant ninja turtles the original psych the hedgehog series in like the 90s um he worked on pee-wee’s playhouse for some of the animated segments that they had for them this guy had a lot of history behind him so it’s like i was exactly so i was like i was super excited just to have him on and i thought okay people are going to recognize the stuff he was on maybe everyone listening about like the behind the scenes stuff which he had a lot of insight and i was so glad to have him on it was one of the most like spiritually fulfilling episodes to sit down and talk with him more than anything else but when it initially came out i think there was only like 50 or 60 people that listed like views to the youtube video and i was like like it crushed me a little bit but one it’s actually boosted up i think it’s actually got close to 200 views now but even then still it’s like you know the end of the day like i sit down i’m like i got to talk to one of the people that basically developed my childhood because i was a huge fan of that class of 3000 show like if nothing else that was the experience that i walked away and i was like i have this snap forever in my pocket it was a great experience i was lucky enough to bring a couple of my friends for that interview as well because they were also influenced by the show and we were all like getting together to to meet up anyway so it’s like i wanted to do this is kind of like my little christmas gift to them but it’s like you know it was it was a great experience that i would never take back for anything at this point and like if that’s what inspired me i can imagine like the thumbnail artist for one of the big youtubers that someone may not know about you know a whole lot you know maybe the video only has like 12 15 views but at least one of those views is someone that wants to turn around and do that kind of art i i know that my audience may not be the most vocal and that’s fine you know they’ve got lives and for some of them they don’t want to be as open on twitter and stuff that’s completely understandable but the end of the day like i know there’s an audience there i know people are loving what i’m pushing out and i really do hope that some of them stay and not only listen to the artists that they want to but like go back and listen to some of the other artists you know some of the incredible people because i’ve talked to so many people that i’ve like love to admire today again if you told me if you told me even like two or three years ago yeah you’re going to talk to these incredible peoples i would have thought you were insane because i mean you know i i like sabran joe horn i brought on left that london who is a indie pop artist who i absolutely loved and admired for years and the fact that i got to sit down chat with her and like that conversation that was like my third episode too so it’s like that was very early on i was loving that one it’s insane what i’m getting to do more than anything else it has become a real privilege i think i know for me as well the people that opened me up to that i just wouldn’t wouldn’t have even thought you know i’ve talked to people who produce audio dramas talk to people who you know work in different kinds of music and yeah it’s just opened up a world of even just cultural production that i wouldn’t have thought of interviewing people who worked in those sorts of things it wouldn’t have just come to my mind you know because i’m sort of from a very traditional film studies background as well so just opening yourself out as well to those possibilities i mean that’s really fantastic being able to really chat and chat thoroughly to people who make things and again it’s areas where i think when you’re a kid and you’re watching cartoons and stuff because i know that i had a healthy diet of teenage mutant ninja turtles and stuff the really old ones from the 90s yeah i would be hugely excited to talk to that person as well you know and to learn about that because i think when you’re a kid and you’re absorbing all that it’s just a thing that happens isn’t it and you just don’t know like we were saying earlier you don’t think about a huge team of people the creative process it goes behind all of that you know so that’s really exciting for you and and as well as that i mean you’re building up skills you’re perfecting your interview technique and um you know i think we’ve landed on something very similar you know i prefer a very conversational approach as well and i think when people are relaxed and you know i think you get more information and it’s a really nice listening experience to people because you can you listen to it and you go they’re getting on really well and this is a nice conversation because you almost feel like you’re part of it and i mean i’m i’m a dork so i’ll you know start to talk along with the podcast sometimes and go oh that’s so nice oh that’s really interesting what did they say that for i have a podcast for you if that’s the kind of thing you’re talking about but like even more broad than what we do there’s a there’s a podcast that i recently started listening to called stranger than christian which i i don’t know if you’ve ever yeah you’re writing that down right now i’m not done no it’s one of those like the guy literally just brings on right like he puts out a form on like reddit and stuff or like his own personal website and he’ll just bring on random strangers and they’ll just talk for like an hour about whatever just comes up like whether it be about their careers or like their passions and all that kind of stuff and like i’ve fully gone ahead deep i’ve only recently found out about it i’ve listened to just about every single episode so far fantastic yeah it’s good to find you know our podcast as well we just get hooked into it you know like i’ve got all my regulars that i’m very up to date with and then i will lose them for months because i find something and i have to do the whole thing because it’s so good oh yeah no absolutely trust me i’ve been i haven’t been that huge of the podcast before and even whenever i started my podcast like i i there was a couple i listened to here and there but i never really had a chance to fully like delve in and go all in on the indie podcast world but now that i’m like really into it like i’ve wanted to listen to others and i wanted to you know get inspiration more than anything else and so some of the podcasts i find out there and some of the podcasts that uh even i’ve like appeared on i’ve appeared on a couple at this point right now one of them that’s actually got their episode published but like the other one’s coming out soon but even then like you know if i decide to jump in on a podcast like yours it’s one of those like i wanna at least sit down and be like okay i love what this person’s doing like awesome podcast stuff there was one that i actually interviewed for on saturday to where i never thought i would be interviewed for this kind of podcast it was an agriculture podcast wow yes but like the way that he’s going about it is to promote agriculture literacy in the world to sort of let people understand you know hey agriculture is more than just you know working on the farm you know all that kind of stuff like he’s gone out of his way to sort of relate it to like music and star wars and all sorts of like pop culture stuff i actually sat down with him because i wanted to see if there was a way that we could connect agriculture with art because as an art podcast i wanted to increase that literacy as well and like whenever we sat down and talked it was amazing how related the two worlds were you would never think like you know agriculture is our art is as integral as agriculture but like what was it we were talking about how like people didn’t give a lot of love and respect to the respective fields and such especially like when the pandemic happened both of our fields they were really vital in helping people get through agriculture obviously we couldn’t survive without the agriculture and art we would have gone crazy if there wasn’t art for us to consume yeah excellent point yeah i think just on that i mean a good friend of mine who is an artist based in vancouver sylvia grace border she has actually done quite a lot of artwork about agriculture and urban agriculture in um greater vancouver yeah it’s a very sort of niche field i think oh yeah no it very is very niche and such but it’s like it was awesome for us to find that connection but that goes back to my point in the podcast out there it’s such like it’s absolutely insane like what’s cropped up because of quarantine and such because for some of these people it’s like they’ve wanted to do this for ages i want to do something similar to this for a while like i said i went to school for mass media so like tv film stuff some long lines that i was going to be a filmmaker that’s still a dream i just need to get my last semester of classes done uh i can already hear my mom telling me you need to do it but whenever i was in college i was already developing this idea for what i was going to call the origin story where i was going to bring on like you know again actors you know writers directors producers and such and get their idea on what got them interested what they want to do like what i’m doing now but like more based in the film field but as i develop more and as i once i got sort of away from that but not really i realize you know at least when it comes to like the directors and the actors and stuff like that they kind of already have that there’s a million different podcasts that already gives them like the spotlight and stuff along the lines of that not saying that some of them don’t deserve it if any of them do want the opportunity opportunity to sit down and chat with me i’m not going to turn them away um but whenever especially whenever the quarantine started happening like i was consuming like a lot more art than i ever thought of like you know youtube with video stuff like that being on twitter and seeing all the art that’s on there that people were producing i’m like people need to give them that spotlight so that’s why i started my podcast so my mind’s a bit older than that i mean i started three years ago as i say it was that thing of and this has come up actually on your podcast before where i keep thinking of spaceballs i don’t know if you’ve seen spaceballs and might be better oh i’ve seen spaceballs this great classic oh that’s good that’s a relief because it’s one of my favorite films and then i see your swords is not as big as mine i didn’t see you playing with your dolls again sir but yeah you keep thinking of the line stop preparing you’re always preparing stop preparing just go right and it’s just that idea of just do it because you’re going to be preparing forever and you just have to try because if you don’t try it you’re going to be a perfectionist and you’re never going to do it because you’re going to procrastinate forever so i just started it and i just gave it a go and i learned by making loads of mistakes the really really early episodes they’re not bad but the you know the audio quality isn’t great because i hadn’t figured out what to do yet or we didn’t really have much of a direction for the podcast yeah i mean most of the early ones are my partner is a film historian and it’s us being real nerds about stuff we’ll just watch a movie together and then talk for about two or three hours about it so that was basically how it started there we go yeah and it still doesn’t have i mean the interview format it’s just one of the kinds of format that this can be you know it doesn’t have a fixed thing so it’s that thing of just give it a try because then you’ll see and it’s a bit like what you’re saying i mean these things are out in the world and they can have their own legacy because once you put it on youtube hopefully somebody will find it at some point because they just a search will hit the right thing and algorithms seo will pick something up i’m also surprised at times with the algorithm on youtube is one of the most complex things out there and like how many different like music videos or how many different like animated films i watch whenever i’m watching a different kind of anime from some other complete random artist because of that algorithm or anything else that’s how i found like a good number that’s how i found one of my biggest loves for animation right now uh vivienne medrano which if you’ve heard of uh has been hotel hell of a boss the spin the horse tunes i just found a random video that she did to where she did like an animated video of dai young by kesha that’s how i first heard of her it was like watching other animated music videos and stuff and then next thing i know like that got a lot of love and then she starts posting teasers of this uh husband hotel and then she released the pilot and the pilot he gets over like 50 70 million views like it’s a big deal so it’s one of those like if what i’m producing out there gets someone that at least click on the video that’s all i can ask for i think it’s tough because everything’s feeling quite oversaturated i find you know it feels quite difficult to find certain things because there’s so much content now and we’re producing more and more all the time but yet what do we do we can’t just stop because there’s loads of other people like i mean that’s the thing we all have a voice so it’s about just trying to find a way to get it to reach somebody out there yeah i mean for me i mean i’ve gotten i’ve mentally gotten to the point like at least early on whenever i was making the podcast i’ve gotten to a point where i’m like i don’t care if it’s only two people or two million people that watch the podcast at the end of the day there’s only one viewer that i’m trying to satisfy and that is myself if i’m satisfied with a podcast and i sit down i go back and listen and there’s a lot of the episodes most the episodes i go back and listen to but if i go back and i listen to it and i enjoy it just as much as i did whenever i sit down having that podcast i think i did a good podcast more than anything else if the people decide to join in on the fun that i’m having they’re more than welcome to i am not going to turn them away but at the end of the day i again i would greatly appreciate whatever numbers i can get but as long as one person is satisfied and that one person is me that i did a good podcast yeah i think that’s a really good way of putting anything as well because we have to start with ourselves and we are the test audience for our own work really because i think you can be you can be critical about it and you can be constructive about it but i do that as well i tend to listen to my own podcast not because of me but i mean i think it’s useful to listen back to yourself because that’s how you learn to improve but oh yeah also because i’m really fascinated by the guests that i have on and i think once you’re when you’re in interview mode like we are at the minute you know half of your brain is somewhere else because you’re right as are we still recording is everything going okay you know you’re sort of concentrating on a couple of other things and you can’t necessarily absorb plus my memory is terrible these days and i like to just you know listen back over it when i’ve edit you because i’ll edit the whole thing and then i’ll i’ll listen to it when it comes out right because i like to know well i like to make sure that it’s working because i’m still so paranoid that anything technological i’ll ever do just is gonna fall apart so it’s good just to make sure oh that that worked that’s good that plays on apple that’s good there you go no trust me i know i know exactly what you’re talking about with that kind of stuff the joe horn episodes i keep bringing up one of the biggest issues with that one is so again i had me and two other friends beside me we were all sitting down for some reason mice my brain did not think we should only have one microphone no my brain thought we should all bring our microphones right here in this super close confined space and talk with one guy so audio wise that podcast was an absolute nightmare because there’s at one point to where we decided okay we’re gonna use one mic we’re gonna use this guy’s mic because this guy’s mic is good we had that for a while and i’m like wait i have my own audio recording i’ll tell you what i’ll go ahead and turn on my microphone and then we’ll just go and you know so at least have my little side one but then i forgot to realize that the recording software that i use recorded both my microphone and his microphone and the guest and joe horn because he was on his phone so we could hear a little bit of our feedback through his phone and such so like the editing on that one was an absolute nightmare there was a point to where for some reason his fee just completely cut out and there was like a good 10 15 minutes where we’re just waiting there trying to figure out if he’s gonna be able to come back because i tried messaging him a million different ways but the end of the day like after i done edited it i still go back and listen to that episode because the fun conversations that we’ve had and such and like part of me is not like whenever i listen back to a podcast is not just you know listening and learning from myself it’s going back and sort of reliving that funny experience i get with talking with these people because the guests i bring you know the people i bring on like i am proud of just about every single one of them i i have a blast listening to every single time and like listening back to what they have to say and like almost learning again with that kind of stuff because again at the end of the day i’m making the content that i love to know about what i’d love to learn about and so like any insights that they give is an absolute blast that’s great to hear it just occurs to me that i wondered how you felt about this as well because i think for such a long time i was someone who analyzed culture i analyzed films and then again one of the many reasons behind really starting this was wanting to be both an analyst and a producer of culture and i was wondering what you thought about that idea as well so that that sort of jewel position there’s nothing ever wrong with having that position with that stuff if you’re not judging the culture around you then you’re just being ignorant to whatever’s going on and being ignorant not understanding the culture is not going to nourish you as someone that appreciates the culture and you know being a producer like you know if you’re going to make content you know make sure you make it with a good purpose i mean if you think you’re producing the content that you think is going to help the culture one way or another who am i to stop you i think part of us being podcast especially as being an art podcast is preserving the culture a little bit so in a way we’re sort of helping with people understanding and analyzing the culture i’m sure you have on several occasions like gone back to like you know seeing how movies were like the 50s and 60s and 70s stuff and seeing the mentality that the world had then and seeing how different it is now well the stuff that we’re making right now can you imagine what people you know 20 50 100 years from now if they go back and find stumble upon this and analyze wow this is what their culture was like during this kind of situation how much you want to bet that like at least two or three generations from that people are gonna be curious on how people were during covid and they’re gonna go back to these podcasts and stuff and be like wow this is how they got through coving yeah exactly yeah yeah i think about that quite a lot too because they’re almost like covered diaries yeah it has completely changed how we work oh yeah absolutely i was gonna say like you know we talked about before but like you say it yourself where’d like the public access tv well have you ever gone back and see some of those old public access tvs and see just like how they did their stuff you know how they would set up their shows and like again getting that look into like their realities and such you know like if we were watching like movies in the 70s something like that how much like the cold war may have influenced them to make certain movies and such like that’s something that we’re never going to experience but like as an analyst we can look back on how they’re making movies in the 70s such realize okay this is how they got through the potential existential dread that they could die tomorrow from nuclear warfare going back to like the 30s and such seeing all those like the classic looney tunes and such or like the classic cartoons where they they influence or they inspire people hey you should go to war or you should help people you know invest in the military and such as an analyst you go back to like that’s how they got through the potential dread that they could be aerated by germany tomorrow you know that’s something to help them you know as an analyst you’re always going to be looking back and so if we’re making stuff right now that other analysts can eventually look back on then it’s going to benefit society at the end of the day absolutely yeah i feel like there’s a lot they’re going to have to sift through yeah let me imagine i imagine there’s a lot of crap that we haven’t really dug up back in the day that i’m sure i mean yeah people are gonna go through the bigger names because those are the things that at least at the time for us we look at that stuff and that’s kind of stuff that helps us get through like the bigger name stuff but i imagine if people really want to do the research like yeah there’s gonna be a lot of crap to sift through but it’s not like it’s the first time people have had to sift through that kind of stuff to get what they’re looking for yeah yeah i think these kinds of digital media that we’re producing they’re going to be a lot more easily preserved than you say artifacts from 100 years ago and so on but it’s so much storage you know it’s just so much stuff to have to store somewhere and it does need physical storage space because we keep thinking that it’s invisible but it’s not really it needs physical storage i know absolutely i mean i know it’s still somewhat digital but i mean i keep all my episodes on a hard drive so i mean as well as i at least have that that’s about the closest to a physical storage space that i have this is just a quick interruption to say you can find out more at audiovisualcultures.wordpress.com where you can also sign up to your monthly newsletter straight to your inbox and listen to our latest episodes now i keep enjoying this one there is more great stuff to come nathan is there anything we haven’t touched on that you would like to bring up that you think is important well actually you know what i’m gonna flip the interview a little bit i want to interview you for a quick second oh yes i know i mean i know you said yourself you started this a couple years back but what really got you what got you invested in like art in the first place like what made you like really go all in on it and realize this is the thing i want to at least invest in or talk about for the rest of my life that’s a really excellent question actually for me that’s probably quite a long answer but i’ll try and be concise i mean for me so as i say i i studied film at university and i had really wanted to study english literature so you know i did my we do our a levels here at school when you you’re finishing your seniors in high school and you finish with your a levels so those are the exams you do to get your grades it’ll get you into university so i really wanted to do an english literature degree and i got in to do that and then when i was applying for university i saw that you could study film and i didn’t even know you could study film and all through my teens you know i had been watching very strange films lots of art house films and lots of classics and stuff and and i was really obsessed with it with mystery science theater 3000. yeah so um you know i was really into just all areas of film and you know i didn’t care whether it was good or bad or what i just loved cinema so much in all its forms so really it was from that was really what got started so i did a joint honors degree i did both and then i just needed to do more films so i did a master’s and then a phd and then it was in my phd that i branched out into more looking at visual art as well as cinema there we go so i became looking into more where cinema and art converged they were mixing more and more and modernist cinema and um what was happening with elective video art and things so sort of moving image art and and it just became very messy and slippery and i love all that i love that it was i got frustrated with the institution that everything had to be letterboxed and put in neat categories and the work i was looking at was very messy and i like the messiness of it so um that’s kind of the fast version of all of that there’s always a beauty with kind of a disaster sort of an organized mess more than anything else like how stuff goes down so you said yourself that you this podcast initially started with just being basically a further extent on your film studies like just analyzing films and sort of going with the history kind of stuff like that correct me if i’m wrong it’s kind of evolved at this point i don’t know if it still implies that but like it’s also involved you said yourself bringing on these industry people and like having them talk about their passion stuff like that are you personally happy with that evolution of the podcast like whatever you started compared to where you are now are you satisfied with the fact that this is where you are right now and you love what you’re doing i think so yeah i uh again another really good question i think so i mean i didn’t anticipate this very similar to yourself i did not anticipate it breaking out the way that it did yeah don’t get me wrong i mean i think we were doing really good work in that sort of format of right we go and watch a film or we go to a museum for a day or we go to an exhibition or something and then we all discuss it sometimes we were going to conferences academic conferences about something and then maybe interviewing people at the conference you know doing different things like that but i think what it has become i think more recently because it has i think for about a year now solid it has become an interview show and not exclusively but predominantly and i’m really happy with that because when i started i didn’t imagine anyone would want to do this with me so i’m really astonished that people are really you know people are getting in touch with me saying can i be on your show and i’m like yeah of course there we go no i was gonna say it’s funny that you bring that up so the way that i the thing that convinced me more than anything else that i should do the podcast is just randomly one day i decided to pull up a notebook i just wrote down a whole bunch of names of all sorts of different artists i had admired i’m like you know what one of these days i want to interview as many of the people on this list as possible i posted on twitter i tagged as many people as i could that post them like basically convinced me to do this podcast if i make this podcast who’d be down to be interviewing with me and i had a couple of responses from the artists themselves that i’ve had on that there and one of them guy’s name is uh super d was one of the first people to respond he said he was down he was my first guest having that sort of convinced me to realize there are people that want to do this kind of thing and i was all down for it so i have to ask you said you got people like approaching you now why not come on this podcast you’ve interviewed how many people have you say that you would interview like give me like a rough number like a rough number you don’t give me exactly like roughly like 50 100 more or less yeah so i would say at least 50 50 possibly more so this will probably be episode 91 for us there we go and quite a few of the episodes have been analysis of something um and not necessarily an interview but there are episodes where there are multiple interviews that’s fair enough that’s right enough between 50 and 100 i would say is a good package yeah and i imagine a lot of people come from all over the world like you know america all over europe um have you gone anywhere like you know japan or australia or any of the regions like outside of those the two major ones or has it been mainly those for now it’s been mainly uk europe and the u.s yes not for want of trying there are times when um you know i’ve been in touch with somebody and they’ve said they’d love to do it and they they have a regular collaborator who’s maybe in korea or something i said well would you would your collaborator like to come on oh they don’t speak very much english okay i haven’t got any korean so i was mentally the same way with the filipino uh lady who was absolutely wonderful it’s one of those like i never had that kind of experience but i was glad that she wanted to sit down and chat because it was just it was kind of one of those more or less getting a look into the window of their culture with how they do animation was completely different and eye-opening but back to my original point so you’ve interviewed all these people like all over the world so far what is the biggest lesson or the biggest takeaway that you’ve had so far through this podcast journey oh gosh that’s a very good question and i hope you’ll answer these as well for yourself because you’re making my website very easy for me right now i feel very jammy uh biggest lesson i don’t know i think maybe coming to that realization that you’re doing good work because one of my guests jack bowman who is a producer of audio drama he told me make good work that’s the managed to live by and that was something that somebody who a mentor to him told him years ago was make sure you do good work and everything else will follow from that and i’ve really tried to live by that for the last lot of months since i interviewed him you know i’ve tried not to sweat it when i know i’m making good work because i i think just having to face down what we think of as success we have to change that because the way we put language on things is such a problem i think it makes people feel crap about themselves and they’re not crap they’re brilliant they’re working so hard they’re doing their best they’re doing great things and even you know what even if they’re just doing good things not amazing things even if people are mediocre that should be fine as well because they’re doing something you know so i think that’s a big thing for me it’s a big reminder to me of we just have to keep going and we have to do good work then at least we can be proud of ourselves and i think the podcast is really you i always would have felt that before but maybe not believed it enough and i think i’ve really believed it recently okay now absolutely i totally get recovered but i’ll go ahead and answer that question as well because they say i’d say i’ve learned two major lessons when it comes to podcasting number one is just no matter what shoot your shot you never know you’d be surprised how many people would be interested and invested in sitting down and talking with you with this kind of stuff again if you told me months ago that i’d be talking to someone who’s got a video that’s got over 70 million views on it i’d be like okay that’s insane why does this person even pay attention to me but it’s like you know that would never have happened if i had never sent the person an email being like hey i’d love to just sit down and talk and the fact i got response from them there are several people that i’ve been amazed like just how easy it was for me to get in contact with them and have them sit down and just talk because a lot of people they want to talk they want to showcase their love they want to have that passion because that’s the thing that they’re going for that’s the thing that they’re invested in like why not fan the flames you know why not let that passion grow more than anything else the other one i’ve learned is just how connected the art community is and how supportive the art community is i i am this like upbeat person but there are several times where i have that self-doubt about myself of like is this worth it am i just wasting other people’s times you know i i constantly have that self-doubt but then i turn around and i got like a friend that i’ve made through these podcasts and stuff being like you know yes i love what you’re doing like you know you’re doing great things and we’d love to see this thing grow and like there are several times to where like some of the people that i’ve had on the podcast and you know have them talk about their passion like they’re going through stuff and how the art community will rally around them i recently had one guest who she was in the closet for like the longest time like at least with her family like when it comes to social media she was smart enough to make sure that you know hey this is social media separate from like the family stuff but like she finally came out of the closet and like basically told like the truth about who she was and like her girlfriend all this kind of stuff like that and it was like a weight off her shoulder and like the amount of support that was rallying around her for that moment like it was absolutely insane through the highest the highs and the lows of lows like this art community is more than willing to support you and like in turn you should be supporting them as much because at the end of the day like you guys are all in it together to create to basically express yourselves to create this vision that people want to see and like everyone’s kind of in it for the same case that’s been like the biggest lesson i the biggest takeaways i’ve had since i’ve started podcasting now those are really important things as well and um some other things have come up on mine too where it’s people who realize that you know i think actually my previous guest dan said that it doesn’t matter what you’re making we’re all creative people there you go and it’s that empathy with each other means so much that ability to share because i think if you’re creating anything at all you’re lying yourself bare for people you know even us doing this and talking like this you know it’s an avenue or it’s a platform not just for talking about ideas and profound art and you know all of this but this is how we feel about stuff our knowledge comes from how we feel about stuff how we react to things i think so much of the time yeah just remembering that too it’s at the bottom of it all we’re all creative people whether you’re an artist or not whether you’re a filmmaker or a podcaster or a musician whatever it is you can label yourself all you want but there’s creativity somewhere in all of us i think absolutely absolutely i mean at the end of the day this is something i actually talked about with my first guest super d one of the things that he didn’t want to see is like gatekeeping how some people would be like oh you’re not this kind of artist you’re not this kind of thing this concept a community cannot thrive without support and the fact that there’s that much love and support in the community for no matter how big or how small a person is doing it as long as people are willing to put in the work for it as well and do the kind of stuff it’s absolutely incredible and something that i’d love to see and hopefully help with growing with my podcast yeah excellent there’s a nice parallel i think with the podcasting community and especially with indie podcasters i think there’s a very similar um emphasis on helping each other and trying to pull each other up a bit somebody will put out on social media these are the ideas i have does anybody want to add anything and you’ll just chuck stuff in the pot you know and just advise each other on software i use this and i didn’t think it worked but this one worked really well you know whether it’s software or um a streaming service or whatever it is you know it’s just pass on the information because guests have come on and one of my guests makes a vlog cast on youtube and you know he put me onto stream yard which i’d never heard of before and i use that sometimes because i can’t afford the fancy zoom so you can’t afford to pray i was gonna say streamlabs is how i record my thing i go on discord i i said that through there and i record there it’s just learning all of these things it’s just learning right because i know about discord but i didn’t realize you could record on it until recently or i’ve guessed on things where they have something that’s specific to their country that they’re able to use and and get more than one person that way and stuff you just learn all these different things and then you have options you have choices you know and you’re restricted because i think the very first one of these i did the very first remote recording i did was skype and skype is fine and everything but it’s not ideal no it’s never ideal but at the same time you know would it whatever you have to do in order to bring forth the product that you want i mean you go for it i mean like for me discord works well because a lot of people do have zoom and such but like discord is free and a lot of these smaller artists don’t want to pay money at least for me you know i don’t want to pay money for that just yet but same time like a lot of people a lot of people nowadays you’d be surprised how many people use discord and stuff when it comes to just like casual conversations and such yeah that’s it yeah because i think it was something that a friend had put me on to because she’d started a reading grip on it and so i find discord that way but i’m still learning how to use it because i’m an old millennial and it’s very new for me hey with art you’re always learning stuff so it wouldn’t hurt to know it that’s it i mean i’m from the sort of msn messenger generation oh yeah okay i know exactly what you’re talking about it’s a little bit big for me i was gonna say i would say i don’t think i’m that much younger than you i’m aware of like all the the aol messengers and all the what used to be the internet before the internet really blew up in the 2010s i know guys it was our fault sorry we started the emoticons that are now emojis yeah the emoticons crawled so that the emojis could run yeah exactly and boy have they run wild jesus you’ve thrown some really good questions at me there nathan i mean i’m a podcaster i try to think of good questions yes me too but i think i’m i’m also from a place where it’s not the done thing to interrogate each other so i am sort of in where i’m like don’t ask anybody anything and you are a podcaster and you’re interviewing this person ask them a question i mean it goes it goes back to one of the things i’ve learned shoot your shot the worst they could say is no that’s it

do you want to point people to where we can find more information about your fabulous podcast and you know your socials and things you want to just send people in those directions what me talk about my podcast more no i don’t need to no absolutely um you can find the postmodern art podcast on youtube spotify apple podcast anchor and most podcast streaming platforms um i can’t think of all the top of my head but if you listen to podcasts and you know where to go it’s probably gonna be on there you can follow me on twitter at postmodartpod for future updates and guest announcements and if you’re interested if you loved hearing me and you want to help support me and also the artists i’ve brought on to make some of these designs i have a merch shop which is for us and the eu so you could easily be able to purchase as well is a teespring.com stores slash pmap brilliant that’s great nathan yeah so i mean is there anything more you want to add if i’ve forgotten anything at the end of the day no matter what just go out there and create something amazing yeah even if no one else fixes if you think it’s amazing go out there and create it do what you love follow your passion don’t get distraught by everything else just do what makes you happy at the end of the day and i just remembered that you begin your podcast by asking a certain question yeah i’m gonna throw it at you you’re gonna throw it at me oh boy okay so what is it it’s um what is your most unpopular art opinion there we go i’ll say to be fair i’ve asked it what over 25 times at this point so i’m used to asking that question what is my most unpopular art opinion i i’m gonna get a lot of flack for this especially because in fact that some of the guests i brought on anime is over hyped oh yes cause here’s the thing it’s not that it’s bad there are bad animes out there it’s not that anime people celebrate anime like is god it is the end all be all like is the ultimate form when it comes to animation such what you have to realize that a lot of anime at least a good 90 of it or whatnot starts off as a manga that had basically a test run with an audience so that they already know what’s going to work what’s not going to work so ari weeds it down and they basically produce the best that it is meanwhile in america or other places whenever we try to create anything that’s based on a previous property people like or their own original they’re putting it you know they should flex their creative muscles meanwhile that’s 90 percent of anime when it comes to anime i mean it’s one of those like anytime something new comes out when it comes to anime people are already like jumping on board and stuff like that at the end of the day if you love anime that’s great but don’t worship it like it’s a god all right it’s one of those is a medium at the end of the day that people are going to love and again it’s already had a test run 90 people already know what’s gonna happen on the show before it happens on the show so it’s one of those like don’t discredit western animation just because the eastern animation is doing successful because of what they already know to do that’s why i say anime is over heights and tristan sir love it i like to at least think it’s a somewhat educated answer too you know it is it is because it isn’t just well it’s not as good as everybody thinks it is it is a very informed answer and i appreciate it that’s fantastic mine is not anywhere near as interesting i think mine is more along the lines of yokono was better before john lennon okay right okay okay now i’m interested to hear this can’t elaborate on that opinion i think yukunu um has always been a fantastic artist and i think there’s so many beatles fans who just give off about her you know oh she ruined battle she ruined john lennon but i think it’s the other way around i think he i think she was doing really amazing work and then he came along and now she’s doing amazing work again yeah i mean to be fair i mean you know people get all sorts of influences from all sorts of other things just because you haven’t been with john lennon doesn’t mean that you actually she’s coming from yeah well i do yeah because i just um i’m not a beatles fan and i mean there’s an unpopular opinion right there not being a beatles fan well exactly exactly i was more i’m more of a kinks person like the kings you know if you’re you’re one or the other and more on the kinks side of things they don’t really rate the beatles very much i got you but that aside i think you go no i think she just became so overshadowed by john lennon that her artwork people didn’t really bother suffer from it yeah i think so i think she did some really really challenging stuff i mean i think especially with the films she was making with the fluxes really pushed some boundaries she was doing some really cool stuff in the early 1960s so anyway that’s mine that’s mine i’ve said it’s in the world it’s out there in the world you can’t take it back now unless you edit out the podcast so oh it’s been so much fun nathan i’ve really really enjoyed this you’re very welcome back anytime i might take you up on the offer what’s your time next week now joking no you are you you’re very very welcome be great if you ever want to collaborate on something that’d be cool uh duly noted dooley noted i am always looking for guests i might i might flip the chair around and have you sit down on the postmodern art podcast i’ll just i have a good bit scheduled coming up when it comes to guests so it might be a little bit but i would love to have you on the podcast as well excellent yeah i’d love i’ve really really loved that it’s been so it’s been such a pleasure talking with you tonight it’s been great and i hope you have a brilliant rest of your day and really good luck with your podcast i’m sure it’ll it’ll find who it needs to find thank you thank you i i wish the same on you and then some because you’ve been doing this a lot longer than i have i’ll tell you that much but at the same time like you said we’re basically you know we’re basically two in the same boat at this point like the people that you’re bringing on it’s different than like what i’m bringing on as well so it’s like yeah there’s a different flair for a different person and that’s the beauty when it comes to art there’s so many different tastes there’s so many different cultures and such that whoever you bring on should definitely inspire those that love that culture and stuff so i i’m rooting for you a million times over oh same hair same hair thank you so much thank you for the opportunity

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hello and welcome to our first recording of 2021 in this edition of audio-visual cultures i am really happy to finally touch on architecture and urban planning with my very special guest today mustafa sharif he is an urban planner based in stockholm and the creator of the urbanistica podcast so very warm welcome mustafa how are you doing today thank you thank you so much paula i’m really good i’m really happy and excited to talk to you i’m fine how are you doing i’m well thanks creaking into the new year thank you so much for reaching out to do this this has been a void in audiovisual cultures so far this area but it is an area i am really interested in i think partly because i’m from belfast i’m from a city that has been rebuilding since a conflict so from that perspective it’s something i’m very interested in talking about so we’re going to mainly talk about your podcast urbanistica which gets into urban planning and all sorts of wonderful things but before we talk about that would you just tell us a little bit about yourself your background and some of your own work yes sure and again i wanted to say thank you so much for having me in the great show so yes let’s start with me mustafa sharif so i am an urban planner but if we go back so i was born in iraq baghdad in 1993 and then we were there with my family and as you know like we have so many conflicts in in that country many wars and so on so we were actually moving from one city to another city within the country after that things getting more how do you say dangerous so my dad decided to say okay it’s enough with moving like from city so we need to really settle down and then he decided to move to sweden and it was for 10 years ago and with the family moved to sweden to the south of sweden in a city called helsinbori very beautiful cute city waterfront with i think 100 000 people not so big so we started a new life basically here in sweden and i am always interested in people and i think it’s because when i was child i had a car accident and after the car accident so i i got a kind of phobia from the city and i didn’t want to go out and didn’t want to meet people i was like super scared of this so like my life was almost about being home playing playstation and so on you know video games but like when we started to move from one city to another city i started to build a new relationship with the city with people so this is like growing up with me and when we moved to sweden so i learned the language and i decided okay where to do my bachelor and as you know we have this great architect zaha hadid it’s one of like the legions and architecture and she’s also from iraq and i’d be like okay i’m i’m good in drawing i like now i have a good relationship with the city so how about doing something related to architecture so i started the bachelor it’s about civil engineering and architecture and to be honest i didn’t like it so much and i didn’t find my passion there for me still i i needed to go one scale bigger to look at the city which i love or passionate about so then i study a master in in kth the royal institute of technology in stockholm from day one it was about urban planning and design from day one i just fall in love with with the program and i’d be like okay this is what i want so i study and then i want to study in milan as well architecture and urban planning i came back here to stockholm and got a job and what i work with now i work as an urban planner with focus on social sustainability and people which means that instead of just us urban planners and architects planning the future cities now we have people with us to tell us how we can do it so this is basically like a short or maybe short story of memes read that’s brilliant mustafa yeah there’s so much from that life experience that makes a lot more sense neither um because i’ve been listening to your really excellent podcast and you have such wonderful guests and hopefully we’ll tease a lot of that out as we talk if you’d be happy to would you describe the urbanistic podcast for us a bit and what you do with it yeah sure when i started to work i noticed that when i was a student i had a lot of time to explore like the projects the books the publications but when i started to work like in my career i noticed that the time is limited and it’s it’s a kind of another word every single minute counts and so on and it’s less inspiration i get from how i was before so i decided to change this and i was thinking like what is valuable now or what the issue is about the time we don’t like really put time in order to explore what’s going on around us so what could be else better than podcast when it comes to time and multi-tasking so i started to i thought that podcast is good idea and it is a good idea so i started the podcast and urbanistic podcast it’s a podcast not only for the experts when it comes to urban planning it’s open platform to also the users the people from the city that not our urban planners architects or traffic planners basically the people that use our product like the cities and the aim of the podcast is that to inspire us as urban planners architects about how can we design a really liveable city so i host experts and also people that not really working with urban planning it could be kids parents young girls anybody in the city so this is the aim of urbanistica it’s a really interesting title i think and i was wondering is there anything linguistic that’s significant with it why urbanistica what does that mean to you well the name when i wanted to decide the name for the podcast uh there are like urban stories urban narrative something like with urban then i’d be like i want something like really special and so people start to wonder what is it what is this word means when i was studying in milano urban planning the program name calls like urbanistic and architectura which means like urban planning and i i’m really in love with this world and it sounds really beautiful like a name of a person and the same time it says what i want like it’s urban planning and that’s like my passion then when i was like registering my podcast i wrote like urban please please i was hoping that nobody taking is this name and it was like a how to say available and be like yes so now it’s urbanistic and it means urban planning i really like the way you frame it as storytelling because it’s the stories of lived environments and it’s the stories of the people who are designing these lived environments as well and you refer to your guests as storytellers and they’re telling their story in this episode again is that led by an interest from you in taking that angle because in a way it makes it more human because that’s how we communicate we’ve always communicated by telling stories and you know even telling our histories as stories and so on and so forth and framing the future what will be the story of this city and that sort of thing so is that very much coming from your angle of interest yeah yeah actually it is because when i was young and now maybe i’m too old but anyway so i i’m listening to ted talk on youtube i was very inspired by them and what makes it ted talks special is the way they tell the story it’s not like a lecture in university or a tv program that’s why it’s so special and i was like okay but how about mixing this kind of stories in podcasting and urban planning and also like after work i do i’m part of tedx stockholm team and what we do is like i do content researching i also like co-coaching people how they talk and giving feedback about their speech i was trying to combine that not makes a boring lecture and not like so stand-up comedy or something you know i want something like as how i would love to listen to we all know that why we like tv shows and series it’s just storytelling like it’s art and culture it’s about storytelling so i wanted to do the podcast something like this like this format it’s not gonna be like a feeling in that you’re in a police station like a question and answer you know like okay what’s your name what do you do what’s your project because there are many podcasts like this and when you hear when you listen to them you feel sometimes bad for the guest you’ll be like um but give them some time to breathe you know to express themselves or something like this so i decided and i tried my best to that leave the platform open to the guest because it’s not like mustafa sheriff podcast it’s urbanistica and the idea of urbanistic is that people are the storytellers because i’m listening to them and learning i can start my own show and talk but the aim of urbanistica is listening and learning because this is the goal every guest is the storyteller i just leave them to talk just like how you do now like just you know leave the flow and it’s always a good flow and you give people the freedom to express themselves and always i don’t like control so much with the questions just like main questions and then see what happened because in the end what comes from heart goes to other people’s hearts so so there is like an aim why i say a guest is a storyteller because the format of the podcast is a kind of story to inspire us because the aim in the end it’s about us getting inspired by people and hopefully we transform this inspiration to actual action in our offices when we really work with the projects oh that’s excellent i was thinking as well that the likes of architecture and urban planning they’re not necessarily what might immediately come to mind for a lot of people when we say arts and culture but really they’re very integral because so much of culture is going to be literally shaped by the lived environment and the spaces that culture happens in or emerges from and i was wondering if you maybe had some examples from the podcast about you know where guests might have gone into those areas whether directly or indirectly has that sort of issue ever been touched upon you know what our space is actually used for and how do the public get to use spaces how does culture happen in space is space shaped around facilitating culture happening and those sorts of areas yeah yeah of course you’re highlighting a very very important point and if i take some minutes to explain like why we are ending up talking about this because the past 50 years many of the cities we we did a lot of mistakes where we planned cities before we were focusing like on a and b we didn’t pay attention so much to the journey in between because like we based our planning not on people but on cars so like who cares about the journey you will take your car you’re happy just drive and that’s it that’s why we created so many areas segregated we didn’t really link them together because we thought we always thought that okay a to b skip the journey like don’t pay attention about the details so and it’s caused us so much like if we talk from the sustainable point of view socially you see segregated area not really well connected people less interacting with each other and you can see also in between buildings as well like it’s a bit sad and dead because the material the walls we made and so on if we talk about environmental point of view the co2 is it’s like a huge topic there are many experts talking about it like because of how we plan cities and also the economical point of view like imagine like these five if you say parking lots for cars it’s like a land use and instead of this you can maybe have a playground or maybe a cafe or like to put some chairs to people to enjoy so it’s affecting us so much and now after many years we’ll be like oh why people reacting like this in the city why our cities some part of city or really dead why it’s unsafe it’s because of the way we did before and the way we did before is not pay attention to what people really want and what is a livable city we just based on cars so now after mistakes we realized okay how do we bring back the life to the city and as you know many people know it’s about us people it’s about our how to say about magic which is creativity art and culture so now the tool to bring back the life to the city is about putting art and culture to activate the spaces so for instance in episode 119 there’s a graffiti artist in the south of sweden in a city it’s it’s you know it’s like in many cities graffiti is illegal you can you cannot do anything so he was painting something very beautiful and the municipality didn’t like that but suddenly they they noticed that ah but wait a minute people actually pass through this way looking at the painting i call it the painting or artwork because it’s very beautiful and people actually like to be there they walk there sometimes they gather there as well like as a meeting point it says something and then it’s slowly transformed from like illegal until now like it’s a graffiti festival in the city which every year they check which areas are like kind of unsafe or kind of dead and then they give the walls because you know like before we when we design buildings we pay attention just the form how the building looks like and oh that’s so beautiful but we didn’t really thought so much about what is the life that this building going to generate so now we are how to say trying to put makeup on our cities our dead city like okay do some beautiful painting some light installation just to bring back the life and in another episode for instance i think episode number four it’s a pixel appearance it’s in the city actually where i’m now it’s in the south and they did like a really beautiful thing that there is like a harbor up here which is like with factories but they’re not functioning anymore so they close down this area became unsafe if there’s no life so other people take opportunity of this dark space and suddenly this area became like very dangerous it became like a barrier both physically and mentally because you know don’t go there and like families didn’t allow their kids to go there or even pass by they’d be like oh no don’t don’t go there and this area affected the surrounding areas as well uh i want to buy a house but no it’s close to that area no okay let’s keep it so it’s this kind of atmosphere so the mizwaiti decided to change this how it’s by like bringing our creativity bringing people basically to create life and what they did is to transform all this area to pixels 10 by 10 meters and every citizen in hillsborough city can get a pixel but the only what is the goal is to transform this pixel to an artwork so you can either like build something like a prototyping or you can do have it like a theater show or just something that makes people be there and enjoy it and now this area became absolutely one of one of most popular areas not only in this city but in sweden it’s very beautiful very interesting and hopefully one day if you visit sweden we go there you take a look it’s very beautiful what we talk about now is that cities we did a mistake before because we didn’t integrate art and culture we designed spaces not for people now what we do and also like that’s why i told in the beginning that i’m focusing on people being part of this planning because what activates a space is a people and now we plan like okay how do we plan seasonal activities weekly activities activities during the weekend is this space available to host a festival or a market can this building like host a meeting for kids to do like a course piano course or maybe even play indoor football so now we’ll be okay we need to be really careful and we shouldn’t plan cities for other stuff we should plan cities for people do you ever find you or your guests coming up against resistance to those sorts of ideas do you find that there’s still a pull from saudi authorities in different countries who want to persist in making space for cars rather than people actually they guessed that in my opinion my show hopefully like everyone was agreeing about the same idea that okay we shouldn’t plan for cars but when we talk you know like in the end the why we still doing it it’s because of many things that uh first for the logistics the other one people like that invest that the paying the actual money actually they want to have a space for car or some like policies that steal on the old time and are not updated and many other reasons but we all like everybody on on this planet almost everybody knows that planning for cars is not a wise idea for instance like one time i talked with a guy in the municipality like a really big project leader a senior and he truly believed that we should plan for people and at the same time he he told that okay but we have in our policy and our goals that we need to make it accessible for the logistics same time accessible for people for the transportation what cities do now is that minimize the number not like really ban cars but just like trying to minimize some cities are not really doing it at all unfortunately i know certainly in different parts of the uk it feels like a battle to get local authorities to consider changing things even just um the likes of getting more space for people in the pandemic to be able to move around and not get run over by cars and people to be able to cycle and walk in places it’s been a real struggle i think exactly exactly and also the pandemic showed us how important it is to like have spaces not only for cars but for us to play with our kids for us to take a walk you know like because we are how to say we’re like in our home 24 7 and we need to take a fresh air so actually like the kovi didn’t bring something new to the table of urban planning it’s just showed that how important it is things that we didn’t do just like point it one more time okay uh oh you didn’t do that this is the consequence yeah it’s a lot to think about and i suppose and i think a lot of your guests would describe themselves as activists as well because they’re actively trying to get authorities to come around to that way of thinking and change policy so it can be a hugely political area as well as cultural yeah that’s true because also the guests that i host sometimes i choose them because i’m i’m following on linkedin or i see in the news and sometimes they are being nominated by other people but i like this soul of being an activist even if you’re like in a real high position at the same time you want to change because this is what i believe in we don’t have so much time to be so friendly we need to be honest and say okay it’s really time to change the thing that because they are the storytellers they will take the consequences of every word they say urbanistic is a kind of reviewing what people like think and it’s a platform for them it’s not that mustafa is agreeing with this idea it’s an open space for people to talk and i believe that we need to listen to everybody in order that we make a good city i cannot just listen to myself you know or to only to paul and we have like a really good conversation we agree and that’s it if we want to build a city for everybody then we should listen to everybody that’s it i’d like to talk a bit about language as well because something that i find hugely impressive is that you make your podcasts in three languages so different episodes will be in a different language depending i think is it depending on who your guest is and what they speak and what they’re comfortable with yeah yeah you’re absolutely right the thing with language first i i wanted as i mentioned before the aim of the podcast is to inspire as many people as possible so we can do the change and if you aspire to people big change 100 people you know and so on so i started with let me do it in in swedish because i’m in sweden this is the market and yeah i’m urban planner here but at the same time be like no but wait why should i limit myself i want also to do it in english so i started also doing it in english and then i thought okay but wait a minute seems like i’m missing something i’m missing my my my own language you know like the arabic so i start i am i started with interviewing people from middle east so now like in three languages swedish english arabic and as you mentioned it’s about the guest the storyteller so i prefer in english because it’s easier for me even if i don’t find the right word i can like go around it and describe it somehow but in the end it’s about the guest i ask the guest okay would you like to do it in which language which language do you feel yourself delivering 100 yourself and yeah they choose some of them you know like like swedish because they can express themselves more some of them english is their like favorite language some of them like arabic so it’s real about the guest and in the end it’s my aim is to inspire as many people as possible and i shouldn’t like really limit myself it can be sometimes disturbing for the followers of the podcast because you know like if you scroll down you see like english swedish arabic arabic and you know like maybe three episodes in swedish one in english so maybe sometimes you need to wait until you get your your english or your arabian episode it’s a great idea i think when i started this podcast i had huge ambitions that other people might want to collaborate and be able to do their own versions of it in whatever language they were speaking but it’s still i think that’s still too big a goal maybe in a few years time but uh yeah but your your idea is to collaborate with people that speak other language to do the same thing something similar yeah to have it as a say an umbrella for something and to have a cooperative where lots of people are doing something similar together as a team but yeah so that it could be accessible in lots of different languages and that sort of thing i mean that’s a pipe dream but i think i think it’s a really good idea and yeah if you it’s always good to start step by step and i think if you experience how it is in your language and you how to say you you made it so now like it’s to go to the next step and i i think i truly believe that many people like this idea and want to collaborate because you know in the end we like to be part of a community and and deliver something and create a value and yeah what you do and dreaming about it’s a great value for people as well so i think it’s it’s really possible to do it well you’re showing that it is i mean it’s wonderful that you know i’m a language learner i’m i’m not fluent in any other languages to the point what what are you learning what language i can speak some spanish and i am learning irish as well um because i’m trying to connect with a part of myself that was i feel like it was kept from me for a very long time and i’m trying to connect with that part of me and irish is fascinating actually it’s a fascinating language in terms of place because when you do learn some irish you realize that place names across the whole island yeah they’re describing the geographical features of the place wow um so i’m from belfast which is belfastia which means mouth of the river farshit and belfast is just this anglicized version of it that means nothing it’s just a name but bulfascia means something very interesting yeah so um even in terms of geography it’s fascinating to learn that language and you realize what things actually are yeah but are you thinking to like if we talk about the future hopefully the nearest future are you thinking to host by your own or having like a other host on your podcast what is in your mind and heart i’m always very open to collaboration and i have sometimes got a regular co-host it’s just that person is hugely overworked at the moment i understand join me um so i a lot of the earlier episodes of this podcast have me and another regular person but um he just can’t do it at the moment so it’s just me and whoever’s with me you know that time yeah but yeah i think just that idea of language opening things out because even if we’re imperfect speakers of something it’s about communicating isn’t it and it’s about sharing and if you can find as you said earlier you know if you can’t find a specific word you can find a way of communicating what you mean i love listening to your podcast where somebody needs to say a word in german because there’s just no other way of saying it yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah exactly you know like sometimes you’ll be like okay it’s hopeless i will i cannot find it let me just say it and let’s see what happened i i totally agree with you because uh i believe from my heart i don’t need to be like in a high level an academic level in order to have a conversation in the end we are people we’re a human being i’m not a professor or ceo that’s another topic but now i want to have a conversation with you a human being and i can do that we can have a beautiful conversation and if i cannot really express myself i will try my best and i truly know that you will try your best as well to understand me so in the because many people say no i’m not really ready i don’t have enough professional language or i don’t know i say no come on it’s not about you being perfect maybe this this will never happen you need to take every opportunity start every conversation because you don’t know what’s going to happen in the end of this conversation getting new ideas a new collaboration you maybe you inspire people or get inspired by them so i believe that language is a key to success because you inspire you get inspired by people and when you talk or when you listen things change and things happen so i’m also believing in in your idea about doing it and hosting other people it’s going to be a really interesting i suppose it’s building that community however you find it because you started your podcast in the before times and then same as with all of us it’s very quickly had to just move into the virtual space so how have you found building a community around urbanistica and these ideas well it’s it’s a bit like for a newly started podcast my podcast is one year old and it’s a bit difficult to build the community especially if you’re not visible in an erl you know if you just exist digitally a community is it’s like from my point of view it’s a sense of feelings something you see digital but also you can see it in real life so you can touch it you can you know smell and so on so i tried my best to build a community and a community is about like people i worked with within sweden or i know and also the community that not in sweden like in the digital community and so far it’s going good because i see people interacting with each other people like sending me feedback or we have like this little community around like these questions or these topics in urbanistic about urban planning people environment but i believe that when things get back to url the community can get bigger because then we can have other activities to make the community stronger like okay let’s have a meeting you know talk about maybe this episode or who wants to go to this seminar and we can have like a an after work so like do more interaction uh with each other how how do you feel from your side do you feel it’s easy to build a community around the podcast in this digital world i have always found it a challenge really because i think i’ve got a small following and i seem to have a small but loyal following but i think one of the it’s not really a negative but it’s just an unknown is that you don’t know who’s listening and who’s engaging and who’s enjoying and who gave up on you and you can’t go and chase them and say no no i improved it try us again um you know i get some really really lovely feedback from people and especially since actually i have increased a lot of things i have more than doubled a lot of things because of just moving fully online and being able to speak to people like you it’s just really expanded the scope of the podcast but also the reach because i think then people think oh actually that’s really interesting it’s not just about movies it’s not just about art it’s about all these different things because i think for this podcast it was a bit of a risk being quite broad because i’m very open-minded about what audio-visual culture could be and it’s audio visual cultures so it’s plural so it includes things like urban planning and architecture because that’s what’s all around us it is part of our visual and you know oral culture as well because we can think about the signs of the cities as well i mean not so much a part of it maybe not maybe we’re thinking about the visual of a city layout or how you can navigate it and move through it but also how does it sound you know is it too loud is it too quiet do you have quiet spaces to go to are there places where you can sit and have a quiet chat are there places where it’s okay for you to go and sing and be loud and and have public meetings and so on you know so there’s lots of so many different areas that we can get into so it’s very similar to you and that i want to present to people right these people are doing really fascinating things and this is a space where we can dip in and out and show that actually it’s nothing exists in a vacuum all of it is connected in some way yeah i totally agree with you and also like about how many people listen and so so far you believe in this and you’re passionate about this you should do it and it’s you know it’s about enjoying the journey as well and yeah it’s also about uh being passionate things will not happen during one day you know but so far you’re delivering a value things will happen in the long run and i totally agree with you that urban planning and architecture is a part of our culture as well and we didn’t like really talked in details of how but it is a really strong part of it and as you say like it’s very broad that’s because you’re super curious and it’s it’s a good to start with and and it’s also a journey for you maybe like you will find a niche and you want to continue with this but at the same time from my side as well like i am also broads i’m talking about city so it’s uh again like i want to listen to everybody and in the end for the listeners if there’s like somebody interested in this okay there is this kind of podcast is available and at the same time there are like thousand other podcasts with very niche like talking only about cars in the city or like light in the city and so on so i think you’re delivering a value and in the long run you will not be able to answer your followers

yeah i think that’s it it’s driven by right this is what i’m interested in i’m happy to hear from you about what you’re interested in but i think this is really awesome yeah yeah yeah exactly and i think in the end it’s about you being passionate and you you work hard and you deliver this value and then it’s up to people if they want to get it and enjoy it or if they do not want you cannot force people you know but for the best you you you’re producing a content yeah well yeah we’re all content providers these days yeah and i i i really like it was very cool moment for me when many students wrote to me in linkedin and they’d be like we used your podcast this episode as a reference in our thesis oh no you know how do we write you know i don’t know what you call it the reference yeah i’d be like i have no idea so yeah i’d be like what really so i was like really happy and i’m so grateful for people that when they write me and like in the beginning the voice quality was not so good yeah because you know i was also learning the journey and there was uh one girl she’d be like i hate your podcast because i cannot really listen because i she’s like putting the volume on the maximum level and still like not really yeah but it’s it’s good that she wrote me so i fix it or i do something about it yeah yeah or there’s there was one guy like this is really funny he told me i love your podcast because it makes me sleep

i said oh thank you so much uh now i see my podcast delivering a value it makes you sleep thank you so much for telling this comforting voice yeah he told me no don’t don’t get me in the wrong way but it’s like very good flow i feel happy then i just go to sleep there are two podcasts where i do listen to the episodes properly but if i can’t sleep i will go and listen to old episodes that i’ve heard before because it just relaxes me enough and i can go to sleep and the voices are like silk you know yeah yeah yeah yeah i understand you because i think this is the beauty of the audio you know that you can multitask you can you know wash dishes or you can run and or work or even sleep this is why podcast is growing so much now and like big companies like amazon spotify apple are investing in this because it’s about time which is very valuable for us so i take it you find it hugely enjoyable to make urbanistic out yeah sure sure i spent like so many hours but i am in love with it and because when i listen i learn so much actually and sometimes i be like should i stop should i continue because you know it’s taking uh so much time but for me i don’t really feel that it’s a wasting time or too much of hard working because i’m i’m enjoying it so it’s yeah it’s a beautiful journey it’s a great skill set i think to have because you’re not just learning how to speak to people in a way that is listenable for other people but it’s the audio editing and it’s producing it and learning what’s a good approach to writing to people to be on the podcast if you don’t know them it’s all sorts of things you know and as you say it’s that trial and error of how is the equipment working how can i learn how to improve the sound quality because i think a lot of us have started our podcasts ad hoc with no professional equipment we’ve had to learn and we’ve had to make makeshift ways of getting around certain problems and learning how to use audio editing suites and you know diw’s digital audio workspaces and things yeah so it’s a huge amount of skills that you’ve developed as well as you mentioned it’s a journey you’re learning you become a problem solver you become a good speaker and communicator with people trying to have a good conversation in the emails trying to have a good conversation when we talk like this and recording and also you’re learning so much like both skills wise and like leadership like from the beginning of the podcast one year ago in stockholm we have this you know podcast studios that you just go there they fix everything and you pay and that’s it but for me i i wanted the journey you know i wanted to learn these skills i want to get my hands dirty like i listened to youtube bought microphone edited and okay many times i thought i was recording but i did not yeah and i’m i’m so so grateful and thankful for all the guests for them being in my podcast for two times because the first time we just missed it wow yeah many things happen but when these things happen you learn other stuff like you learn how to fix it you learn how to manage the situation you know and so on so you explore also how to deal with people and what kind of people are you talking with so i i think it’s a very very great journey to be honest and that’s why you’re keeping doing it i am keeping doing it because we get so much of it i feel very similar to you as well i love doing this i love speaking to people like you because i learn loads of things and i listen to my own podcast because i want to hear what the guest is saying all over again because i mean i’m i’m in the conversation now but i’m also managing other things yeah then i’ll edit it but i’m just making sure it’s a good listening experience so i’m not listening for the content but so i listen to the finished thing for the content again and that’s me hearing you talk about all your awesome stuff and that’s when i learn everything properly yeah yeah i understand you because as you mentioned during the like during now when we record as a host you need to keep eye on time questions smile to the guests and yeah manage some money stuff so you sometimes you’re not really 100 in every single word that the guest says but when you edit you’ll be like wow this is so wise i love this i love this and yeah and this is also like part of why i’m editing it by myself instead of outsourcing it because every watch they say it’s valuable for me as an urban planner yes and when i listen to a person delivering a value i don’t want to miss it so i write down actually and then i use it in my work or i use them as you know like in my life a personal life so yeah it’s again it’s a very beautiful journey in one year i learned so much to be honest that’s so lovely would you like to point people listening to this towards urbanistica where can they find out about the podcast where can they listen and where can they find out about you and follow you so also thank you for giving this opportunity for giving this platform so you can find urbanistic podcasts like in every podcast application just write urbanistica on instagram i’m very active there like urbanistic podcast i’m doing stories and show what’s behind the scenes and so on because it’s important for me to show the work behind the scenes to so people understand how it is function and so on so instagram and facebook as well it’s a facebook page on linkedin you can write mustafa sheriff and i will be very happy to have you there because i think there we can really inspire each other when you like publish articles or comment on each other like in a professional way as well so yeah linkedin instagram facebook and your favorite podcast application and is there anything else that you would like to say to put across to people that we haven’t touched on today well there’s so much to say but what i want to say is about we should like really take opportunity of this podcast world there are so many podcasts about everything you imagine and if you didn’t find your favorite podcasts maybe you should start a podcast yeah yeah but i think this podcast world is giving so much values i’m learning so much by listening so to different podcasts and be be open like be open listen to different podcasts so you understand what you like what you don’t like i think you should understand the journey of doing a podcast also like from 0 to 100 episode the development and so on so enjoy the podcast world mr fishery it’s been really wonderful talking to you today thank you so much for this thank you so much paula i’m really happy and i like your podcast and also i like how you think by art and culture bringing people together and this is a great platform thank you so much for having me thank you you feel the same thank you

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