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Audiovisual Cultures Episode 126 – Game Day with Dean Simone, Val McAdoo and Pete Postiglione

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Paula Blair chats with Dean Simone, Val McAdoo and Pete Postiglione about making their sports-themed family drama independent feature film Game Day (dir. Edgar Michael Bravo, 2021). Each talk through their production experiences in front of and behind the camera, Italian-American culture and family, and growing film production and storytelling embedded in Philadelphia. Includes plot details and potential spoilers.

Music: commonGround by airtone (c) copyright 2018 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution Noncommercial (3.0) license. Edited by Paula Blair with Audacity. Recorded on 14 September 2022 using Zoom. Get early access on Patreon.

Dean and Paula connected via matchmaker.fm

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hello you’re very welcome to audio visual cultures the podcast that explores sets of different areas across film the arts and media I am polo player and for this episode it was my greatest pleasure to speak to dean’s Simone file market J. and Pete posted on all access and had various production roles and the independent film Kim tae released in late twenty twenty one and tonight quite widely available for streaming we talk about it’s a production process of the film this seems a right place cultural identity and familial inter relationships before we meet them I want to let you all know that instead of every other Wednesday the podcast is making a slight shift she releasing on the first and third Wednesdays of the month I am busy at the moment Swiss paid work and Tobago writing projects all of which I needs to prioritise says site just don’t have enough income from the podcast she justify keeping its shed gill head of doing these other jobs that are giving me income and I’m also relinquishing myself from the responsibility of producing contents every months so if there are months coming up where I don’t have to yep the suits will skip that month this is so I don’t short change our patrons who pay for extras an early releases and I can just pause their payments until thurs content coming up again I want to keep the quality high for all of he and I can do that better if I’m not burning nice and I’m not getting stressed so I’m sure you’ll understand and I hope you’ll agree that ice being consistent for four years some of you haven’t been around for that long some of you have you know if you’ve been here from the start you know initially we started off weakly then after I think about it six months or something dot became unsustainable because I’m doing this by myself and then we switch to the fortnightly format which has been working really well and it allows me to catch up to my south after years of really struggling I’m not only actually getting really get paid work and as a Sam I just need to prioritize stop because the podcast has remained pretty stagnant in terms of getting an income and I’ve tried to do the whole really plying everything and see it and and everything and it hasn’t really quite worked so it’s working in other areas of my life and I need said go where the money yes really hopefully we’ll keep enjoying audio visual cultures as sweet path it very slightly T. twice monthly which worksite really not much differently at least not for awhile and then there might to speak out months and then hopefully you’ll enjoy this all the more when we come back okay invigorated its hands not to spit and stuff but for the sake of it my huge thanks to see our patrons out to pitch the on dot com forward slash AV cultures and everybody they sang he has reached ITS feedback and basis on socials this whole really helps other listeners find the show and learn from our fantastic cast I had an absolute blast recording this with Dane file and pastes and I’m sure you’ll really enjoy this conversation take a thank you so much for being on my show and I love my babies I love speaking see independent film makers and it’s just so exciting to connect with people across the Atlantic as well dean Simone follow my Kitty and Pete Pocic Leone thank you all so much for joining me on audio visual cultures at youthful been unfolds and making at quite a special independent sports themes family drama feature film called PM day which we’re gonna try ends slash I’d a little bit and I understand it’s very much teens be a baby as a co writer of the film as well so we’ll do that in a moment but first of all it would be fantastic to get some voices attached to those names so it’s okay can I go awry and everybody if you’re happy to just introduce yourself tell us a little bit about yourself and your involvement in the film that would be a great starts sounds good %HESITATION dean Simone and %HESITATION I was one of the co writers and co producers on this and I was one of the actors in it it’s well we shot it back in our home town those guys live there now I’d like to live there in Philadelphia so %HESITATION we definitely brought a little bit of Philly the camera I and now I’m acting here %HESITATION I eat the card and Jeannie for tankers take great heart to Frank and %HESITATION I helped produce the film as well and we shot in my home town where I live right now which is why first name right outside of Philly south Philly Philly born and raised hi my name is Pete because the ground I also helps to produce the movie %HESITATION and I was the first assistant director on this as well as our small part is checked in the movie okay the name we still why you chose that name but I remember you telling there was a real person it was it was a boyhood friend so that okay this is a lot there to try and tease a he does we go sorry then that’s wonderful thank you so Dana I think because you you co wrote the film if it’s okay can I get you to give us a bit of an eye nine of the story and tell us a bit about your character the main character’s lack that’s all right yeah yeah well it’s really about family and it’s about family dysfunction and family function as well that’s about it really old coming to a crescendo on one day on a Sunday when like %HESITATION everybody in Philadelphia does on Sundays during football season we all gather to watch the eagles it’s a big family get together it also happens to be in the story my oldest son Vince’s birth back so there is a quite a bit of a family drama that kind of %HESITATION old hits it one time it’s a lot of things that have been building up for awhile some of the family members have been avoiding each other this is a situation where they cannot they’re kind of thrown in an arena of the house together and then to add to it all it’s %HESITATION the eagles first the cowboys which is our rivalry so generally when that game happens emotions are high and %HESITATION emotions were already high but %HESITATION it definitely exacerbated the situation so it’s just a lot of %HESITATION a lot of family stuff a lot of I am food for any end and file to cheat then tell us a bit more but GMAT what’s going on with GMA and the film sure well it’s Jamie at this point knows that there’s kind of something going on with her husband and the axe I think you she’s preparing to have everybody over you know on this Sunday and she kind of knows the drama that will go down but then when she finds out that Michelle the axis coming not real happy so %HESITATION that’s pretty much is going on and I think that you know Jamie kind of represents a lot of women you know in that stage of like marriage and everything there’s a low and I’m sort of there’s a decision that needs to be made about her relationship with her husband and also she kind of struggles with their relationship with their mother as well which I think it’s pretty much the pre determining factor which makes or even marry a man like Zach anyway Hey what’s that yeah I reasoned that you actually I think that that’s me what’s the psychology behind Jamie okay that’s really interesting and so this mysterious caps and what’s going on with caprese cap in this story Richard was a space later in the film as Jamie’s new %HESITATION husband yeah %HESITATION you know this as years have passed they think they both have moved on and we basically get invited to dinner nana this act characters restaurant managing decides to go there in the end well I don’t want to give it all the rulers yeah yeah I think the drama and I’ll say it they won’t but these two in this film really drives the story I think in families in general whenever there’s multi generations and sampling there’s rivalries that exist whether they’re supposed to or not and this really is a good hard look at that and there are some strong women characters in this film you know because grandma lives with with Zach and Zach’s home and I know she’s a strong character and she’s inside her give him that space if they’re strong women you know and and the characters about place Jamie super strong so I think it’s just it’s just a raw look at family you know what happens to be about Italian American family and sometimes there is that negative vulcun Bach on occasion or you know that mafioso connotation here but you know you take away the Italian American and I think a lot of people will cut doesn’t resonate with a lot of folks out just family in general and the rivalries that exist within the family thank you and that was something I was going to ask actually because being based in the U. K. and I think for a listener she would be on this side of the Atlantic so in U. K. art and Europe and further afield it would be really nice said if you guys could flashlight that kind of intensity because we really only have access to that taglyan American identity through the likes of mafia films and that sort of thing and it would be really lovely C. look at that more in a domestic sphere when you bring up a really good point which is unfortunately and I think all of us can say we all like the sopranos and Goodfellas and godfather as much as anybody does but the preponderance of Italian Americans are not in the mafia okay it is a minute amount of people that actually are and %HESITATION really what the film really is about is about family and Pete said it well and it’s true I mean it could be anything we’ve gotten such a since he got released in to be an absolutely I’m more folks got a chance to see it which were really happy about is that because we’ve just had some such strong reactions from people and they’re not Italian southerners you know who are we gonna waspi southerners and people in California and Hispanic people and African American people that we now we’ve gotten so much response because it really the Italian aspect is it’s just a flavoring but it’s not really what it’s about what it’s really about is being true to yourself and navigating to the Mays family which is not easy and anyway four and I think if I can add to your arm yeah definitely it’s nine element I like the team that is like the flavoring in a way because really all families are like this especially in this day and age where you know they’re step kids and there’s yeah my people are moving in with their parents or their parents are moving in with them so you have a house filled with all these different generations and you know things like that so I think that people can relate to it that way they’re being Italian not but I can say that also being in the Italian American in Philadelphia there’s even like an added I think because I mean lots of times tutors like the Philadelphia version and then there’s New York yeah there’s a very strong presence that like a Italian Catholic people in Philadelphia so with that being said I think that really all cultures can definitely identify with this %HESITATION it especially the dynamics of the family with all of the people living together and then forget my two stepsons like I really I love like a lie because I helped to raise them you know when Jeannie up to research at the same time like one of them dressed me not hello we don’t know exactly surplus right I mean I grew up my my parents are both from south Philly so those Sunday dinners were every week a family meal and it was brave for dean to write the story of his family but at the same time that wasn’t anything new for right it was just yeah I don’t mind my dad comes from nine and he would be arguing all the siblings the end of the day they just give each other a hug you kiss on the you know it’s you can see you next week type of thing so but I get all families are like that I mean I you know do you have siblings Paul I do yes I have an older sister yeah you’re just talking there Pete it’s reminding me of my childhood and the big Sunday dinners with the family and everything yeah right you didn’t know annoyed anyone it’s funny how this all works out because you know Pete knight and scion earth gruppen jelly so it just the way that all of this went down with like auditioning for this but we’re truly authenticated right like we ended up coming here which is really cool because spend most of the cast you know had accidentally entered the teacher with yeah that’s it you can browse making the accent was like we’re all set we we you know it drives all of us crazy collectively here Yorkers doing able Pete Pete was in silver linings playbook yep he was an actor it’s everybody’s playbook it was one of the few people actually had a Philadelphia accent it it you know I mean it’s like you see these people and they everyone thinks that on a Philadelphia accent is a New York accent and that would be sort of like saying that an Irish accent is the same as a %HESITATION a northern England accent or you know %HESITATION sounds the same it’s close but it’s different in a lot of it begin ways and %HESITATION we try to really keep a tribute to that because we felt like it it added to the credibility and I mean it was it was Philly made all the way we had the food a lot of the sponsors were %HESITATION stakes in DNS ravioli and okay he’s yeah yeah and then like even at the arm premier Kerr goes deep that totally Jenny yeah yeah I mean it was in it you may now sign there with a cab driver so it was a good authentic like we we tried very hard to make it as authentic as we can it was it wasn’t a strong representation of your because I routine sometimes in movies kind of beer away from I don’t know too too far away from that short you’re trying to portray it’s a parents in the audience and the minute you step down I mean that the opening scene it’s like oh I know exactly where I am right there’s no pretending there isn’t you know it’s you get right in and and to that point the acting across the board to pay back to us and we helps to cast about ninety if not ninety five percent of this movie yeah you guys did it up absolutely and it was across the board spectacular I’m the performances are spectacular and there’s you know there’s not an A. Lister in the bunch but I would put them up against any A. Lister because I think that this movie is that strong and this one sitting right next to us through such a transformation armed with their character and dean also like you when you watch a story or watch a movie and you’re looking for that character to make a change you’re looking for that internal struggle these two it’s really it’s so good it’s so good it really is well I tell you what when I went back there and I didn’t I didn’t know these guys you know so %HESITATION I was so excited to go back home to to begin with and to make the movie back there and then %HESITATION beating these guys it was incredible I mean they probably tell your you know people always think that %HESITATION you’re in Philly so okay well you know it’s more it’s more worldly in New York or there it’s more worldly and Londoners more worldly and in LA and it couldn’t be further from the truth I mean these guys have done all kinds of incredible work as actors is director I mean I was really honored to be there and work with them and I really felt we felt when we were doing it that we were doing something special and then there were times when we butted heads there were times when we got on each other’s nerves because I mean this was like true independent film making I mean we work we were eyeball to eyeball twelve hour days man it’s like I got two hours sleep last night I was staying in this hotel that was like in the town is gorgeous it’s right outside of Philadelphia all this counts worth more media I’m just just their incredible but all I got in one hotel that was like still not gorgeous in line god I believe he chose that one the land wire yeah it is you would literally takes you to a better what a good man there’s no doubt when they dropped me off at four PM PDT everything was doing a million different things on the stat drops me off and we’re talking in the car and this poor guy had like maybe three hours sleep like like literally six nights in a row these guys would sleep in the work and all day on the show that you know I mean it was nonstop and denied having this great conversation all three of us clicked so well for different reasons than just billing got along with each other so well or sit in the car and peach like listen I love you buddy but I gotta go you gotta get out of my car my wife and I’m like this guy is a man after my own heart which is a fallacy exactly black especially with cleaning right now I’m just gonna say you’re like oh you know this truly was like an indie found and you know we’re all kind of low budget cutting corners and we actually we have some of the people stating that you are not the only okay deny are very much a clean a lot of the time people are quite honestly right late late teens it’s mom I’m in our kitchen is like immaculate rain I’m like super crazy some of the people there were nice and not so much smaller S. nine Greece curling is I’ll even we’re getting rid he these two right well give us thirty minutes set out to clean it before we did it because it wasn’t it wasn’t clean enough for the way dean try to get you noticed it was okay Dick Italian kitchen I mean about you can’t just so so we we help no real time we had seen it myself it wasn’t a production al yeah X. lean right way around here I text this weekend my wife texts or because I was clean our bathroom she she was taking pictures of the click after I’m telling you I can’t tell you Risi with that kind of stuff order is like yeah I dislike the way global on that thing you know I mean you know we were yeah but it’s great when teams like for like any picture and she’s like look at this you scream like that your the grout looks on the yeah now that that tracked me and it’s about the grout that’s exactly it well you’re welcome right near anytime Dane I would like to bring you lace well take a flight out here are you right now I’m in the north east of England seven Newcastle upon Tyne okay this is where I’ve drifted off today yes ET in England’s first semester and I am your mind and then university of Essex okay you too much warmer than where I am up in the Norse there were you originally from I’m from Belfast city you got you got it you heard it yeah yeah I’m from Belfast yes so I mean it just here you’ll talk and cheer everybody really mucking in you know I’m from a small nation that’s really bought land to get any of its own industry so I’m absolutely hearing you when you’re talking about getting accents writes I heard enough dodgy old Xerox by the pros you know so it’s certainly I’m absolutely hearing it all from Serra this is just this is Goldie no this is great it’s great to hear this because we don’t hear enough of stories behind independent filmmaking in the U. S. because it’s so over saturated with Hollywood filmmaking and so this is just so valuables here but all of your adduction experiences as well as %HESITATION the actual film itself for sure really exciting and an invalid peaches that are really really need film with %HESITATION kids they they also run a %HESITATION in in an acting studio in school for our kids and that they they just made a movie called the seven which is terrific and they have %HESITATION do you know they have a lot of the kids that they teach and kids in the area are in it and they just do a great job it’s just really really awesome and %HESITATION I think we need more that you know people people viewed as provincial and think that that means in some respect that that’s a bad word and I think that really that’s really where things are headed you know I mean I really think we need more more of that because let’s face it I mean the world is %HESITATION it shrinking you know it’s it it is it is really changing so I think that %HESITATION when you can give a real flavour of an area but let people know Hey you know what this is not much different than what you’ve got happening in Marietta Georgia or this is a much different than what you have happening in Idaho or or or anywhere it says a lot and I think that %HESITATION I I I can’t speak for these guys but I know that again since the movie came out game day aren’t going out to be I’ve had so many people see it and I’ve had so much of the same reaction where I got my stomach was in knots and it’s a very funny thing because I can’t speak for these guys but for me I would say that my stomach is in knots when that kind of trauma exists in our families I don’t think we have drama bad bad obviously it’s fiction not a documentary but %HESITATION people really get surly really feel it you know %HESITATION it’s so nice it’s it’s a taste of what it’s like on a Sunday in an Italian family yeah every piece of that this function is I was like this is not the birds in yeah right clean is slash but my dad always used like I like what you’re saying about you know these independent sounds like the flavor of that particular area I love that my dad always used to say same only different and it kind of makes me think of that because yeah we are all the same in so many ways but sometimes it’s so beautiful to see a big difference you know to see those little idiosyncrasies of a particular group that just makes them so unique you know about independent films you can really see that you can really appreciate anything really feel that you know what it’s like to come from a certain area whatever it is you know in our director Edgar Bravo did a really excellent job it and %HESITATION really it’s it was like procuring talent and then letting the people do what they do and then he was a really good true north was saying that’s bull crap that’s truthful you know he really he really did a lot to get a real honest performances because no matter how good or bad actors I don’t care if you’re like a master like Jeff bridges eight we all have trips will have little tricks that we fall you know you know it’s it’s a conscious I mean peace Pete directs to bass started direct as well I mean so he could speak to that probably better than I can it’s really hard to get actors to move away from their little tricks little things they do what do you think about that P. I agree with Edgar’s approach to this actors will tell you all day long no I can do it that number track so yes I agree with you dean could endure endure with throw ideas at the actors and being the first day day I literally standing next to him pretty much every shot and I would look at him and I’d be like where is that coming from the field but all it did was a listed these responses in these actors you know that may go against the grain of what the scenes about but it’s it was a tiny little instance of of a reaction or a tiny little moments he would grab it and to that end the guy shooting behind the camera last three which brought yep he he made this from the pictures in this film are starting the lighting you may not know this until I tell you but each character has its own lighting scheme which I thought was just amazing and I didn’t know that until last told us and then he sent us pictures demonstrating how the different hues and the different colors were utilized for different characters and that could just blends right into the movie but if you’re really paying attention to the cinematography you notice that absolutely said searcher and I also well I would be remiss not to mention that %HESITATION the person who played my father an attorney Devin he passed away yeah and %HESITATION Tony was a a brilliant actor such a good hearted guy and %HESITATION I’m really glad that one of the last things he did he got a chance to do something that was really %HESITATION deep challenging thing and he crushed it so love to Tony and we ought we miss them I think about him all the time these guys have noted much longer than I have %HESITATION but I really enjoyed the time that I work with them and and we we missed some so %HESITATION so yeah when you watch the film yes that’s one of his last performances and he crushed it degree right yeah you know what it was this last major performance and the thing is that it’s funny because we were P. nine you know we read the script and then once we decided after you know speaking read at current John and scenes of the Grassley mirror you know the production here in media rate will rerun characterless in I looked at each other and leverage our band we are like at you can amen amen dition for anger and anger is soon as it was that you just over there everything that are you kidding me yeah I know it’s like you don’t like you know like we could have found a better person to play against solid so it was such a good he’s a solid actor and he is from a very young age she used to be a singer on Broadway in New York in the transition to film and television and he has done everything that you could possibly imagine in many high profile situations both film and television but sad to say that sometimes the older you get you don’t really get these meaty roles in that you used to and the minute he read this he was like I love this yeah I want to do this and we were all all of us were honored that she decided to do this because he he really did a tremendous that’s one of his best performances while he said that he’s like yeah I’m I’m really proud of this yeah really not of it and he went out like I said it was like it happened for me yes don’t get us wrong but it’s the best way is Paul all the best you know all the best ways just to give a shout out to the whole cast body only who played my mother brilliant the awesome woman Nick Mike my middle son who %HESITATION just a just a handsome charismatic awesome actor Mikey played my oldest son was just I mean just brilliant just great presents great great acting great job Machel who played my ex really was like just got the essence of of what it’s like to be broke in and be in that situation that she was in who am I forgetting guides I mean obviously Val and Pete both awesome as always I’m working with Val was so great I just love doing the scenes with her and it was like actors like it really is like playing tennis you know you’re volleying back and forth and it was just such a treat to going back to go back and forth with our and it was with PT we have a really nice scene at the end there to do it I just these guys are great and %HESITATION Philly actors don’t get near near the amount of respect that they deserve people don’t realize how many awesome actors you want to just keep making films in Philly so that’s the next step and the thing is that we I just down our hardest scenes the first day zero so even when I was you know it but actually I am so glad that we did and and %HESITATION kind of talked about how important that is to do that anchor I really did I mean what extent tastic teacher’s name and I learned from all this that he said you know when you throw it Schering characters in a given the hardest scenes first it kind of sets the pace for everything else foundation and the white guy not like we just can’t act and it just works like we did and from the beginning on the stairs that date it was hardly worked at all with the ship not on the phone I think we did a facetime call or whatever was just gonna introduce ourselves to one another say we’ll be working together for the next twenty days and and then yeah it was like you know when you meet someone and you feel like old friends yelling you know and that’s the way it feels with dean which is why he calls us the triplets yeah I mean I did this ridiculous get calls when okay finally what you like and you should it’s like the trick %HESITATION so really trips are %HESITATION we’re looking to make more movies policy amazing ad that science and toss say they there’s been so much insight from this %HESITATION quite short conversation I’m just wary of time because we’ve only got a few minutes before as in Texas self testing could you just Sam remind everybody where all the combat system see if mention TV which is available I think for U. S. audiences but just more broadly where is it available for people it’s also on Amazon %HESITATION prime rental and %HESITATION to be is the current streaming deal right now but I’m there is going to be more NVMe %HESITATION it’s also available on video as well and we’re good we’re looking at %HESITATION also more platforms that are coming down the pike and %HESITATION that is not our area of what’s happening so they tell us where it is and we let people know but for now it’s it’s to be Amazon prime and DiMeo and in other countries the best way I would take do you go about renting it is to go to the website what’s the website again being WWW dot game day the movie review dot com and I got back yes whether or not you asked you know %HESITATION absolutely are you gonna put are you going to put the website like right there when you right and they show no that’s for sure and I’m making sure everybody yeah because in check said I it’s it’s just always so humbling just hearing from Jobing filmmakers and actors and everybody wore working their socks off to put it very mildly just keep chugging and keep trying to G. what you’re nothing saying it I mean it just what you’ve achieved is just so phenomenal and absolutely it feels it feels very like regional sentiment here in the U. K. and our dentist while what you doing those and those some lesser known areas of such a massive place so it’s really cool for people like me to learn more about each all of that does anybody have any very brief closing thoughts anything you wear BT burning to say that we have on call teachers so we have a couple of minutes I I think yes maybe we touched on this earlier but I think it’s it’s fair to say and he mentioned that there are some really good actors here in Philadelphia pockets of people exist everywhere right but Hollywood or we assume that you have to go there yeah and we are living proof that that’s not true the hardest part of our puzzle is making sure people see a great movie and that’s all we really want to do at the end of the day yeah having millions of dollars will be fantastic we all agree but we still are going to make great films and we want people to see so the more we do stuff like that so when we meet people like you all up and get the word out there about these films I mean it just helps and thank you problem because it’s people like you yeah okay right now absolutely many independent aren’t seen because you know we on that budget to market like crazy now exactly yeah Preciado great sounds and and tastic stories or really touch your heart you listen to podcasts like this thank you thank you yeah I echo that sentiment as well Paul thank you for having us it was really great talking to you and we did our best to tell the truth and I can tell you one thing in the in the Philadelphia fashion %HESITATION it’s all about never quitting and it’s all about giving it all you got and %HESITATION we definitely did that’s we want people to go out there check out game day if you love the classic films like main street and you up all those great seventies movies that we all well you guys can grow up with maybe I would very young but we definitely try to tell the truth and we definitely try to bring back a style of cinema that we really feel is important and so we hope everybody sees it and we we hope it touches everybody thanks so much for having us we we sure appreciate it I’m missing thank you all thank you have a great rest of your day

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Audiovisual Cultures episode 121 – Grant Applications

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Paula Blair talks through a successful grant application to Arts Council England, radical honesty, and time-saving strategies. In this episode you’ll get advice on the stages of applying for a grant such as the necessary preparation, where to find specific guidance, compiling a budget and networking. Issues that arise include paying yourself and others fairly, identifying eligibility, what fund is right for your needs, and access requirements for submission. If you get something out of this or know someone who will, please share it.

Music: commonGround by airtone (c) copyright 2018 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution Noncommercial (3.0) license. Edited by Paula Blair with Audacity. Recorded June 2022. Get early access to future episodes on Patreon.

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hello everyone thank hope you’re dating while you’re very welcome to the audio visual cultures the podcast three comments lots of different areas of film and the arts and media I’m your host Paula Blair and today I wanted to talk about his ground applications I’m gonna try to remember to you read my notes slowly and deliberately so that the auto transcription produced by my host a cast has the best chance of keeping up so that these notes which I have hundreds %HESITATION I’ve charted destroying at various times find nice had a bit of a child since usually when I’ve managed to get her to walk and it’s a little bit Sunday and I’ve managed to get some sun if you know me personally you know I cannot bear the coals and I find it really difficult to regulate my body temperature so I am basically a lizard Hey enjoys lying in the sun as much as possible I’ve been really congested it’s this past week but I just saw this was good opportunity to record this because a call quiet heists and the street is quiet at the moment and I just thought I’ll just start recording at least get the first section done so I’m gonna try in to this quite so earlier very free of course to speed it up if you want to read a story or you just want to hear me signed like pinky and perky or alone in the chipmunks whichever references preferable TA so then this can be a bit more accessible hopefully in case when they talk about aids proved useful sandy one and I really hope it well before I get into talking about eight grams applications I want to give my huge thanks to our awesome patrons on Patreon dot com forward slash a C. cultures and a big thanks as well to all of her followers Messner’s as opened in every episode lately we’ve been getting really lovely feedback and and creating a note from my dear friends Mister James hall he has been on the show before and am is a big supporter and Dick said that they just wanted to say that the last episodes of audio visual cultures was really good especially for the generous candor ax ax and that was referring to the episode one hundred and seventeen where I eat I just checked in with everybody and I talk about how things have been going so far this year so in a way this is a bit of a sequel so that so this is high one of the things I talked about it and not turn the heat as I mentioned applying for the grants that I’m going to tell you bites today thought was successful so and I just wanted to share some stuff because it’s a ruling grants from arts council England a lot of people hi to every rind so if I can give back and help other people because there were people he helped me get mine then hopefully we can just keep that circularity main thing in get people more recognition for their work so those of you who know me personally or follow my personal kinds on the socials you might know that hyphen Trent it really take my life and career and hands this year so I decided that twenty twenty two was the year in which I was determined to make things happen for myself I was feeling really stagnant appoints the podcast and I was feeling very stuck in terms of being able to get a job have more income and T. something west my skills and knowledge and developer writing career and there’s been a lot holding me back from all of those things so I’ve talked a bit about that in the past in may will come up again it’s not really going to be the focus of what I want to talk about today so I suppose it’s just giving you a bit of background about where I am and where I’ve been I knew going into the center of her that I needed to prepare myself mentally for a process that would involve a lot of rejection disappointment and feelings of failure and so I went into this trying to embrace failure and embrace it just not working I did just not happening inspired very much by Maisie hill he I’ve mentioned before you know I’m trying to realize and remember the thought to some have to mean anything about me S. I. M. rejected from jobs that I apply for even though I’m perfectly qualified leads and I have experience or transferable skills it doesn’t say anything about me as a person if I tried it and it hasn’t worked on aids and a lot of the times and may just be I haven’t beat the algorithm because that’s how a lot of recruitment searches work Miami is our applications are three programs algorithms that Packer eight certain words and if you don’t have to spas words that they’re looking for %HESITATION or at least not in the right places you’re gonna get chucked alright so they’re talking I perfectly good applications because sometimes humanness and even reading them so there’s a lot of factors that go into a not getting shortlisted for a check up but again that’s not what we’re talking about today but again part of the broader boxed off of all of this this is something I’ve been doing to normalize failure is I’ve been posting to my blog and that is find out P. A. B. L. A. I. R. dot blogspot dot com and I’ve been posting on the blog rejected cover letters and supporting statements and project proposals so this was I suppose a form of cathartic release as well as a way of setting the record show that I tried and not I continue to try and the face if all of that rejection so I’ve had some very warm responses to these as well and it’s got me thinking about how you dismayed I am that making the effort two times guter flowing prose and narratives can’t beat the algorithm and I find it really so less T. tryin rights statements that might speak the algorithm so I think that’s something I’ve realized by myself very recently and sites you know I need to think about what kind of writer I might that I feel like I cannot compromise on that anymore and I’ve been getting complimented a lot on the very personable way that I try to write and that is very much what the Scranton surprised that I’m I’m going to tell you about it so it’s a mentions in hundred and seventeen if the opposites ago I’ve been putting more energy into seeing what I’m saying S. H. all these notes that is writing and that brings me to the my kidneys the so this block of notes I wrote on Thursday the second of June and on Monday the thirtieth of may I was notified that my application to the arts council England’s developing your creative practice grants scheme was successful no this episodes is releasing an eighth July when I should be in my research phase but as I write I haven’t told very many people and it’s been a real flurry of activity to get the paperwork sorted to secure the money and kept picking on to training courses and ordering backs because it started this week I’m recording this first block of what I want to say and this episodes on Friday the tenth of June I technically started to make rounds periods on Wednesday %HESITATION September first two days and really it’s two days a week up until the end of February so I basically have a part time job until the end of February at this point but I still got the money three but it was just one of the core says surrounding started on Thursday yesterday so I just got started with the whole thing this week I should stress that this is not a huge grounds but the point of this game S. T. buy yourself time and to get skilled up bits hi are you gonna step up your practice it’s with the intention of leading to your career development it’s basically the time and money in this space to really push three and step up with your career development what that means for me is it covers fees for some specific types of writing course fees to pay people for me to enter he and to get mentoring from and it will give me his face for my time spent developing the skills and then moving into testing ites the writing practice I want to develop I’m not writing practice is a creative critical practice that combines life riding our trading and creative nonfiction so it’s really space to experiment with those and see if I can develop a pic manuscripts from not kind of bland of things because you know me I can’t just do one thing here as we were talking about it and the previous episodes with Jordan lamb everything’s connected and for me things are very fluid and borderless so that’s exactly what my writing is going to pay it’s going to be from a personal perspective but it’s still I still wanted to have her bust researching criticism and analysis but also to be accessible creative nonfiction as well I want people to want to read it to enjoy reading at CP and rolled in the narratives and T. G. something that gets people excited about art and I said if it’s people he wouldn’t normally engage with art and culture even better so it’s quite big aims and intentions there so this is going to be as they say two days a week until February so I’ve got two days a week eight four console into February which is a massive relief U. S. I was mad as I was saying earlier I’ve made this really concentrated efforts over the past six months or so really since late twenty twenty one to apply for jobs and funding and the two things that have come of all of all of the many things I’ve applied for while they’re not a listing or earning me enough to have financial freedom you enough for their sense it is a bit of breathing space and it’s supposed to do with writing and there’s things that I really feel and taste of bytes limit excited about them so without feels goods and I don’t feel so bad about the rejections because you have to be perfectly honest to buy those things my motivations are always floods when I apply for certain jobs and these are the sorts of things I really want to say but it’s just a real pity that they’re not taken seriously enough that there’s actual proper page work especially if you’re trying to transition from a career paths that distant and quite go where you imagined it might and you turn it something different this feels really difficult since he’s out certain I and a lot of my friends have done this and it really hasn’t been easy and I think mine is quite directionless because I can only ever be a freelancer from this but again I digress what will happen quite a lot said bear with me as a side note I has been applying T. select academic positions I wasn’t applying for every job on the market hi Kerry had done before but select places around a certain places I would be prepared to go tape seeing that I’m not that wasn’t all it was applying for I was I was trying other things as well but I just didn’t have the precise experience that anybody was asking for to give me a chance and I haven’t done any volunteer work in those sectors at least not for quite a long time I just didn’t have the experience that they wanted they wanted somebody I think very often it’s not necessary that they wanted it sets people who have the experience or looking for appliance Seton Catholic and one of the Jacksons I had was really lovely and it showed to me that you’re a human being had actually read my application and appreciate at the thought that I put into it some thought felt really kids whereas all the other attractions I pod of to spend from it Charlie and just the same form rejection that everybody’s getting some of them coming three at midnight at the weekend which is really on professional universities stopped a month of April it’s not that I’m pulling it’s very at that time but it’s just I can see what time it sent out as not okay working ours plays like this is why there’s a massive crisis in academia the minute because you’re treating people like machines saying that applying for those academic positions and feeling very Mister play out it it should be why I wanted to re embrace rejection and failure I think of it more as reeling things right for me and making a decision for me so that I wouldn’t sign for it anymore I wouldn’t be going what ifs I feel sorry for me that you need to apply for stuff because she one hundred percent on cat it if you don’t apply and then if you apply and you don’t get it well that’s your decision made free eight there’s nothing else you can say about that and you know we stand because it sets when you’re young and you’re trying to date yet and you’re trying to ask people are you done it’s such a brave thing to do is to ask somebody all right again not something I never had very much success huts but it’s good because I would spend aegis pining over somebody and imagining that they were feeling the sting and bite me and they never were you know and hi many people who actually were interested in me was I ignoring because I was pining over somebody else he really didn’t want me in that way and it’s better to just know mean fantasizing sign but it’s better to just know where you are and things like that so that he can just move on and get on with something else and so wasting your time we’re so limited you know I can listen to me as a hell and her period part podcast has been really helpful in helping me I suppose firm up to those ideas I I knew that I should be thinking like thoughts but I wasn’t practicing it properly and I think listening to her has really urged me to date out properly because apart from anything I’m thirty seven I’m too old to pine over things and you know I’ve done enough mourning for the life that didn’t turn out to be for me you know it’s time to just get on with what is for me and get on with finding that you know so with academia as well there’s a lot of troubling stuff going on in and it is a profession that is harming people one way or another it is harming people I’m a survivor of thought harm and I know %HESITATION of folk he didn’t make it and they didn’t make it in the most heart breaking of Weiss you know when I have other people in my life here also survivors he I’ve also been transitioning away from it it is like coming out of an abusive relationship and it’s just takes a lot of time to work outside of your system and find another way especially when if you were like me you really need to go if I you you want to thought sure life and your career and G. three yourself and to identifying yourself and not why that’s a lot to let go of it really is see you so I don’t say any of this lightly a toll but I do feel that I’m done and then I have something else to offer that I have other things that I can find content content because that really doesn’t matter so much more than the job and that means I’m even more happy to have been offered this grounds it really means a lot it’s really validating it gives me permission to try something I didn’t believe for the longest time was open to me to try that’s why I wanted to take time to talk through this in case anyone who listens regularly or he stumbles upon this right there on the internet this is for you Hey this is to try and communicate to people thank you you can feel that maybe those opportunities can be for you Terry or that you can dare to try even when you don’t really believe last because you one hundred percent won’t get it if you don’t try so I want you to feel like he can and you should just try just give it a try what are you going to lace ET and a chance that something might happen I also wanted to talk three my experience of this application process in case any of the tapes on the approaches to applying for a grant could be useful more broadly so this is going to be really specific to the arts council England and this particular phone said D. Y. C. P. fund that is quite a personal funds it’s primarily for individuals who may be very very small grapes it’s to develop your practice and it’s a small ground it’s between two and ten Tyson’s pines but I will try to generalize as much as I possibly can and Casey advice as transferable wherever you are a lot of this advice is also coming from the very generous people he picked their own experiences online and he attended supports and discussion sessions and contributed their own experiences so so much of what I’m gonna tell you E. as not just coming from maybe it’s coming from a really wide range of people who’ve been really generous and shared dais of so I’m trying to share it as well his the Marvis to can be successful the better for the arts this is better for us old and more office can access these things solo getting awarded the grant is my achievement I did take advice from many sources and Bob have full of preparation and generous sharing please K. E. T. my first time success I mean not as a point in itself when I say first time I mean it’s the first time I completed the submission this is important because my first point is that the application needs to be led by a genuine idea and needs to be something that you are doing or that you want to be able to say something you have an idea for already and that you can’t make that step with the help of the arts counselor here for the funding party as an autumn twenty twenty for a long box three to the S. I wanted to apply for a much more ambitious projects grants from arts council England and I designed a podcast series specifically to apply for that night the idea it was an aids kids it’s a solid idea could still be done but I brown it passed a few people and they thought it would be really axle and they thought it was a great idea it really has my ex and I should go for it but when it came to the crux my motivation was wrong I was staying at as an attempt to make paid work for myself and it wasn’t necessarily work my heart was truly and also the things I budgeted a rinds kept changing and the people I wanted to involve also had dramatic changes in circumstances and one person actually died of cold foods another became debilitating the L. so then mentally I wasn’t in a good place to be overcome and keep everything every time something else happens I felt more and more frivolous and it felt more Mar few tile because people I wanted to involve just Martin bear anymore and and the scientists possible ways and this was a dear friend as well so it was quite a tough time anyway and it is best to step back and just give it a better time I made the decision to leave it and then twenty twenty one I may use increasingly towards working on myself both in terms of my house and professionally I just felt increasingly that I couldn’t be part of a team and property contributes or needs when I’m broken and I was feeling unrest so that’s what he said I took some time I it’s kept up to podcasts they kept up momentum on this show but otherwise and you know I’ve tried to do the paths of writing but I think even that one by the way side in this twenty twenty one and by the end of that year I was better at going okay you need to set clear pine trees and communicate them because I think this is been a big problem with me is that I haven’t seen clear enough supply my own pine trees even to myself and that can lead to you feeling like people are walking all over you and taking advantage when sometimes you need to look at your own behavior and thank well you said it’s that person yeah sure just give me insight I can help I’m happy to help and then when they take your phone masts it’s just a taking up and not more than you anticipate it’s on more than you actually felt comfortable with he got annoyed with them and you have to sing that’s not really fair because you’re the one he said yeah sure and then just expected them to know what was too much not some already fire so I think communication is really the key there and even being clear in myself you’re anticipating no if that becomes too much I look at cranky again he’s at somebody really doesn’t deserve it that’s just not a cast so far so it’s a P. I think just about self evaluation and self awareness is really important and I felt that the only person who could take any of that and hand with me it was signed to me to sort out all right it’s no one else’s responsibility and I started writing again and I have been without really realizing it what I’ve been doing is attempting radical honesty maybe that’s too much I don’t know but I suppose I’ve just been trying to be honest and my writing even when that means confronting something potentially unpleasant by myself because I think in doing that I’m not putting myself dying it’s not being self deprecating it’s a way of I suppose and our need to empathize with yourself as an M. perfect being and then hopefully you can empathize with other humans he are also imperfect moral just voluntary not really knowing how to get this human being saying rights I fell in love with art again and I leaned into that’s a big part of that was the Turner prize show to be honest those shows so not just the shipping not just a radical access but I think the whole show %HESITATION who’s a real celebration of creativity and possibility and working C. Cassar and community so I think that really helps to sparks me up again got me on my way inspired me to start writing again so I really leaned into what I enjoy what I take comfort from I started tracking my menstrual cycle so that I can learn what to expect from my mates and my energy levels and highly unlikely to be affected my brain and my thinking and I am getting better at saying no I’m not happy by thoughts and being more discerning about what I say yes to you on what the terms of that yes might be something I’ve done it seems like quite a small thing but it’s actually really changed the game for me I am priest increasingly automated systems so my pre energy S. and I was taken up by a three inning minds of Othman then I’m not really getting paid for you know I’ve been guesting on other podcasts and I’ve been nicking ideas from high they deal with their guests so it been using Collins lady finally to arrange appointments it’s amazing how powerful it fails to just block off loads of time say none of those days are appropriate none of those times our progress if you want to negotiate something because we’re dating of the timezone okay but it is just sending a message of a company to invest millions of emails back and forth so all the information is and not the kind of stuff they do things like that and with help from other places I got myself into a better mindset and a place of much more as they say radical on the stage and really confronting myself I’m not and I’m self abusing way Hey and a and a very realistic way basically what we say analysts are of having a word with yourself it’s just you know I’m catching myself on this would have been saying and that’s why I was able to go right that should try this and just be open about trans stuff and seeing how it went there’s nothing left today’s iPhone plan a fun mocking a fight with different approaches to our trading and self writing for a really long time get known for fifteen years nine but in some ways maybe a lot longer than that and I’ve always wanted it to be accessible because my learning about art and artists film wasn’t always accessible in fact a lot of it was right right combative and I think this is something I talked about it with Robertson St I’ve done a couple of things with him on my own you tube channel there’s an N. conversation between us and I pretty sure we talked about this specifically and the episode of sunny punks I did with Robert a bites my it’s Aron I think we talked about our film education and a specific person who taught us artists cinema he was a great person great academic terrible teach sure that’s the sort of inspiration I hides I don’t know what it is what you call it when you’re inspired to do the opposite way of somebody puts out was when I traded in my teaching was everything that person didn’t date you know and I feel very strongly that art and creativity should be for everyone not the a late fee he got to determine tastes and fashions and the PO’s words I want to make accessible to others what was not accessible to me what did not feel accessible to me as somebody from a disadvantaged working class backgrounds he was never in the habit of going to E. R. calories before the age of about eight twenty to hear something and even after that even when I was doing a PhD on a lot of that stuff are you still didn’t feel silly welcome and the spaces or that I was allowed to be in them and I don’t want people feeling that way about the arts I think they should be for everyone that has taken a while for me to believe this is possible and a few good friends have been fundamental and convincing me of laughs my dear friends Sophia grace Borda and twine Miller has been championing me and my work for years they’re not the only ones but these two in particular I think over the past couple of years have just been very quietly behind the scenes checking in on me and just supporting my work and certain ways and on those of you who to be has been really really supportive and lots of different ways I think the way they’ve been dating and and has mental and I’m I’m not sure that they know the top so I just wanted to put it right there you know Sylvia and the past two years has got me work Sri SA commissions and she’s pasted me west catch ups over Skype working with an E. at our time difference because she’s right in British Columbia why has been amazing and encouraging my creativity I paraphrased her actually and my arts council application when I told them that a compliment I get for my writing ng is set it’s as if I’m sitting telling it’s TA over a cuppa and that makes me feel so warm inside and I want all of my writing to come across our way is if I’m sitting having a Natter with CA if I’m to develop a style it should be that that’s what I intend today that’s what I am experimenting with all the time because when we are relaxed we can enjoy things and learning and sharing ideas should be enjoyable and I think it should be joyous there’s so little to be positive for bites and the world at the moment it is terrifying I thought her there’s awful things happening terrible conflicts and rights are being stripped away that were hard fought for and it is scary there he knows who’s people fighting with each other on the internet a boy a couple they don’t personally know whose lives have just been laid bare for the world and they’re more concerned without then so much else thanks so much so much social injustice is happening and it’s pretty upsetting to me you know I just want this to be enjoyable joyous to feel contentment but today I mean dealing with difficult topics but it doesn’t have to be in a way that makes people feel guilty about everything all the time or is trying to cause a stir fights or I wanted to be rooted in empathy and compassion if we can do that and maybe that’s from the specific contacts and I’m coming from you know where have dealt with such complex cases of victim perpetrator dichotomies and the same person and I know hi complicated it’s things casts so I really try not to be judgmental and I and I do stress the tri part because I don’t always get this right I am human so that’s what I’m aiming today is not kind of writing practice and I am C. hone and develop that over the coming months that that’s got on to the six Assabet because I’ve bothered on a loft haven’t even really properly started yet I’m specifically to developing a creative critical non fiction writing practice with a view to producing back manuscript my topic is one I’ve been working on gradually since twenty seventeen so it’s been a slow log T. got to this point and inspiration from my friends the novelist and playwright J. A. Mensah who when I told her about using my blog to draft work that I’d Polish and refine for academic publication later asked a strictly why does it have to be academic what if the personal voice and transparency about your research journey is your voice and will be more fun and accessible to rate thought has been working on me Giuliana since November twenty nineteen you know so that’s really what I was staying that’s what I was working on when I was doing all those blog posts %HESITATION a by Chargers from the wreck of the unbelievable but then of course twenty twenty the enormity of the pandemic tickets toll and the strain of locked signs took their toll and I ran out of steam and it felt very frivolous and the face of so much collective trauma my freelance work straight after that year as well and the anxiety up I thought was really awful it was really a lot to overcome personally for me this missile really slow burn I had looked into the arts council funding for podcasting before as it sets and the hips are stringent and I felt disingenuous I experience I read carefully what you could apply for and then earlier this year I read up more carefully what you could apply for when going for developing your creative practice and it being a small grounds I figured that it would be a lot more manageable and attainable his this fund is all about the creator and it’s not about a project and can work two words projects you can produce something artifacts but it is a bite stepping up your skills and taking risks to expand what you Dave and this is really key I understand the fund you’re applying for and make sure you’re eligible a fundamental part of this game is identifying why yearly and white knight I’m not needs to be genuine and it needs to be convincing for me I was at a point where I couldn’t get myself any further on my own I need access to training and resources and paid time to experiment with site the anxiety of not earning money and feeling like the work was a luxury too far I feel like an upset a freeloader which I’ve probably mentioned before I feel like an absolute free loader and I’m not happy about it begin this money coming straight at validates me excuse me a part time job for the next four months so now I feel like I can settle into just doing the work because it is getting paid it feels the gentleman this point is important as well he needs to make sure that you and anyone else here involving is paid fairly cannot just paid not just paid a fee and a fee that actually work site at less than minimum wage okay the point of this is that people get paid properly for their labor no meaning despite people who’ve managed to get me a favor for some writing commissions I am very grateful for those you know I am but let’s all be honest here sometimes see in mind take at isn’t even that day rates for something that’s taken a couple of weeks to put together or maybe it’s something that I worked on for a couple of months and I might to money that wouldn’t even cover rent that’s the sort of thing I’m talking to buy this is proper paid time now this fund is public money and is provided by the government so you have to show why the work is important and can only be funded by top fund by that scheme by thought console private funding body so arts council England are fairly clear that they also need and turned to show central government hi much work involved he the arts have okay so this isn’t just for us this is for them to this is for all of us and the arts we have to show you the value of the arts in doing this we have to fight for their case and so making sure that you have a cute and realistic fee for your only upper is really power mind thoughts and Tyrone guidance as well you should be getting paid fairly and getting paid well for your work this is a tough one to figure right and I really needed help us initially I figured a fifty point day rates would be fine at two days a week thoughts when I arrived to us when I was working I’d eat our days on the a real living wage rounded up a bit I had seen this on an example of a six Assabet that was shared online I think I find it on the white jeep they have great resources if you’re applying for funding and I highly recommend having a look at their website to buy just all the stuff that they’re doing the doing great work so I thought about re it seems fair if somebody else had arrived at the same conclusion however Lela star in the film he runs the northeast cultural freelancers face spec grip and it says Anil rinds force of nature and northeast cultural spheres she hosted a really informative discussion on same there were only six of us there but it was so useful and supportive during that Leila was firm that you must ask for your birth as well as asking for what you need and she made this suggestion which I took on board to have sacked birthday rates depending on what kind of work you’re going to be daring so for example my day rates for the research and training thesis of my grounds timeline are more modest but more than the minimum I was previously allocating for myself and then my writing and editing rate is much higher than the than the training right because that’s when I’m going to be applying the new skills and actually working towards CPEC manuscripts %HESITATION I’m gonna have a lot more knowledge under my belt I’ll have from practicing I’ll have been really pitching up the scales so I will command a higher rate at that point and I think that’s something you come to be behind the door bites he has to know that you will commands that rate he will command this money and I think it’s well in my case to be just the racks of both tests I think given my academic publishing experience already I think I already shoots command a higher rates but people see as just starting our youths as she haven’t on that particular motive this thing before %HESITATION very much my writing and editing skills are already strong purchase taking a different direction on what I sympathizing with for a long time is really stepping up and becoming formalized and much more polished I think when you’re budgeting they can see and Ascari ends up bites day rates for certain skills and tasks so you don’t sell yourself short while remaining realistic he can’t ask for astronomical machines has to be a decent day rates enormity alone it’d RT rate or whatever just today read this a lot simpler and it was easier to work eight weeks since today part time in case anything else work sites and then I’d still be able to date but just pivoting at bats you know so you do need to give yourself the time to really plan if you find tax useful with your podcasts we’ve got two options for you you can subscribe to the audio visual cultures podcast when you change for captioned videos and you can visit all the visual cultures dot com and click the transcripts top both sites are linked in the show notes along with information like this episode sounds in this next part a few days later it’s snowy Monday the thirteenth of June and so in for my money becomes very I’ve had no notification then anything’s gone wrong so now it’s just a matter of waiting for the money so M. square an anxious tanks it doesn’t quite feel real yet until I actually have it but there we go so the next point I wanted to eat Turkey three was lacking in asking Orion’s is really important to get a general sense of doing the application I’m putting it together but also specifically and completing each statement that you need to make so depending on the type of phone that you’re going for you’re gonna have to break things Stein am I mistaken me it’s when I was saying my the initial one I try to go for which is a project grounds I wrote quite a bake T. PH proposal and that is not high he submit your information it’s all quite broken up and divided into separate sections you know there’s no point in actually writing I it’s a beautiful Lhasa he or a prose proposal I’m a you want to save with all the information it because it’s too much to unpack a old with arts council England they tend to ask you things in separate categories so you have to sit Mets individual answers for specific questions on you probably gonna have a word limit on that and then it can be quite constructive so that’s why it’s worse really looking around and really taking as much advice as she can kiss I was fully prepared for the Betty ness of it all and any funding body that you’re applying to you should provide guidance and arts council England does provide quite thorough guidance for filling in its forms and as I said before people are very generous at posting redacted copies of their submission and I will do that at some point in the future with mine you know you have to think about eight tests that the funding body wants to give you the money but yes the applicant have to convince them that you’re eligible and that you need it and that you need it from them I reiterate it really ought to be a genuine projects or goals that you really want to work to words he can’t really just play supermarket sweep when planning your budget you really need to plan a very carefully and needs to be things said he actually needs ands up properly researched costs C. conscious mind everything up to the nearest for example I’m doing a course one of the courses I’m doing costs a hundred and twenty nine pines it come right not up to a hundred and thirty or a hundred and fifty or something like that the pick the actual cost of it in there for them so they know exactly what you need and then as I mentioned check with the funding check with whatever it is you’re going for but I’ve put in a very modest contingency funds just in case prices went up before I was able to back but that may well be money that you end up not getting in the end you know R. II have to get back or something if it’s not used you have to be ready genuine and up from to buy thought you know so in my case is vile with researching my costs there are two writing courses and I’m going to be today and that sorry Keerthi ma on seat the practice and I’m developing and I probably could have done a lot more it’s just stays with the on the to read the timing worked tight while there were others I find and they were happening before the decision dates for the grounds so I couldn’t and create those because they’re happening after I would even find nights whether I kept the ground or not and you can’t spot to see things and you start to pay for something you already a ton because the whole point is that I can’t afford to do this just myself I need the money to pay for it you know so I’ve already started with those courses and I’m not a really short because it started before the money’s come straight but the money’s coming so you know I can manage for a couple of weeks and these courses it’s not just learning about the subject but it’s also %HESITATION that they give me a better community because I’m gonna have classmates and I’m gonna have it an instructor a teacher on each of those so we’ll have some guidance and mentoring even if it’s just for that specific period of time or for that specific practice but it will hold it’s a really good way of getting mentoring and a very structured way where he can also tested all rights as well because then I’m not really having to go and find somebody to be a specific mentor for me but I’m getting some kind of mentoring and feedback which is get them you know in a structured way and not and not necessarily just from the instructor but from peers as well for me as well there are also specific people that I want to see interviewee and I’ve given a clear justification for who those people are and I’ve allocated a generous day rates to offer to them and then that Sir my contingency comes in as well so if I offer somebody a particular Reetz and they say I’ll do it for and if I have enough budget for the laughs then maybe I can a great slots so you really do need to take the time to research I think three I think what is fair what is a favorite to pay people so it’s good to see look around at what’s a good rates C. pay for someone’s expertise as well as your own you really do need time to research and think through all of these aspects of menu clear on them you can right stronger proposals statements and bills here narratives that will convincingly addressed the Y. ye and Y. noisy questions in a specific fund for the D. Y. C. P. funds and likely many others I had to ask someone for a letter of support to submit with my application one of the participants in the northeast creative freelancers coal eight talks about it earlier had previously had a successful bids and really generously shared their letter of support and they stress that it was from an organization and it was an organization that the arts council also part funds on a regular basis and the letter that was submitted to post on the organization’s headed latter paper lucky but it’s part of the narrative as well I suppose I was in a good position to be able to do something quite similar because I was able to ask someone who is both a friend of mine but is somebody who had actually commissioned me to do something for it an arts council funded projects that they had before and then they were really happy because they were happy with my work on that and we’ve got a really good relationship the make already ninety some sort of working friendship as well as an actual friendship and they were really happy to see right the latter to endorse me on behalf of their organization so do you really think about it what networking you’ve already done what organizations or people or businesses or whatever it might be he T. already have that you’ve got a good relationship with and if he hung on any of that where can you build one where could you start to the network and and she sure south to people and be a presence so that he can try and build that up and make yourself known to people so that they’ll be really happy to endorse you process kind of ladder you know and if it’s relevant to the the thing you’re applying for then not so much the better this was something that my person could say as well as that they were looking for it’s being able to work with me again and that this would open up the possibility for staying a lot more workshops to gather because I’ll have a live streaming and I’ll be able to pass it on to other people so that was a really big bonuses at yes it’s all about it maybe but then is there another step to it when it comes to writing your own statements for the application follow to the latter the guidance provided it and look for a relevant examples online of this I really can’t stress that enough it doesn’t have to be worded perfectly and needs to be really clear what you’re talking about there needs to be very clear narrative of what it is you’re dating and a very clear justification you know very cleared all checks so what you’re saying so for arts council England the white jeep website has great resources and if you do an internet search there are quite a few individuals who share theirs in redacted form on their own websites and blogs that something I’m planning to G. as well for mine and I might even offer mindset the White Pete this wild so do you see quite those sorts of things but also check you cheap because there’s a lot of really helpful videos you know funding bodies like arts council England are actively trying to be more inclusive and they do you want people to win the money so our screen to linger in house a channel for live video resources a lot of them have taxed talking images closed captions on their versions with British sign language as well so they’re really trying to be as inclusive as possible and they also need to make the case to the government that we should be awarding more suit to take their advice because they’re the ones here then talking directly to the government and convincing them that this is what people are capable of if you give them these grounds these are the positive things that can come of that use direct clear language right thank you human it’s fine to date short direct sentences that’s actually really ideal because there should be no ambiguity there should be nothing left for them to have to just figure it out for themselves it should be up so that they could hear what you’re saying and to remember G. experience things and tailor it concisely do you explain things that might be nice and don’t take for granted someone else’s knowledge of something or their understanding on the part of the people here assessing your application don’t assume they know everything about what you’re talking about it you need to explain it to them but anyway that just get some up to spades and it’s clear why it’s important and do you always try to get someone preferred place someone with maybe some application experience and success but just really anyone at all that you can get to death to have a look over what you’ve written and make sure it’s really care if they have questions or if they think of something that you might wanna ads and that’s really goods process you need to address those things if there are gaps and something soft not for the experience or if they think of something that you haven’t thought of yourself I shared my drafts with person I asked to provide money supporting statements and they made really great suggestions justice strengthen certain points and be even more convincing you know so it was a really useful process where sharing my drive to work so they were up to speed on what I what it was I was applying for but also they were able to feed back and say you know I know you might be up to see your word limit but can you eat out they send because I think that would really strengthen this particular point and then I would go and I’d federalist some saying I’d say right what words here are non essential and that’s why we did it and I would just find a better space even if it was just to be able to pay for words and see more clearly expressed something where the four words elsewhere that were expendable you want addictive suggested need to be there for example no with this specific grounds with developing your creative practice and I could likely applied see any kind of creative grant that he has spoke of the the case was just by any creative ground you need to supply a sample of your work for example if your portfolio and so this needs really careful consideration what are you going to show them what past prepares them for what it is she intend to stay with the money no because this fund is about developing your creative practice you need to show proof that you both already going in that direction but that’s some things preventing your progression and so the samples ought to indicates as well as back up your claims that you’re ready to step up and only need the right support and resources that only dot funder can provide to you so if you’re someone he has financial freedom and you can just go and buy your supplies and go into the course says this fund is not free a it’s for people who are prevented from being able to just state that it’s for people who are able to demonstrate like I’m on the pathway to this but I’m really stock because of financial reasons because of health reasons because of other stuff going on in my life I need the support and this is another point I was told the funder needs to feel need it this was something I was advice I think it was really left he advised S. he can only do it because of them and I again that still needs to come from an honest place it has to be genuine that it really can only be from them if you’re gonna go down that road you know if you’re gonna make a kind of claim as a safe you’re independently wealthy he need not apply because these funds are for people he just can’t do it by themselves regardless and it is based on needs and demonstrating that needs additionally this will be different from other funds but the developing your creative practice grounds do not expect a finished product they’re not by producing something there’s no end product the end product is that you have increased your skills and your knowledge and your ability to work you know that is standpoint it is preparing you for being able to go on and purchase a piece of work that you couldn’t have done the site this opportunity so if you have a goal for what you want to achieve from the development area it’s in my kiss it’s a back manuscripts and an idea of publishing options plus the ability and the confidence to pass my training and knowledge on to others then upset the day stay at that but it’s not a requirement you’re not required to have thought all figured out yet so whatever kind of funding you’re applying for the really clear on any I come to man’s the funding body has what is contingent on you getting the money and be clear on what your needs C. at the very least report on because even for fun like this you need to purchase a report at the end of it to get the last ten percent of the funds and it’s okay to feel I think failure is fine because the whole point of D. Y. C. P. S. dot E. experiment and you test things and the whole part of that process is that you can feel it thought and then maybe find your direction so as far as I’m aware it’s fine and completely encouraged to report on on anything like that you it’s best to be really up front about how things have gone and where you are by the end if the funding periods but this includes where things haven’t gone to plan I’m not should be okay as long as you’re transparent I thought and that you’ve done what you kids you may be a course didn’t turn right the way you thought it was going into the army of the life happens he and you couldn’t write as much as you thought you were going to be able to say there’s a particular person I want to enter V. I don’t know if I’ll be able to track that person’s nine NFL consent to that so that might be part of my project that feels and I am gonna try everything I can but I’m open to that no parking ites and this is another quick pointed by the budgeting of mentioned before that I’ve added a small contingency funds because prices could increase I may need more pics and I planned for because maybe their core specs for the courses I’m going to say that I don’t know about yet and not not has happened about two more picks than I’d planned C. because Sam they were suggested by the course and I’m currently saying but I’m actually under budget because I bought the backs from a second hands place resident brownie so I’ve managed to save a bit of budget and then I have a bit more for sex in stationary he said I’d originally planned so he can treat myself to some really nice notebooks because actually %HESITATION low note thanks so well the Hyundai for any on time travel as well because at the minute I haven’t planned in any trouble because I can see any part of this work I can do remotely I’ve gone for online courses the people I want to send to your get mentoring from we should be able to say everything if I as a means for example that need to be some travel will come up because what if the person I want to interview once Saddam persons that might involve travel for one or both of us and I’ll be on me so I think as long as it’s modest as long as it’s not a wild amount of money for me maybe I went too modest I asked for just a hundred pines for a buffer and that might not even turn out to be enough but I can pay somebody out of my own family F. I need today by the end if it’s not enough nice supposed to make an end to the fun part the submission process submitting your prepares application arts council England’s uses an online submission portal called around two AM I can’t speak for others but what I can tell you is that this particular form his user unfriendly sorry arts council but it is tray it is not an easy process even if you quite tacky the user interface is very counter intuitive a lot of the time I’m quite challenging to navigate it I think because of the language that she says and necessarily line shared of silicon take a bit of taking a rinds and consulting guidance for how to use it to be pretty find your way properly with what today so it is really quite complex and it is not self explanatory assistant example whatever it is you’re applying to he ever you’re planning to give yourself plenty of time to submit to go through the submission process I spent a few weeks gradually preparing and re drafting my application statements and documents and then when I came to submit it took me over two hours to get everything and and done properly it wasn’t just a matter of copying and pasting everything in there were ways of and petting information that were unexpected it’s there was just a lot to have to figure right as she went and to double check and make sure you got everything in the right place and all of this and I was warned I have been advised that it could be quite tricky so I submitted mine the day before the deadline and that meant I had heaps of time and I lost and panicked I briefly would advise against it even up to the wire you should make sure you’ve got heaps of time so that you don’t miss the deadline because just about everywhere I think it’s going to be really strict but thought so whatever system you’re going to have to use try to find people to talk today you have prior experience of it and be as prepared as you can maybe for any eventuality so for mine I had C. have a map that plan of action that was very clear in time today it adds and it doesn’t have to be rigid and it can change but there should be really clear phase says on a timeline that makes sense so it should show you how you’re planning to progress three year funding period on the ground teams form this takes quite awhile to fell in because she’s doing a little bit it’s individually he can’t just upload your spreadsheets are your table that you’ve made for yourself you have to fill it in and then their specific way filling N. which can take a bit of getting used to you have to look up what terms apply to be the type of thing that you hear and petting because they have a maybe a different way of wording what it is that you’re doing so it’s not a simple as so for example my resources that I was asking for the pics and better money for stationary not would come under assets to them so you need to look up water all these titles that they’re giving first things and what comes under that you know what is my stuff is relevant son you really do need to get an accurate so take the time to look at the guidance that’s provided to liquor bottle coins for each term so this can all take quite awhile to fill in but it will be easier if you have some needs tables or a spreadsheet for yourself as an example again I have a research and training phase then %HESITATION research and networking FIIs followed by a further training and practice VS and then a time to racy is culminating and mentoring and feedback some of this is determined by the timing of the courses that I’m saying %HESITATION so one of them is happening really quickly and then another one isn’t until late October so that’s why I’m a bit back and forth with the training it’s coming and we have some rather than in a chronological order in a way but %HESITATION Ryan does I’ve read it carefully worked at all all right so that it shoots get me wearing EM to pay from Jane until February budget planning here is also essential so I spoke earlier by working I could fees for yourself and anybody who’s involved be sure about it what’s it’s fine for you to ask for and again make a spreadsheet that calculates sold lots and to get to the penny due to the point and I stress again only ask for things the oxy genuinely needs and are eligible for depending on the funds you’re not going to be simply get a new laptop I’d effects and they typically won’t cover anything that you already have or pay for for personal use or other work the E. J. and must be a necessity that is specific to the project the budget can also be a bit bewildering seat and and conte M. E. need to state your overall better minds than break tying costings according to type you’ll need to be clear on what the costing type for each item is a sign which is to say can be counter intuitive the guidance provided by the funding body should have those things explains again G. read this property before and sharing your preparation and submission if you’re able to access it I think in the guidance it didn’t necessarily tell me exactly what the terms were and it wasn’t tell a call to the actual submission form so again just be prepared for that it’s going to take a better time to just ensure that you called the right categories for things an important note is ours consul England a lawyer for application support and if you have some sort of hindrance or difficulty in submitting your application and require access support throughout your project it is find out those for other funders to track their information on those sorts of things I can’t tell you much more beyond that this just exists because other than some confusion and mild swearing on the computer while I was submitting I managed assessment fine by myself but if you’re for example visually impaired dyslexic or have a disability that prohibits you from undertaken these kinds of tasks by yourself then you can have somebody help you with it and %HESITATION submit on your behalf and you can also apply to a separate access fund is not included in your bed of mine so you could go for a bit that’s the maximum amount that they’ll award should be on top of that you can also have access requirements on this if you need to pay for someone who can help you with things don’t pay for care but it’s paying somebody he needs today a lot of the administration for you because you’re not able to take yourself in order or if there’s some equipment that you needs that will help you with the process you those sorts of things night if like me he managed to be successful thank you Grachev nations butts the hard work is not over yet for arts council England’s definitely there’s still quite a bit of work cannot man two days before your money is secured on a lot you need to praise and be prepared to stay the first step was receiving an email telling me I had a decision okay it didn’t tell me what the decision was that was all it said I had a decision so go and sign in to grab the M. and go and get your decision matter for me I saw this when I was in the middle of the other things at once and I just needed to focus on both of those things so instead of just racing to grab them like I want to say I just not good sign and I need to do this other couple of things first and then when I was finished those and I was ready I went to ground CM I struggle to remember how I decide in the ground TM and then I struggle to figure right where this decision that it was high you to hang on I fumbled Orion’s until I go to open and realized I was being offered the grounds so much excitement but even when you get good news they don’t make it easy for you to find it so easy %HESITATION even when you won it’s still quite complex I had to then go through a work flow with quite a lot of more on clear language and instructions to work three accepting the offer and then I had to wait for the next two steps to become available to me because then they had to acknowledge and accept my acceptance of my offer and so then the next day one of those steps became available but I need to complete the other one first so I kept checking my email and then the next day it came as Terry and then I could go in depots and I’ve got those both things in motion and not again it took a bit of time and you need to get in read the instructions carefully you know there are things you shouldn’t submit and certain places and then she should submit in certain places so it is a bit stressful just making sure you’ve got all of this correct and these were important ones to do with banking and ensuring items today they had very careful instructions with lots of red tax show AT red tax so even though you’re excited it’s and you just want to get all confirmed and happening you really need to be calm and patience and careful and okay with going in circles a few times just to make sure you’re getting everything writes Anna’s I write this I am waiting to make sure that is all rights and then I’ll release the first ninety percent of my father and dying of my grounds to me so I’m still as I record this waiting for that I have had no confirm or deny that my bank details for all fine and I’m just waiting for something to happen so with this grant again you get the final ten percent on completion and as long as they’re satisfied and they’re satisfied with your report and if there’s anything where the money didn’t quite get used or anything like that then you probably won’t get top fella minds but just depends hi satisfied they are this is important to be aware of because if a lot of your grounds involves paying other people then you really ought to make sure you’re checking out first and pay yourself last you know so my final ten percent I’m planning for that to be just all of the rest of the fees that are rude to me and I’m gonna make sure I pay everybody else that’s involved before then that’s really yet so that’s much as I can tell you I hope it’s been useful I’ve really thrown quite a lot she over the past while it you know there’s a lot to get three and if you have any questions I’d really encourage you to please some summer public if possible so if you have questions don’t just email me up by them if you could comment on social media posts a bite this episode or on the U. H. shaped PH for this episode’s not would benefit more people and %HESITATION so we can do some community answering because there might be other people who have other experiences he might happen as well so if we could do that if we can keep that discussion public I’d really appreciate thoughts so that more people can benefit from this and get something out of it hopefully as well this is a very specific ground it’s very specific to me you know and it’s a very specific process so if we could all just shared that would be lovely I would be so great for other people the notes for this will be on the episode post on audio visual culture stock com this is episode one hundred and twenty one if you’re needing to search for that there is a search bar if you go to the website there is a search bar if you type in one twenty one one two one ground top the cations that shoots take you straight to the page I hope you can also comment and have a discussion on that page as well their comments available there to you know I really hope this is been useful and informative all the best with what ever you go for and please do you go for it the worst that can happen is she’ll learn something from the process so please go for %HESITATION it and do nothing could you count all right everybody take care of yourselves

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Audiovisual Cultures Episode 120 – Jordan Mode with Jordan Lam

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Paula Blair speaks to Jordan Lam about being creative and developing a studio arts practice. In this fun and loose conversation you’ll get some insight into studying art at degree level, some details about graphic design and digital collage, and how it is to take a creative approach to life as well as to art. There are some details about Photoshop and other digital creative suites that the uninitiated may find surprising. We also touch on Jordan’s experience growing up bilingual and across two cultures, his interest in rap and reading, and why he likes to dress up as a banana. If you enjoy this chat, please give us a good rating and share with someone you think will like it.

Music: commonGround by airtone (c) copyright 2018 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution Noncommercial (3.0) license.

Edited by Paula Blair with Audacity.

Recorded with Zencastr on 30 May 2022. Access Behind the Scenes recordings and see Jordan in his banana suit on Patreon.

Jordan Mode podcast: https://anchor.fm/jordanmode

Jordan and Paula connected via https://www.matchmaker.fm/

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and though you’re very welcome take audio visual cultures the podcast that delves into different areas FM media and the arts I am your host Paul left prior and in this episode I have a really fun and enlightening conversation with Jordan lamb but studying art developing a studio arts practice and generally being creative and having a good time having fun night if you’re one of our behind the scenes patrons over at Petri on dot com forward slash AV cultures there’s a special treat in store for you because as Jordan mentions he likes to dress up for special occasions and he considers doing a podcast recording like this to be one of those special occasions so for Phil video access to your conversation to look to see what Jordan is wearing do you join us at the behind the scenes here and you can see for yourself massive thanks to our amazing supporters are currently funding the website please see check out our latest audio visual cultures dot com everything you need sire and I updated it significantly back in may so please stay have a good price Orion %HESITATION salutes more stuff they’re noisy big thanks as well to each one of each for some lovely feet back on the seventeenth of may in twenty twenty two H. one that paid in an Instagram story Paul this podcast is full of so much heart and soul for the arts check out her episodes there’s something for everyone I really appreciate that too and I hope those sentiments come three again in this episode with Jordan as we talk by creativity and love for the craft D. enjoy while you can thank you yeah I’m a banana have always love the names you like when ants right from them is their very special very special things in the world yes they are so how are you doing this is Hey I’m good I’m good you know I I woke up today I wasn’t feeling that great I think I’m a bit say but I don’t know I just I remembered I can’t let P. down no I just can’t sell here I am that’s how you say it but if you’re not feeling well we can do this another time that is fine I’m committed committed Anna yes you’re very young as well so you’ve got your sights yeah by what gave it away I really appreciate it we’ll just let me know how you’re doing and if you’re not Feelin secrets we compose we can have a break whatever just whatever you’re comfortable with don’t feel like you have to pay straight because that’s not a good thing I did a lot of pushing straight when I was in my twenties and I aren’t tight catastrophic they so don’t do that to yourself okay okay Elena Fisher I can impart anything to the younger people don’t burn yourself side it’s not fun yeah I I understand I’ve burnt myself a couple times and that did not feel good so it is important to take breaks for sure so you’re very busy banana you got a lot going on which excels but more but the banana as stockholders to what you said earlier that you just love bananas sure yeah there’s a deeper meaning I guess it just represents my creative and find the side and just attitude about having fun and not caring what anyone else thinks because this in a way is a form of self expression now that is my artistic meaning but I also really like bananas so that is when it comes down to it you know I just love bananas that’s it C. love dressing entirely as a banana yeah yeah this very personal it’s door if it’s too personal it’s me going to wear places but do you have things you wear underneath your banana state today also have bananas on them %HESITATION is out for a price cut oh no no I’m just wearing a regular shirt and shorts because the okay the thing about the banana suit right in some kind of hot and stuffy I can’t even lie to you I don’t wear this every day you know I I I do it for important things important events you know warning I just wanna let you like it I guess yeah I like to have fun okay so it’s very hot and there were fights in the world are you Jordan I am in Sarasota Florida in the US of a I imagine that’s quite a warm place %HESITATION it’s really hot so you’re already warm and then you’re putting a really hot thing on your body after that so that its commitment I mean we need to adjust the distress a level of commitment we’re talking about here yeah I mean if AC did not exist I’ll probably have a heat stroke by now but now I’m fine so let’s keep it going you know push forward I’m hoping some of that heat radiates over to me because it’s spring time it’s late may I’m in the north east of England and it’s been very re in the in the cold here you know I’m wrapped up the scope a cardigan and cellphone because idea of dressing the same way as I was dressing most of the winter because it’s really cold here yeah while it’s spring in England it is somewhere here in Florida and is interesting wow yes well we we should be in summer but it doesn’t quite seem to want to test %HESITATION rife just yet okay we’re in summertime is it always cloudy there in England the part of England’s I list then it’s oxy a bit sunnier than some other places but because of where I am geographically we got very cold air a lot of the year the reason that we’ve had today is relatively rare it’s not as rainy as this usually is usually quite sunny but cooler I’m right beside the North Sea at which is a very cold spots on the arse the sort of arctic and Nordic air coming toing so there’s nice sunny weather can meet with the cold breeze sometimes so it’s a bit conflicted in this part but if you go to the northwest it’s really cloudy rainy rain at night a lot of the time okay it’s on the Irish Sea side it’s a lot more humid on that part I see yeah I want to visit one day and I’ve never been the state so I’m learning three people like you you know bumping into people like in the internet I’m learning notes by the United States so it’s great to be visiting Florida this time of mutually in LA or something like that on the internet so Lori this is different spin on things yeah you should visit if you like hot weather beaches Florida wild news I don’t know if you’ve heard of the Florida man but there’s a lot of stuff that happens in Florida that’s pretty crazy if you like hurricanes yes you you would have a fun time here in I think my associations with Florida and recently are from the good place you Jason Mendoza comes from Florida and the good place so it’s not the most positive depiction and then the Florida project as well so it’s like this immense wells decides to institutions so yeah I haven’t had a very positive spin on Florida yet yeah okay okay but if you like oranges that is what Florida has that’s positive right but they grow their own balance I I can’t answer that now maybe well they don’t really need taken several eating yeah I wherever I walk with the cost of one of the managers grows like from the ground CD going to bite and then so you’re saying you write for special things with the performance at TD your artwork and that what it what do you do in the real world in Europe and on the set well that’s that actually you gave me a great idea I should start doing that I should actually do this to create artwork I have a interesting relationship with this banana costume I’m a very naturally competitive person so when I get serious I put on the costume and it just seems like everything falls into place and everything just works out for me and then I win in the end every time S. sounds really weird but it’s like some people have their lucky charm right I have the banana so I do graphic design I’m studying to do studio are in the future N. when creating I don’t like I don’t wear anything not not life will need but like I wish certain into it you know right I wear clothing but not the banana suit because I need to be in a state of mind where I can just be free I’d try new things I think that’s when you create the greatest work of art when you are set with no limitations and you can go outside the your own box so don’t I try to trap yourself inside a box or try to contain yourself in in a cage with all these rules just experiment whether it be to Photoshop or podcasting in everything it all relates to one thing to another I was quite keen to learn more about your studies and what you’re hoping to say but you know what we are doing and you mentioned podcasting and hideouts links with your graphic design and you do make up the cast co Georgian modus alright yeah yes it’s quite fun I’ve listened to a few episodes at you know you seem to have conversations so I’ve been a bit Lacer with you I’ve tried to do mine tiny but like the way you do yours just go straight in the conversation %HESITATION rather than the structures interview it seems a bit more appropriate to just try and just give people a taster of the kind of thing that every day and you know it’s not very comfortable doing that because you know you you turn up and the way the each day and that remain she you don’t have to be serious %HESITATION professional right everything and being creative and I’m being a bit silly about fun it can be those things say so I think that’s a really nice reminder but which I like to tell folks about your podcast right yes so every time someone asked me when they were tells me when they listen to my podcast as find that kind of wild to believe like you really listen to my podcast that’s funny because I I just spew so much random stuff and I don’t want to swear on this podcast because I feel like that would just do whatever you’re comfortable with kids I I tend to try not to you just because I wanted to be as inclusive as possible by desire and therapist it’s where we desire more may be dealing with the topic where you’re coding something or it requires it %HESITATION it just slaps or whatever so just be comfortable just bear south okay my podcast Jordan mode is really just a journal for me for talking to people having great conversations throughout life I started it in December of twenty twenty one or is that yes yes I did okay end every conversation I’ve had since then has really changed me into the person I am now so it’s kind of interesting to think that it’s like a time capsule when you look at episode one you’re like oh I was so naive I was just a child when you’re up to the current episode and you’re like while what happened to me this is wild this is crazy and I I don’t take myself too seriously I just have fun having genuine conversations with people because everyone has a unique personality it is different in their own unique way you know everyone is in a different walk of life and everyone’s going to do something different so it’s interesting to understand how they came to be how they are and you know what they’re doing and you can learn so much from another person you can live through them vicariously you can stay in touch you can make a new friend you know relationships are so important and I learned about that in his speech or psychology class but either way both those classes have influenced me a lot because in speech if I never took a speech class in college I don’t think I would be this outspoken and speaking for a long period of time no I would just wait for the other person to respond or I wouldn’t be as outgoing as I am now so I think definitely more on the story is be yourself take classes if that interest you and just be creative test or not thirty N. I really admire that about eight the American in further and higher education system I mean there’s a there’s a lot of issues in terms of how much it costs and we’re following that increasingly in the U. K. but that you have these allow access classes that you can save quite early on we just don’t really have thought we don’t have those testers so you can share you can do this kind of class and I think that’s really fantastic the you can access something like that because I think here people think that you have to be super focused on what your degree pathway is and they don’t realize the merits of learning about other things like high must sign forms what is your pathway is you know that all these other things feed and slot so that’s pretty crazy here Hey did you go to college I did yeah I went to university articles three degrees %HESITATION while what degrees so my bachelor’s degree was in joint honors English and film studies so’s very traditional English as chair and I did a lot of Shakespeare lot of renaissance mature plays and drama and I did some Irish literature and fiction pieces I did some studies so fairly traditional from studies degree you know it was a lot of the old white European dates similar kind of sauce on it wasn’t tell a go into post graduate so they said it got a bit more interesting and you can go your own way a little bit more into your own research and things really right not timer starting to open up a bit more and people were going I think other kinds of people make films as well so maybe we could have a we look at those so it was starting to open night and get a bit more interesting then %HESITATION I started off saying and my masters in film he started off saying a lot more Asian cinema and a lot more now from cards from all over the world and a lot more women filmmakers use it was just getting a bit more diverse and stuff and then my PhD was summoned visual culture but it was yeah I was looking more assets convergence says between cinema and the visual arts more broadly so I was making more at video installation and live performance mixed media work and that sort of stuff so it really opens it out quite a bit well so you’ve always loved movies or films he had a life long ass to mazing while TV info my think it’s been a mainstay for majors I’ve always been so attracted to screens which isn’t you know necessarily the healthiest thing these days because our lives are just can change based grain culture the likes of a smartphone I mean not just was not a notion when I was a kid to so you know it’s weird to me that so many kids are just almost bored my smart phones in our hands a space right I remember a time when it was just long lines and that was it that made me so I think I spent like what you were saying earlier about conversations I think may face or where I’ve learned about the world and I’ve learned how to have empathy I’ve learned about other people’s stories and I’ve learned to buy other different types of people and because I grew up in such a very white yes and I was in the middle of a civil conflict as well as a young person so we were sure wind chiller we you know we nearby bets in pieces about what was going on in the world but we were pretty focused on ourselves as well it was a great SKF so it was a way of getting away from not but also just learning right this other stuff going on in the world to cease other types of people I fascinating SS no yeah now compared to when you were a kid do you find that you’re watching movies for the same reason I think so yeah I think learning from them is really important to me as much as being entertained by them I don’t expect to be entertained by phone but I hope to learn something from it if that makes sense right like the cinematography and the shots and how they all of that yeah yeah I’m I’m pretty much a nerd about all that stuff how are you I know nothing about making films yeah I I can like every time I watch a movie now I’m not looking so much as to be entertained I’m more looking at the shots and like what the director wants us to see is if you watch lake I don’t know if you watch the new doctor strange movie I don’t know if you’re into those I haven’t seen a memory in a behind on the the whole universe do you knows Sam Raimi %HESITATION yeah I know the summary Nancy I know he’s directed it yes so his like his style of directing like each back to what I was saying when everything’s connected right sorry my brain is literally like a multi verse you can tell it’s a Sam Raimi movie just by his style of directing his like he’s really into horror during the naval data right so and you can see aspects of that in the new movie exactly not a spoiler because he directed the movie but it’s also like you can tell what person created something whether it’s music whether it’s anything whether it’s movies TV anime C. N. do any creative medium you can just help because that’s their style is their personality and they’ve woven that into their creation and I think that’s just chef’s kiss so I love it yes I’m a I’m a real nerd for that safety because I really loved his spider man trilogy a lot of peoples and maybe like cat and spider man Terry I think it still stands up as probably one of the best probably the past spider man film of all of them there’s loads of Sam Raimi motifs sorry I thought I found loads of references loads of horror inflections you know things that are really quite similar to the the people that made base price combo of course getting account managers and stuff hello Hey I love noticing that because it makes you feel I think it makes you feel good to feed of noticing that stuff because it makes you feel quite clever that all yeah go that a lot one and yeah I got that reference the one thing Remy you sly dog so when you notice these references how happy does that make you feel these days it makes me happy because I went I remembered something while yeah I don’t know maybe it’s partly to do with some other personal stuff and party did you rest just pandemic general trauma but I really struggled with remembering things for the past couple of years and it feels good to just go I remember the thing for fifteen years ago I am so proud of myself today you know so it can be as simple as soft you know L. just fire something in me and there’s something deep dying because a lot of these movies when I was younger I watch them on harder Tatian you know they were comforting and the reputation mean gene you notice something different every time it’s slightly different maybe every time because she noticed something you didn’t quite pick up or before so their shot I I find a lot of pleasure in that it’s like a scavenger hunt that you’re you’re you’re finding things in every frame every scene okay I do like that too I think that for me I am so odd because I have a great memory I can’t even lie it’s so in order for me to watch a movie more than once it has to be really good because I I remember the gist I’m so late once the air again I am just feel as though once I’ve seen what a movie once I don’t need to see it again but that’s not for all please there is a a recent Marvel movie that came out was called more biz yeah that’s a movie I’m never going to see again I I thought it was bad yeah because I remembered at all but this time you will get back here yeah it’s you will not get back at you could spend your time doing something that leads me to another question did you ever walk out of the movie I have Sonya there was one by cost something just came from the recesses of my brain I remember walking out it is a short film that was being screened I went to it because some thirty students of mine hi it’s me it at and you I went to support them and it was the most misogynistic loaded on since like it was horrible it wasn’t just like these characters are like that it was the film itself was misogynistic so I think that’s a real big distinction there and I couldn’t spend any more time minutes company so I walked out of class I’m trying to think if there’s any examples from you something bigger mainstream or because usually I’ll I’ll end year or something because yeah you know I want to give it the time I wanna give it a chance cassette I think going to see something and certainly if you pay to go and say something and the sentiments very different from if you’re at home and you just now enjoying it and you give up and the theater I think I mean I don’t think I had since may be I was a kids I was just bored or something I don’t think that kinds as an adult I don’t think I’ve done not waste a feature length film okay so you have perseverance I can respect that I’ll try you know try and see it through to the end because I think you can really with us already say that was ater cock unless you go through it because you never know what’s going on the last twenty minutes you just never know and I returned it arrives you just come on give it a chance although I feel like if it was down to the last twenty minutes that is such a rare thing for it to turn it all around I mean there has been a movie recently that I did want to walk out okay but it wasn’t I don’t know how to describe it it was so I went with some friends he slept the entire movie so does give you an idea it was fantastic beasts three okay I thought that was so funny but I what I really wanted to see how it ended you know what you set up the whole plot I’m one of those people who are just so focused on the movie if I I can’t hear any distractions in the noon so I just but by the end I should have just walked out every everyone didn’t everyone wanted to walk out it just didn’t make sense a plot line didn’t make sense I’m not gonna go into it but you should watch it just over you should suffers a lot Polish yeah you understand what I’m see what I’m saying you know I’m very I haven’t seen any of those films yeah me neither I only lost third one okay think that was part of the problem do you need to have seen the first two of those possibly but at the same time it’s like if you really focus on her if you really like focus on each of the character threads like characters and stories brands even to someone who’s never seen the first two nine thank you can come to a conclusion where nothing makes sense okay you know it just falls into place perfectly like a dream and dreams don’t make sense it’s like that where something just pops into fruition even though it’s a magic movie like magic actually happens right so but it doesn’t make sense I don’t know how to describe it without spoiling it I’m sorry yeah now do you think you you’re drawn set maybe send stuff so much because of your graphic design and trusts you know you you you’re drawn to the veggie ology of things and high images are put together G. thing that’s where things are linking up for EA a start about that well before I got into graphic design as a kid growing up I’ve always loved movies so I guess yeah because I’ve always loved like visual stuff yeah I played a lot of games when I was a kid I was was fascinated by we’ll creating these moving images you know it was so cool only in L. I guess that’s what sparked my creativity the creative side and wanted to make graphics I love movies and my lover movies has played a part in my role in making graphic design and it’s also like spurred my love for other things other all forms of entertainment really it’s just it’s a it’s also a gateway drug really because once you start with one thing you exploring another then another then another so to answer your question I suppose so yes if you find tax useful with your podcasts we’ve got two options for you you can subscribe to the audio visual cultures podcast when you change for captioned videos and you can visit all the visual cultures dot com and click the transcripts top both sites are linked in the show notes along with information like this episode what CG at and your studies say Heidi failure studies are going at the moment I feel like I’m still a fledgling like that young Phoenix who hasn’t been re born yet so this doesn’t mean anything but I am certified in photo shop which basically means you know how to use Photoshop and I feel like I’m not at the level where I can design something as good as someone who’s been using or studying or doing graphic design in the field for analyte five years or something but at this point in my studies I’m still young but I still want to pursue this studio art thing and create R. N. up my skills you know because I wanna see where my potential wise I wanna create cool stuff and then again I’m still in the beginning stages and you don’t know where life’s going to take you and I do want to transfer to another university to further pursue my degree there so that that stage will probably be is so is there like a level after fledgling but before fully reborn that would be that okay thanks yeah in preparing for re first something like that yes like a volcano it worked eruption that’s interesting so should your practice so is this very practical things as well as computer based yeah creation A. K. A. ranges from the last time I looked it up on Google it was late photography ceramics graphic design painting all that stuff just in caps who waited in a broad term studio art and do you feel like you’re zoning tips check your things are you enjoying trying I different things so you still trying to find your way so the funny thing is I have been using Photoshop doing graphic design the visual aspects for not a long time I’ve only just begin and probably August twenty twenty one but I love it and it’s really helped me just appreciate how artists create things like visually and I love videos and films so that’s really got me into trying out video editing in stone S. I love photography to I think it’s cool plus you get so everything’s connected right you can use Photoshop to edit photos that you took with the camera N. you can honestly between video editing and graphic design you can interlace the two things you can edit say for example you can edit something in Photoshop and then put it in premiere pro and then vice versa and even with sound the entire adobe suite has not sponsored by them but they have this entire suite full of programs that you can use to do visual audio audio visual and it’s all connected you can honestly change things between different programs and that’s wild it’s crazy none that’s amazing yeah I think creative cloud is the dream if you can afford it so while you’ve got access to yet use the hallowed of it yeah that is really expensive when you’re on your own that’s great I know I think a lot of people don’t realize that a lot of photographs are added to you know a lot of professional photographs things that appear in newspapers and online articles and even photography competitions they are added its versions of the original image yeah of course I feel like at this point every time %HESITATION that photograph if it’s not edited it would have to be like the really just fresh like I was next to the photographer fresh for that not to be edited but yeah I mean definitely every photograph that’s like in a contest I mean it is not edited why is it there you know like it doesn’t look good yeah they did it because by editing I think remain as well it can just be coloring as you know yeah adding some coloration or just sharpening the lighting or you know it can be just that kind of thing and I think a bit you know a lot of people don’t realize that post production and film visual effects can be that sort of thing as well it’ll take a very realist image and just just tweak a color slightly and you know color great at sight they are out a bit more shadow or something like that that’s all based on the facts as well and we don’t just mean big C. GI Kashi Barney fights and stuff visual effects is a lot broader than all of that is just to make it because it just tweaking the color slightly you can change your major when you’re looking at the image I think so you know it can make you feel like all that C. is so deep and crisp and clear or thought sunset is so orange and red or paying or whatever I’ll just deep in that and that might make you have slightly more of an emotional response right Hey one time I took a class it was called color fundamentals and basically taught you the color wheel and in that class I learned that so each of the primary colors right so you get read orange blue those are probably not the primary colors but anyway either Hicks the point is great each shade of those colours is like invokes a different motion like connotation like light green that could mean that you know nature or something grass in blue you could probably think of water or call home you know it invokes different emotions I think that’s interesting and one other thing I wanted to say that yeah I don’t think a lot of people know how things get created and that’s like between like movies and stuff like that takes a lot of effort there’s camera work lot of production a lot of lighting and a lot of just scheduling also would like art anything with art you know they don’t know the specifics or even behind a podcaster right they don’t know how much Mike is or the shock mount that comes with it or the headphones you know it’s like it’s a lot and I feel like the who aren’t in in our field they don’t know just how artists create and hoping to change that it’s good to talk about it because I think I’m what I’ve listened to your podcast Adam sank thought has come up very much but it’s not something that you sometimes get and she is because she said you journal so do you talk about your pro sass do you talk about hate what you’re learning a month you try and what you feel out what works and that sort of stuff like in life or a lot of artists would say it’s all the same so it’s your artwork but it’s your license also okay folks true I don’t currently but I should not I think about it his arm I don’t really describe my process because I feel like nothing really changes how do I say this I don’t feel like enough changes for me to warrant me talking about my process no matter sorry I’m late really I can get in my head in the words just don’t come out so it’s like me describing my process now I don’t think anyone’s really interested in that to be honest it just short answer yeah in like no one asked me that so I’m I’m just like why should I bring it up thank you now yeah well well if I ask you know why can you give us a quick run through of your creative process what would you say how would you describe it well when I create something like visually like graphic design I just stare at the screen and then I close my eyes and I think what do I want to make today what do I want to do what can I do first of all let’s create let’s did make some layers right let’s put a splash of color let’s make some shapes you know let’s look at the internet let’s find some free images yes that was the term and let’s just build something mmhm and let’s be experimental with it and let’s just have fun with it and when I get burnt out I will take a break and I’m gonna come back to it so when I create R. I am very meticulous yes some people spend several days working on a project I do that as well I feel like once you feel like you can’t do anything more to it and you just you just feel that it’s in good good enough to your taste that’s when you’re finished that’s what I’ve learned about myself I’m very feel type of person I can be logical I guess but most of the time when it comes to creativity and art I just have to feel it C. ever very intuitive approach to what you make yes whether it comes to anything you know when I feel like I’ve done enough or maybe like when I feel that it’s perfect you know even if that night might not be perfect and nobody’s perfect or nothing is perfect it just to me when I feel like I can’t do anything more N. all my energy is just exhausted and I don’t want to work on this anymore because I put all my love and creativity and just thought into it then that peace is finished but signs thank you for calling the digital collage approach it’s not fair yeah that’s fair call us to me is always seemed like a very intuitive approach I knew like have been said collage workshops and people will Brady meticulously planned all right what they’re going to date before the second inning dying and I just rampage and then I go I’m gonna put that out there but not there and I’ll just do something and I’ll figure it out as I go you know and if I don’t like some sun I’ll get something else to cover it over you know on a layer it profits and tear it apart or something you know what I mean so I’m not I wonder if your digital collage approach as some similar but I suppose in digital it’s easy to tests Mason so late and that sort of thing so you know what what are the differences varying between like physically in individually yeah convenience and ease for digital yeah you can copy and paste so you don’t have to like get to more sheets of paper you know so it’s like it’s very easy with the simple keyboard click and the layers are just so easily manageable and you can really adjust the colors all in all you just like I it doesn’t compare to the feeling of actually physically and making a collage which is like really therapeutic but distillate I feel as though it’s just simpler and probably more either as or more time consuming because due to it being more easy or simple you like spend more time with it this could just be me like second guessing was this right what should I do this or do this instead right but at the end of the day both are lake trying to navigate out of the maze because when you reach a dead and you’re like oh wrong way I guess I’ll go the other way yeah so don’t trap yourself in a box pretty much basically %HESITATION N. in a collage physically you have scissors I guess known you don’t use scissors and actually you can cut I think in digital or info shop but don’t take my word on that I’ll probably have to see that when you create something she just leave it there and he just save and move on to the next saying or difficult boxes things and even just select them and go what was going on with me not say this or anything in there Sir that is true I I like add it to my portfolio and I like to look at it sometimes I’m like that and some kid are you know hi this is my own biggest fan and I went that relate to what you said yeah that is interesting what like what was I thinking when I created this most of the time I don’t create based on what I’m feeling I create on late what I can make what my skills at that level can create as weird as that sounds for an artist I feel like when you do different mediums for me when I do like graphic design I’m not doing it based off emotion I’m doing it based off of how cool can this look but you know but like when it comes to like music I feel like you can really get into your feelings when you know you told me before he died he topple and rock are you still saying a word yet still doing anything yeah so try yeah sorry I just sometimes I forget what I do %HESITATION yeah I love wrapping I’ve grown up listening to hip hop and rap because okay so the reason why I love rap is not because of well initially I listen to it because I thought it would make me cool something shall like that but as I’ve grown up I really fell in love with the interest like the skill of actually rapping like forget the B. in the music for a second let’s talk about the lyrics you know lyrics can actually invoke a lot of emotion and while you’re rhyming doing all these complicated rhyme schemes that’s crazy you know rapping is difficult I but I love it so much because there’s the pay off you know when you when you just go on to be to the music it’s almost as if you’re floating in the air because it’s just that it’s just that addicting that in there so much like to learn from their so much content out there and it’s like with the anything you know back to everything is connected when you when you see a person at the top of their game say arm who’s really good at graphic design for again okay okay he doesn’t do graphic design but van Gogh okay he has a great painting starry night okay your leg while that is amazing or Michelangelo you know and is on I can have so crazy like the way they did R. back then was at the top of their craft and the rap artists in the game right now like Eminem like his lyrics he’s been doing it for over thirty years his lyrics are so intricate and complicated it’s almost as though he just does it every day he actually read the dictionary just to come out with new words to rhyme and that’s crazy that’s dedication and I’m just I love this skill aspect of it I love the school aspect of anything that’s why I like to try everything because you never know what you might like and I feel like the more you try everything well you do everything the more well rounded you become and you become the best you can be in everything like contributes to each other right so if you’re good at podcasting you edit your own audio right so then that gives you experience into like making videos and making the audio sound perfect for videos right and then when you have experience in video editing right you could probably edit music videos and films or TV right so everything’s connected graphic design to for album covers for posters movie posters and books you know no one really thinks about books knowing like visually when the last time you read a book well I read quite a lot but yeah good right so it’s like books in wrapping is connected to poetry okay I firmly believe that because poetry is just or wrapping is poetry in motion right is rhyming it can be rhyming but I also cannot and it’s everything is connected is the what I’m trying to say and yeah that’s true New York City right and I’m I mean not point sets graphic design is just everywhere now you’re absolutely right because it covers it up send me pics are absolutely not dying that they their fate physical tics are so very very alive and well and the covers are more and more interesting and I think people and shops when they’re shopping for pics online and in stores retracted to the coverage more and more I think because they are more and interesting and having to get more interesting to compete with each other yeah you know and more expressive pieces of color and damages and everything did possibly the Iran you’ve got so many options open sea and it’s really refreshing to hear that you’re interested in lots of different things and you can appreciate that yes things sold so you can act up when’s that it’s not everything has to be side loaded off and write your specialist nothing that’s all you today because certainly in my academic life previously thought very much what it was like it was right but you’re the expert on thought one thing so you don’t get to talk about anything else but I know loads of stuff but lots of other things so you know it’s really great to hear somebody certainly younger than me I’m thinking and trusted and those to stuff and you know using that and really going for it and trying I stopped because I think that’s the ideal is people need to be able to have %HESITATION set things to figure it all Eyez to figure ites he can I be I want to bait what title for him I get asked and where do those things start to mock shock but knows that I could maybe make a living out of something you know so yeah it’s great to see hopefully on the postulates that journey yeah for sure I’m pretty much like an open book I go with the flow you know whatever it’s also just nice to wake you have something to fall back on you know right you’re just open about everything your interest in everything you know one feel doesn’t work out you go in another because you have experience in that field it’s all about having fun the end of the day and I do enjoy this learning everything on facts right so my podcast used to be called Jordan learns everything but I thought that was too long so I then I changed it to Jordan mode fun fact well there’s something in that suit Jordan modes mode is type of average at set way of playing it can be a type of something can be a way of doing something that is an interesting title and was it just that he felt the previous site was long gone K. or why that particular words what was it about that word the that’s a great question so basically my initial thoughts was to start off I was named after Michael Jordan the greatest basketball player of all time I firmly believe that and I like if you see them on the court weather videos or whatever he goes crazy and that’s why I think he’s the girl N. I just thought that’s Jordan mode right like nine ten plus I’m super competitive right soon if you’re on my team we’re gonna win so when I go crazy I’m also going Jordan mode so then those two aspects just like really brought out that title and I thought it was just perfect that’s very interesting there’s a lot of meaning I like to put meetings like double meanings I think that’s where it like my level rap comes from because in rap their lyrics that can have double or triple entendre sorry so I just started doing this recently but every episode title is modeled after a rap song it’s something little like that but I’d like to do those things because it it’s not fun for me Nina the plays with language that happened did you said earlier you did it a class in speech will say and this language in general something that you think about it do you speak other languages %HESITATION yeah yeah yeah I speak Chinese I am Chinese American I speak Cantonese N. as a different dialects from the main language which is Mandarin a lot of change he was being manner when I speak Cantonese which like the language of the south I’ve always been good at English growing up I’ve always been like terror want math so I think that’s played a part in this me being good at language arts English literature reading I’ve always loved that my parents forced me to read N. at the time when I was younger I was like I don’t want to read but then now I’m thankful because it’s given me so much valuable information and skill into the English language being able to differentiate your different words like they’re they’re they’re just being good at just communicating what else are they gonna say okay and not communicating right now but %HESITATION fun fact Eminem also is really good at English growing up so I believe that reading and being good at English that’s gonna level up your rapping skills it really is all connected and throw a bit of poetry in there right some poetry now therapeutic experience and I’m sorry what was the initial question I went off on a tangent I feel fine tangents are very welcome on the show because I usually have remember where I stay nice so yeah I think I was asking just generally about a language and because it you know because you’re dealing with visual languages as well in your artwork then you know you’re interested rocked and shoot just highly loaded language conveyed and rap and poetry and then I I wondered if he spoke other languages so you know that’s really useful to hear because I think that just expands what you can J. west language and whatever language you’re speaking it can expand it because she can learn other ways of saying things and the other language you know so I’m ready and trusted in hearing it’s also not from fire multilingual speakers all right yes also when you’re like bilingual I don’t think in Cantonese though I never think that I only speak Cantonese when I’m with my family is there Chinese SO like day to day I speak English because I was I was raised English pretty much I pretty much in school speak English day today speak English only time I speak Chinese is like at my house with my parents you gain a sort of appreciation for you have like two different sides of thinking almost great yeah I’d also like to different languages like more opportunities you know you can get by in in a different country and stuff so that’s pretty cool okay that’s interesting I’m a language learner rather than a multi lingual person just fumbling my way three other languages so three so I love hearing from people who’ve grown all bilingual or multilingual because I think he you have a very different mind sets you know and and and my experience when I know people he he have spots there may be more open minded about south there are very creative and the way they can express things can just stop in your tracks sometimes because it it’s a different way of thinking I think now the more Irish I learned to try and tap into pop side of me the mower sayings just open all right Anderson different understanding of a way of being S. out makes sense right is also like you learn about the differences and similarities between your culture and both of them are your culture so for example my Chinese culture and my my American like upbringing you can see the two sides you interact with different people and you’re just like while we have two different ways of life and that’s not bad it’s just different that’s just interesting and the cuisine you know when we have the food eats culture your lake while I know what I like and what I don’t like heck well B. E. definitely like bananas yeah do you dressed as a banana with your family ever no no not not outside of you told interest saying I I’d I’d rather go out on the street address of as a banana and Shania it’s not interesting where version of ourselves wherever we are is not it we’re always forming a version of ourselves and whatever situation we’re in yeah isn’t that interesting it’s like when you’re in front of different people you take L. version of yourself for example in front of your family you act a different way in front of your like close friends or a friend of a stranger you know it’s interesting I think the boulder things so we day we’re more likely to do it completely far away from our funds that he’s yeah it says here today it was strangers it’s not sure I’m okay Jordan is there anything we haven’t touched on that you were really hoping to talk about today how’s your day do you was I spending a lot of editing to say so wasn’t just saying that you brought that up earlier I’ve been seeing a lot of audio editing that is for to be passed on to video so that’s what I’ve been doing all day and %HESITATION almost lost track of time and it’s a really fun and shake projects so yes that’s what I’ve been doing I’ve been quite happy in my work eight a I did a couple of ours this morning and then I realize you know what I’m doing and that’s wrong there’s a better way for me to do this so then I started from scratch well started the added from scratch and it’s not going quite awhile so that’s my day Hey that’s good at least you like found or you like how I say it you found what you thought you were doing wrong and they you took action to find a solution to correct it and save more time yeah well I feel like a lot of people like they’re stuck in this routine right so they could be doing something and this isn’t just like for other people this also includes me as I am I have also been guilty of like doing the same thing over and over when in fact I could have done something different to save time right I could try something new right and that’s just just props you know that takes a lot to just be like I don’t want to do this anymore I’m gonna try something different I think that’s cool so and you’re just barely starting your day R. G. or you’re in the east coast asset so you’re just in the early afternoon hi yeah yes like one one PM right here okay yeah so if you got big stuff on the rest of the day %HESITATION some pride is also going to add it to set the nana Kamal for the editing yes there really is no way I today I will actually die you know so well I really enjoyed speaking with you it’s been lovely to have just to really relax interesting conversation and the see where it goes and it’s just been really good fun and that’s been a definitely a unique experience specially for me so for yeah yeah yeah why the first banana yeah my first banana hello hello I do have them a friend he’s an artist and her nickname is Joanna bananas so %HESITATION but she didn’t wear call shame for me right Jim Acosta information written songs on the electoral banana yes okay cool all right a yes thank you for having me on is an absolute blast you’re very welcome and yes one of the meeting it and ready get doc quests all of your studies and everything in here working on yeah and you too %HESITATION the podcast the key shot out the audio visual cultures podcast thank you yes until you go and check out Jordan moats and I’ll be linking to that and are shown to sparkle awesome

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hello and welcome to the official cultures the podcast attached to the broader AVC educational projects I'm your host polar bear thanks for finding us die noting and that's nine this is station as opposed to being discussion between me and film historian Andriy she'll fight Danny Vanya of twenty sixteen of them a rifle before settling into last reminder that you can get in touch by email on audio visual cultures at G. mail dot com with queries or if you'd like to be a guest speaker at some point at the time of this recording I'm still designing and populating the audio visual cultures website which aims to facilitate and supplement lifelong learning and retention of arts and humanities study areas the website hasn't yet launched but is under construction to help me get it up and running please consider pledging a monthly subscription via Petri on dot com forward slash P. E. a planner where you can also access videos blogs thanks to publications and video transcripts all of which are building towards populating the website I'm a film scholars to film and cinema dominate discussions as we get up and running in the long run the objective is to be as diverse and inclusive and content breaking as possible I'm a little late breaking trying find race and destructing hard borders so I hope you'll join me for that and I hope you enjoy the following discussion so what did we just watch wait just watched her iPhone and this is a family so and the cinnamon last year when it came right I need both the TV day quite awhile ago and we haven't got round to watch NET party because I think for months we just needed to watch %HESITATION light stuff in here is that it's gonna be hard even though we've seen it before it's still a highly emotive %HESITATION and it seemed like quite a lot of heavy stuff as well as being enjoyable for its incredible artistry him anyway I think it's appropriate that we've delivered a re watch the film we saw in cinemas because we haven't done that yet according Hey we did it with a little time so that we can get things mixed up and I must say that having found the original watch quite an intense experience yes this was less intense of course because I know it's gonna happen but also it just seemed to move faster this time around yeah because the intensity of what's your first name is derived in part from a panel only really understanding about half of what was going on because it was deliberately misleading at some point here for something like seventy five percent of its initial coin itself because he could say this is a pretty misleading and not quite a negative connotation to set up bombs you have to rethink language including film language for the phone taken to press makes sense so the firm has a pile of dramatic structure so my knee on lock a different way of thinking about phone usage all these different approaches say language intensive language so it's the only misleading because the narrative conventions from a largely western cinema where you stay have a certain structure and stuff %HESITATION it's not structured in that way within its own rules it's not misleading the told because the William those rules by which I think that the film is itself an initially speaking its language and situated it's fear is going to misunderstand it %HESITATION and only later on provides a little context cues necessary to figure out that this language is different from the one and I suppose I mean to the way that some on the right time consulting Monday I wondered for a moment because we're gonna be starting for the CFM pitting warnings on the comment for everything that these discussions are largely analytical so you need to have seen the film if you don't want spoilers that's not already read the review on the very occasional will gotcha but some enough personalize we get few opportunities to state what we thought about the quality of his work yeah service is going to make a play that very particular academics but being as objective as possible in our work and something like that they're gonna say your opinion every now and again %HESITATION and of course it's because we both like it that I voted in the body and that we just do it okay Sir time flashbacks and flash forwards first think the distinguishes a flashback as a convention in cinema is associated with the character of the story space remembering something it's not the equivalent of an right in prose fiction going five days a lot of our equivalent of the film taking us back in time is because in the in the on going story now a character reflecting them memory of something that happened in the past to warranty thing is a memory recollected memory not the actual parks so the first part convention %HESITATION what I means is that if a film showing you something which is clearly I don't to have political would %HESITATION perfect showing huge Starkey discrepant chante shop the shop see something happens it will only be apparent that this is a flashback if the some indication that the characters doing some remember so when Louise banks started to remember any of this kind when he started to remember in fact remained ahead of the house in little scraps that started after the first major breakthrough with have to both and it's the woman she taken off her husband's suit and so there was a moment of her stopping looking rather disturbed crunching over and then graphically very dissimilar shot with much shallower depth of field so both of our focus on women of Hannah and serve as a clear conventional as promising this is a confidence and remember there's little specs that we were getting through roughly the middle heartfelt very clearly delighted to be flashbacks but form only as we're getting towards the end of them did the content start to indicate that that kind of happened in the past because Hannah knew about that now what are the beginning this is the first five minutes the film we have a quick rampage through what seems to be the ten years leading up to the day when they have to put survive which includes the growing up and then the illness and then kind of daunting why does that seem to be happening before that if well actually we find out which one happens often have to put the right hands off to have closely even why does it seem to be the case because some sort of cute because his account to remembering something is absolute intolerance of aspect of film grounded out for less than ten grams absent at the beginning and so what did you and I both assume a certain set of miles what did you and I both again trying to figure out what we knew about some distance so much you rely on its view is thinking about getting first aid or vessel to make sense we thought that the older mature sharing things with the order in which they have invested two existing conventions with cinema one is much more of a ritual as long as the flash back and everyone seems to be a bit more than instinctive and simply missing a bit of time hunting for the missing another time happening is notification whether this time B. happens before or after I so we just assume it happens often doesn't give a kind of default assumption so this from development who is not one of those big stars like this is always talking about his friends and the making of stuff that we've seen has him very meek and very quiet and very willing to credit the intelligence of those working around him but this is somebody who really understands the formal behavior of the medium is working as well as the convention allies major effect habeas suspect it can be changed even though what you're after engaging knows the change is a really brute force German if the system kind of blatant Hey look you know what you thought and you know we constantly prompted you to think flip back completely on its head down and that has to be in tune with a learning by the characters that time isn't what they think it is so happy because content queue in the first place to go it's time for you to instant possibility that phone line which could be significant different which brings on the table I think is not the principle concede to the some of the things the second consider the phone which is isn't it cool that science teaches us that things that seem common sense righteously assumptions that it might not be appropriate to always make so the basic thing that the linguists quickly what counts is that the noises that these have to put the making on Oct speech that just rumblings that set the kids stay human privileges what human does and it's interesting when you pick up the kids birch he is there to test out this year but it's chirping away and we decided to that parts do not have language because their chirps there are certain signs that parts make up on means certain things but we don't maybe study enough what the heck they fix main court but they're like my sense of what they do with their wings the physical aspects of what a day we have developed speech and language so that's what we have decided this primate communication on this film reminds us and actually because we practice H. Arbel speech and people who do not possess verbal speech for whatever reason whether they've had a stroke or they've never been able to speak or whatever it is that prevents them from accessing that we decide that they cannot communicate we privilege this manner of speaking so we have to remember to open our minds so it's J. other modes of communication I think in my phone line which they're thinking about silent cinema because they have to put it behind the screen basically and they're making its physical maintenance and sheets that they make its images that they make off the mode of communication I'm not sensually what silent cinema was kind of course cited tenement wasn't silent it was no easy because there's other stuff going on with it and there's no visual sign these have to parts are you know what you say and they occupy space that makes noise but got no easy isn't communicating anything not communicating things and language sentiment is often called the medium that learned to talk and learn to communicate well it already did you already eight the communication which should have been forced to adopt and because it had no sound and the feeling of the teams that are you in that short story that the films based on today top into those different modes of communication I can't send a man is different mode of communication we can communicate thirty seven men without it for but language very easily actually because the internet's codes we learned what it does so if it's misleading it's because we have a fixed notion of what had a thing isn't what narrative structure is and we have to come fix those the way that nobody's buying fast on fix language and again that idea of time and memory we have to destruct hi humans experience time and space time we have a very then your understanding that because our lives in many years it begins and ends this story and since it began to begin to finance like a palindrome one thing we must do during this discussion is I have a quick look on the story kind of stuck on our site to see if they've done wrong the journal of nonlinear films but this new two recent interactive feature change diagram it's a bit unfortunately stuck him in the field of sonic medium prevents us from using the terms you need to it's right how this works I haven't read Ted Jennings %HESITATION shows courage because during your life others a long short story of personal violence course and fix anything from what I've read of flight if I haven't read about it there but I'm quite keen to modify to fight it it's not necessarily that long but it's incredibly dense and complex well that's punk on the concept of science fiction from moment there's run of the Phoenicians of science fiction but the one I'm most fond of this one which is based on fields of science which of newly opened up the things which are speculative and that they speculate about hold possibilities have imagined thirty years ago they speculate on the basis of recent discoveries so this is somebody who's speculating about possibilities that have been providing graphics and possibilities that are controlled by physics fifteenth the idea that you have to understand that concept of time %HESITATION this is a very incorrect times %HESITATION I was running about today it's the first call to double space experiment when you fire particles through two slits you get a wave pattern on the screen on the other side but it happens even when you find just one particle three suggesting that the particle passes through both slits at the same time so that part is actually in two places at once which suggests that a condemnable our understanding of space and time doesn't apply and Sir just going Hey maybe there might be a possibility that you can get twenty grams of understanding of the universe where that just becomes your norm understanding of space and time on the show story I just record participation of the short story and it seems to be very similar to this and it has the same roughly circular structure as well and what we may have here is one of those instances when an adaptation translates aspects of the original into the destination medium with an understanding of the destination medium that means that things need to be changed or changing things that don't need chains on certain the short story starts on the daily the bank's conceived her daughter when she makes the decision to get pregnant knowing that the daughter will die if this pregnancy and searched their stories thank you have a consistent original series of fresh fourteen flashbacks and ends with her explaining why she's make that decision can we get roughly the same thing with the film just not for those particular moments it's the entire life of highland and brother yes can catch in the form that we can just turn that narrative voice narration ians Donnelly's character and %HESITATION takes out on for a short time %HESITATION and it so it doesn't last very long and it's a fight the ladies and that's about it hi they actually started on Rockcliffe and hard work really yeah it's something right it's a diary that he seems to be keeping our or to replace a reworking of Atari yeah during the first few weeks of this research I think we're close in proximity and in terms of time to it's just the the first race thing if you're trying to get K. Wachter hideous and arbiter of the film what's the narrative point of view of the family his voice takes on on like there said policemen from him for a short time I was thinking one of those things that marks it out as being a meditation is that it does the thing of having an racist speaking at the beginning of a new way to disappears as a focus of thought with Hey we were going to use this pretty quick do you see the rates at from the original prose and yet after about two or three days of writing the script they go we need to just stop this after a bit so that's half that's fine love you choose you know English however for the first four minutes and then we start then hand over to the filmic persistent rains so the initial stuff from Louise at the beginning and then we've got that blob in the middle which is one of those which is going to skip forward a few weeks come on things that we often get which is the only nation and then at the end we get very abstract just Louise speaking to herself maybe not contemporary to more missing her may so maybe it is just what he's thinking about point maybe it's not so reject list content helpful marks Dr T. is adapted from products nothing done in such a way that complete peace of the overall arc this is the list of stuff that was from two major rampage through because if this thing I think perhaps it might be called the Cloverfield principle which is where have CG or elements in your storage space but half of them only the first Gulf by dodges it cameras so that they are composed into easy shots into shaky shots posted sep thirtieth our focus where from the distance or have them in their shops which article the articulating shots and then the ones which are taken by a camera that gives us the store expects the number comes in at three point minimum rating camera button ratings on the right with the articulating the storage place that shows yeah we've been known to ideas that can help them in their cells that have that kind of behave similarly to the artistic canvas I haven't let things be out of focus have it move quite frantically but one scene where Louise is now in the field and she's having a crisis and she's gonna walking back and forth on this reservation he hand held camera and for most of the two or three shots the ships in the background and it's tougher and that's something which was done yeah first production this year was just put into the background and it was integrated such that as far as that's concerned these are unremarkable objects yes first in the background it's fair but it's on imposing it's just yes Sir and yet you've got the contrast with all the news programs calling it a crisis Elian crisis under just sitting there they're not saying anything and so as far as the the film is going these characters have no reason to be scared and then the contrast between the message and the characters all being so scared even including banks because it is an overwhelming experience yeah yeah and W. to you know he's he has a frightful every on thirty fifth and he's going to try to stick side about the entire thing still finds it quite scary but it's entire Nokia that rises I think there's probably a lot to go into the military yes well into that military time I was thinking actually this clash between this multi lateral way of thinking about time from the aliens and the time span of weeks needs to crack them but there's military time that is %HESITATION two hundred dollars has to be done by this time by the state for roadside of here there are smaller is about two million three times the amount of time because it has to be done so we have to make the time for lots of things to work through establishing deadlines that's one way in which you can derive moment is you can go hate character I you need to tell her to be the card to be has five minutes to do a thing okay the viewer now there's that there's a sense of urgency okay what's the deadline is quite important to Charlie's and military messages constantly establishing deadlines and it does make the deadline principle of plot and knowing this place makes our employees feel like %HESITATION I've just leave these people alone and lax procedures that take time happen which I suppose is what anyone who is into scholarly research really wants to be the attitude of those in charge because some research projects take he's one of things that seems to distinguish tentang before you read the stories that he spent five years working as an English according to wikipedia must be faxed the spurs on when that might be working as a linguist or maybe he just attended a few links to schools that are pretty interesting I will also write down the phone on the business day familiarization cinematography because there are so many shots where the camera was looking or the street temple street down and we call those extreme high angle shot fifty one percent in straight up but the the other shorts with the resulting image is someone familiar from at least it took a few seconds ago one of them looking for where is the camera close to two of them looking I think that when they first arrived in the helicopter to the site and Montana and it's quite slowly circling around and it's realistic in the sense that it's sort of mirroring the actions of the helicopter but there's something slightly other worldly if idea and it's not just because of this sort of space ship the fire don't even know what to call it because it's sort of part like and it's a technology that's I mean it's incredibly designs it's it's like it's like a pebble you know so it's really weird to think of it as the technology that's much more accounts than anything that we've produced but it is not fair but there's something sort of normal about it because it's just they're just having national may think it's the management of the camera that feels unnatural and also something that's very real and officer spoke on our state it's the way the call you can roll across the screen there's something very area if I thought people who lived in Cape Town they call the clowns that sits on top of table mountain the cool of the tablecloth because the kind of draped over the edge before they praised the low then there's so many factors from around the world one hundred one weather system meets another is that you can get this wall of mist abruptly stops at one point I kind of marches forward as the weather system comes in I've been part of the world where the sea is really cold and bland is quite home in the mess that you get in those kinds of situations are he and I wouldn't be surprised if that messed with C. G. R. A. then as well as yeah the ship because the league quickness of Artemis seem to be something that I have to pull from quite welcome because we used to live in a condo me leave that because that was like but like if it's there's hello there's a kind of half the witness list it's quite hard up to go and that there is gravity she does fall when she's in that environment but her Harish slowing is that she's under water and yet it's still hanging dying thinking she could still breeze so it's part of that science fiction conservative we're just gonna have something be magically possible at this point so she's in this environment where supposedly she conferees because they keep pumping that stuff out of the part of the ship whether humans can communicate with them so she's in a partnership made but she can relax and maybe a lot stuff of pumping out of that area was also one ninety business the slow delusions the jump the gravity jump from the zip code level data thank the stuff that they're open you can prove most most so when they made that jump on to what is now the insider says the board of the alien ship the comfort court of two shots where it seems that the cardinal is magically lengthening but of course that's done three of the leases and it would be a Dolly outs image yeah no it's only in the amount back and saying man what if he's created haunting the impression of that if you do if you're hosting a person's death that means easing out side of the Dalian and zoom out it'll be the opposite of the jewels person the Joe's version I don't know that required yeah I think it's it's the same as all of them and don't even think the office stuff the what we have well I'm really dying though the FAQ CNN %HESITATION return I just remember only saving different okay well we'll let one penny back perceived here hi it's work better than mine hi okay open to be improved throw the list we have ten international conflict place or I thought when they were being taken I'd have to say it's the first time I'm sick of birthing I think the way Frank speaking first in a way maybe that's that Terry %HESITATION but yes but just within wrapped up in the states the radiation six very think properly again and things are starting to crack and it's not her it's like a new way of life something I liked her continue right here my mind is less okay all right so we'll just mention that color and contrast and like math %HESITATION aspects to the look of this film because there's not the saturation of color in fact some of the colors seem to be quite sickly in the situation but there's lots of black and gray the not one very late on a conversation between the reason even when it's fairly possible to see their faces make a call to let Cincinnati time Scully behind them is just north of the flight it's the kind of footage where if you saw that footage and then rushes at the end of the day someone in the room okay %HESITATION okay that's knowing it probably let just been it will do it again posted sep not told very deliberately done this stuff I think this relatively dark relatively greyish look throughout the film isn't really stark contrast to the illumination environment that they're in when they're talking with customers because that's the right point glowingly white screen that they use on that day right when the things that he %HESITATION Hana filed but I kept wondering kissing the fellas very based and it feels like it's night time all the time and they're trying to they're going right to the end of the visit and it's daylight but it feels so dark and oppressive and the military base buildings but I can't wondered today not need to be able to save the day and %HESITATION maybe someone to well that is part of the general net versus military %HESITATION motif possibly as a sort of dark clothes stand and you know you can share your toys and anybody it's all ours what kind of stuff distrust of everything it's an accounting and trusting me to be able to say would you dare woman anything Astros and it's music we need to get a fair bit of attention some music and something I don't pay enough attention to a it was me saying no you don't yeah I was missing I also don't pay but just simple because I studied music event when I was younger %HESITATION I change our perception moved to that spot I've just been always drawn to the image yes it's the only ready right two weeks since Johan Johansson the composer dice he has scored quite a few prominent films that have come in the past few years as well as being somebody who's been working on a concept albums and things quite a bit in the last number of years as well I don't know that much by hand I don't know enough really great music and film in general but yes I think what's going on in this %HESITATION just need attention I wrote dying that exco and where there's there's a kind of tradition that has grown and scifi of electronic music because it took a year that saw their world play the situation since at least the nineteen fifties possibly not but definitely since nineteen fifty so experiments with electronic music were happening and it was really only in terms of film at this debate may face and that off of guard may face that where you think like tronic signs that turning music from what I've been made not by hand he has thought very interesting mix of classical but that contemporary music so you've got both of those things come into play in the film so there's a kind of protection website fighting scores and yet something feels Peron's nearby this even though there's a human point tonight Zacks are send their from exit music yeah lows in the recent existing music because this is not correct this article has grown into daylight and it's from about two thousand three but much more classically oriented music the piece of music which I think is the most conspicuous one of John Henson's is on the sound track listing it's called had to put Betty is the one that's got a singer he's going yeah it's characteristic of I think really well done nor does it sound right if this sounds seems to kind of lead captive the experience of being in the store expects so some points the sound just seems to be the kind of grounding of machines the kind of sense of overwhelming message being sent to ship and put that piece which has the kind of release the concerts Morse code issue rhythm to it it's raising the sense of being faced with this language that you don't understand the sense of the person who's trying to communicate with you doing so with determination and rhythm and order but one that you don't have any complaints the definition might use in the voice as an instrument and said it's time to to be managed our non words an operable communication but the string of science that is being managed can cause an emotive reaction and a similar way to a musical instrument playing those same notes there's a similar idea on the most is that I teach %HESITATION which is one of my favorite someone else to do because this one is a seminar about sound this question always comes up and it's what is the minimum conditions something account and use it if it does get an instrument and just play a single nine from the instrument does it count as music and I have that according to the strict definition music no it doesn't but none the less we'll still categorized under massage I think sound and mostly by non digestive sounding music anyway there was quite a few elements and arrival at the foundry getting which one sort of loud groaning noise and then without tone to be held for about forty five seconds and then we get another slightly different tone of loud groaning one set I thought it sounded like pipes this is the entry of a high pitched pipes or strings and then maybe those signs have been processed that's my guess from my very own tray and here until the convention of what counts as music seems to be necessary something's been ingeniously torn to pieces and it's from something which is being brought to mind and just like the question yes but like verbal language it's distracting what we think of as music music is another language being distracted and that's %HESITATION what I meant to bring this up very fast the prospect whips is good hierarchy of language when we were watching this previous years or institution Christmas lecture they were a final communication and they devoted so much time commenting on them the name of the person who ran the room there's three of them they were great images so much time to pointing out how many different species communicate and how if you put all these things together you have not just for the for the communication we use other than spoken language you have quite a lot of the aspects of spoken language as well so spoken language is something I've worked with some linguistics colleagues about specifically in reference to arrive because they love to hear about a piece of fiction which that here they are here %HESITATION what they love to hear that they recognized us I said something like those you know how there's some chimpanzees have learned very large numbers of symbols and they can use it to communicate quite fast using you still touch pads what is pointing both have they learned grammatical language and often told by critics colleagues well that's a totality because language is by definition grammatical bustle mean by line if it's not dramatically second communication but that's not to say that musicians someone published because as we learned in the workstation thanks just layer upon layer upon layer of communication has characterized already solutions for buyers for hundreds of millions of years before the very very recent development of sound based on my schooling and service starts off with smile when one tiny organisms with a mix and particles and that should be sent via time Hogan said say this is my territory or I am on hate let's have a go what they shy away from Africa so we still have elements of small communications part of how we operate which go all the way back to the server interacting what else there was gesture so they look at their forms of gesture Richard opted by the other great types including some what seems to be a massive coal use of slimming amongst Japan's eight if that's the case if it doesn't have the courage to would have to go into specific older than that Sir Michael languishing on humans Russell seven was termed in the voice of dear Wednesday according to each other the tone seems to have something to do with status I wonder because there was a touch as well this seems to be a pervasive way much touches used to communicate with a shirt that way the chimpanzees communicate not just the gestural say through specific source of tension and that north of touching of hands yeah organizer say sorry or thanks all these phones green cation which are based on census other than hearing and communication which uses hearing bridge which is not compatible language as well and our medical care how language comes relates to this policy our running team as the transcribing of arguments for language if I'm even later addition to it and so if we would have good reason to think for any species would of course only right having first established I really have language but of course that's only the case in the environment which is a way to let craft fair sound might be an awful way well that's the thing because the signed sort of commutes the way to say if you're in a swimming pool and the waste goes to a state because fellas or if that happens we just gonna have to protest I think she said because I can't remember if my memory that's terrible hello this she can tell they did a different and I saw the end credits they were motion captured so people play them for her voice and her ability to hear he sort of needed it's kind of like she said that's what I'm told but you see that's the thing because if not we know more about you spaced some we know about our own solutions creatures like whales and dolphins have some communication I did get a sense of an attempt to evoke whale song why did I get that it was there he said in order to take music or was it just that I was reminded of stock check for the voyage home it's for the way of killing a woman and I yeah it's written dying sensory experiences to things like texture atmosphere the half gin awkwardness of the precautionary radiation sixth sense of gravity and how that changes when they're and they checked so things like that texture touch hi sign carries in the atmosphere all those sorts of things and he starts to think about it well hi guys show and they're behind a screen and you're behind a screen for that I am certified showing rather than hearing and saying the firm has a damn good job going this is the experience that these people having served things like extreme close ups when they run the hazmat suits flirty moving camera camera where it's like it's a camera that's trying to stay still but is confident offices late refraining all the time and the sound to be quite dense and that includes lots of people grieving and lots of instant Illinois thirty is firstly have to fight back and that's giving us a range of things to empathize with others we also feels the defect he can feel the weight of it you know when when the waste first pics are not fake radiation safety can say or have it is on our body and she's not used anything like that this is somebody who works in an office and as you an academic and so it's more likely than not to be socially awkward and you get a glimpse of that when she said that she concerning %HESITATION but she comes across as pretty paved that everybody's buggered off its walks not fads which Israeli interests and and knows her interactions with other humans that's what's not fat that communicate so much and that's actually something we all need to think about mark because often those gaps in our language for we cannot say what it is we cannot say we were fading when McConnell articulate that can often say much more we get to the end of the film and the well actually it's a gift maybe three quarters of a third roughly she says I know when my husband last may but she does you know this is in the future employer and ends up saving her because she tells him what's going to happen and you have to imagine he can stay with it and that they should have gone through the fast knowing that how that's going to die quite horribly and it's just saying that because this is difficult if the communication actually that's the problem but sometimes the gaps in our communication thanks so much which is something we don't think about it often enough well one thing that came to mind was the moral misdeeds of passengers we talked about this a bit of friends we have in the past is one character effectively mode is another phone by waking them up early from high to sleep so they will die of old age before they name that's a whole other discussion than that by the way since why did she go through that knowing that this child to suppression stars going to die but it's the fifth element that both of them have we'll see what mother was talking about it wasn't like Hannah's life or the suffering that Louise is going to go through and she seems to know that that that's going to happen as soon as it needs to happen because it happens this is why you have to start to consider space time it's different from faith and yes we can change our destinies but she's already acquired that all of this has happened but it just hasn't happened yet because she's seen already what has to happen I was also reminded but this is this going to be a kind of weapons Textron I was reminded of the back feature the first one the principal in that way it's similar tenuously how's the pasta something you can change plans the idea that you've always been going around and around in time and the fact that you've already gone back in time is what aspects of your life all the way to the officer does two things the same time and several times he has this determinist straightened and it has this you can change your future plans make a different decision yeah I don't have the radius server rooms and areas to features an array is because you have them right now yeah because the thing is it when you get the third film that's the kind of message it's if you just look them in the last week the first film which says if you just a second the end of the first and I'm going in the second one you can't smarting out of eight out of eight kids we could just make a change now rather than having to go to just not have kids with the arrival is if she knows the the future is going to be set why did she do anything a tool to trying to get hold of general shine because she has to say so there's a sense that things could go wrong things could happen in a different way that could be this global war I feel like there's no time to think about it because she's having those flash forwards but expensive her future is and conversation with her presence under hostile at the same time I feel like I should brush up on the delays but he can be bothered without the slices of time better sliding over one another it's kind of like you take a chunk out of a film and you can put it somewhere else and change the meaning at facetime mix I keep thinking back of professor Brian and wonders of the universe I think it was they acted where he talks about space time and he uses the photograph as the example of quite a margin slices of time slices space time where this is a thing that exists to Philly fast at the moment but for us to our understanding as passengers long dad it's long gone but it exists in space time so these moments that release experiences existence space time and they're speaking to her in a different part of space time that's so I understand that she's actually pay and dialogue with herself three a memory process but it's a memory processes going forward and backward at the same time it's like the palindrome so I went to them is that actually incompatible for the film going pero pero pero pero pero oppose getting great to the president getting greater there's pressure on the main characters to fix this disequilibrium and get rid of the peril so there has to be a conflict with struggling of what it was but the pain is coming from the humans well yeah and so if everything's fine in the future because she will focus on the map she will learn have to fault she will have Anna but if I was going to happen once the film dramatize any sort of rising tension and conflict because if so what it has to do with it the it's a film thing this is a film that challenges many of the conventions of filmmaking but one that keeps in place is one which is based upon the idea that we do have here we can check in choose different paths in the future even though what instantaneously at same time doing is saying our future is entirely deterministic and could if we have a reason the %HESITATION much better computing power then we can have we can complete your project was going to happen the future we have two different texts with M. S. sometimes one takes over from the other and I did say earlier that that was the film's second principal message was the dentist soon that people communicate and spoken language before the communique I think that sums actual principal conceit is that it's possible to live with the tennis possible to live even if one was able to actually make an accurate prediction about what's gonna happen for the rest of your life that life would still be worth living because life in general I mean the weather and while we're on that kind of area it also reinforces heteronormative the date and the family unit the male and female the standard people getting together to create a child there was one member of the film not quite doing that but that was expected yeah the film did seem to go %HESITATION differently reason in like it together they might get together it was not a thing together because the hotel is one of the finalists from did have one of its main protagonist and had him as a bit of a son kicking her making the biggest difference none of us have normative arc I did notice that there's a moment when Ian says you should know that I was actually more surprised by years and I was going to have to both in the town of the face each other may have thought that going to kiss okay but it's a face scrub and then it's a hug so we take care just gonna kiss but I actually it's going to be an expression of companionship for and you have to wait the getting together this captain's gonna happen implied time month end right yeah so did resistance to a sports analytics yeah of course they get divorced well the the passengers things I was mentioning a decision made to do something that from one perspective is really immoral things there's another person is that she seems to the science to have Honda even knowing what will happen to him without telling him she said to tell him he's often she's %HESITATION she's seems to be a few years old yeah so what you could do is just but what if she couldn't bear it anymore what is said about the two never tell them and then converting artwork but also she gets to a point where she raised this is the time it fails and shit if it fails compulsive doesn't feel premeditated it's like when they're on when she makes a phone call to the general shine it's all happening at the moment she doesn't have time to think about it X. I'm getting this flash nine of what's happening in the future in the same month time I will be dressed up I will be out this fancy date this man is going to approach me and say these things to make money to act on this this minute this is happening right now all right there's no control these moments that are eighteen months apart R. seven eight one and the same pair combines their happenings got its like the massive diagram of that had to put the language that massive thing that throw not them %HESITATION and identify some of the points for it this time and there's no %HESITATION lines there's nothing all these they can acting in the gaps in between speak to each other that's how it communicates that brought together three caps service symbols counteract immunity because they didn't seem to have any beginning around the circle but the fact that they are then given to them in the city of circle around there's no let me ask you to vote on it thank JD and passion of it and he can rotate it and move it around and show the spaces between these things because they've been projected on to that screen and I kind of three day and I as well because they're going backwards which ones that are to focus not going backwards it's a massive blow close them we're talking about it's sort of like with faith good luck with language and said that great specialization of a language that the house flow that flows out of them explained and it gathers with Syria today went the way for me to say hi on site you can actually write to someone right and then what happens that was the edges catch that's rich in black following you yeah one thing that this is a language which you seem to me to have always to see exactly after the third phase she'll sit in our communication they have to put down the knife yes it meant that again we have to rethink census in general because they also don't don't seem to have here's what they don't have what we think of the face one of the C. in different ways different ways of saving something I have my eyes shut right night but I can feel the sofa underneath mac fail the hair and the latter of certain things there's different ways of seeing if you have no natural site they might have some sort of equipment and the way that back yeah sonic things because maybe that's what signs stay silent because there may be many signs but they don't use it to communicate with a day in a way because I can perceive distance and proximity and things like that this film is totally science fiction this up is not about the logistics of what happens in the storage space when the master huge gaps in the the knowledge that because from a disco but that's the only day as academics and fairest sleepovers thank everything well we've growth of winters and detained possibility that might be inconsistencies in the testing phase but also it's not more fun to think through these problems but I thought of a loss and I think it's in there in the action if there's the designs for the aliens thanks that's really costing money ended up coming up with one more on the plate with Louise similar tenuously thinking about what to do now the base is being evacuated it seems to be a big crisis going on and she's having the premonitions of older memories of meeting general sham graphic contrast there is quite extreme because the price that whole environments for blues quite dark and hurt that old policy whatever the event is it's very orangey yellow warmth and also the way that she show she seems to be sure so if you don't control the stress he sees your shops at the bottom of the frame is just above the top of the draft making us seem completely vulnerable because you simply just naked except for a bit of jewelry and there is a lot of those from the Amy Adams looking worried as if as some sort of very different texture with you about why it is that either women more liable to experience anxiety in any situation and what the demands made of them %HESITATION hangs on his phone calls to suffer are something which we should more generally realize should be just more than we realize that women constantly suffer caused by man and this is going to do next is I'm going to look only those are things that people have because this character for the going this is just really anxious county thank his fifty third reason today but also go all these men surrounding her if you think about the races encontre RD on with colonel Weber when he turns up at her office the interesting thing is the double standards coming from head coach and then you start class and he says though they expect us to know everything in two minutes and then proceeds to play her a tiny audio except on expects her to be able to translate the language and you know she helped expand I need to be with them it's not just to buy a netting and receiving signs languages that by communicating and there's no common ground you need to be able to see each other and sense each other and all those sorts of things and he's quite aggressive and militaristic of course but saying that cases charms you're either working on this or am I here today it's not nine date time when the temperature it's shades of extraordinary rendition as well as just suddenly a helicopter outside of and that has like an ending of junction city and she's given ten minutes to pack it's always can I fifteen minutes you've got time the twenty minutes to sort myself with my my pajamas right night notes and stuff that mom's world night batch the aggressiveness the abruptness and she's like make signs very fruity and I broke but it's not really it's more man or male or masculine cultures aspects of culture or society or politics whatever they just stopped by and listen to a woman who knows what she's talking about which is quite a lot of us it would just make everything so much easier because I haven't always saying if you do that it's going to be slower no no no L. actually be faster because that'll make more sense if we take the baby steps and all of these things and of course she's right and she's an expert in her field so nobody likes listening to those she's the woman who wants to sit and listen and experience thank you bye things to work at all right where is all the better I hope we might want to start another country which is the black Ford struggling to pull commitment because we're all very familiar with the platform yes explanatory thing on that so this is the white board version what doc brown does in thank you for using what she wants in a sentence she starts to deconstruct it into its component parts yeah and then also goes we don't even know with these beings have a concept of a quick question or concept of intent and so we have to build understanding if that language so that we know whether this question even make sense to them and then we can start generating vocabulary and then we can work out the necessary grammar and then we can also register this is just going to learn what and after kind of explaining that the complexity of the system using the white board which we need more of yes I'm definitely gonna pose and have the selection will have massive so fastening high such a massive amount of information is conveyed and just a few words that make up a question what is your purpose here and everything she has to get through to get to that point even if you're just learning another verbal language having to go through those steps of being able to construct a question like that though the thing she needs to learn and to have in place to get something that in your own language you don't even have to think about the new languages our experience of learning languages which is relatively close cousins doing this and so we're learning different grounds like grandma can differ much more significant than a month and then you go up quite a fight nine which it said used different symbols so we're already dealing with that and our own borrow it's it's a fascinating question asking if a film like this what if we didn't because it's probably going to happen at some point not likely in our lifetime but some point somewhere in the future they could be contacts with other intelligent life forms and they need to be able to find something to communicate with so if we can't even understand each other yet which is sort of one of the messages of the film we have to figure out how to work together before we can deal with what's going on outside of our own world because we are so tiny there's every possibility that we are not unique at least not and this time and face because again if you think about space time there could be other worlds out there that have already been and gone that we'll never know but we haven't seen their night yet and may never date because it could be gone by the time we go out work very far in the future if this universe there will be more so there's every possibility of those things happening and after being found one world's kind communicates hi they connected inter communication elsewhere it's one of these internationalist from not just in the sense of having a narrative which requires characters to overcome the immaturity that this national socialist nationalist in the sense that there's no sense of tribalism amongst the agency admins are you nineteen by being part of the country but maybe they've had a journey to get there you know there's all these different places of Cohen with safety on the film there was a bit but I really didn't notice instead of a house or a second number that seems the most which is the possible setup for a sequel because the same three thousand years will need your help thank you need to start knowing our language nyfix we're really gonna need you but the thing is maybe he should %HESITATION fine dark why because what if there's a bug make just weaponized he but I'm paranoid so far I'm going to go with that but they give the gift of on walking this language that unlocks time itself and I don't know if that's a good thing because humans comes even cope with hi we experience time as it is I like the human brain because we're developed but we're under developed most of water brand is potentially capable of we have not accessed yet maybe at three thirteen years without doesn't seem like very long for the printer of all thought much I was explaining to her one of my spring everything at that point is that our brains are up specialism survival mechanism which is equivalent to wings on the clothes on lines and we pay a hefty price for that in quite high infant mortality because getting heads out of people this off that's the direction in which we've managed a species but it's buying up against logistical limits hi Kim how big a baby's head can be and still be just dated inside another post yeah has just gone and then there's the fact that they're so under developed and they do come right because so many other species in our many of our fellow my most of my parents and able to walk I want to pull the camera out of an account it's quite a tricky business because it was a breech birth and that cough was able to work within about ten minutes it was which taught us that goes to the technician never for eighteen years %HESITATION right well I suppose on this the film does bring in these known terrestrial intelligent beings which is clearly quite physically superior to the humans as well they're not just technologically advanced than much bigger tower of humans yeah but I think you're going to need to humans have been three size in years to come bail out Fannie today it's like also maybe they just need some comedy August was one one of one of them but for a light in the system as a promised future of high speed technological advancement and international corporation the story space because the humans I've got a lot of information dumped on that map and I'm going to have to revolutionize your universe however it's not gonna happen fast enough for a cure for this free event is the six active things covered in yarn to say there is a sense of stuff takes time there is in no shape to the development of knowledge just honest idea of them being given gaffes S. is gifted the technology just thanks again because we've very often talk about religion because we're not fans of that particular date there's an interesting thing going on here about gifts descending from above but these are one thing you can say they have evidence they have applications in the real world within the world of the film and is there some sort of tension and with religious beliefs of a day at a hearing on the same day a day that and so it gets to the chosen few believers flies this is like well you can't deny it because it happens well I was watching a documentary about it was in nineteen seventy seven documentaries presenting made for TV about Star Wars fans will expect and when it does the cause was explaining that what he did with the force was just took over the ginseng you often just boil them down to what might make them all and he seems to be making the score coming plain old agents are basically just Hoff clips is of a large trees the documentation from Star Wars where if one of the few commands on the death star says twenty five mins ago sorcerer's ways would fade your satisfaction to the ancient religion hasn't helped you conjure up the stolen data types of giving you clairvoyance enough to service the location of the rebels for this is one of those instances when it's clearly a religion and then there's a moment where the partition of the religion goes you don't believe in this I'll just do some magic and I'll show you that this is the thing and that you should believe in arrival it seems to be in favor of a limited disclosure model about what these aliens to this top end chips they are trying to put different peoples around the world but only a very small select number of people get thrown in track with the aliens is thought to have Samantha for for kind of god's chosen people for my life but maybe just religious leaders because the people and the experts with fifty six fifth mathematicians if it's alluding to anything about religion what it's doing is it's kind if there's something observable about this the people to go and study it other ones you've been spending their entire lives studying natural phenomena and they can go and drive an understanding of it rather than a mystification of it and they can demonstrate the truth of what I've observed two other people rather than just insisting other people have faith in it there was that one specific reference to illegal and the occult and decided that this was the day of judgment and they killed themselves the film I think shares of you about what the situation was tentative and the vein system believing on and things and by the end of their remaining themselves so this life that was when the new rating principal of the phone so you have some is very prone to it and it did this thing which comes up in discussions about religion which is that when it's someone who is a believer up against somebody who's not the believable often goes well as far as your consent your view of the universe is totally deterministic therefore there's no point in us even having this conversation because you open a suggested time and by the way you face and my laces have anyway I fit so it might as well listen I have this is kind of mutually disarming news and of course what this process is being faced with a deterministic universe is not necessarily a daunting thing we may find it daunting because he used to thinking of ourselves as magic as having cells and therefore there's a ghost in the machine whose undetermined but if we showed that thinking and understanding of what the universe is actually like and standing for monster energy actually do even if they completed seven mystic is in itself rewarding enough to make it worth living a totally deterministic bar and also those deterministic lives are tremendously complicated as well answer the predictability to anybody who doesn't have this particular seemingly psychic ability that Louise banks has is indistinguishable from non predictability yes well I actually think three what determinism and parties and what might be the worst instance of it what it might be you could predict in advance that you were going to have a child is going to die what would you do in that situation and I think banks towards the end she specifically asks if Yasser Donna she says if you could see your whole life from start to finish would you change things and he doesn't answer well he says I probably speak my feelings more yes I said yes the system quite personal yeah I think that's not exactly what she meant that that was something I was going to raise his file as that completion of the personal with the mouth of the micro and the macro of one and the same deal if he asked his character response what's the biggest thing that's ever happened in our life was the most significant events of her life would it be the very existence of her daughter having lived told board widget page that she met the salience and cracked their language to her what if those are one and the same because they are trying they're related to each other the firm has her realized most of these things about her future exactly the same time and I think it is one of those days thanks to him we need this kind of had to suddenly be able to speak the same language so let's just have her have disabilities clicks into place just imagine that moment in the future when she will have written a book about the and she learned some radiating around to continue this web of its texture of the fancy inspects bowls general it was a terrible Sanders colonel Sanders has are you saying Sanders says bringing the videotape of space both so they can see what's happening simultaneously and at different things repose and have a slightly less for schools question inspired by this phone okay let's take a course in the bank's office says if you can see your whole life from start to finish would you change things L. I was thinking of it is actually the case kind of thing she knows who would often say well if somebody have told me that three years time this would be your life would you believe that so it's a similar spot somebody like me he's had probably very difficult life for the first twenty thirty years it's been a real struggle many times to somebody Hey had a lot of deaths of people close to them at young ages and then paste twenty three just a blur of abusive relationships not necessarily only romantic ones but also with institutions and other kinds of individuals in your life as well that kind of thing and doing a PhD far too young and the pressures of being a working class person taking a page taken if anybody had told me that this is what you're going to have to go three and academia before you realise stops not what you should be dating and not because you're not smart enough because it's not working your two principles you don't fats because it doesn't fit that's the problem ninety eight the system is broken so all the things you have to go through to get to the point of being in them both being at a much happier place which day is not the point where I'm not at the moment and my thirty third baseman clinging on the thirty third eighth at the moment you're just clinging on the thirty eighth I think I think and maybe that's why I'm not because I don't know the future and I don't know what the answer could be so in forty years time if I'm still kicking around and somebody asks me this again the answer could be entirely different but if I was asked if he knew me when you were little what you're going to have to go through to get to this point when you're thirty three and things actually relatively calm and happy and it's not perfect but the happiest you live probably being your whole life which chair I need to think well okay maybe a lot of those other things were worth seven what if your experiences and up helping other people what if you have to go through the trials because you're gonna end up happening experience to help somebody else and get them three something quicker or give them the support they need later on it's not just about used to lift the weights it's not just about her and it's not just about her having a baby because she selfishly what spring a child can happen many her in the wearables this child needs to be in the world because that child is part of the connection that gives the answer to the pace and development and advancement to the human race may help this other race long in the future long after they're all gone he did just struck me that there might be a an abortion narrative and and that the phone might be saying if you could put one of things that happens with a twelve week scan is early nursing of sons of down syndrome and that's the scam which is the main source of information about actually quite a large variety of possible read motives to have an abortion now is the film going Hey look at this very brave woman she knew for faith concede that that person interceptors were grown without attending %HESITATION and she decided to keep that fetus Hey isn't cheap right maybe that's what's going on I think it's a good point that's all it's likely to get pregnant in the first place if you know it's going to happen but there's a bigger issue going on because she knows that it's related to this author massive saying that she needs to and it's already how happens it's already in the works again it's her experience of times has transformed because she can only tell you what she does in the past by knowing what she's done in the future maybe is this provocative fatter usefulness to the narrative has to go via her uterus thank you talk to me yeah I know it is troubling and again it's sort of frustrating like why couldn't she have been the last man why couldn't she have Spain a disabled person like a woman he can't can say why couldn't she have been a trans person has other things going on X. any number of things like it's sort of still out kind of white heteronormative space center very middle class the filename block Islamic can afford she sort of high said she loves them there's a whole book three written on the representation of academics in fiction even if the heist was inherited or something that's not coming up playing in that space that she lives on our own she and %HESITATION invokes mentioned being single and it seems like it's a long term thing with both of them she lives in a remote place should be picks everywhere I'm reading I think it was only about something on Carfax dot com a few years back then it was about how if you just take a sample of five randomly selected American films which contain characters who don't drive every single one of those films would associate the fact that the county doesn't drive in some sort of character deficiency and the architect for this is the fifty year old virgin he doesn't drive you just has a part of the film associates him being a virgin she seeing a prompt and thorough yeah just in the US because this is our driving culture there the principal is in your system %HESITATION if you don't drive there's something wrong with it I don't think it's something quite similar guys vegetarianism and US services anyway so we can do something very similar with academics and U. S. films the only single only able to communicate with other academics and capable of realizing that the students humans %HESITATION they always have three D. tidy offices and homes and many banks spacious homes and drank out of proper wine but what we do resisting once %HESITATION the board made an especially in the United States academics are paying off their debts for your Teleflex I mean independently wealthy wine connoisseur is incapable of forming relationships with other humans except for I think that number eight fans mostly white flight from these guys there's a book governor right after the end of mine I had written notes but highly to save each other with language so there's a crisis talk and then use broadcasts but also kind of a story which is really nice they downtown Calgary police tells Tory said it could character the story about eight people arrive and then coming cooks gotten cation curation involved with become a strange idea and what's that kind of race and then sort of breakdown of language that actually advance our generators you have to know what you're saying and then that's it may be an example if I academic thank you but I don't know if a lot of the search about fleet category quick thinking maybe that was an example she uses the students this is how you can tell a story and suggested automatically be placed because it's perceivable that that could be traced I think the structure which implies there is genuine is that it describes a misunderstanding and submits the hero to go online design to make those misunderstandings I understood the two positions I have not been deceived and to get someone to go I have nothing to say it was a perfect way of getting them to accept the description for the benefit of anyone who listens to this and you might need to define slick it all right well it means quite sly or sneaky it's an all star scoffs words if somebody's being fleet gets very being quite crafty clever maybe a bit under hound you with and should bring it up dialects some words and a dialect or talking about language this thing which we can let go completely under the radar we're talking about science fiction you know we are another thing is that instantiate five undiscovered country with a meeting with the colonels and there's somebody quotes from there said today I one thing on says you haven't really appreciated it until you've had in the original plan on twice then language named after this species yeah because our language is not that's in a rival the language they just call it have to park in front of that piece of music that really contentious stick one it's cool to have to put they referred to this logo grams of the types of symbols and both of them the book is go to compounds and second one is I have to put mine but that's again our way of understanding the author listen to this one we don't know what language and nationality street will say something like if I said I'm going to Nigeria I didn't know about the the for language learning languages that spoken in Nigeria and that none of them are called Nigeria I might say something like I was in the hospital because I just assume that because in general languages correspond to the designations people groups hopefully in that instance the language spoken in that area by that group of people is the same name as the enemy but is in no way thank you Watson on call Monday and the person says %HESITATION that's really hard to know how to speak American M. as an English person in the room when Phil Maton Hari considering to take because it's the second Mike and mark them another thing it just retain their night at we're talking about that discussion about you if you knew that your child would die I was thinking about it %HESITATION but we're close to home because we can't remember which one dies and the other one says thing is staff process I'm not so sure may think thing it's so clinical when it comes on the screen and the subtitled but with amazing way of saying that somebody thought and saying is staff pro sass so we don't know what stage of death that this being it sounds you know you don't know what their death is one death means to them is that the extinction of life what does it mean to be dead and not speak if they're trying to give a sense of these translations are always in perfect transaction is best for us because they're they're trying to get the is the dying isn't something that you do yes it's something that happens to you it's a process that your body becomes so a happening who are born we begin to die everything that's a life as in death process there's just something about that the firm that beautifully it's a beautiful use of the English language that isn't quite English also remember it from a certain channels it was %HESITATION quite memorable what I remembered was eased in death process where is this is more this role is that he's in this process is the person the only fell and the language because that's how we would say it but it's not even high another person learning English might say it they might say something similar to this I think we've probably maxed out on %HESITATION everything's connected because this is coming to your current experience with helping to teach yeah I was just thinking that but also as somebody who's been glacially slow late and ironing Spanish with the termination of a place here as well you know and stuff and I think the issue of why it's so slow in fact I am doing it alone with podcasts and using and a nap many are available which means I can read it and it's got these technologies voices saying generic Latin American Spanish out me so I'm not getting the Spanish foundation using podcasts the only thing preventing any other languages right person because actually we were talking about yesterday so I've recently started to volunteer with Aktion language charity based in Newcastle upon Tyne and they J. crazy English language classes for mostly refugees and asylum seekers and also there are people there he's spices have got work in the U. K. and they're learning the language from scratch there's a multitude of reasons but if the M. check verification asylum seekers because not only can you know if you have a good access of the language he also if you're in that position you need to be able to tell your story need to build the talent while so it's about giving people the tools to communicate for themselves and part of them and be able to tell their own story in their own words as far as I can get the words but we were talking about it they say it and she just today is that hi to actually shoot someone hi can make signs because their signs and all of our lines which is that many of us can't make and the instructor at the training session for us is the teaching assistants refusing Spanish as an example the first example she gave was something I am really struggling with and that's the double car signs I cannot take it I can hear descriptions of what it's like in the podcast say listen tape and I'm hearing all the time when I'm doing these things but I cannot make that signs when everyone's trying to take it to a child how to make a sound there we go a first of them open their mouth and I'll do a big punch to my make this is me making the sound C. need to start doing things like that lots of snow I'm thirsty it's on Thursday you know we'll do like being accentuated versions show them with him I said talking quite a lot of that today and actually hear me as she says has diagrams of a lot of the things like what your tongues you've just got very excited about the diagram for these dates back well over a century in the home please the systems of notation based on what each of the parts of your speech system doing anyone time sometimes but double %HESITATION extension and a bit frustrating because podcasts I listen tape are done by Scottish people so of course second day at park where is the rest is in the U. K. the phone struggled with that phone how do you do that I kind of make that noise no matter how much I try the court yesterday the example is that is a perfect one because there's a battle between spots and there's payroll which is dog and I can I don't save it our hello yeah you can do yeah I can't say it but it was really interesting because one issue that came up with ours specifically is that there are many people who are native speakers of English we cannot pronounce our signs anyway and they say it more like a W. E. and your youngest child as an example Hey somebody he says why is that instead of driver and then there's a very soft our signs so I'm noted are showing I say error he has not H. signs instead of an ER fans these are the complexities and a tiny part of one human language the things that has found the dating my third pretty phenomenal of course were familiar with French speaking people struggling with the T. H. exactly somebody give example today that and Spanish Spanish I T. it shined issues for C. and says and a lot of letter combinations it is always a self with those of the yeah it is also true it's similar to teach sign it's hardly understand earning it but the other lot of Spanish speakers Hey struggle with a lot harder T. H. signed agreement getting great she's really enlightening tenets fastening is out to work with people he turned off you saying real men type feel a sign which is our power back for oriental Asian languages Spanish Chinese and Japanese people in the class we use different symbols for the science of words and it's not like the symbols that we use for the noise that we make and she uniformly corresponds to those notices about as many exceptions there are facts that was a whole other discussion at today's file second gracious no fanatic the Spanish is largely fanatic so you call the ferries complications so how do you then deal with a totally different way of communicating trump right side of your world his death process I think there's something poetic bike that's because it's in perfect English box at means so much as well that's probably most things that we've wanted to say right Sir maybe what we should resume his new thing to these recordings and we should establish what we can look at next I don't think it works like that because this is on plans so I'm happy because I don't know what order these are going to come right in for the record then next time we're gonna be doing it spontaneously as we did it this time the idea is that I'll mix it up if this becomes a podcast it's not just gonna be pollen Andre have a chat by phone that's just what it's going to be different things moving along there is an audience for this there isn't already two thousand part costs which is basically sending the lakes or it's maybe just maybe doing some sun and there's going to be times when because I'm in the chops with Sandra about things SO I also I might use some of those it's like that sometimes mark his without Simon and sons yeah that's what you're suggesting that's just through the Senate cribbage I thank that signed and did it but I mark ands nearly a divorce because the conclusion was that Sanjiv %HESITATION sandy van dam's or Sanjiv way throughout B. or L. Marty has done a few times Edith Bowman doesn't sometimes silly ball you step Vikas filaments great expiry payment channel beta because it goes all Scottish last time eight eight today at least with Clarisse Loughrey she's quite any person she's done it twice nine and she's very young %HESITATION after suffering or twenty since she does very well she holds her own you can switch the two of them for two other people yeah it is nice to have two women finally and that very long life of Bob show distinguishes it was pretty craft actually at risk by twenty minutes shorter than it usually is and it was incredibly informative and it was very good show then I hate to say this but briefly it would not have been with the tenant but they'll put your baby to sleep later a bath spa it's just a more economical but you see that ensures the nitro's with mark Sanders along party because people send them stuff hello Sam Mike okay for this week and I signed she person and this %HESITATION music person and I've not together if this electronic track purity on mark's noises we get let's face the music it's me it's just from mark because he does tend to go in some instances there were monsters well he tries not to make his noises because he's not allowed to make them homes H. I. symptomatic monorail from per market none of that goes and by the way I know this because in the final I think all American funds and I have lost one because I was just wondering on a flight to Malaysia mankind he needs anymore if I don't know just what's on the record I want to propose that next time please another time you wanna watch faith I never I never will and I would only do a completely different flavor of recording where will have just watched something which is your unadulterated Jesus and through this let fly and see what happens she's gonna make me right now what is such is life for everyone if we penetrate it wouldn't go away so were established because my new tech when some friends causing them to do a lot of recent films on the new module until next year I've got a lot of what you've been programmed across the summer this is a summary yeah on the back of the modem in my house the thing is is that I just sort of want to go into MST three K. modes I just wonder if in the whole time well I throw things out from left to right if you have seen the passion of the Christ we could just stop that yeah I've never seen that could do this then I have to compromise and sometimes causes to rectify Mel Gibson and I do not want to give that guy a platform because there's a tension here between dealing with cultural productions doing with culture products and analytical way but I also feel very strongly about each privileging Rosie of being under probation and terms of representation like I'd rather walk she felt a hundred times and go ship by thought found then watch anything today with Mel Gibson after games and I'm not I was a massive they still haven't found so it's difficult for me to sign you like cinnamon and pain I like it doesn't exist like kids children back and making a return to if anybody is in between yeah right all right well let's not watch a mention from then that's what's going on which ones they are taking it I mean maybe it's going to be what family guy predicted will be like the action movie version summary Chris %HESITATION I always to try to set a date for a nineteen eighty seven from cool cool over transferred over from and it was a film produced by production company called worldwide productions which was founded by Billy Graham in the nineteen fifties just yeah and it responded to the faith so my and it's still making films not just I could tell from the trailer just before for the activist sorry go ahead never heard of a loss of faith since coming out the note as a willful in a way that the active which is going to this is Christian from making industry in the US that is getting its shit together %HESITATION phone enforcing the problem with that and as he give it credence by giving a platform and give them money by having to purchase films I think there's a good reason for giving somebody a platform in order to show that they have a seventy five percent sense of fun events and immoral as always it's completely filtered through us describing it with any electoral backlash of everybody's entitled to their opinion yeah just as we are entitled to point out that their opinion is based on mistakes and increase your moral prescriptions and that's just as they're about to do about anything we might say should happen due to mistakes and %HESITATION your preferred send me a bike fitting that are there as of our faith but then you have the confidence of the middle class white man %HESITATION yes there isn't hardly in my penis it's like you know a bit and sexuality so that bit in the second Austin powers film when it's frozen somebody drills through the ice and remains his merger and it's actually like in a variety of funky liquid that looks like a lot of a lot of the same thing my confidence is stored within their gentleman if you find this episode informative useful or even enjoyable please share it and subscribe to the podcast so you never miss new installments many thanks to those V. day the podcast is free and I work freelance if you can help financially with a regular payment to Petri on dot com forward slash P. 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