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hello and welcome to audiovisual cultures with me paula blair i’m really super excited to be joined this time by artist johanna leech who is going to talk about the amabie project that she’s been working on and curating throughout the lock time period in 2020 and it’s hopefully going to culminate in an exhibition but it’s all online and you can see it on instagram so i’m going to let her explain more about it because she’ll explain that a lot more articulately than i can um huge huge thanks to our members over at patreon.com forward slash av cultures for all your really valued supports if you are interested in joining and there are three tiers of membership at the moment there’s to pay what you can which is one pound one dollar one year or whatever um and that’s that’s going to get you access a bit early to the new episodes that come out you’ll get to hear it a day before everybody else and then there are a couple of other memberships there’s a behind-the-scenes membership and a star supporter which will get your producer credit on any future stuff so do take a look through those if you’re able to help out and for other ways to support uh and just help out the podcast do listen right to the end and i’ll give you some other ways that don’t involve a membership um but do make sure you subscribe you hit that button just so that you never miss a new episode and i’ll help us out as well so this one was a lot of fun to record uh joanna is a it’s a very very good friend of mine and i’m really proud of all of her work it’s a really visual episode as well so if you’re listening to the audio only i have put the link to the video in the show notes and do make sure you go and see that um because um uh joanna actually shows us through quite a lot of the work that all of the artists involved have been creating and shows us through the instagram so if you’re able to see that i’d really highly recommend it so enjoy very much and i will see you on the other side

so i am super excited to be joined by my longest serving friend and artist joanna leach hello joanna hello how are we finding you today not too bad thanks just in limbo like the rest of us i think so trying to continue on at least try and do something productive excellent yes we’re gonna talk a bit about your productivity and what you’re keeping busy with and if it’s okay can i just ask you to explain to everybody a bit about your background i mean um i mean we first bonded over our mutual love of dinosaurs and i think that’s something that’s held us very close together all of these many very long years yes definitely and it’s in my artwork you know fascinating sinclair uh dinosaurs from the world’s fair absolutely um so would you kindly just talk us through a little bit of your own arts practice and then we’re going to talk about the really big project that you’ve been working on more recently sure so i’m a visual artist based in belfast and i also work as a program manager for a local cinema and arts center so sometimes a lot of those influences working quite um across lots of different art practices and arts fields and work can bleed into my practice a little bit um so instead of kind of having a sketchbook or kind of doing lots of drawings like every day like most artists would or quite frequently my thing was to collect objects collect stories and um making notes and taking photographs so you know like if you look at my iphone now there’s like 20 000 photographs that i’m kind of constantly referring back to so that that’s my sketchbook so it kind of gives you an idea of what kind of way i sort things in my head i’m also dyslexic so it just means that a lot of the time maybe written format isn’t as easy for me and the visual stands out really clearly because of that so it just means then i can have this amalgamation kind of like my work is almost like a little museum of its own you know you could have a look at my exhibition and there could be stuff that could be historical that i find something interesting there could be local lore and legend um or there could be just an experience or a place that i’ve been to so the working kind of become things where it’s maybe like more social practice where i’m maybe using the objects in a way to perform to an audience where like the object is shown in a way where it tells a story or it itself is quite humorous and you kind of look at it and it gives you a chuckle you know like i always like the work to be familiar to the audience and very much um kind of open for everyone to interpret um so my recent exhibition would have had things like a neon sign that said guns and gold and kind of like a really um particular lovely um neon golden color and that was a replica of one that i’d seen in america and just that ideas of those two words together um is it’s quite interesting and then i had wall drawings including wonderful dinosaur um and then i had stories about the dinosaurs that i’ve done work with and collected from all around the world so i had kind of display tables which had objects as well as stories all displayed together so it’s kind of it takes you on a journey and that’s kind of always say to people like i’m explore um showing you my discoveries essentially and then there was other things like photographs from kind of um attractions or places from around america so that that work kind of stands alone quite well just as a photography as a photograph um but um and then i’ll do sometimes just really kind of scale back drawings so it just it just really depends brilliant yeah and this has a really close connection with the current project that you’re working on so you’re curating this group of work of all kinds it’s it’s cross media and it’s artists working in all different modes and from different backgrounds and all sorts of things so um can you tell us a bit about the amma bay project please yeah so amabe is a japanese yukai and ukai is kind of like a mythical kind of magical creature within japanese mythology and this particular character would come out whenever there was sign of a pandemic or else maybe something to do with um crops and um different times where you know people would have worries about things they could look towards the emma bay for um some comfort so you know she’s a mermaid character and she kind of comes out of the sea and is very kind of mystical and i was just kind of really interested in that with the internet kind of in the era that we’re in now this character made a resurgence kind of through the start of the lockdown and it just meant that there was a lot of people kind of posting pictures of her or a lot of japanese people like taking a bit of solace you know to actually do a little drawing over or stick a little picture up of her in a window and with everything that was elsa it was happening throughout the internet and in the uk we kind of had all the kind of things so like help the nhs and the rainbow kind of became this icon of camaraderie and hope for a lot of people and that came from kids in america he just did it one time and you know then people started to kind of replicate that and it kind of spread like a virus but uh a very positive one and amabe was kind of doing a bit of that it was um kind of trading on kind of um if you kind of had like hashtag a mabe challenge and when i saw that i kind of thought oh you know but what i’m really interested in is i had been to japan last year and um i have connections through flex art studios where i’m based with a really cool art space called arts ongoing which is in tokyo and i kind of met those guys and i kind of always kind of thought oh you know what like what would i do if i went over and did a japanese residency so at this time where you know there’s pandemic i can’t go to japan as much as i would love to and looking at those connections and just i think the event manager in my head of kind of going what can i do you know i can’t go into the studio and you know it’s a really hard time to feel inspired how can i reach out and make that connection between that kind of sense of this viral connection but also bringing it back to artists practices but then looking at the connection between japan and belfast and especially because of flax art studio so they’ve been running for a number of years in exchange and one of the main artists who’s a really good friend of mine um shiro masayama um he is the only northern ireland artist based in japan and i was like me and him were like sharing each other like pictures of a mabe and being like oh you know we should get everyone in flax to make an imabe and then we’re like but why should i be kind of making that quite narrow so we owned it out because we wanted to share it with three artists arts ongoing and various other things like shearer would have a lot of connections um just you know to see if artists in general who are based in japan and uh the isle of ireland um or someone you know who’s still kind of connected to ireland are still connected to japan um what would they do and to kind of make it initially like an instagram that could become an exhibition so it was just to see like what would happen so i think it was something that kind of came up between me and sharon were like hey wouldn’t this be fun to do that and they kind of grew from there

and so um with the irish connection is there was there another mythical form from from irish mythology that you were looking at as well or was it just the mlp

well originally um i was talking to um close friend um martin boyle um and martin was kind of my sounding board and very thankfully and just about the right up and like how i was going to do the call-out and what he was interested in and what i kind of thought was it’d be nice to give people that option if they don’t want to do a mabe so whenever we did the call-out we kind of had it that it was if you could create a mythical creature to protect you what would it be and surprisingly a lot of people just did do your marble and that that’s cool too i mean she’s so beautiful and of course i did one of her but um i did like that idea of looking at art mythology and it just meant then if there was japanese artists who were like you know mommy’s quite a normal thing for them they could choose to do something different or an irish artist who feels very strongly with that now we didn’t get as many kind of ones that are quite irish-based we did also get one that was a beaver which i thought was really cool because um that person was just kind of had their own reason of thinking why he could be a quite an iconic character so it is it is mainly a mob but i think whenever we’re displaying that in the gallery you know it can maybe have a couple of different zones it was originally inspired by the irish connections of saint brigid and it was like the first of february and it was kind of the start of spring and how people would kind of um make woven um crosses that you would hang up on your door and there’s these kind of ceremonies called biddy boys and it was basically like you made like an effigy like this female character who sometimes was dressed in your grandmother’s clothes and again it’s this idea of bringing forth a good harvest and and hoping for the best which a mabe does as well and and i was just like when you look at the documentation of you’re like what’s so bizarre and then it brings in connections with mummers and the idea of going door-to-door connecting with your community and making these kind of woven hats and things they’d have on so there’s one of the pieces is me wearing a mummer’s hat and you know i think that could maybe be a bit of a project on its own and i think mabi kind of took over because i think a lot of artists were making work from home and it was probably a bit easier to do that so i definitely think that that could grow in a different way but there’s only maybe a few that are kind of included within that okay great it’s really fascinating and stuff so um so shall we should we take a look at some specific examples of this and the the really wide range of approaches that all of the artists took because you’ve got animators you’ve got people working in sculpture in different ways you’ve got people here illustrators and comic creators and all sorts of people so um shall we have a quick look at some of the examples sure we definitely had a you know a wide range of people but i think i’ll maybe just start off with the original image that is mainly known about a map so this is one that would have been like kind of in the local um news and kind of documented before so i’ll just share my screen here so you can see

um so you can see this here um which is just a really beautiful image and you can see kind of the three legs coming from the sea a beautiful man of hair and um i just thought this is a really good starting point because it’s it’s also that flexibility that people can can change her into anything that she wants to be so i’ve got the instagram here which is kind of the format of showing it visually online so we have um submission from different artists to despite 25 artists including two young people that have been included and i like that because you know it’s the fact that you’re in lockdown and your children are there so i really kind of like that one of the artists is like oh you know can i include my child’s one or you know someone was actually collaborating with her niece which was really nice so um as you can see this is just a really quick thing and this is just you know like uh shiro playing around with a new app that he’s brought together but it just it just worked so well and it’s that kind of again embracing the kind of online kind of quality of that so just for the audio can we just describe what was happening there sorry um

okay so with shiro’s um video he’s using this app and um can i turn the music on or would that i think yeah you should let’s try

so um he’s just made a little drawing of an amabe which kind of pops up in this app and then it kind of comes and scuttles around the floor so it kind of like moves around on the table which is just really sweet and then um we had some more stuff that was a bit more obscure so this one here i really like because there’s kind of a description here this is by chris watt and he kind of just looks at this idea of um stories of contorted human forms or similar kind of rock faces and the natural forces and the ancient humans and bones and you know um that one there i just thought was just really nice and quite unique um some quite a skeletal image that we’re seeing and um so it says he came up with a concept for the painting after visiting melon head on the very north coast of ireland so um yeah so there’s just this skeletal form that’s it’s almost like it’s embedded in the rocks it’s against the rock faces in a bit of a kind of fetal position yeah there’s a triangle protrading from an eye that kind of an obscure kind of um things in the foreground and kind of makes it quite dream like um really kind of bright neon colors and along with this really kind of strong blue blue and white for the skeleton’s body itself which is really nice um i will just see i could go on and talk about every single one let’s just have we scroll so you can see just like some of them against each other so um this is another japanese artist um which is absolutely gorgeous um sitting on buildings on fire almost yeah so emily um she’s actually just studying um at the moment and she’s studying in london but she’s japanese and she had a couple of versions there’s a couple of versions of this one um this is a collaboration with grace mcmurray and her uh five-year-old niece oh the embroidery little embroidery which kind of has a mermaid she’s got wings um and just like a couple of sequences i like as well it’s like just you know like weak cuts of purple and and blue so paula thought you’d enjoy a bit of embroidery so just really simple one um clinton patrick and again his one is more that kind of unseen unknown character because when you talk about the japanese uk sometimes they’re literally an inanimate object sometimes they can look almost human and sometimes it can be quite bizarre so i like that his was much more free in the way that was represented here we have an artist who bid on ebay for um something that was supposed to be made from a mabby’s hair right it was a brush on the internet so his kind of piece is um and he ordered it here it is in his home and he had done a residency in flax recently so he was over in belfast so it was just really nice to kind of have people’s work so um that was that one in particular was cool like you said about graphic artists yeah i have some graphic artists in here so we’ve got vanilla doran and we have um grace farley and then i think there was and molly henry in particular this kind of one too hmm as you can see you know there’s a real mixture of things um tomohiro tomahiro to also been to flax on a residency t and it’s weird because now that i’ve been in japan i’ve seen these kind of you know this is just outside a shop somewhere but i just love as well that it’s got it’s got the mask on so this is kind of like an everyday image someone who could have stumbled across this kind of um amazing kind of sculpture and then it being put with like there’s a kind of scroll to my bed it almost looks spry painted but obviously done on photoshop or something beside it so it just supposed in the tools i think is is really interesting definitely love these little guys with their masks so it is a real mixture of things so sometimes people made things in their homes some of them have done ink drawings or used like found objects like davies here um using hair um this is the image that i had mentioned before myself the kind of bummer hat on um so there’s kind of two in the series and i had actually taken these quite a while ago back in the america or back in the folk park i think it’s the one in belfast yeah so um is that the ulster folk and john smart museum yeah no one’s else’s [ __ ] transport museum so you can go there and there are often weavers i’ll kind of show you that and then if you want to look up mummers there is um different mummers groups from around think the main ones are in antrim and they still perform wedding ceremonies and do different things when i worked for um belfast photo festival a few years ago as a director we actually had an exhibition um by jim mcginn he actually went around and documented mummers over the years and looked at folklore but also looked at the traditional music he was very interested in traditional music so he has a lot of work that’s to do with those so i think that probably had placed it in my head originally um just looking at that um and then one little miniature performance um

this is just done over zoom oh actually we do have sign for this one let’s let’s try it again

so this and another worker kind of a gif so um what you have here is um she need brennan casuals doing a live performance on zoom to me and she has put in the background um like there’s a big kind of um mummified fish in the ulster museum so it’s in the background and you’ve got the ulster museum itself so she’s put on kind of like a sequined top um a nice long wig and has like a duck bake so she’s kind of wiggling around kind of as if she’s looking at herself you know um which i think is really sweet it’s kind of like just reminds me of the internet it’s like a weird kind of tick tock but an artistic tick tock or something um just really simple um which is nice so um and then we have some ceramic pieces like chris’s um here and then the more irish one um jim rick’s was one of the first ones but this was the kind of ones i was hoping for this kind of amalgamation of irishness as well and so he’s kind of muggy mutant various um kind of characters um and jim ricks is a he’s an irish um oh forgotten the name

he lives in america but he’s an irish i wrote this down didn’t i yeah he’s an irish conceptual artist so um yeah so that’s kind of examples i haven’t got all of the work up and the last one i’ll show you is my piece apart from so i have the irish piece which is the two photographs together and then this one is a drawing that i made and it was just that kind of like cathartic drawing and because i i like tracing things and drawing them over and over again and getting them really simplified but then whenever it’s locked down and you have to like stick it to your window it’s like coming through you know trying to draw it i kind of like that lockdown process i had because then you’ll have people here who yeah maybe you can’t go out and and make things i was surprised we did get as many ceramic things as possible so some of the artists might have changed to video pieces and we also have fantastic one um by amy mcgee and she has and i’m going to use it as the opening piece for when you go into the exhibition and it’s a video piece and she’s made puppets and she tells you dma by story and it’s just absolutely stunning wow really nice so i’ll hope by the date where we do hopefully show it i will have all of them online at the moment that’s just most of them and we also have um this have a video of how to make your own amabe by a japanese artist azuri um and that it’s about 15 minutes long so we have to just kind of uh link over to that and so he makes a little paper and a where the little bake is kind of in the paper and you can make her talk say whatever you like okay so you can see like it’s already such a wide range of work and there’s still more to come yes so you mentioned um a hopeful exhibition as do you have any more detail on that at the moment or um what do you know what can you tell us sure so um pollen studios uh based in belfast um had offered to do the exhibition with us so and um quite a few of the pollen artists all submitted as well so um they’ve been really tight knit with us on the project and with current lockdown methods there are some galleries are currently open at the moment but maybe some of the larger um organizations like the mac and the golden thread gallery and for pollen then um people will probably do it by appointment we’ll have an opening hopefully november 5th which is usually like a late night art where people come out um and we have we’ll have all the safety measures in place and you can basically book like an appointment to come along so i’ll probably put you know some weekend dates in and an evening each week that people can come along throughout november fingers crossed and um if it does get put back because naturally that’s what’s happening at the moment you know it’s kind of part of the project yeah in a way because the project was made during lockdown and it means that if you have to book in for an appointment see it it’s almost becoming a performance you know you’re becoming part of the exhibition by able by being able to come along and of course then with people who especially aren’t able to uh for health and safety purposes and things come out i will have the instagram up and i’ll maybe kind of do a bit more of like um an exhibition online and kind of look at that just for kind of access to make sure and especially for the japanese artists as well that they can kind of see all the work together and for my previous shows i always kind of shoot a video where i can talk through things and just means then that people who can come can still feel connected to it and um do you think you’ll have a lot of the physical works there or will it be you know because there’s quite a lot of sculpture for example um so would it be photographs of those or will the actual workspace and do you think to show so i’ve contacted each of the artists and kind of just had a chat with them and as well like i’m kind of self-funding this and i don’t have any funding for it but obviously i’ve been supported by the arts council for years so i don’t mind you know contributing some especially my own time but also some resources so i have a small budget for kind of contempo temporary prints um for some things and then a lot of the local artists i’m able to kind of go and collect the work but i just kind of ask the artist you know what way they want it shown because some of the video works obviously will go on screens and which particular one the beaver that i mentioned um which is lovely um it’s a gif and i think it would look really nice on on a tablet or on a phone so it’s kind of displayed in the way it was meant to be viewed but yes especially as japanese artists obviously i give them the opportunity if they want to post it they can post it over and i’ll return it but you know we don’t have unfortunately enough budget to kind of get that over um but we’ll be able to reprint some of those so especially like a zoo um which isn’t a zoo and the work that had the um amabe hair object don’t want to lose that on getting it posted over so um i think a print of the two beside each other so like the internet um image of it being sold and then the image of it in the house i think together would look really nice so um actually we will have quite a lot of the artists um are up for having the drawings or the ceramics physically there and then the rest of the stuff then we’ll kind of print um maybe in like a temporary manner or i thought about have mine displayed on the window because i’ve i do often have window drawings so i think it would work really well as a window drawing as well so you know the work will change a bit in the space too

and then i suppose you it must be a factor now you have to figure out how many people you can have in a space and how far apart your things you know that sort of stuff has to maybe be considered now as well in poland’s not a huge space so that’s quite complicated yeah i think it’s kind of um well then again in the millennium court art center that i went to recently it was like one bubble per half an hour so and then it would be frequent cleaning and things like that but because i’m coming from a venue i’m already used to doing that currently for my job and work so i’m very aware of all the exciting terms and conditions and health and safety policies um all over that so i can make it as safe as possible okay well fingers crossed that can go ahead but as you say even if it’s delayed it just adds more time and possibly more overlooking from the email base to help us out hopefully i know come on guys

um that’s brilliant joanna thank you so much for that um do you is um

before i ask anything else um shall we because we had those links of scream but just for the audio and do you want to point people just towards where to see these sure at the moment no worries so to find out more about the exhibition so it’s joannaleach.com and that’s spelt

j-o-h-a-n-n-a-l-e-e-c-h and then um you can do forward slice forward slash amabe so a m a b i e and on instagram it’s a mabe underscore project and that shows you all of the stuff that we’ve came in so between the two of those we’ll kind of have all the details we hope that we’ll create a facebook invitation page soon enough so otherwise um if you follow pollen art studios on facebook and they will then have that online i also have a facebook artist like page so if you just search for my name that i spelt earlier on um you’d be able to just kind of like my page and then those updates for things like the events and stuff will come up as well um i suppose just on this i mean how do you feel about exhibitions going online more and more because i’m personally loving it because it means i can see stuff in belfast and i’m stuck here in newcastle so um but how are you personally finding that and feeling about that as an artist i think it’s good and my previous um solo exhibition that i mentioned before um it was in millennium court arts center and it’s only you know about 40 minutes from belfast i think 40 minutes to half an hour away from belfast city center but there’s so many people who can’t drive um you’re artists mainly um i you know i didn’t learn how to drive until i was 30. so there’s just kind of there’s a lot of people here although it’s not that far away and on our transport system isn’t great that actually i realized even when i was doing an exhibition that was just outside of belfast um i did a recorded walk around of my exhibition which was called wanderlust and fantastic oddities so if anyone wants to look up you know what the work that i kind of described that showed a lot of my work was kind of like a little survey of everything i’ve done so far they can look it up online and there is like i have like a ton of photographs really good documentation and then just a little walk around with me with video and then that’s great because i can share that to people and i have artists that i work with in the states and you know even then all the people who are in belfast that just couldn’t get so there are you know three other reasons can have access to it and i think you know i discovered that before lockdown how important that was and i think it continues to be very important because there’s also even times where i maybe go to an art exhibition opening and you’re too busy kind of chanting whoever’s with you having a glass of wine and it’s quite busy and then you’re kind of like oh you know i’ll go back and then i’ll sit with the work or i’ll look at it for longer and sometimes you just don’t get that opportunity so i think the more that arts and things can go online i think it’s great but it doesn’t take away from that actual experience because a few weeks ago i mean i’ve been self isolating um quite a lot and working from home and um i just decided that when the mac reopened i went to see the exhibition at the mac and again you booked into a certain slot and it’s a huge space so you know it’s it’s a bit safer than maybe going to a small kind of gallery space and i also went to the golden thread to see their show um on the same trip and it just is like there’s no way like that buzz and feeling of going to a gallery you know it’s not as if you know all virtual stuff is going to make it worse or people won’t go out to galleries if they can look at it online that you never nothing can change that idea of just the silence of the space the concentration on an artwork the experience of the artwork being out of your house just you know you can’t you can’t it was just such an amazing experience it almost felt like i was going to a church and it was my religious experience like that’s that’s what it felt like for me was getting back into gallery and just gave my heart that little extra beat that i needed that’s you know like i think seeing art um in person will never be diminished essentially what i think yeah now that’s good to hear or is that very romantic romanticized yeah no it’s no it sounds good i totally understand you mean i imagine i’ll feel the same when i feel able to go to a gallery again um but for now it’s just not really for me and um but yes i i know the space as well that you’re talking about so i can just imagine it and it would be a bit i can imagine it would be a bit safer because they are really big rooms that you’re in um but also it must be nice to have peace in them because they’re only letting so many people in at the one time so that must be quite a nice element of it as well you feel like you have maybe a more intimate experience possibly yeah and i hope that’s what maybe the mabae project would be like because then if there’s people like you both of us are saying you know we don’t want to be you know gallivanting around with um everything that’s happening in the world right now whereas if i knew that it was just myself and my bubble going to a place for a specific time we know people have claimed it and you go in see the art and go away and like you said and have that piece to experience and for as long as you want um i think it’s really nice and um if it’s okay and you did mentioned about working at the strand art cinema as well so you’re used to that is it okay if i just ask you quickly about how that’s going and sure you know the cinema experience because that’s quite similar it’s another sacred art space that we need to protect and um how is that experience are you finding of working at a cinema but also people coming to that cinema again

like i think from i kind of had to make it kind of you know oh welcome back to the strand covert video um just to put out on social media just so people knew the experience and i mean like as far as any kind of covered procedures and things like we have every every box ticked and more you know we’ve changed our screen in times where it is and people coming in and out of the building and there’s um like special cleaning that we have like a fogger machine that antibacterializes the seats and everything never mind then you know just having cleaning stations and cleaning more so we we have that all kind of ticked so i actually have been to a few screenings while two screenings since lockdown because i know the strand is as clean as it can be and also we’re a small cinema and we’re in a rural space we’re not the city center so we’re never super busy anyway and then with we’re not particularly busy but it just means that you can book exactly where you’re sitting you’re socially distanced and so i was able to i went and saw tannen and um the other event i went to was a global film screening um which we’re doing at the moment and it was with green book and then we kind of had a discussion on kind of black lives matters and um different things like that so if yeah just give me that buzz because you know we’re kind of you know a vintage cinema um designed in 1935 so that kind of encompassing kind of red curtain feel and you’re sitting in half back seats and the experience is just so lovely and just being immersed in the film because i just thought no matter how many times i’ve watched inception um boogers for nolan i’ve forgotten half the time what happens in it and it’s because i just kept on watching it at home a few times or maybe had a glass of wine can’t remember the ending very well so it meant that with tenant i had that full attention span i went in no one not it it’s christopher nolan and you know there’s gonna be questionable things about it too but it’s gonna be an amazing cinematic experience so i did feel like i kind of said there maybe it’s because of my previously religious background but that kind of i’m that ultimate buzz of being like in your synagogue you know it’s like you know the room itself and the space and and just being spread out and and the feeling of being feeling safe because um people around you are further enough away and you just get to switch off and fully enjoy a film and i notice so many more things in green book than i did watching it at home because i missed it and the first kind of cinema release there was a few times with things i was like oh oh that’s not and i was like doing the talk afterwards like i was like i was noticing things more and i’m supposed to know more about the film so yeah i disagree if you’d like you know the experience of being innocent is never going to take away from watching those you know films on on netflix and whatever yes it is great that those um platforms are there so in the global film screenings i’ve made it that you can go on to the strands website and you can read like a resource about your green book so it has the recording of us doing the talk it also tells you that you can watch green book on amazon prime so i’ve kind of make packages afterwards and make it accessible to people who can’t go so they can still feel like they’re part of it so they can watch green book from the link and then um obviously they would need to you know pay for that or have amazon prime but then i would recommend and give links to the films that we mentioned in the talks because you always forget when you’re listening to something like that brilliant so i have resources of different films that are good to watch like moonlight um and then i have a connection with belfast which talks about frederick douglass who um you know would have been one of kind of the main people to kind of abolish slavery and he had been the belfast and that connection i had read an article about it in 2012 so i was able to like place that too so we’re in the strand we go beyond film sometimes and with special events then i can still bring in an online audience or i just give people that chance to go what was that film she was watching and then i can tell them about the original grain book and how it really was for americans um and you know recommended documentaries and stuff so um i think you should get get out there and support your local spaces if we can all stay open you know they’re closed in the south at the moment so um it’s good to support those spaces but uh not you’ll never get over that kind of cinema experience or um my partner was telling me oh we were talking about vr and he said you know you can get vr which makes you be in a cinema and then it projects your netflix film oh yeah but you have to wear a really heavy headset and you can’t it’s the smell of it too it’s other sensory things it’s the way the light is it’s the way the sound kind of almost hugs you because it’s um soundproofed and it’s all of those things you know it’s when the lights go down it’s like oh you know give a ticket you know he had all those things like um like i think uh there’s uh i was gonna say um mark cousins always talks about the romanticism the cinema but in the way he kind of describes it you know um like on how he he likes it i think he’d say like sitting in the front seat is it in a front row i like sitting in the front i like just ignoring if there’s other people i like feeling like i’m there by myself and it’s just for me with the big screen exactly well if people go to this round you might be um very small amount of people there and it will fill it likes your own screen if i could get your feedback probably exactly but the feedback you know from customers when i did that covered video and i got a couple of voxpos was one of them was like a guy who was a film student and um he was just desperately back he’s like i’ve been three times this week it’s like oh it’s so lovely and then you know it’s weird because the family audiences haven’t really came back so i think families have got so used to being in lockdown and getting to schedules i think you know i’m hoping there’ll be a time where those guys are able to come back and enjoy themselves and that bit of you know your parent as well okay you might be watching a kid’s film but you know your kids are going to be quiet hopefully beside you for an hour and a half enjoy it you know take the time for yourself to watch a movie and and enjoy it yeah it’s just worrying with so many outbreaks and skills at the moment so it’s very worrying to take children anywhere i think at the moment that’s one of the things but yeah we just have to find a way to help cinemas survive i think if we can yeah um and i think well the strand is spoiled because we’re supported because we are a charitable organization we’re supported by the arts council so loyalty burned

well just compared to maybe some of the other independents um who you know like my wage is funded by the arts council because i’m doing all this outreach and whenever it was locked down i was doing online videos and events and supporting artists and pain artists so we can kind of do that and we’re a bit luckier than some of the other spaces that might just be going on on solely the income they got in the door

right um is there anything else you would like to say put out there or anything before we go well no i think we’ve already talked about it so i had mentioned my website so if people want to see my work because they can save the exhibition at millennium court which kind of encompasses all of that and yeah keep an eye out for the amabe stuff you can get um most of a sneak break you get on the instagram at the moment there is most of the work there and so yeah so um just thanks so much paula for having me on the chat it’s been really good brilliant yeah no thank you for doing it it’s brilliant i’ve been following the project with interest and it’s such a lovely idea because it is just that idea of care and something looking after you but also a collection of people who are all spread out they’re all dispersed coming together to work on something like this it’s a really beautiful things it’s a lovely thing to be able to highlight and put out there really so thank you very much for showing us so much of the work it’s wonderful no problem

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24th Dec 2021 audiovisualcultures

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hello and welcome to the audio visual cultures the podcast exploring arts and cultural production I'm Paula Blair and I'm really happy to be joined this time by Ian McKenna he talks to us by his moving image practice many thanks to membership Petri on dot com forward slash AP cultures for your continued and much appreciated support the podcast is free to access but not to make and distribute they say this into the end to find out more ways to be part of audio visual cultures for now I enjoy the discussion my and I'm gonna so my slash mark great for circa aren't quite as I had the pleasure of Lincoln street quite a lot of your work because you've been putting it on he changed a lot of the work that you had and installations and and film festivals that's really exciting so you've been mostly making short form films so far is that right yeah at the moment I would like to push on to more long form projects not been writing a couple things that are beyond anything I've done so far one of the reasons as a financial our financial because you can only afford so much short forms good for audience attention things like that when you're in the autumn exceptional or if it's online you know people tend to not watch too much for too long especially in the sort of the phones that I like I'm a big fan of slow cinema and that's what and that sort of culture that's a bit more difficult I think then it might be useful to try and get an idea if it seems and she said come through in your work by talking first of all may be a bite when your most recent film set you up loaded so last week he uploaded I read a short animation called screen I find that one really striking visually as well as the audio it's really fascinating we found some debate twenty five seconds it's all right I really love the way you focus on small details and you've got this recurring image of a hydraulic hospital bed space areas and so %HESITATION there's a sense coming three of it you use the shapes of things in their car abstracted but it's so clear what they are you know it's very minimal very pared back but I find it really packs a punch yeah it really conveyed a lot of isolation and it was quite intense but there's also this idea of busy ness and there's a lot of other stuff going on in the signed happy to talk about what it is you're exploring and not screening I sort of hit us like a and then between film from a terms of work lan's love my work I had a film at a while back %HESITATION enactors the bad racism but I'm also I I've written a short film that I sort of had in mind %HESITATION hasn't been made yet but it's close to other sort of static look good screen %HESITATION ready part Bach images I kind of want to choose have a teaser almost have something in mind or were introduced the next short film well I plan to shoot down short film estimated and block light so for me I was kind of just test out different ideas I like to focus on the one detail some some I'm a big fan of Theodor Dreyer's optional Joan of arc in the not so there's a lot of just it's like a bad against double cross got stalled so that sort of thing but was again excellent as well not only on screen but in previous work focusing on the details and %HESITATION singer objects I guess running and to me or what people take away from the previous when needed was it the rectory where specifics in a hospital is that it will migrate G. use of faulty camera for part of it and some of the tech is that right sure is that a different one I used to smoke the camera for the previous one and so in the beginning yeah yeah %HESITATION are you saying comment but I I bought a a number one for right tree vocabulary I used faulty camera soul download Sony small comment it fitted perfectly with the seams of mortality and the LX you know something Dan real I try and find a lot of my work but then withdrew right tray %HESITATION I bought the same coming because I love the last four that's a fact was brilliant and I I'm you know just a local blues like nineties nerds because Arnold films that came out this summer kind of silly but still like them you know like the Blair witch project yeah but I thought maybe aren't on it when I'm on the phone that works fine %HESITATION short amount for a tree news two films that way if you if you're from third thinking about grace the I. losing somebody and he's left behind and how it affects them themes range remembrance and directions you go through when you visit a gray area for around a week %HESITATION I was researching a lot in the last few years then to you know old Irish culture and the culture of this card for an interlock nowadays or if it's just sort of surviving as well %HESITATION interest in high changes over time and that sort of thing about the form the cane and work at it you know can instead of the mouth of the cease so archaic ritual work usually %HESITATION woman will perform it but it kind of died down there's a number of reasons why it doesn't work cups of church work too big of a fond of women home and sort of power quality G. number take place over to say stuff away usually they don't really like the I think there is an association are works for pagan rituals goes back a long way so it was nothing but I had met the in the lead up to a cause try to find someone to perform but eventually turned out to be just coincidence virtual someone speak Irish as well as waters I am not the Armagh Reimers and a member the log treatments Dara he was talking to me about it you know hi it's just a human response really sort of took the dog not study what I was getting out I was trying to there was no like sort of I guess like national sentiment it was just I was really talking about your expression of grief but I will talk to the man well sort of right now from a couple different perspectives sort of controlling but my own history but people you know the possible entrance with a little bit of research about eight point nine years ago and is described as a cry baby on the crying it was this signed it just came from my friend it did not say how a particular there aren't any necessary words to you or if it's just something that emerges the fading that could emerge the sign from the body yeah that's right most of my life I suppose it was like a sort of poem yes but I I did you know one man Francis Quinn what we're working to get her on the shoulder if you're getting into those sort of moments where the words are really coming up yeah you know just kind of like roll with it %HESITATION welcome those kind of conduct as you described in like manner not even just mumbles or you know cries all because Shiro it's electrical work but for the most part it is water going back to work the sort of history of I think there's like a lot of links to the Jewish and our cultures as well so in trucks fascinating what's the point of origin yes %HESITATION yeah yeah it came up actually and %HESITATION previous recording I did with an artist who's also based in Belfast she was born in Iran she was talking about practices that were really quite similar from her parents culture feels something just quite natural about it in a way it's a natural response to something I think visually that one because that's one where I thought the night vision use where it's quite a grain and then you've got these distortions are it's breaking up a lot of my work as well it's kind of just circumstance again with the calmer it was that's faulty common interest students good luck %HESITATION it suited the mood the night vision really the only light up what county that so if you just put a figure against a wall on the extra cost light across her uncle night vision that's great stuff but we can I can be very effective to go alongside the words so and was there might be some like pouches works but if they cannot just recording close we had recorded an accidental theatre that's right Shastri score %HESITATION cars go by so I was still a lot of the coast just to eliminate those so instead of the tween what Francis was Sam it came back around and worked in my favor because it sits commerce talent %HESITATION what she says will expose these things keep reemerging and other pieces so the rag trade one that has the bad images again but you've also got it seems like a young man visiting some sort of memorial and tying a rack on a trade going down the rabbit hole again there were old traditions and cultures for a lot of people still have probably more so than the actors gaining less someone from wells drilled visitor well technically well kept their rights or part of something the baby belongs to a person tie it to the right track selected hope I guess maybe it cools into by a pro or send a message something to someone I guess or something special %HESITATION so I'm so I'm not too sure that's true but there's plenty of holy wells and Arland specially hello source close just because something does on some some of them are just been lost over time as well so myself but this is just nice like simple act of documents on Oct but maybe this time yeah because there's a lot of focus on removing the grant and stay close up action of the hand stepping into water repeatedly it's almost like a cleansing part of the ritual I wonder if it's a failing %HESITATION if we separate from any religious connotation for a moment if it's an active trying to feel like you're doing something when you feel powerless in a situation of somebody isn't while or maybe in the process of dying and you're fading quite helpless about that so you it's there maybe doing something is what helps yeah I think you're right Justin something like simple lock blacked out whatever it may be it doesn't have to be connected to religious or you know it doesn't have to belong to the old Irish culture or anything like that in your state it's just a simple act of going to get someone's some sweets store and bring them to the person who's on world just visit and some of them talking to them structural work here this time you get more directly into the following a young person dating with grace and your fiction film removal that was a longer pay say is that right that you had a quite a few film festivals because again the Irish things are coming up and then to do with one part of it the aftermath lawyer %HESITATION decided some of that and so lot of Irish folk gospel so got it in Dublin that knows what and %HESITATION the contest you here I thank people who were maybe decide not here were able to connect to you know a bit more than what was brought so it's following a young man he seems to have a job as a roommate filled person maybe needs religious icons which manages to accidently damage some of them so there's quite a point it's thank you bye in faith and they act swiftly and stuff so he finds out about his father being taken now and he seems to just know that yeah I'm gonna miss her yeah but yes I see what you mean it by really appreciating so cinema and not it's a very quiet %HESITATION minutes very stale and so when there is action you really notice sets yes it's very considered and that's very internal type of foam nothing that's what I was really traffic across all like I think the average shot length and removal is quite long some shots that go on programs and kind of wild I guess for a short song yeah I was looking at a lot of collects in them %HESITATION I'd watch a lot of care star means work right now all right excellent I was also a hem that makes sense because there's quite a lot of journeying on roads and %HESITATION then remain so yeah that yeah yes run scheme where but said she found that one Armonk with a twist on that it was good from the Americans just not many people except in the roads and stuff yes Iran's held nearby that mom so that's a big part of the film yeah there's a woodland it's very K. E. N. N. he received something suddenly happens because he sort of just runs away from it the main character and then later on after time as possible after the way the main character is played by transaction he %HESITATION return slots for %HESITATION I guess it's like a appreciation for what it means and it went away you know you get like when places hold such meaning to sometimes fall for me at least I don't really hold any resentment or bitterness towards them I just kind of look at them and that's what the main character does so there is a better route right I wrote as well as a sort of big wave at the burgers when he returns he sees a communication tower and I was kind of Lincoln and %HESITATION earlier in the film or some %HESITATION so I was trying to pick up some from there I wasn't too sure what exactly transaction isn't comparable isn't because see it or feel it so it does feel like a lot of your films are trying to work through things do you feel that that's how your filmmaking is is just trying to work through things here especially the short films as well and part of the cane and someone to find the right in the car I guess they're just releases of you know what I want for in hospital I've been talking about the steps she frowns on stocks as well bush will make and it's a bit more difficult for me to find a release and settlement because it's not really about being creative when you're all set you have to get the job done film and %HESITATION and parts of that again for me are I don't really find a creative release the more maybe I'd like to write that sort of thing you know I think for the farmers they can go on stage and get that instant release boardwalk tractors or people are like expressing cells but also making nothing it's only when you're maybe writing or doing some smoke from a I find a release not since the tools to get it done yeah yeah I think there's no room for emotional so you kind of just need to get the job done at least if you're still short films I produce all of them as well I wish I didn't have to books maze runner online get a job it'll probably really important practical experience though because hopefully that sets you up if you want to expand and not sort of career because you are so very young you've got options and for what area you want to do because you're ready multi skilling at the moment with I have to remind myself up thank you you know when you're taking on the rails for a lot of the toxicity obviously learned a lot about that's good experience and I try and removal was a it was a tough shit I felt at the time I hadn't done a good enough job directing the things about but I guess just kind of part you know I suppose if you're if you're have a death spiral the house at the same time then realistically you know and you're very young film maker and it is a very difficult job today so to have me at at seventeen minute film doing about much of the work by yourself at your age that's pretty impressive in itself I mean unless they have seen worse I'm not damning it with faint praise it's a good phone but you know I've seen a lot worse buying more professional people so don't put yourself behind don't be hard on yourself I think all of us or at our whole lives are always constantly learn and it's good to be there to get things to go well I can do better I will do better next time because you know happened any mistakes but not that you made mistakes it's a really tight found fascist more just accept that you're young and you're gaining experience and you're doing it really well so there's a heart to take from what you're doing and it's very brave to do a lot of the same since well because you're looking at things that are quite mature for your age I think your generation are quite an interesting correct because he might have some more maturity because of things going on in your life so that people just a few years old and you might not have so I'm quite interested to learn about what's going on is people your age at the moment in there for a year at a time I what's going on I'm in my own little world whatever yeah like a lot of people my age are color to your name and stuff and I just kind of trying to figure it out I thank the detail a lot of people obviously comes with a lot of pressure on banks adding different people figured out I don't think any of this really truly figure it out just to survive he just couldn't hurry I think anybody ever says a good little sauce diet thing that probably lion to be honest you're asking me about a film education having been a content provider and thirty comments for some education and having had a background of film education he told me before that your son medication the center up to this because of health issues right you're going three year periods it seems to me from the right side of self educating and just staring at me in learning by doing it as far to say before I worked for al Qaeda back I went to Manchester for yeah twenty six and twenty seven ten studies from working there but before that I was making phone Burke I didn't even amidst a skill and I made films outside about and then %HESITATION yeah I came back and was in hospital for but I don't know I guess I just pop my color blinded by it you started filming and I sort of had these images from my house so I started to look back on capital C. phone services will soon I guess I've got experience from me I've definitely learnt the most just a muscle do you wonder hi the experiences compare it was clear heart broken in a way when I was teaching and I taught briefly at the university of Salford probably at the same time that you remind Chester yeah and I was a theory person attached to a a new film production degree you know we had so many excited radiant Tasiast sick young people the old one and three directors producers cinematographers so last and tell them they're probably at the end of your degree you'd have to go in as a runner anyway because it's not your discounts tracking yeah you know I always wondered about just the aspects of that that your film production education that's formalized an institutionalized because I worry that a lot of young people are going into it thinking that they're going to come right straight away B. in Tarantino or whatever ironically because he's not allowed to give those old phone apart from going to cinema and I feel like that's what's lacking is they're not going to the cinema they're just watch and stuff your TD which is fine but then thinking they're going to move to Hollywood or something when they're finished %HESITATION it's not very realistic so just wondering if what you're experiencing you're still in the middle of it so we're finding ice but yeah if you know your different experiences just gotten in there and just stay in it anyway I have good experience of my course managing what I go back in the I remember %HESITATION of course later said at the start of the collection phones good summer that was my mobile you know because I go to settle I watch a lot of that is I watch a lot of phones that's a big ass character you mention card you know he he worked in the TV rental store for years but I just watched like carrentals numbers or talks with watching films but part of it for me I guess some people go into unity I'm not gonna make excellent courses because they don't really know exactly what they want to be a generalist maybe some people are going to not work but A. S. film industry is a bit of a tricky one because again as you're saying it's like you graduate from a soul mate control but you're still going to have to take up an entry level and the film industry unless you called the connection to the ground I don't think people read enough about what the course entails they usually set up the course detailed enough before after it so you'll know what you're sort of getting into but I think people don't pay much attention and there's a lot of pressure school you need generally not just whistle that can you know look you gotta get out on your life and then further down the road that can cause a lot of problems it was that it is free for one moment we were in office he wants to direct this is when I was at Manchester I was surprised how many people didn't put their hands up you know I just take as a given the people up at the moment and course and direct short souls but a lot of people I guess maybe didn't know yet or maybe their trusted server settings what we're there to make films and stuff but there's a lot of farmers just yeah there's a huge amount today I think life experiences probably in a way more useful or been educated in other areas can be more useful as but I'm hearing on this and other podcasts that have a lot of people he fell foul kinds of production roles and it's just so fascinating the amount of different things the point of different expertise that goes into making one program or one found sharks I worked in our department for over so many different departments and crazy and journal folks a lot of moving parts so yeah there's a lot going on you'd be surprised special music productions check out the E. at the moment do you have to hustle for work is it a combination of your own projects and working for other people there how does that work for you at the moment so my heart was working in the art department in the summer well so my eyes and I like that little bit of the Jewish nocturnal wish the how to a more steady job or I wish that I called paid for what I want to do so much I don't really make too much money off my own phones are covered contact it's like production designer so that work for him usually you'll swing up sparkles I'm sorry I kind of just want to focus on my own thing but then I got side tracked I need a bit of money as well I'm hoping maybe script almost study job I guess but I'd like to do something in around what I'm interested in the is it okay to ask if I if this whole time he's gonna Seuss's the short documentary he's done with the artists Sharon Kelly he's got I think it's today they were recording at her expressions opening and the golden tried to gallery because it is an investor moments while the reason for the phone and her work is pretty stunning as well yeah it is she's done a great job they're not talking about you just came out of nowhere I came back from I had a residency in Hong Kong I came back from there talk with my mom about her show and stuff and I just sort of the idea and vision make some for southern %HESITATION started piecing together the show looks great my own such a going beyond our so she's such a big influence on the slim %HESITATION so it's nice to just make some four nine it was a free what's not because what she's doing is she's drawing in charcoal on translation papers so you get the sense of a delicatessen and circles just sitting on the paper it could slide off at any moment so sense of hate to have to go to it is to work with these very delicate materials and so thank you very any picked up and the camera work you've got a lot of different focal ranges going on around me for it you just recapture that precarity through the proximity the close ups and everything else going on three different lancers I have a fifteen on third and six and then I sort of rain just to work with so my mom still some really interesting things with Celtics all the work you know in terms of the medium she's working on connects to the subject matter of memory and you know I fraudulent so much of the work is I've been stolen right out of sorry right yeah and then bump stocks in there every five minutes as well so its rating of a subject matter because that's really into her own childhood is not what happens after this old place but there's something very tenuous by thought for memory that she seems to have been there's photographs made in a play I guess what a lot of my mom's records contemplate of offense I think she's going to leave however bucked and usual major bustled through these images to she found her child so she doesn't want to talk with articulate and events serious amounts of school or work as well with respect to the cut it should be treated as she speaks related to grief and silence of the truck made a specific source of inspiration doctors well you know she did your cheatin automation these are things I look to as well as references and grown up or under my daughter's focus on Nordic stirs I think it just kind of rubs off on June I'll look at things but if you're going about a project or visually Allah I'll I think there's a lot of lost an entrance from them on holiday compose events on paper or on the complex do you want to sending about the residency then in Hong Kong something very exciting S. R. four months months ago I applied because I was on the go away somewhere on my phone well I might as well do something with the rest and so on to look at and what's going to start a year pretty much for us Tomlin residents in Hong Kong and then %HESITATION over somewhere things just kind of started with capital murder so it's kind of interesting going into the you know because I wasn't I I wasn't aware of what was going to happen in Hong Kong and I wasn't really too public I guess at the time when I applied yeah I'm not alone to the phone call so it wasn't too bad to be honest but it was just sent trucks to be there at that time this is the time when there's major protests happening yeah I was there for the month of October and %HESITATION straits clan on the flight over I had just finished up by one round I'm not sold by the individual gets the collective a lot of them arrived into this place where people are fighting for their individual rights the same thing but you can so sort of big box it was very Allah cart make together what is your residency entail fun I wrote a script for bisexual myself right now and then I made some installation work about how to show that they're studying cold flu projects so I had to show that are accepted my video work you know what I just thought Hyundai controlled everything to a different expression titled that was just made up of these plaster cost plastic cups that collected while I was in hospital nurses with public schools thanks to them your tech tomorrow over the course of cost us to start collecting the I. cost those and made a split bad I'm just laid out on the floor I kind of disconnected from although I was like a spectator took what was going on in Hong Kong I didn't really want that so I wasn't interested enough so I I didn't really lucked out interfere with what I was doing to be honest with the video work and the installation again it kind of falls along to where I am creatively I can really well maybe outside forces made their way and and I didn't realize what the instruction book from A. I. this was to do with myself there was no room for me in Florence from what's happened in the old call because you you know a young person he's been through quite an ordeal that's a lot to work three and itself yeah yeah I find myself in my head a little yeah and there's an overwhelming amount of stuff going on in the world in general at the minute so it's really difficult to start getting ready and entrances and I agree and caring about one thing a lot of but all the other millions of things going on so it that's not a bad thing to be introspective Eric's sister overwhelming to them as well so I don't really know what's going on in the world I guess it's always been our best but when you go free I guess something traumatic and then you come out the other side you're not going to run you almost think the world will be peaceful but that doesn't just keep scrolling do you think you trying to find some sort of peace and yourself maybe it's not as active as possible yeah I guess I would like to thank thank most car helped me last year almost like a delay strengths are and what happened when I was in the hospital and I think things really struck me last year and I almost became a worked out towards the end when I came back to Hong Kong in Hong Kong where we can reach you that's great until residents need seem to have been doing quite well that getting your working savages and Belfast another but beyond this file is fortunate because I Peter Butler's Michael sabar trump he runs the %HESITATION password yes or a no time I got out of hospital and these videos to kind of want to do something with them right shoot for a few days and it scored one of his on court street none I thought to be honest I was kind of down the thought you know it was just it was a nice way of wrapping it up but then I don't remember too much of what happened but I I was able to get the crescent only a few months after on I did like a complete new body of work pretty much within two months and that was the homework in the king and %HESITATION I was running a cold front that after a committee it should come scratch you know I really like your work so that's frustrating because I'm trying to push things on them it's been difficult to get shown criticism thank installations with a lot of hard graft and patience keep at it and see how it goes we've done quite a lot and quite a short space of time Stampy pace with fast do you feel like you're exploring a sense of a connection to the Irish nicer Irish I tend to say because it feels like this is a question that's come up in a broader sense with people I think mostly because of what's going on lasts for accents after the referendum a few years ago and I feel like a lot of people from the north from north in Ireland from Ulster are reassessing their identity because I know I certainly have in the past few years I was just wondering if in a very personal sense because there is so much that we we've talked about it but CPOs practices that could be considered as traditional Irish practices but what a friend does that mean and %HESITATION what kind of direction you know there's a lot of question marks that come up from that but I just wondered if he had any thoughts on that or if that was part of what you were working through as well it is a great way to get it kind of brings back to what we're talking about earlier and that idea of human response to grief and relation to the king and I work under my Irish title and there's a lot of fiber strains from it are just human responses %HESITATION she came and things and I think that's what they should pay to be on a motor history works Gaelic culture these are just things that people go deal thanks I think to make it to you I'm not speaking about you I'm speaking generally to make a political is the wrong thing to the yeah that's fine I don't really think politics and identity in terms of my work ethic I don't really think about it too much at the moment I'm just kind of worked in truth my sort of demons %HESITATION trial almost get food %HESITATION there are locked there was just one of my friends after all but both techs society and %HESITATION I say it does make its way into your work one way or another I guess I'm speaking about hospital environment maybe something can be said about the lock of baths or things like that too and I chose them I think they always find their way in some parts but I don't really see doctor at political message I'm trying to send them through its an idea in a way maybe you have to renegotiate things with your own body because socks at the last count of what you were surprised when second impact said started because that was the first to be offensive what's yesterday this screen and it just struck me some action images of a and the signs of a shaky have status made just five cents of that isolation in a very busy environment I thought about that but I guess there's a contrast from Stalin do you have anything you want to plug is there anywhere on the internet you would like to direct people if they want to see your work the website and I maintain dot com but I think I'm going to be changed not sent yet somebody you should probably if you're older yeah to search for your name and it's crazy to find great SCO it's been really brilliant here for me to hear more about your work I run the query to say and how you work progresses thanks for optimal thank you very good luck with everything and get a her exhibition you've been listening to audio visual cultures it's me Paula Blair and my very special guest in the McKenna this episode was recorded edited and produced by polar bear the music is common ground by our tune licensed under creative Commons noncommercial three point zero license and is available for dine note on C. 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24th Dec 2021 audiovisualcultures

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hello and welcome to the official cultures the podcast that explores arts and culture production I'm polo player and I'm delighted to be joined this time by artist Shane yet mighty now pay very kindly shares her experiences and marking across various art forms including documentary and short Film and Northern Ireland very warm thanks to our members on Petri on dot com forward slash AP cultures for your continued support for other ways to help fund the podcast and to keep up with our goings on listen to the end for details and to enjoy this really fascinating chapter wishing them yeah the T. L. S. C. R. my name is Shannon it's just it really well I think I've heard all kinds of variations of my name and I just smiled my feeling is Genya Masti now says Jenny is that Russian name my mom was born in Mexico and Shinya which incidentally means genius yes although you know they knew the things he left is my parents in my maiden name and now it's a German name because I was married to somebody was from Luxembourg so I kept it on because my son and so this Russian passion I was born in Iran and abroad happening and just go there and my first notice studies and so we've got that set here as well just in case we get your doggy noises yes test says my god my border collie my sweet friend me go and solution yet good trying to scare your kids year filmmaker and artist and educator mmhm all sorts of things a lot of yeah and things I mean I suppose if I'm looking back at the stuff that I've done is very difficult to just pinpoint one pass the thread in them has been creative in some way yes I have been quite involved in training and teaching and developing some educational resources that were created and have doubled into filmmaking and that's how we met but drawing and painting it has always been a part of it as well then some singing because %HESITATION get on to that yeah yeah and dances while it's very important he is dancing with some U. S. towns is important not because you know it in my head %HESITATION it on to my body not quite yes when I close my eyes I'm capable of doing all kinds of a %HESITATION it said %HESITATION so it's yeah I've had a fascination with dons and movement and how the body I just find the bodies almost like a metaphor for something higher consciousness of something very peaceful and innate in us rather than just a physical thing so I love the metaphors that happened between movement and emotional states and from a very long time ago I tried to draw it and captures in some way and the idea of movement and something very ethereal the happened situational and again more recently I'm trying to see whether I can stocked protective some sort as we can thank and then with talking about tapestry of color issue document chase that is highly Mets fills like a life ago my other ex and probably one of your other lights is one of the things so yeah it was two thousand and twelve that summer of two thousand twelve that I I was editing tapestry and its screen the fast time in September of two thousand twelve and I think it wasn't long after that that we met I mean that was a mammoth project me because before that I made a short film and I've worked with editing and training people in editing I used to work with in the nav centre in Belfast and that's where I began to learn more about editing and filmmaking tapestry was the first time that actually really I managed to get some funding which would never cover many like that you want to do but it really was a labor of love and something that was of real interest to me but a subject that was just exploring how coaches %HESITATION arriving in Northern Ireland and how there is a sense of integration I wasn't I wasn't looking for the conflict areas I was looking at integration areas and see whether could be human stories or other facts and figures it was great I think when we met at mystery that you script button key F. T. so it felt really appropriate actually that it was say that younger generations who were born after the official end of complex here and it was feeling at the time I'm not sure but now if it is feeding at the time I can you Northern Ireland I feel like I straddled in UAE and then I don't live here anymore so I think so much of the film is so much to do with identity and all the intricacies of identity so it was really important especially growing up in such a very white yes yeah and it's great to see so much diversity here knowledge but I just didn't experience up when I was younger even the film educated me on how much diversity there was because I didn't know there were only two communities everywhere else so that was really important that yes just important for the community scare quotes and Northern Ireland to realize they're not the only community health not least but those Terry and there are more to what's going on here than sectarian divisions and there's more to overcome them just sectarian division one of the things that I found was there is I think an underlying belief that people if you come from a certain area then you're likely to share the same thoughts and beliefs and ideas and a pretty much you know you with that bunch and here's this bunch just like you know here in Northern Ireland here are the Catholics and hear the Protestants and hear the loyalists and hear the nationally as well as reality is that these are just names and labels that we give to human beings I've never felt comfortable with the idea of groups being given an identity that bypasses the individuality of the people that are within that group and I think that is something that I've found over and over again I found I've come across it again and it came with all kinds of backgrounds and cultures it is and you need to know the nine it's something that happens everywhere and I think partly because people feel comfortable with them and not everybody wants to particularly feel an individual within a group and I do so I'm particularly conscious of that and sensitive to that but also partly because it's an easier way to address a whole group of people instead of thinking about their individuality is a lazy way to address humanity of someone and I came across that over and over again where people would buy that I mean tapestry of colors there are some uncomfortable conversations it was very difficult to get those uncomfortable conversations because people don't always want to say what they feel and it was an interesting thing to find somebody who was able to do that was and she saw nothing wrong with that which was great for me get it on record it and she was very happy for that and I think for her it was having a police %HESITATION which was good but in a sense I thought it was quite naive as well too and she assumed that this is okay you know that this will be for thieves generally okay all kinds of dynamics were going on but what I found was most fascinating is always to find prejudice Waveney suspected and find open heartedness where you least expected that's the P. two things I think that's well and I did find that over and over again where you live so really it's like from the background that this person comes from educationally socially culturally they probably are going to have a lot of views that would be probably negative about having all kinds of cultures and then I was so nicely surprised that wasn't the case and then the person who did find you know said things that you know they come here and take our jobs and that kind of stuff was from somebody who had lived quite a number of proteins this process today yes yes and but the reality was that it so if you need to explore that was somebody who was in the questioning close area it was fascinating is really fascinating but because my eyes lit up and I so unusual things happen come Roger using paper you wouldn't expect that somebody was Irish and I travel the abuse of for the they just complimented each other and and that's where you you really see that humanity has none of this them and us there is justice yeah which is really peaceful to see yeah essentially as well because there's a guy from a loyalist marching bands the orange marches and that sort of thing so this better coverage of that as well and what he says is quite fascinating and not as this is our cultural display and if you believe those same things we don't care what you look like you're one of us but anybody is welcome to come and see us and that sort of thing so that was quite interesting the here and I don't know hi people favor but that was then and and I weigh stops but I have to say when when I was filming that part it was very pops where it was it didn't particularly feel welcoming yeah %HESITATION I stood out like a sore thumb and I didn't mind you always been outside is it doesn't really matter and that particular conversation will gain very clearly was there was two sides to that story and that was at the edges were very shop on both sides on the one hand you say you know I mean anyone is welcome but why did you do and say as I say and do yeah everything when the weather isn't filled with people who all believe the same thing the whole point is that we attack us we have different experiences and they're full welcome cannot be just to those who are exactly like me because then it's not welcome welcome means an open door that allows people to be who they all provided they don't actually home use it's an interesting thing to watch people's perceptions of what he would issue an old granny who believed to be the same thing in a welcome Indians come in welcome but actually no it doesn't only if a B. and C. you meet these criteria then you're welcome so then you know that calm so that was interesting yeah yeah I have other friends who are artists who found that orange marches and here also when men and there may be actually from Protestant unionist communities but they're still outsiders because they're maybe from a different place in North India and then there filming them in Belfast or whatever it happens to be it can be so tight now than anybody's website cider can take a long long time to earn trust there were areas I wanted to film and not just about people who are native to the nine yeah like that it took me a long time to find anybody from the travelling community and I was very lucky that I was able to find somebody and he just musically exemplified what it means to you know integrate with people and that's always the case but %HESITATION so from the Roma community digested managed to let her try hello I couldn't get that it's a very close knit close community there was a loss of knocking on doors the students you know obviously a huge part of any filmmaking in sixteen minutes of kementari is to research that you're doing in trying to to find the possibility to fell possibly because I'm neither here nor there I'm not the concert no Protestant I'm not from me %HESITATION simply that made it more comfortable for people just just because I was not a threat but I did in one instance I found that really bizarre because one of the people who always saying you know they come here and take a job the person who lived there for many years abroad she spoke to me in such confidence that I should have you obviously part of my job is you know because I am welcoming you know I want to hear and I don't want to say no and this and you content there will obviously will be things that I feel no this is not part of what I want to do but you know that was that I wanted to have a story I found it so intriguing to tend to me somebody who clearly doesn't sound okay perhaps I don't sound like the typical immigrant who has recently come here but I don't look at northern Irish I definitely don't look like you know even though it may sound boring which I didn't you can see it you know my background must be from an immigrant you know and as it happens is from a refugee kind of background and yet to speak to me so we speak the same language you know they come here and take her to the so so often my thoughts as to speaking I am one of the people you do not see that I'm in that in itself is a bit of a dichotomy because you kind of thing this individual office he has humanity you know who feels that can connect with you did we %HESITATION you know from whatever background to whatever stories we have we come to the perceptions of me come to arrive at the printing plate that social conditioning can only really be that sort of thing that I reckon that produces the sorts of attitudes or I would say S. lack of logic and a way to do that for me was a logical to say on this issue with me but then in another part of the film someone speaks about his children being color blind and not seeing difference between paper but the reality is there are differences and you need to address those differences so that people are not under privileged because of that difference for that reason alone but that the children growing up at the time that was two thousand and twelve when I was filming he was saying that his children are lucky to be in that sense they say that color blind they don't see a difference and I suppose what I'm thinking of the lady that was talking to me and saying you know they come here and take a job do you see what I mean you know that intimate conversation with me in a way she was being colorblind yeah because maybe she saw U. S. British because of your accent and maybe that maybe an inverted form of oxytocin or maybe it's paperless from a foreign accent yeah Hey or that you know a culture that we cultures all different people's practices and lives a very different and they don't sit comfortably always with each other you know so and that's a reality it's not comfortable so I can understand what so what if it was really really uncomfortable and you have families that settled into a community whose ways and practices you so unfamiliar with and you just don't understand and it's hard on both sides I think it really is you know to find a way is that and it takes time but I think more than anything what helps is actually to be open to kind of meet each other somewhere along the way it works both sides you can only really chat with somebody about this issue said very able to safely talk about them and that the country a light that space for somebody in a very safe for the voices concerns because I think part of the problem arrange for stellar nearly three years and no over three years and trying to do this brexit style yeah and so much anxiety right now has been people not feeling like they're a law eat to talk about how to fail so maybe it's something like that and I wonder if it's for me not for me to try and psychology ISIS person but I wonder if there is an anxiety about having being away and then coming back possibly and maybe that was something this person was working straight but I don't really have a tough day for him you know everyone has a story yeah Hey those screenings that I went to people I didn't know would come and say you know they're very nice but the felt when they were saying because you know I was in your country and and they would tell me the stuff that they've done in the food to the taste and all this stuff as though I'm still there and I'm here to visit to say listen you know as a child when I was living in Iran my parents didn't come from you know what our families they worked really hard my father came from poverty so by the time I'd come along and I was an afterthought thanks with five children I was the fifth and %HESITATION my oldest brother was almost seventeen years older than me so I really wasn't meant to be there but by that stage life had become a lot more comfortable for them because my family %HESITATION hi and I'm at the high as well and the highs have been persecuted hugely in Iranian culture right from the start of the the high fifties and incidently Bahai teachings are about one this of humanity and you don't get involved in party politics and it's really humanitarian kind of religion that really is about uniting the saying there was this one in human beings as one but these teachings are very threatening for governments and institutions in places where you really people %HESITATION have to blindly follow and be told what to do so it's a whole history of persecution and executions when I was growing up none of that was that that I could see but I was quite protected I think but there were undercurrents of it always when the Iranian revolution happened things turned upside down by that stage we'd already been living in England I had no history no concept of that I just had it from my parents my father has gone into it every time and then he went back to Iran two the only means of %HESITATION you know financial support was his pension and he'd managed to finish paying the mortgage for the house and hands of the tendency was providing our living costs and the tenants stop paying so my father went back to see what was happening it was at the stage when life was becoming very difficult for bodies they introduce columns that if you want to leave the country you have to say what religion you %HESITATION and of course my father couldn't put anything other than getting behind and he knew that that could be very very dangerous so ended up instead of a couple of months which was the intention to be that to be there for four years any escape through the mountains of Turkey meanwhile through the years the house was confiscated so does all the belongings I sold his pension was stopped and there was nothing so we will have to become refugees as a result so this is kind of the stories of very real although I have to say I never experienced the hardships on refugees I was too young so I was protected from all sorts and I've had things I know my father and my mother and I had only recently from cousins who had known my dad and had said that the reason he left was his name would come up on the list and he was going to be executed and his crime was that he was helping the highs who everything everything belonging had been taken so he was assisting with taking contributions from others to help them survive that was his crime there's all sorts of stories about the refugees I developed a very British kind of identity my friend's role in missions I went to school in England and and and at the time I was the whole idea of being Iranian wasn't it felt very uncomfortable for me because I wanted to integrate into this new than a teenager and it's ME later really that it began to dawn on me that the difficulties of refugees go through I suppose I felt when I was speaking to people who are coming from a different background like the okay the difficulties that they experience arriving not speaking the language and not knowing anything something the shops and arriving in years and how difficult it must be for them it's having by that stage had so many of the stories that was familiar from family yeah the film had all kinds of meaning for me as well as opening it up for compensation yeah I was thinking as well by and I do have that sense of home a talking it by your own background as well yeah initially the moving part in the film where I think it's a lot fan woman talks about aids just hearing other people speak about fan and she wants to go over soon because she suddenly felt ready home sick yeah and just one at that topspin's said something she felt she had to leave hi end but they didn't want to know because they just ashamed she would want their help yeah I just find that really so how does he have and the the reality is that existing laws and you can kind of understand both sides but ruled the sight of the person who's just arrived and it's so difficult so so unfamiliar and now I mean I have quite a few friends are from different backgrounds and left fans as well it's lovely to see how integrated they are and but it's the long journey for many people and I think a conference at home enough the fact that people arrive not necessarily as their first choice but that because they have to and what would you do if you have family or child and you want to give them hope home K. as a set of high and I and the fellow with the S. S. but one country and mankind is its citizens it's a quote from the homeless writings because really these quotas a man made board really there is only one hello the building is anyone S. we live in and how peaceful if we could actually see each other is going to be able to travel and be what we need to be instead of thinking on this but it is mine because ultimately that's a game from the high rises ultimately or what you're fighting for is the basic ground that you can be buried in you don't take it with you it's not you know so why it seems really bizarre to think of it as this is mine the whole nationalistic kind of approach that is exist very much these days you know current inclusion in U. K. you can see that it's a very worrying thing that's happening globally it's a place but we have to hope I think that's what but the title of the film the tapestry idea that so beautiful because well what's the topic street soul it's a different threads woven together and they have to work together to be a long thing even the %HESITATION the image for the marketing image in the DVD admits the cover of it S. all the different flags via recreate melded together anyway and the shape of Northern Ireland but there's almost a cage and to the Republic as well because this is another arbitrary ordered which is night contestants again a gay yeah yeah yeah the idea of the tapestry thing was because I was trying to make it into and using my visual imagery into digital imagery skills to kind of make that looked like a tapestry and woven thing and then the reality is that we are all threats of the Saint there is no no real difference and really it's just it seems hope is all but interestingly when you talk about the flags because obviously I was really castle to make sure everyone knows there all morning and to all the people who contributed in the film the flag of that country is in and it was so conscious that particularly aware of the situation in the Irish and the British flag and the hand of Ulster and all this kind of business school featuring but there was one of the screen is because what I had to preview it set everything into those old kinds of invited audience VIP's and things it was wonderful and then from that stemmed quite a lot of screenings I was really working with councils and that good relations offices to see that if they could invite paper that had something to say in their communities so that they'll be a panel discussion after the film city people don't come and sit and see it and then go and those are really interesting and I'm obviously I was on the panel but I want to make sure local people and but that really interesting most places amazing conversations happened but in one particular place which was to remain nameless somebody at she will travel to right the stock because the Irish flag looked a bit smaller than the British just so wow that's so interesting to it's just yeah that was very interesting conversations on the phone then what sprung from the film was there's lots of people wanted to use it as an educational kind of tool but it's too long first there was a lot of what shops that I was doing councils with Janet and I edited the film into so small extracts somatic stress that we could have so what ships in conversations about each of those what they mean and how that the following year was able to get some funding to an educational resources but that really I worked with within the sofa Sierra which is the curriculum yeah exam board one of the people there and I simply wanted to make sure to %HESITATION ticked all the boxes for teachers so that they could teach and we had a plan that went to a number of schools and youth groups and it was really really interesting very positive about comes out of those and just it was impossible to continue it as an online business because costs involved and because we couldn't get the funding that schools couldn't raise the funding to be able to have the truth I mean as a project is a holistic project I think the film then led to other conversations I felt what's really well there was a lot of conversations I had with politicians %HESITATION results of it which were also very interesting took me a whole new area an Avenue of professional web that really as an artist is not my thing although I'm quite confident and I'm quite happy to present and talk about things but then I just felt it's taking me further and further away from the office in the Clinton yeah I mean I thought I don't know if that's something that just naturally came to a conclusion or if the climate of things for the past few years has actually acted as well because not only a set of cracks initiated by the fact that there's been no local government here for three years so let us come to a standstill ready with arts funding in general was funding has been cut huge anyway but I think with the work that I was doing I think it came to a point when %HESITATION I found I just was hitting my head against a brick wall speaking and really the number of fantastic conversations presentations to various VIP's and heads of this and that and the other one they're all wonderful but really what I found what I'm trying to do is having more funding to do further for the walk and it seems like as you say it came to a point where they need to to stop because I ate the amount of time and energy that I was putting into that which was not in any way rewarding not just financially but creatively it wasn't recording anyway related to it so do some work that was I suppose that experience helped in the rest of the work that I was doing as well I did some creative consultations for the arts council when the for some of the cities and towns over doing building peace through the arts time out they want to have and those things and some of the other projects that it is on the phone network that I did was I'm sure at the back of tapestry helped along with those but I think yeah I think it's come to a point where I feel now my passion these go back to what we touches my home matches all persons like interpretive color she's quite a bit of your own vocals and there is that something you'd like to like basis you're singing in your vocalisation where yeah I mean the singing I I was in a bind some years ago cool trespass and we reckon melodies and stuff I was doing and but at the time fast I was using a lot of the Bahai writings because they so views from poetic and then I was writing the lyrics and stuff but the film and documentary kind of sound tracks that I have done some work on this a few things like caramel is pump go George image to some music for the soundtrack of the style of kind of work that I've done a gain on tapestry can seat as well the tapestry actually the focus for that initially was for a a more for channel documentary called monkey left by double bond and it was about Harry hello who's a psychologist who did some GPS workers %HESITATION baby monkeys in the fifty cents at the head of a document checks I was approached by a friend of mine who is doing the soundtrack for it and it has my kind of rule never cool stuff so it began kind of vocal recordings that were very much non verbal but it was much more about and %HESITATION see failing and the undertones of eastern sound and a lot of that I suppose comes from when I was a child I remember my father used to he had a beautiful voice he's the same he's a chance behind cries he had a voice like a medically backed just beautiful so I guess that means the committee here is a one of the recordings that ended up again on tapestry and the more recent years I did some work for graduate failed from his film engines caught his so I went to ten men to watch with Toby marks A. K. A. I'm good to go yeah so we recorded some record claims that he actually had Lisa Gerrard and she then had pulled out and he was looking for somebody who did that kind of thing and again my friend who had done the stuff for the double bind home and told him about me so I'd sentence and stuff and like to talk to about I think that was a very beautiful creative hope felt experience because I just awesome to put on some records leave the room let me improvise that Saturday's game about and there were a couple of those tracks featured on the Apollo which is under the guise comeback album I felt very happy I'm very happy with those creative efforts that sounds like a great way of collaborating he's just awesome to trusting yeah yeah that kind of singing is very much a singing your hall yes %HESITATION this thing so it's not a you know press a button here comes it has to be an he knew that I guess that's why he asked me to do it because it's the other stuff that I've done we had to just try it and it seemed to work and he was happy with it but each of those are very much associated with a particularly poignant emotional experience I was having at the time so I know I have to tap into that and really sing for that seem to work they're really haunting and they're very beautiful to listen to their C. eastern offense but there is something and there is it just made me think of an Irish connection as well because there's the caning that's done by women %HESITATION speaking robotics in Ireland and that sis cry from within when you come to cry and to expand access sign that comes from within and that's something between crying and singing and wailing it's quite an incredible thing to behold and it reminded me of that as well actually this thing too because it does feel like it's from the heart there is something distinctive because it does actually signed the life force so much music in this process voices and processes and I'm gonna put some links up on our oceans because there it was ready I see somebody told me that originally there are links between the Celts the patient's rights whether that's true or not but maybe intrinsically interesting thing that I have done quite a bit of research in the past few years on the engine borrowed since trying to see what's Mexico and what's not and I think historians for a couple of hundred years at least there were making everything very separate and actually there's a lot of revisionist research going on saying no there is a lot of evidence that everybody was more doing talks in yellow and purple to believe so that they can surprise me isn't it a symbolic thing the fact that we have she will hello by colonial civilizing missions making people author when actually people are coming together in trading and there are areas that weren't so much colonial about say a Greek tried bridge go to one place and he checked the Alexandria error nearby and they would have a joint community they would actually have a %HESITATION hello Jepsen community that was shared in their chair daisy something that would be amazing yes okay and I it wouldn't surprise me as opposed to an Irish poet tone please I don't know I hope it's true it sounds nice yeah things like there would be an affinity I think you have to see it yeah because it it's it's a bit of a lemon to submit business unless them often sing into my son the yes because he's into twice yeah with my hot would you like to talk about it from a few years ago some of the projects you were commissioned to do the arts kind so some of the short films so if years ago there was a project that I did that consisted of five phones and it was full I think she's still exists and there's a few communities in north Belfast and it's cool to draw down the walls of for that particular year in two thousand fifteen the commission five short films working with five groups of people it was about invisible barriers and exploring that I love actually working with people and finding very kind of unusual creative ways to bring out draw out stories from people and it was really nice because there was a couple of groups that way in that location code there was one group in the auto and area and there is one group that while unemployed people and there was another group that was just young people who wanted to make films this is a variety of kind of experiences and to explore the sense of otherness and belonging and not belonging in I had some really fascinating stories particularly I think what moved me was the location code downs and it's somewhat with the younger people but it was a low Chanchal adults that I found really fascinating a lot of them laughed telling me the stories of people being imprisoned and really hard lives lots of suicides and the difficulties of the young people and the people who've been in previous times involved in paramilitary groups and and how that communities affected by it and yet I have to say it was one of the loveliest kindest group of people I met there was so genuinely very welcoming that was a real eye opener for me difficult difficult areas to live and so those five phones within shown as part of a mini festival that happened the first Film Festival was hosting them so that happened in a number of areas and then for months that we showed it to the city hall and then the publication was based on it was pretty stunned than it did during the kind of thing around so it was an interesting very difficult project I have to say %HESITATION difficult project of really interesting but I did meet some really peaceful people an offensive game breaks all your preconceptions which is really nice pretty nice yeah we can actually be something that site yeah the room of the muse convicting me pages was he could see those really interesting exploring what really all that means and just breaking those barriers which we all have I found the ones that were really responsive to my very wacky Pacelle everyday I've come up with some strange way of exploring things with the young people that you met at the golden thread gallery because it was just a friend it was great it was or you can't so yeah it was so many parts of that and I really felt was a very worthwhile really positive protect which took away their residency with room three yeah so this is what really is My Baby no so for quite awhile I had this idea that I wanted to explore it came Johnson movement through the lens and finding ways to really there is a distance between the performer and the audience this online and I think I have experienced it when I'm being at a performance that when I'm so mesmerized him so invest in what I'm seeing experiencing that I'm becoming opponent if you know what I mean because it's so beautifully done there are a few things that I've been to always contemporary it's the most beautiful will be WrestleMania fans of tonight all so I just my heart just isn't wrenched it just being not even an observer and Paul if that becomes that as I'm watching it and become the performance even though I'm not a forma so I really want to explore that place where you go beyond this world it's an otherwise it's an otherworldly experience it's a higher consciousness it's spiritual it's a different round of fascinated to resign moments in that and I wanted to explore that through movement and dance and I was lucky enough to meet and photograph the peaceful Tomlinson was partially sighted cone head on whole beautiful movement beautiful polity and so I wanted to work around that so I had applied for residency sometime before and so I was able to do it at that time so I went to Tyrone Guthrie now imagine this you know this is in June of two thousand eighteen when the summer was amazing %HESITATION for anybody who hasn't been there it's really peaceful grounds or green and there's a lake and the sun beaming every day and I had to cut its to with them and I had a studio to myself I took everything and I want to animate so I was able to animate the movements and %HESITATION and the idea really is it's a bit of a dream for me to have an installation performance kind thing based on this this is right but the start of a project so I was able to really get started into that and produce a kind of work and sounds and things that I felt great he would work with it it was just a dream of a time that for me I just was amassed into that really was so peaceful and the paper was so lovely and met some really wonderful artists as well I'm so fascinated also by the academic side of things well academia matches with creativity lots of useful said I really like to see if I can take this off into its own proper research a PhD yeah but a practice based PhD where I can put you sweat but really look at the kind of the intellectual side I did as well but pretty touch around that is for me is so fascinating we'll see I've written a proposal what let's see if I would go anyway yes yeah yeah if it's meant to be well hopefully it's finding the right place two days yeah yeah yeah the tricky part yeah I mean if I die I live in Northern Ireland now and one of the things they did to us last year was to build up the studio space so I don't plan to be moving anytime soon so if I can do it through here university okay great or if I was able to do it somewhere else but I can actually continue to stay here and yes so we'll see unexplored possibilities and see what happens so as well as the PhD idea but you were saying that you go really into your painting yeah I've started to get because the whole idea here is her ago three was that I begin to bring in all elements of the things that are tied up into my creative practice soak painting was I mean I exhibited in a few different places before and I hadn't been painting for awhile and the figure always feature is not portraits but again movement and %HESITATION limbs and bodies and sick and starting to see if I can reconnect with painting and games it's a slow process but I saw to it that someone you know %HESITATION after painting the game on the go so we'll see yeah I just think it's you know with creativity it's for me it hasn't been a career it's a vocation in life although thankfully it's and to me it's tough to be able to live off off and on and off but generally it's not something that you then stop it needs to be something that I see is at the core of what to do and again the idea of creative practice %HESITATION and the creative impulse being a border this thing as well here a long time ago I remember speaking to somebody about being an artist and at the time I haven't painted anything and he was about you you know painting I remember thinking I felt very annoyed H. and thinking but your analysis is a part of who you are is woven into it it's not when you paint that threw it off this is not what you write it's just do you own and I think it's an even in everyday conversation it's just being looking at things in a different way in a creative way for hearing things in a different way so he went to the direct anybody to find out a bit more about what you do or say some of your work you can see some of my work on my website said M. and creative studio dot co dot UK and so my fellow work are on them like a music channel but also my email is there you can contact me I'm always open full interesting ideas and particularly when different all forms much that's what I find most fascinating weather is music and sound in towns and painted animation he knew just where it goes yeah and it's a like minded souls that kind of connection I love the idea of that so yeah I'm always open to that but it's it's and yet thank you so much to come thank you enough %HESITATION thank you and I am in love with your dog yes and creatively training a dog that's another thing to do she knew sought some tricks you know %HESITATION yeah okay did you couldn't see the trees in %HESITATION do you think but I will show you she's a sweet but it's thank you very much remembering up thanks to OD official cultures with very special guests Genya muddy now and tests at the dog this episode was presented recorded edited and produced by polar bear the music is common grind by our tone licensed under a creative Commons noncommercial license and is available for download from CC mixer dot org episodes are released every other Wednesday please wait share and subscribe on your chosen nesting platform to help others find the show to help cover costs of making and distributing the podcast please consider making a regular donation via libera pay dot com forward slash PP a planner or one of two nations to pay pal dot me forward slash P. 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Audiovisual Cultures episode 55 – Escape Sequence with Dr Robin Price and Catherine Hemelryk automated transcript

24th Dec 2021 audiovisualcultures

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hello and welcome to the body of facial co chairs the podcast explores the weird and wonderful areas of cultural production I'm pulled up there and I'm really thrilled to be joined in the sedation by artist robin price and gallery director Catherine Hamel Reich at the center for contemporary art Derry Londonderry to talk about it robin show escape sequence exhibited from the twenty sixth of October J. the twenty first of December twenty nineteen a massive thank you to our members at Petri on dot com forward slash AP cultures for your continued support we could really use a lot more to pay for podcast so saying and be able to offer something tear gassed her always so generous with their time and expertise do you listen to the end for further ways to support our work and how to get in touch for now I enjoy this chat with Catherine and robin Hey my name's Katherine how are you and I am the director of the center for contemporary arts Terry Johnson eight right now they seem to like the lecture here CCA we have exhibitions public programs the decent publishing makes decisions we do all sorts of things we went with us is from Northern Ireland and sensational peas we've taking have fakes on sporting matching practice they do that by really trusting us essentially saying ideas that could happen much with them to make them happen that takes center open Roman would you like to introduce yourself red robin on with this class is based in Belfast you should see it on your show as escape sequence yeah that's a coding term business right this is an escape sequence a sequence of characters that come represent themselves directly sometimes you want to use your use special characters so you have to put in more special characters tell compiled to ignore one thing and do another thing that it related to my practices lotus caves in in the workers in the show so comes from a desire to sort of escape reality to some degree stuff work except that and Martin says well that's not something you're trying to support here Catherine at CCA how do you feel very emerging emergence I suppose you could be an issue for nineteen for the I think this is not something I and we really consider fine get hung up on you making work and you've got opportunities just keep playing the game of transit at the make things contingent on are they getting funding location friend think what can I do for a horticulture and then if something does come of it how can I scale it I think all the time you just making work you winning it's an unusual stuff focus too much on the outcome and make it about an outcome I want to make it work for us not and that's really a productive this could happen in the document in order to have a good bench to contents in some cases you should put that make up our phones been a participant or need to have these things ready for something to come out of it it's more conventional keep making work zones one way fifteen whatever scale you get from the machine to simple sending it to you without programs he is B. exhibitions program take care thanks bye Dietz of questions and it's a cumulative experience say each show is looking at different aspects of the sets of ideas of questions and China have different rhythms going through thick projects as well say combination of sedation ETS increase chases different scales and to create something that people he'd come to us regularly they can see each shape can have this kind of experience the gap is saves that season but at the same time each day is completely unique and it's a complete thing in its own right say this year we'll see how much incessant CD eight in the second thing was time will tell us that each of the exhibitions for me to return he began with the idea of how the passage of time is taking effect for evidence of ways he spend time we've had two shows already in the season and I invited robin office seeing his left the state and some thinking about recreation and escape and ends that was the starting point and then it's become this completes type units and it's I kind of said they showed up in seconds the last five years that is really nice to be able to bring it together and %HESITATION states he has something new which is %HESITATION drawing on the walls project with my siblings and exciting showing on the side of the country the kids getting that many have his money kids taking pictures themselves thanks for the call you said you got us really been reposted from business let friends hit the building okay so it's it's a very pale it's painted pale whites and creams say it was just a scan for it they're our neighbors up says with very kinds and lets us board up the windows that we could just ten our society into a blank canvas for speed pretty great yeah yeah there's an element and I guess it's you're turning on the head the idea of public arts a little bit could be handing it over to the public a little bit and it's very visible from the Derry walls safe and did they give you a bit of a community feel when you get past people passing and I suppose it you must be capturing terrorists and so this time of the year with their Halloween festival coming futurists yes the Spanish yes Sir can from where I live kinda on the side the it's you know so it's M. may see it's being families with the kids during the during a yeah sort of some of them helping it's been a really nice mix I think this is being process the awakening the walls events that take place in the three nights ETFs Harleen kids during Halloween is just enormous fifteen thousands of people coming to the city this week yeah we've had to queue pretty much the whole time but and people have been just watching what everyone before them is jeans SMCP keep migrants like somebody took the opportunity to tell that girlfriend they left them and everybody you for well tonight through his girlfriends and stuff on the net are you love them if you forget how to spell their names you have to read press hard on the eyes but some people seem to have the next commission posh out really quick on this is this year so it's funny that getting the right shin on the fact that we using yeah but if the knights of drawings and we have lots of highly anything say pumpkins and gays yeah some sixties yes really nice girls actually and it's sort of like he this unical yeah very good go to the referral and yes it's being them and some people just making shapes which would be some of my favorites such U. S. kind of the %HESITATION taking along for a look that that line is laser on a building and it's huge while to come back said the idea of time passing time is continually passing and %HESITATION hi we spend %HESITATION passing time and just to get into what's actually in the exhibition as well it's not just human time being passed it's a long time it's been passer in Durham you were made for the exhibition the school feeling about the state and the cat ready for a number he's got a residence in Amsterdam with %HESITATION I was basically cat sitting for %HESITATION not sent to the and he's carried into a place plan because they were estimated completeness and it's been itching at this instant bills some kind of automated please play insulation please and what was your help support can't raise put this to rest together in your head you come back down from the start I have to find a way of making this physical and ethical and yes about three months ago the state unable to skate it unfolds you can fit in your car you can carry around city tickets contest that it states on account right second one so I was taking around Belfast two a number of different places have cats and just put me on the street enjoyed it plays cat music because we can hear in the background %HESITATION by composer David tie in to it with and %HESITATION behaviorists to work out what frequencies cats find relaxing and then into specified place nineties right James already like what it plays back the videos of the cat raves the phone is of mixed today use using the same techniques I would've done VS garrison visuals in March of this kind of time together a number of different strands of my credit card to send my love of cats it's call laces in the topics that sort of message content kits for cameras and you can you can control the fire nor the maybe it's just that simple right about yeah so the best can't raise any gallery to ping pong table which is four thousand entities on the first of all the companies with senses that triangulate where the ball hit save that came out was to make sure escrita speech Johnson that thing from table to coach nine years ago the seven at the at the cultural integration where that data is going to lead us to %HESITATION indispensable instructs it pretty often that was yeah that's the kind of work I really like the gigantic inflatable confused ahead for the public just double down on his brilliant and Jim Wright said his many head injuries is is from the a copy of the the local one his his predates the office he did the fitness center they have a certain side by side yes that's the first one but we were on the big ones it's been a big one say you think okay okay and I was looking to get it's scaled down I did like the first versions fifteen entities in test cricket in fact I got my first thoughts comes around to second one just slightly upgraded and upgraded to nursing it folds up runs around if you switch on switch messages to be they got a three foot work from which festival which was sent from two into the regulation should have with the slight risk people McCarron trying to see themselves reflected back to what they want to do with their action in insulation for work I have a sense works this one rule standing very still sat very still it says traces of American saying that if you the closer you see yourself in this narcissistic seriously making these pathways and the other one is yeah yes Makedonski right that sounds or because it says seven of the last five years with coding and this I think got returned carry free a lot of the code he's been reused says of his most of retracing the motion of waves on motions of in plane catches in the way that worked in different systems and ending up spending time studying this kitchen is replacing them in the street for pricing back into the work say in that run through this one yeah it's great the support kid friendly the Terrigen adults to think is the way one of the ways that surround themselves to play with each other and see if the grass might need to move toward one state is trying to create an atmosphere should be one of the nice things about doing a project outside models and really read playful yeah with it was reviewed some of the tax thirty well with the cats and there's something about eight actually trying to bring up your case and bringing about the end of the day yeah the gold okay and the idea was always to build structures that have cameras built into it automatically apply you can't related content the internet with them yes by the end of the status of Christmas cat related feedback loop people that live networks and services and %HESITATION just get back to the nineties state media you take care of it happened in the seven X. yes Sir it's been tends to be booked for the SPCA in Dublin even next year the big cat shelters biggest cash up front and it is open to the public and we're gonna put the put the sculpture in that for the kittens on the live stream it with our help and find that yeah I don't remember and if it's not yeah that's the problem yeah it's a fascinating area I'm just thinking of by and hi you know our mobile phones are just so much a part of us with the coming inside works because they're just part of who we are nice and everything seems so easy on them but of course there's this behind the scenes really complicated network of lots of different colors and stuff and information and junk as well E. Duncan things I mean do you think your show rains up to life events as the license or I mean this is this looks in it I think there's always a tension I mean how much to reveal yeah of the technology success I will waive he is also upset where formula because if you just run a magic %HESITATION C. wants to hide the ball was in the senses and just make it with and it didn't it didn't require the latest code intervention I think now mmhm for B. as interested in in presenting the technologies of examining heresies but in reality that in the show I think there's a lot of currency in doing that I'm just still happy in this particular case of playing with the idea but it it runs on much of the I think yeah I would the police report if I did that was the technology is very much on display there's no point hiding under his desk popular it's the other way of talking and saying okay support during the war what size for a table for the second one is that it just runs out on the latest stuff so if you get on TV which is cable city yeah I guess yes is is that looking hold on yeah do you want to see send anything about your previous work things demethylation market was C. matching air pollution it took a few projects which was an activation %HESITATION experiment so please so I had a at the July payment to those hooked up to a condition census eight not again a few and printed it was later spent any dis laughter yoga I've done a residency right in your own city I projects around occasional didn't know what form it would take originally was going to be so so around sound and sort of mapping because there was the medium for the pollution and for the sounds of recording in different spaces Dr academic I couldn't in the end fine cut on your staff to collaborate with scientists and it is a way of making a photographic places worth having super quick how come you should plan to them but the community art projects working with this flight package with kids where they were during the late the image and sit and slide into place the image back line by line the TEKLYNX version you get the kids to walk very slowly with a lot pension fund investment rules what they've added drawn into the space and you see the average potentially appear in the finder on the back of the camera man that happens like a magic trick and they will get ready sauce for me like it before we get the same effects with the scientists in the snow already gets light painting loans version photography into this to see it coming in front of them and luckily yeah that works when tried at first time in Delhi the ministers of recruit enough permit scientists to make the project with Wallace is by the way it's going to take the images and I was able to repeat it in Mexico and Nairobi and Uganda and I'm just just about to go off to Ethiopia and of next month can do more with it that works is if the artist conceptions making it look as if they had been put under a microscope and it's up to it draws in more points of lights represent possible speculation the end of this fiscal record with images that you can surf contest is both looking at me to see the different professionals and that was very successful in its coverage I think it the perpetrators as more information just across the river at flood doing things like three D. ease criticism to level project the analyst and does the job and can devote callous coming up and then something else space indispensable how great which is great the terrifying school St Catherine height it's your cats one he really enjoyed that he was critical for a bit and kind of slow playing like he was just checking it out and then yeah he was often off on the top of it try to look into one of the holes in it since it's in Louisa pouncing nice say again I definitely definitely had a good time we would not say if he did not like the answer that I left the room yes that would mean disdain and he would have checked to see that his distinguished register he's one of those cats right or office even though it's on excellent yeah he really enjoyed it it's cute but they're small screens than as a third baseman what's %HESITATION my cat really likes watching cat TV sucks this whole channels with content of counts before can't choose thirty go teach you a new search videos the number one auto complete suggestion is for half price as to not all of us were cats the H. how long concerts or squirrels or mice one that laptop TV sleeve for the cat to work says whole area of the internet and not colonized by cats before for transmitting with that that music plays the music for cats is playing and my cat when he was in seven to the videos surface and that he was really listening to the music you could see him cheating in thinking about city thank you reply him some noise he's had it once before on the radio and he was just kind of %HESITATION dedicated to he did he got tackled project office click here on his lost a second race one week when they're playing music for cats yeah not no that was the thing that's my cascade to thing about no se company Reuters company just came popped aside right yeah that perhaps shouldn't shipments nothing less %HESITATION that very much of her choice this mission for Merion hopes just respond yeah the password tweet we're instilling it was intensive it's still set up this will be fun axles so Catherine I mean it's a few days and hi eighty feet it's going less agents coming into the gallery so far I mean the lesser than some basic I'm really popular but one of the issue itself inside I read he expected the show to be a popular one and he sits right hands they're all interesting looking things you can interact with yes that is how it's being with head to lazy people three does we've been acting like because of the weakening the world's projects we just had hundreds of people each night the ping pong table has been picking up pretty much yes it's been hit pretty constant he's also we've had two kids and say yesterday we had three dots and he would just bought their own Huff ten holidays and just played for a long time and %HESITATION say was taking up the yeah the outside this kind of love that we get people wouldn't have to complete examination pattern yeah it's really good and art can be fun yeah yeah there's a profound unity with one of the things the show and recreational on there hi to trouble and well %HESITATION drug yeah we've had unsurprisingly the facts that cats are not high stakes it's being severity nice points on on the Seychelles and people pasting fatalities it's been really really good fun and so the mobile disco as anybody fighting with this nice to personally article about one goal at the eight nine always takes time I'm a fan of the six back to they haven't expressed a command to account right thanks bye we would to be to Catherine's we could do special dates at the end so I'm sort of thinking I think it takes a while so as to get that something yeah I think this sort of thing where you could easily say something I can't go well that's always a nonsense word replacement glass yeah yeah you couldn't get in people's heads from the concept of account right that's not for humans to our technicians do is take a reading side to just buy a tear of it was so cute to maintain pace to forex the flat only online yeah that was gorgeous yeah this debate seven or something all we know there is interest we know from the cat ages but yeah we'll see how it carries we can maybe have some business yeah either of you from the bottom right desktop friends this morning because posted yeah it's just to show people that this is the thing that's yes Tony rail it is very reps for your car close yeah no it's it's all sort of thing it's like this is the best idea humanity's ever happens but we have to do this you come up to it what is it yeah with do you want it tell us right where can people find you your use on Instagram and Twitter websites any of that sort of stuff that you can find CCA online and so website CCA dash Terry Dutch Londonderry dot org and you can find a link to order a social media on that and I put on Instagram Twitter and Facebook and we have lots of links to robin's sections as well right now great well thank you both so much and good luck with the rest of the issue just one thank you he's been listening to audio visual cultures that are very special guests Kathryn him all right and robin price escape sequences on at CC a Terry on the dairy until the twenty first of December twenty nineteen and is supported by the arts council for Northern Ireland Derry City and Strabane district council with additional thanks to Coldwell and Robinson urban centers and the sandwich co this episode was hosted edited and produced by all the players and the music is coming going to bear children licensed under a creative Commons attribution non commercial license and can be done noted from CC mixer dot org other signs that you've heard right the episodes are 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Audiovisual Cultures episode 54b – Derry Girls episode 1 analysis part 2 with Dr Andrew Shail automated transcript

24th Dec 2021 audiovisualcultures

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it’s not girls garrus garrus garrus the vowels are very different in the northwest and they are in there ace hello and welcome to audio-visual cultures the podcast exploring arts and culture production I’m Paula Blair this is part 2 of our double episode in which dr. and Rochelle and I closely analyzed an observe episode one of the channel 4 comedy dairy girls many thanks to our members at patreon.com forward slash a V cultures for your continued support we could really use a lot more so please do listen to the end for details on ways to fund this podcast which is free to access but not to make and for ways to get in touch for night do you enjoy the dairy girls nerd first I’m Friday in the first meeting of team Jackson which is my Friday 11:00 a.m. so my group I will get one of them to tweet surgeon Monica Jackson and say we’re having a seminar group is named after you we’ve got it paused roughly where we finished in the last session I just wanted to point out that just look at social news face she has proper comedy physique I think she’s really physically expressive and funny I call it clowning but not in the you swear it means somebody goofing planning where some is very carefully playing a part which is funny just because it’s large and Penta might Megan but also I mean you go Claire’s Jen thanks declare and Jamison I’m so confused it’s dressed and the big sister of the week earlier threatened as staring daggers there’s quite a lot going on picking up where we left off the other day which was the 13 minute mark and of course we have an outbreak bear and we have a reprise of so that is informally made to be they’re not the series but as the episode at least feel like it begins the first serious isn’t it comes back again at the very end or maybe I miss remember and move did you bring the cranberries back at the end of the series but I think it’s their other big

lingu so weird about 13 because structure is determined by a box limitations in which you have to work it’s advertising that’s another reference isn’t it that your average lovely fans person who knows nothing about Northern Ireland would just fly past them so why is it that Michele says it declare player whose clutching a book which has got photographs of African although actually maybe she means that Clara is Bobby Sands because Bobby Sands is she’s aa and she’s on a fast Lisa McGee thought how can I pile in the dairy specific or the northern islands references it feels like it’s gone from right I want these freezers I want these colloquialisms I want these Ulster isms are want these references to Northern Irish Ulster Ethan how can I get there in the least clunky way while also building characterization Clare’s ferry she wants to be socially aware but she’s also quite hungry styrofoam we would say she’s a quick nerd a hunger strike her and that will be completely lost in your on 90% of people in the UK people in Britain they’re most likely of heard of Bobby Sands because that’s the only person to do with anything to do with our republicanism that most British people can name unless I mean this is a few years after hunger coming out which was really widely seen so this is a reference that’s actually culturally quite to the fore in the past 10 years as well I would argue I must have met them not having seen hunger and being English I didn’t know you’re a bit too young naqshi because it was 1981 so idiot he won that winter did you just call me young I said you’re too young for this right but in a very specific situation I can hear you’re young for this you’re a win okay but maybe here’s a relevant point listen McGee’s not from there and if you’ve grown up in parts of the country where there are murals everywhere of this man because he is the fierce he is literally the face of the Republican movement when we were in Derry we did see that yeah we saw murals of him there’s murals of him all over West Belfast ramírez FEMEN diary as well I mean Derry not so much but he is there he is that because it is individualized and him and even Michelle here who says bring Bobby Sands would have been a baby when Bobby Sands went on home yeah but it would be something it’s baked into the cultural memory it’s just part of the culture memory when I’m saying that you’re too young for this reference your mum and dad for example know who Bobby Sands is because they saw the whole coverage on the news the 66 days of his hunger shake they saw and then people ten years older than you for example mean even your older brother might just about feels enough to vaguely remember those speletons that’s how Steve McQueen out there from Hickory even knew but that was because when he was a child’s growing up in London he saw this happening on the news every day we should what type of my folks do you want to verify my claim that’s an example but people around their ages are likely to have heard of them and this is a program that is for young people but it’s nostalgic for a pass on of the past where people my age and older will be aware of them because it’s not just the girls themselves it’s their parents and their grandparents and at center generational so it’s not exclusive to you know it is about girls and these teenagers at the forefront but it’s intergenerational and nobody’s really excluded because of that I do wonder if the cast of Derry girls had to have it I

mean they’ve all been working long enough television mostly again a lot of the maxi are a lot older than their characters they maybe will have seen or at least in the war films i Conger and that’s not the only film about hunger strikes there are many and there are many things that are shown on television over there and like I say the murals everywhere and there will be some of that in the sizes well it’s mostly in the noise but there’d be a bit in parts of the site where some of them have grown up I’m just looking at how all those small collections and she was born in nineteen ninety three twenty four when this was being filmed so she’s playing somebody who’s eight years young younger members of the car Nicola Coughlin who plays Claire is closer to my age she’s in her early thirties I think you’d call yourself old I am working well I am fantastic only press those runs a great little touches just you don’t need to use this name it’s funny because these are old from a very overtly Cossack background and yet the names are actually quite I mean or allure and air but any so fast even you get the odd errand but Claire and Michelle I suppose through quite neutral names and that anybody could out of them but I lost kind to him any Claire some Michels were in my school when I was this age but then it’s actually in the cernium so you could cernium psyche Devlin you know and I wonder is that a reference to Bernadette Devlin Mikulski or I mean the name of McCool I think is the way a way of going you can’t get more Irish yeah you can’t no no me no that’s part of folklore and the cool so all it is a national folkloric being Schumer actually digging into that just a drill down on that a little bit because we know nothing about her father we don’t know if that’s her mother’s maiden name because we never hear grandpa Joe’s name I don’t think right so we don’t know if that’s that family’s name or it’s her father her unknown father’s name and so there’s this mythical fan McCullough’s a mythical giant she’s the offspring of either spontaneously reproducing mum or her mum and some mythical giant this is finally something I’m a big stickler for cinematography and in this shot the camera was just ever so slightly wobbling from left to right this frame so that the data rail behind them is violating the rule of thirds it’s almost exactly in the middle of the screen a little bit above the middle of screen it looks a little bit staged and yet the camera is just slightly wobbling from left to right like somebody decided we’re gonna create this little free song of it’s a an observational documentary rather than it’s fiction one of the schoolgirls being in the IRA I mean that’s so close to home anyway when I was at school there were so many girls with familial connections to loyalist paramilitaries and this is just again it’s very normal I was bullied at school and nothing was ever done the police because their dads were in the UVF or whatever it was they’re just so many I’m not gonna list them all because of this be saying letters are chewed up do it around where I grew up there was the UVF the lvf the UDA the L yeah loyalist freedom fighters there were quite a lot of groups and they were all fighting with each other because they’re all dealing drugs on each other’s patches let’s pause for a moment on this composition where we can see the wings doing these frames just talking to the girls and they’re about to say no you perfect but it’s framed so that he’s saying this completely sensible thing of whoa you know practicality dictates since people have to go to the toilet I obviously need to use the girls toilet so he’s sensible but the framing is shoved over to the left side of the frame looking into off-screen space because it’s sealing always ask what can I see the ceiling and that just makes everything feel a bit wrong he’s kind of crammed up to the edge of the frame usually when someone’s looking off into off-screen space left you put them on the right side of the frame but now it just looks like he’s looking up against a brick wall yeah so that force out is the fact that he’s gonna get an answer which is just utterly counter to the sensible shadows cast fluorescent lighting that’s on the ceiling of the disco corridor and then there’s shadowing on his business shadowing over his eyes that make a tiny bit sinister and saying the most innocuous thing yeah I think the school scenes were found and hunter house school and Belfast and you mentioned when we were watching a later episode in series 2 that they were in the Strand any spot there’s a bit of painting back and forth between darian yeah it’s mostly the external locations that are in Derry do you like secretly in the privacy of your own head call it Belfast girls I think it’s just a bone of contention because it doesn’t bother me because I understand the production contacts and there’s more studio space for example I think the house is useful I think that’s an actual ice it’s not a studio that’s Erin and oral is home I think it’s an actual house but then the street where they film of the exterior is a different street because I’m just looking into locations where things are filmed at the minim it’s a strange one because I think there’s just tension between the two cities quite a bit anyway so I think it’s a real bone of contention that this is supposed to be dairy but a lot of it’s about nothing dairy people don’t really like very much but nobody else is terribly bothered because it’s just such a great show and it’s been so important and it’s been received so well everywhere else that’s really all that matters I think know that I’m sad we did on the London Irish yeah yeah we basically said that this was a necessary precursor to dairy girls because it was the process of refining a common tongue that was essential before creating something that was this sweet anyway so we’ve done about eight seconds what I wanted to point out is that James is just gonna be constantly coming up against this the oddness of his surrounding yeah he’s the proxy character for most viewers that’s it that’s it exactly he is the way in like it’s such a clever way of doing it vo it’s a channel for comedy this is the first episodes people meet me and hear me speaking here in England and it’s just like we are from different worlds what was this crazy play a girlfriend you know but I get and the things that I’ve realized seems normal to me we’re not normal at all and then most of the rest of the country I come from it’s just culturally there’s just such a massive difference and to see that through the eyes of a teenage boy especially and this otherwise homosocial world of girls is quite fascinating and that he’s a boy in a world of girls he’s making that funny noise and that just he’s framed like this it’s layer after layer after layer of saying he’s on another planet he’s just got order confusion because it’s like that I mean I know so many people who have moved to Northern Ireland for work for example they come from England and they’re like what so so if I have a crisis pregnancy I can’t tell you anything about that or what is going on here politically there isn’t that was a brilliant little moment where Louisa Holland without being the central character in the frame off to the left of the frame always doing yeah just silence it for a moment and we just watch what she does we’ll go back a bit and we’ll just see that yes so close heaven moment of frickin ice is like my brain sugar is dangerously low she grabs Michelle and Aaron’s as you grab stimuli and so Monica – later first names difficult and often the left of the frame just staring off into space Louisa Harlan just at one point she picks up her right hand just lifts it up to her face looks at it and puts it back down again I think it’s got something to do with the right she’s one of those bracelets

does it they’ve all got a clown and I suppose there’s part of the comedy here is just five clowns together I think if you went through and just decided on the character you were gonna follow I could just date right so much the one where all is doing step aerobics and she’s overdoing it James just asks her a question she goes I have had it with you with your pet Kevin your Becca just because she’s a bit tired in so much suffer omics but is there a build-up to that throughout the whole series does he constantly ask questions because you see the thing is that he’s somebody asking moods or questions and a place where you do not ask questions that is not safe everybody’s trying to be very guards because everybody’s surveilling everybody and if you’re asking too many questions even if they’re genuine I guess why I get stressed I even people crash me all the tanks and make wudu you ask them the question honest genuine because you know I grew up in a place where you’re worried if people who ask lots a question so when I say are you doing is that what you care live in a bit different that’s just part of saying hello to me maybe it says it’s like he’s genuinely confused some flummoxed and he’s bewildered he’s walking around and this constant his body language just says I am a lost boy the whole time and they’re so confident in their identities and who they are and what they’re doing and what their role is in this dynamic and he just hasn’t got a clue yet interestingly when they’re shooting Jamie I’ve come back a bit again and the shooting James looking at them he’s standing just inside the doorway but when the threshold on the counter coverage he’s actually well past the doorway so they’ve obviously they moved in a little bit when they shot and then fantastic editing decision when the doors about to open you see this here you can see there’s almost like a doorway there yeah Sarah standing inside the corridor rather than eating the doorway that he was in there yeah but it’s probably significant that when he centers just his own shot he send a threshold space he’s not and he’s not right whereas if they would have put him in the doorway in this shot he’d be covering them up and so a bit of cheating there they have then edit to a short way we can then have that reveal of the door in the background opening we don’t even see system Michael and the site personal Claire was the key marketing wasn’t it this was in the very first trailer where you see this right first we have to stick together and then immediately she’s throwing everybody under the bus and exonerating herself it’s set up that she’s I am mad with hunger texting fishy hasn’t eaten since her breakfast she’s good man we need to a better timing here because that midway conversation ends at about 14 minutes 2018 when they’re summoned to office

sister Michael says or you might want to think about ways enough and she looks at her bracelet again and again goes to have a bit of all of this is Lisa McGee splitting yourself off into five different people this is Gabe because this is the first of the closer encounters with sister Michael and the girls and just a reminder James has included every time we say the girls he is one of the dairy girls and that is absolutely confirmed at the end of season two when he’s self identified as one of the dairy girls who’ve been introduced his sister Michael as her shelf and the assembly and who stays with just everyone but this is the start of a really special dynamic a special relationship she’s gonna build with this particular group of kids it will be a antagonistic relationship episode after episode of episode until something like the fifth episode of the second series I feel like antagonism is a but strong like I feel like she’s she’s the most common interlocutor it’s not like she’s an anniversary it’s not as strong as that she’s their foil almost in a way but then there’s a faction there too so garrus garrus garrus yes yes yes like I’m not necessarily that gates I’m a bell fashion I mean I should not be at open and airy access you know it’s not the colonial thing I’ll tell you what it is it’s because dairy so that we better work that as the lore goes dairy was a said eight when Belfast was still a bug I suppose be next to the sea I’m sorry the capital is the Industrial Revolution was not my fault that’s what made Belfast was all the factories that ended up there on the river lagan let’s make a nice project it just be a count of how many times one of the characters says Garrett’s because I think it’s a market I think that Erin says it quite a few times and Michelle says it quite a few times these McGee’s price and bio facets curves its market are all girls it’s a G you girls girls we see we fare ours say your owns as well you don’t say many other sounds but you do say your R’s in your own right you know if you get Londoner to say it would speak go girl let this thing go there’s just a girl pushing air out of your lungs why your mouth makes a weird shape man you know say your taser or any of it another’s clearly not the voice of a girl from Derry say no no I can’t verify how a girl who spent all of eleven years of her life in Derry she’s sounds like broad Belfast try and do dairy to me nice girl playing veena little tiny bows in her hair yeah quite cute brilliant yeah and this moment virtually happened to a positive pond where mr. myko says are you intimidated and she smiled and then she goes oh you’re serious no no I’m not in doing it either it’s quite fun because that’s the only time they see gonna make that face during this entire episode because the rest of time she goes see how this I don’t even know the axis name here she stirred so much with her mice yeah soon so many big ships of their mice and the expression and the sauce away she holds our Bali and chefs her head and stuff oh you’re being serious because that is how we do it’s way too much movement of head and face bodily way of speaking especially when you’re given sauce OS at night what do you get met it’s a full body but maybe why getting all these characters to become clown versions of their teenage selves is quite easy because the family’s quite physical okay and we’re in detention and is the end strength isn’t it when it’s something like 16 minutes and 59 seconds per James he’s going through something that’s just him being English I mean he’s Irish cast like who’s been brought up in London he is London Irish but he’s a boy he I mean he’s basically the patriarchy not the pastry hurricane and it’s just this basic human needs to go to the toilet as be denied him you think of all the rights that are being denied we’ve already very early on in this episode has a jibe about abortion and in the last episode of this series Clare comes out she’s gay she has no rights she still has no rights none of these people have rights and 2019 hopefully by the end of October that will be different but as of right now when we are doing this screening and recording these people do not have rights women people who need abortions people who need that kind of health care people who happen to be interested in people who have similar things to them and their pants they’re not allowed to do stuff it’s just really interesting that this is flipped on its head so that scare quotes English colonial oppressor or the cipher for him the cipher for the patriarchy has this basic human need and right stripped away from him it’s a tiny little bit of pretend revenge a bit yeah but it’s misdirected because this is innocent child has done nothing wrong to anyone ever and I suppose if you’re gonna make a political statement with a piece of fiction then pushing it several layers down beneath the surface and making it just that there’s this vague sense of misdirected revenge yeah is I suppose quite an effective way of doing it I suppose it’s also there’s this white English dude who has gone from having everything to having basically nothing in this base of the day but actually that’s a normal scenario for all of the people that he’s suddenly surrounded by actually yeah we’re gonna find out in about three minutes that his mum’s gone back to England just left him she’s abandoned I mean this is a guy who’s just lost everything Nick he thought he was our temporarily or his mum was staying they’ve been ruled him in their skill but maybe he thought that was just temporary while they were there or they were all gonna stay and whatever yeah this is such a shock and that everybody’s so unfeeling about but it’s actually more okay if they’re just not capable of showing tre emotion I mean it’s interesting because the only person he ever mentions love in any way is Jerry who’s from the south because we’re in love and it’s even quite guarded and not quite sure it’s we love each other that’s a bit a year slightly terrified what he says because I think Mary is genuinely terrifying she is a proper austere man and of course starting off another focus because this film this film cinematic it’s quite a cinema episode I think I made up an Irish on the blackboard I’m gonna do this I’m not very advanced in my learning of Irish so I’m not gonna know what it said focus you put it on again okay so I can actually read it did you burn me a tiny bit burned you I think you just made an assumption that my memories better than the back says just burned yourself mentally you got to be metaphorical burns all over your body sexes quite see that one but let’s try if you got Gaelic characters on your its own any of these keypads if you just hold them dine you can get the special characters up you should have it on your sayings huh

not quite sure what’s this carlini but that means girls know if you just hold the ladder down I’m gonna try translate hey be quiet girls me if I see you see you or the next movement be silent you’re right I haven’t learnt this yet I am learned an Irish but I haven’t got this far yet I think that’s carlini which i think is girls don’t you know that queer girl come off as queer girls so when you put the whole phrase in that’s interesting so it could be be quiet girls but also possibly list with queer girls may be foreshadowing miss shows sister Declan on the blackboard with the blackboard a focus in the background and all this out-of-focus elements in the foreground as well it means that the only stuff that’s hidden from her and I’m hand-cranked bench okay I have a special place in my heart for hand-cranked pencil show because I spent most of my PhD in a room which was pencils only

gonna sharpen your pencils and I would I’d wear a pencil a month at least that was the only noise that occurred a part of significant source of sniffing because it was a temperature a little slightly wobbly shots was something that hits me again social Monica Jackson going I know my face is funny I am going to be in here and my origin something about comedy is that sometimes in order for a character to just be told by another character than being silly the other character just momentarily needs to just become not a clown people need to kind of flick back and forth between being clowns and being straight people so when Michelle says Christ Claire you’ve basically just skipped lunch class suddenly the sober person in the room but then in two minutes she’s gonna stop being so because she needs to do her clown thing of telling James to shut up again just like we had with James before we got social Monica Jackson looking off to the left even though she’s on the left of the frame that’s like air of everything being a little bit wrong because of course she’s about to say better Bend not be my diary that’s funny dude try and see what’s in it because Aaronson some sort of collage on the front let’s take a look at that and that was that was Monica Jackson saying that in turn I think without moving her teeth apart to do it make no sounds anywhere but up your nose I’m going to grab your fuse

you had a diary like that when you were not quite like that I did write in a diary but I didn’t like we got this thing happening in the foreground between Aaron and she’s not gonna just be the person in the background is that always always accent oh they’re always like she’s surgery and Finch emotions and failing the bell and crazy that’s typical shot for this series isn’t it again we’ve gone back shot with one character on their own everything except for them is out of focus on their own everything else never focused they’re on the wrong side of the screen and then looking into our screen space those four characteristics create something that’s a bit odd ball a bit powerful and it’s a bit teenager II everything is awkward nothing fits he has to

person and dairy saying what about my civil rights and the fact that her response doesn’t get in the corner it’s just corner and he has no choice but to go and do it yeah interesting the sister Michaels from the South but sister Declan there’s no it’s not a Catholic girls school staffed by people from Ireland it’s

Claire o’clock the phone which insisted that consent and I think it’s partly it’s the choreography that’s involved isn’t it you have to know exactly what everyone’s gonna be measurements need to be taken because that licking her face as well when the camera hits her that’s a she’s like sandwich and it’s quite good too messy that I camera hit somebody by rocking focus to them because suddenly they turn from big something that’s not a person into being a person yeah so just being wrenched into personhood like that it’s quite a violent action I just have to write down the exact time at which it becomes a brother/sister Declan has indeed died so it’s at about 1858 that’s about the five six mark I think it’s really building to a climax and so that of course has to involve music short durations reducing so edits become more frequent which creates is higher rhythm of punctuation and most people moving around as well but with social Monica Jackson being the one person who’s not moving it’s yet again an indication that Aaron is the most normal of the characters in this in the protagonist has to be just about the most normal even if she’s kooky in a million ways as well I think all is the end of character to whom they could have given the job of Aaron’s halfway out the window and she’s looking back into the room she can see James’s penis journey solving it she’s not actually looking at much as we generally practice causing it such ways to make sure that no one can see that Louise the Harland turns the focus rack it is so funny because Chauhan miccine it’s just the least restrained person and really just not religious and she’s very sweary and she’s an activist assessor Eiko she’s just straddles the line between being totally straight-laced but also totally badass at the same time mm-hmm and that’s just Foley sound isn’t it does have something in there is some sort of shaved and liquids situation happening over there and the SFX when you do like a special effect that such a in camera but yeah we’ve got the Foley signed the proximity is right up against it really isn’t it off the sign point of audition right there it’s right at the pen that he’s pissing into amplified Isis a day’s worth so matter

they look like they’re squeezed under about four chairs I just love that we have parents because the constants in Sasuke’s Harlan Oh nail quite similar who plays Erin’s mum Mary she has quite an expressive face as well and she can do quick funny things so that and she has played quite a lot of straight characters she knows she’s done a lot of drama work and some comedy work as well but even in the comedies it’s quite a straight up character type thing he’ll say funny things whereas Mary should just let loose as Mary and so she’s the first one coming in of the parent group and it’s the face it’s the Goffin it’s the eyes it’s the judgment from her face they’re getting burned with this judgment from her face as she walks in drives at about 19 reintroducing conflicts that we left off at the three minute 55 second mark that we left off about about one-sixth of the way yeah it might be a nice opportunity actually while it’s still on Mary and her look because she’s got quite annuities look I think do you know that drag of one decade into the next yeah it’s got a sort of a tease cuz there’s got this quite chunky straight jacket on big quite loose clothes big then this jumper with massive flowers big roses on it and her hair that’s as if it’s not quite a permit or it’s like one of those half perms but it’s still quite oh no she’s somebody who probably uses rulers Bochy as in their an episode where you do see her and the rollers isn’t there gonna tell you what you yeah it’s just somebody who does the rollers and her hair she keeps her hair quite short and tight and very blond but yeah there’s just some Sun about her because I remember being quite young in the early 90s and I was so a lot of women dress and like that from that drag from the ear days yeah I was gonna say she looks quite nineties but nasty she looks quite dainty I like Sarah and contrast beside her she’s got a choker on what’s just very 9 days those were around a lot and then int she’s got the hoop earrings got her hair in and off done things really tight really tight rows isn’t that quite heavy me yeah whereas Mary’s hair is quite old-fashioned in a way because she’s got a kept back but the tight curls Sarah’s got this thing going on where she’s got quite a long fetid coat it looks like quite the fed’s green vest jacket and a pair tech genus on so she’s quite trendy for the mid nineties so there’s this contrast between the choice esters mismatched sister comedy very strong stuff Jenny older and younger and then you with Jerry who’s working man he’s a wee bit tiny bit disheveled but not unkempt he’s Tigers he’s been driving all day he’s been driving all day he’s been getting her around all day

years it’s got a tired like he’s got wizened hair there’s hair there but it’s whis and he’s got facial hair he hasn’t shaved for a few days cuz he had some time he doesn’t have the self-worth he’s got he’s got a shirt with the top on button it’s a blue shirt as well blue collar worker open jacket normal choices he’s just no reckon guy very harangues doesn’t need this right now I’m grandpa Joe’s bringing up the rear here I can quite something he’s got the wee baby as well he’s going on some bull shot the previous-generation just rocks up yeah fills the entire framing goes what are you doing Geor this would be my dream would be the spend off or it’s them in the seventies to start a 70 last generations the girl feeds that’s an excessive amount of crosses on sister Michaels desk isn’t it like some red everywhere no just crosses the crucifix that distinction between across yeah and of course this is sister Michael who in a later episode in response to one of the school kids saying should we pray for her is Michelle’s mother and her nurse’s uniform yeah was it Reese’s uniform somebody at some point in every combat uniform I think it is actually specifically with that really prim hair thing on somebody at some point has to say the phrase it’s Health and Safety gone mad about something which is complete just making you not be blown up that’s it sister Michael just sits and spectator on the world and that’s the first indication that that’s how sister Michaels gonna rock isn’t it so she’s got this extremely busy shop masses of stuff on the desk in front of her but in spite of all of this Catholic regalia she’s singing behind it just going

not actually gonna stand up for next people’s thing people have just given her this stuff over the years great bow Barry globe I’d want to know what’s on the other side of this there’s a picture frame Harris well given the other pictures we can see the room it’s probably Jesus and my paper Oh Marion it’s the only one that’s facing to her that be never Shea and that is I think about the fifth Northern Irish ISM of the episode isn’t it it’s dry right and we’re gonna hear that about five or six times it is about what should anyone would be on I didn’t know that crew and this I think you told me get to meet class dad this is Claire’s dad I yeah okay robust unless the thing you can’t he’s actually I don’t know who some of these people are like there’s some quite big people that I recognize really a lot I think there’s a lot of people here who do a lot of theater I don’t know them but like he’s just comment and they say well you’ve so in the show for a minute if someone’s at right you have to go onstage go in from the camera and deliver the two lines sure the we robots do all the back and work and then just turn to your right and go so killing nuns now is it even though we got a lot of James confronting this world which will refuse to interact with him and which is just impenetrably incomprehensible we do also have Aaron in the same situation as well because she’s saying look can everyone please just realize what just happened was wasn’t and then we just have everyone consenting to someone going yes that was an early death he hadn’t had a good just on the stay there in these jobs till they literally died and then is the basic commentary that the whole series is making is yeah if you’re a nun you will die on the job specific Pope Herbie ever nearly 98 years of age she knows that she’s got a hilarious face mm-hmm that Pope I don’t think that’s the current Pope at the time because it was Pope John Paul the second at the time because he was put free edges his books who ate most of my early life I think there was a list of popes six century 7 there’s been a good couple on Judaism 12 7 there we go okay John Paul’s predecessor was John Paul the first it’s like a pin to this nut it’s not really a photo that looks like plants the 11th it was poked between 1922 and 1939 wonder how old this school is what was it called again then immaculate like it was already immaculate maybe they’re referring to maybe that’s a Victorian school building that in this fictional world that were in he was the first sovereign of Vatican City from its creation as an independent state on the 11th of February 1929 mm-hmm seven years through his pontificate because I thought actually I mean I was wrong about thinking but it was a much earlier Pope because I thought it was actually the one who was Pope before the first world war who was leo xiii so not quite that early the one who was Pope between 1878 and 1903 but still this is a pre Second Vatican Council Pope significant then they just want to make it look like it’s a really dusty old school and actually she’s probably inherited a lot of this stuff that’s on that task having fun lit candles is quite significant now of course the hospital aren’t saying it was a failure but this is one of those suspension just belief things about fiction is that things happen a lot faster fictional worlds than they do and again we’re back to where we started which is teenager going what do you need investigation for an idea here a woman died of natural causes what more DNA’s few watch James is iced by Laura’s bacon and the slow emergence of realization and everybody’s face or just making for an errand stuff out loud so there’s a girl is Lisa McGee takin a piss out of herself did she maybe write something like that when she was a teenager but they’re right early girls right early people of that time they thought of themselves that way cuz I tried it when I first saw this I tried

its edges and because actually the time that you spent with these young people they have but they haven’t got clear what is really going on because they think they’re so hard done back and all teenagers think they’re hard done by all teenagers think that life is awful they’re so oppressed everything’s hard work whereas actually I mean they’re our kids our age actually plumb bombs and actually are insurgents and the combatants and the conflict and they’re actually privileged enough or sheltered enough all around a later episode when there’s an orange March going past my house she just say she thinks it’s cracker yeah it’s great interaction or Allah sort of embraces that it’s the performative nature of it she’s somebody who likes performance and dance and structure and dressing up and being a bit unusual in society and it is when you think about it people in bowler hats and orange sashes it’s not really that far removed from a disco dancing costumer do you know what I mean like there’s something very performative by even the way we dress we’re seconds away from me we’re just gonna end the episode in the middle of a sentence moment did you notice that credits goodbye so fast we’re gonna do this we’ve got the five girls including James I’ll just go back so we don’t miss anything hmm all right so far girls fine but it’s the next one that got me so there’s my Mary I’m Sarah sister Michael dad’s Harry Grandpa Joe they’ve got the West’s per meter the name Mecca honey that’s my baby Anna Hopi Tina there’s Danis David Donley retaining soldier Johnny Joyce Jenny’s an interesting character AXI there’s Ashley I think that’s Jenny’s friend yes yeah there’s all these other characters who do really interesting work they’re smaller characters but yeah it wouldn’t be complete without them really sister Jacqueline dear Djem allen and sean devlin so sean devlin played by David Ireland so kudos to him for be able to deliver that line Oh killing nuns now is it a is it dragging up yeah Mullen is Michelle’s surname did I can’t remember I was James’s our new Miss it different McGuire that’s quite an Irish name and then winter hmm anybody in the crew you Anna they have Armorer’s cause they have armor is business guns drawn filming some effects so there’s some VFX sir maybe that’s the Derry girls you know the gable wall peered thing that yes Papa CG and the probably had the CG things I’d actually maybe buildings and the distance that weren’t there at the time if maybe had to just paint them out there we should load of people from now then I would scream – quite a few exact producers it’s a loser McGee also being one of the exec producers presumably because she’s part of the production company they said what to make it I know there was somebody called Michael annex I’ve been getting that wrong I feel like there was a Michael Michael annex on my loose a makeover but there’s loads of people called my colonic so it’s probably not the specific London and I did vaguely remember born and raised in County Antrim made his first short film in 2008 2010 made his TV debut with the 30 minute drama called Eclipse which is an episode for the eighth season of the British TV series coming up then he got an went into the MA in fiction directing at the National Film and Television School in Beaconsfield which one screaming this part of the bafta NF TS stars of tomorrow event collaborated on a feature film hives directed the short film Boogaloo and Graham in 2014 he’s working on his debut feature film a patch of fog and of course interesting this just lists films his Wikipedia entry buddies doesn’t mention their egos at all the same Michael AMEX it’s the microloan extant no and they’re sorry girl sir yes we see if you got Michael Alex just takes you to the wrong name gets Wikipedia after all there’s some great people contribute to Wikipedia but things aren’t always the right thing it’s not always the right thing and IMDB either these aren’t exact Sciences for casting crew Michael and there’s much up with this one Wikipedia I haven’t watched all these people do hey I’m a 15 year old kid you then look at the mug shots it was applied for everything these are people who are clearly mid-twenties the ones for Louisa Harland she looks like she’s 30 and that one and probably is so do you feel like you’ve got enough for your diagram oh I’ve got enough for 10 diagram small problem though is that I need to make the diagram be a bit wrong yes so you need a proper version and a fake version yes and the hope that your students will be cunning enough to figure it right save that and save a different version which I’ll break man feck shut up how long does it take to [ __ ] up a thankin diagram no I mean even just your pencil on paper version is pretty extensive it’s very heavy at the start especially it piles in it settles into its troy acceleration yeah there’s so much establish and work goes on and it’s been really fascinating to pick it apart and really look at the details I mean it’s something we can do with film a lot and do we necessarily do this with television shows a lot maybe to actually what am I saying I am sure televisions do this all the time but I do know how cozy does anybody ever go into this sort of detail on any face yeah whenever I do really close analysis of films when I do counting short durations it does tend to attract mild but always affectionate is Gordon just you know why

he wasn’t just some mathematician I think it’s brilliant to introduce up to students Vic they’re these ways of looking at culture products and then there are these quick scientific mathematical ways of looking at cultural products and these can work together and that’s so exciting yeah we can apply science to what we do and that’s really cool weird being in with the precise you measure something being able to answer something with a precise amount that’s not to be sniffed at I want to say as well because comedy I think is really undervalued and I think so many people don’t realize how much work goes into comedy like to make something properly funny it’s a surgical precision and tremendous trial and error and getting the right people it’s huge amounts of work because it’s the writing in the first place but then it’s also the actors that you hire and to trust them to do what they can do I mean we don’t know how much direction there was for the small things that we were picking up but we’re not in focus and that most people watching these things will not notice them the stuff with Ford is sweet breath but how many people are gonna have tweaked on that she was doing those really subtle nathan’s and that those in those little interactions and those you can see the internal monologue going on that’s all really wanna better not have a sweetie you can see you’re thinking it through and that’s just one of five main people and that’s not all of the people like as we mentioned the bet parts you would say but they’re more significant than that because it’s people’s parents coming in and they are very occasional characters but those actors do so much with those characters when they’re there when they’re on the screen because I think we see Claire’s dad again in season two we definitely see deer jig in Michelle’s mum and Aaron and orders from the unit or the central unit but you’re gonna see a lot more extended characters you’re gonna see me a verse there’s gonna be familiar from the chepe there’s gonna be really well-rounded characters here on the in it for one episode ever I’m naming you got the ongoing joke of all the nuns have male names but then there’s the joke of a lot of the characters of the keep coming up against have pantomime eclis Irish names even though they’re Northern Irish they’re essentially indistinguishable from citizens the Republic and vanilla from the chippy is a prime example of that very common name it is spelt it depends there’s different ways the way I know is Fi oMG it’s a half of those letters are unneeded so but that’s the problem with anglicisation because they have use they have inflections because learning the bed of Irish 9 I’m learning that but yeah there are a lot of letters that are drops there’s a word it’s about Miss but you say ma if it’s confusing and but it has meaning in the written language biggest Fonua right if I n ula and that’s why there are people whose name you have names like Brunner where letters have dropped out of it I suppose we can hardly talk because Owen has been anglicize we still keep a lot of GH Spelling’s on words where we don’t know

because that would have been plus all those gh gh Spelling’s corresponding to a at least in pronunciation which is why some know it’s useful exercise and we’ll see how your students get on with it

you’re giving them options for how to approach studying cultural products that’s really important you’ve been listening to audio-visual cultures with special guests co-hosts and reseal this episode with hosted recorded edited and produced by Paula Blair the music is common grind by air tone licensed under a Creative Commons non-commercial 3.0 license and is available for download on ccmixter org if you like what we do please help us make production and distribution costs with a regular payment to libera PACOM /pe ie Blair or one-off donations to pay pal Donny /p EA Blair episodes are released every other Wednesday please rate share and subscribe on your chosen platform to help others find the show visit audio-visual culture store wordpress.com or follow av cultures pods on instagram uh Navy cultures on Twitter and Facebook for more information and useful links thanks so much for listening and catch you next time you

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