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Audiovisual Cultures episode 80 – Alice in the Cities with Dr Simon Ward


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this is audio visual cultures the podcast that explores different areas of the arts and culture of production with me Paula Blair visit Petri on dot com forward slash AP cultures to find out more and to join the pilots I am really delighted to welcome back Dr Simon wars we are going to talk about it the film Alice in the cities from nineteen seventy four directed by some vendors Simon is not experts in German cinema in German culture Simon thanks again for joining us I'm talking to this economic German cinema you chose this film for us to watch together well not together or separately very very separately and cope with times but to talk about it together yes yeah I would just like to I just first of all tell us why Alice in the cities well the first reason was this was back in March which for everyone is several decades ago and it was you know it was answered this it wasn't only this March but it feels office in my finger and it was when we were starting out on the journey of looks and one it's cool and it seems like to watch a film that is about the journey in a time when Germany's wasn't possible just seems oddly appropriate it's a film I've been teaching for ten fifteen years I've always really enjoyed it and every time I go back to who's enjoyed and it is a very German film in many ways but it's also in many ways a film which is aware of the gradual collapse hold a coherent German culture in the face of American cultural imperialism which is very much present in the film because we've had lots of things that have happened in the past nine months so one of the things that my colleagues in government currently engaging in is T. colonizing the curriculum and and this film is very much a film by a white male traveling in very privileged fashion through a set of landscapes where the restrictions which might be placed on other people is not something the vendors is critically interested enough to see them I'm very aware of that as well and since we're watching a film by a white man on his journey and in your notes you've raised the question of race will come back to that as we move through it is a really interesting but I want to talk about and felt just at one particular moment but it's it's it's also road movie I don't know what a road movie is also something the road movies this is very much a road movie in the sense that it's driving around in a car it belongs I think to a whole set of road movies that were made in the states no easy rider Bucks a subset of other reference points from the early seventies which I think Venice is sinking I think there's no doubt the Venice is seeing those road movies and maybe talk about know that leads from the lungs in that tradition it will work for his well not so much to other American road movies but to the one decent British road moving but if you haven't seen this calls upon political radio on no I haven't well there you go so I think that you can't watch radio %HESITATION without having this in the city I was in the city to having what five easy pieces they're all part of the tradition of men on the move and it lost and there we are so that's true but that's just a set of rules I'm not next one of the things I I should say is that I approach this these objects I'm not a film's gonna per se I started off in German literature and expanded through economic necessity and interest into film and so when I read and watch a film such as this I'm equally in June to the mystery miss all vendors his own cultural influences and all so delicious of German culture per se so this is a film but it's also deeply embedded in all sorts of the forms of German coach will travel may be referred to but not going to teaching so you were in a sense you are you coming at this from the ads from Mars yeah yeah right side much less innocence shooting them probably in a good way not to all the kind of reference points of German culture arcane these things yes so I'll let you start with the first topic you want to talk about and then well something I'd like to pay it and the pop as it were as it might be useful to think about hi I watched it because as you say I've come to this very day it's you know I've seen this film very long time after it was made and released I watched it on my phone and I think technology and its production is also important in this film it's a long convoluted story but I watched on my phone because my laptop that used to be a windows laptop is nyla next laptop when it comes to anything less I jeans anymore but I was given an old iPhone that I use all the time night so I have my I. chains on my iPhone and that was how I watched the film so I just want to put that out there in case it's of interest because there's so much by on a log and this film and what we think of as old technologies that were brand new technologies back then and I just thought there's something going on there without it being situation that I had forty to actually pull it up on a certain level it horrifies me yeah did you have your phones then when you were watching on your phone or did you what was the sound the environmental signed in which we're watching %HESITATION suppressant as a ghost so I think I had my headphones and I mean the image quality of of what I've seen and again I've never watched it kind of remasters decisions so you know I mean that's not get ahead of ourselves let's not imagine there is some kind of authentic cinematic experience I was in the middle of the road movie I I watch I've made the Belmont in Aberdeen which I'm sure you remember portal they somehow got hold of the thirty five million passion of vanishing point system we never seen vanishing point it served taking this road movie from about nineteen seventy two so this is somehow the offense experience at this I was watching the thirty five watching this film on an eight inch screen just seems it seems we even look at what it is but it doesn't I suppose brings me he took me to that point where Alice so one of the first points in your notes was a figure of the child so let me start with the side you're viewing technology and one of the things that one could think about this idea of the child is a child is innocent uncorrupted is is very much a theme of German I think that sentiment saying of culture per se but it's also very much a thing of German cinema in the early seventies something not like Caspar Hauser by van a hat so always worth a watch and this is most of them related to German culture post second World War is this is a nation which is kind of lost its language and its traditions cultures holding %HESITATION isn't by what happened up to nineteen forty five and so they're in a sense this generation which vendors at so fast in there well the gender explain to their %HESITATION kind of meat they're all kind of children who are being nearly condition and that said the child is something that they returned she frequently so we have a child here but this child is already in so many ways these were corrupt is not the right word networking vendors actually presents it as corrupted she's just curious she devours all forms of technology with some of the Germans on on four four hundred on a lack of prejudice it's not the kind of technologies that to you watching this film on the opening is actually very much in the spirit all of this with the philosophical pulled a on the other hand of course to some extent the way these images that are being protected apps Allison presented is then quite so much fun it's just like sports at this I'm I'm thinking of the same in the airport where they're waiting to leave I mean this is like so into the states in the nineteen eighties and one time I went to the U. S. is nineteen eighteen decide did you could get and beats have a safe way to start your own telling you put a coin in Mazen this a lot in there by the way in which images are being presented to people through technology and so in a sense you're entirely correct and having watched on your phone and I think as well I've worked with so far too much I have this tendency to just watch stuff and then just in final you can watch it again and becomes I did the same things other than this phone call wings of desire which the first time I watched it I have seen anybody does watch this film having heard this discussion will be ramblings probate this is quite slow but there is a narrative ninety first missile wing to decide which brand is made in about eighty six eighty seven I saw about nineteen ninety hi Scott this is never seen in Venice before as slow as the norm and of course now I'm itching to it it's like mine well I love the comparison was made as the Ulysses Ulysses a book which I don't think anyone should have to rate an incredibly privileged is cheaper to have read it but it's kind of one of those books that you can just kind of now I can just throw myself into an infant wins is not kind of places and function and Alice as well and I could see what she thinks anyway I'm so gonna very primitive distance here where I can just spend time watching wasting I think my major point but the child really we're doing that then this is interested in how these children are being gradually conditioned by the technology around them so Alice's playfully at this point in her I think Alice comes across and she's also crucial to the development of the male character she comes across as someone who just plays with whatever technology comes to hand but they do have talked about ten minutes there's something you need to Alice is a real driving force in the film I was thinking yesterday when I was re watching clips are meant there's so much bites her false memory or gaps in her memory but also the things that she will just pack up and take on not truly social takes a Polaroid camera and just start and cheered up a using it or the television screen as she say or just the way said she occupies space yes no show lockers away in that bathroom stall and things it's really fascinating to watch it from today's point of view because there's so much paranoia arrange adults and children I don't think you could make this some day was not given you have to say about the storms it's on makeable whenever I teach my students I don't quite give them a content warning but I didn't want to say I want you to think about it hi vendors convinces you to go with us to suspend whatever distrusts the work or whatever you wanna call it you might have about this particular situation I think of course you Khan will attend to the vet can you recommend realizes the film is called Alice in the cities and so therefore there's a fairy tale the mention in the way that it was Alice in Wonderland and I think that's a fairytale dimension it's kind of hard to the point here that things will happen here which are not part of conventional wisdom mark it's not realistic it's not meant to be realistic and not send them in some kind of narrative sense at all so we were in a kind of fairy tale world tell me a bit more but this false memory I think it's trying to find the grandmother it says visit if we roughly guideline the FOMC summer ready done not yet and we're filling the sky it's Philip isn't that and he's supposed to be a writer and he's supposed to be turning around the ass and he's trying to write something about eight different places in the American landscape something vague like that but he's just got this writer's block but he's playing around with this Polaroid camera it's brand new technology at the time and so there's a form of writing and images city takes on they're not quite right images he can't get the framing that he wants and it never turns out right but then he encounters a woman he's having difficulty I think at the airport with language barriers yes and she is trying to get to Amsterdam but her daughter Alice a bunch of stuff happens and she ends up essentially abandoning her daughter with this guy and he tries to get her box somewhere but they end up trying to find where her grandmother lives but she can't remember what time it is and so there's the road may very well one of the roads turning sections of the phone is driving around these different times to try and find the another choice after they've done this trans Atlantic flights back to Europe there's a lot of him lasting going straight back in nesting right words today he sent yeah the best answer I was financing really old because it's almost like she's toward him through the say yes at some point and then later on she reveals the photograph the goal of this hangs it's really difficult to try and work out what the psychology or the motivation of Alice in any of these things is I don't know the answer to that really comes across to me that Philip is actually the more vulnerable person because he's just trying to get rid of this kid but he wants her to be safe she becomes his responsibility but they're all these popsicles or there are just things that to work right right and he keeps getting stuck with her she's very confident in what she wants and what she needs read how nice cream night you know she's just I think you know to to some extent Alice's psychology is basically of the moment it's very direct it's very I need this night I don't know how old she is supposed to be eight maybe eight or nine or something or not certainly pre pubescent very important for the film but this kind of a sense in which you just and that this is the point is she's just Iraq in a way that these apps everything is mediated between him technology in the in the windshield of the car everything is always mediation Alice of course given the directness the experience of directness and of course what she then also brings is not childish playfulness which all the innocents transforms him to some extent over the course of the film and a classic way the film is you know the Japanese not where we were going it was the people we met along with along the way I hate to use it for that every time but what makes the film really is how vendors demonstrate source stages as it were these moments of connection these moments all experience sensual it's sort of the the reawakening of sensory perception and Philip he's someone who as he says in the saying in New York where he meets his friend you know he says and she said I think she says to him you you've lost all sense of connection to the world it's always a problem for me this is what the film is to what extent Alice's function as a figure to person in her own right or to what extent she serves is mainly serving and not plot device with a kind of particular purpose for the male journey it's a problem I don't think then this can ever sold is from within and wears an Alice in Wonderland it's Alice's journey on this no one else for whom these journeys being made I mean I was the one that itself is deeply problematic Charles Dodgson thank you for explaining the plot it's one of the reasons why this is the phone to go to because this actually is the one landers road maybe there are three of them made in the seventies just one actually with the plot I'm with the kind of direction yeah so Alice is faulty memories interesting because again I'm never quite sure what her motivation is why does she remember later on this vehicle photograph white you know not sure should be asking the question why but you know there are all these quest you try and reconstruct and hope that helps you get and police station or something she explained that it has had enough and takes it to the police station so that they can take care of our own and he goes off to a Chuck Berry concert in a way that becomes I don't know if this is the first time we may not be the first I'm pretty sure it may well be the first time in Avengers movie where someone's walking the street and they see a poster for a concert and then they go to that concert this is kind of like this is urban cultures he goes off to this company comes back again and then she's kind of waiting for him and he's caught can you say okay right I'm obviously you're obviously not going away so we'll continue our quest to find the home that could be a transition point talk about the music maybe yeah definitely Chuck Berry is amongst the so what was your impression of music so there's that distinction between the non dietetic music that is accompanying the film and setting a marriage in certain scenes but then there's the needle drop music so quite naturally because it's often that you see it being played on a check box so again you got those new technology %HESITATION you know new yes technologies background that are very very archaic she asks not only this scene that really sticks with me today with music is and the cafe there's a child lunging her on to the site to check box I am so yeah there's a idea of children taking up space second the song is commentates on its on the road again and of course it slightly ironic because it's a one time when they're not on the road yeah seven American music and there's americana in the cafe quite an American style check boxes while yeah that's kinda song that's the one that had really stuck with me and I think because it strikes memories for me the cat that's by the check box it's sort of transports me back to being a bite that H. and hanging around in the video rental shops that I lived near plan on our kids are just looking around at the videos and already you're just making a nuisance of myself basically up space and an adult world and then so I think that's why that say No Way stuck with me it's an absolute literature and vendors will frequently say in the last twenty years he say all if I was making my old films now at Cox much more frequently which I think is just loaded nonsense causes a quite clear reason why he's deciding to have these extended things and this is clearly engaging content the song on the road again takes I measured it once by three minutes fifteen minutes late last night on the exact length of the saying is of course the next song so it's kind of like if you imagine a music video this will be how you would do it but of course as you rightly say nothing happens in inverted commas nothing happens is actually a hell of a lot going on but he's on the center of this thing is going to be the length of the song that's what's gonna happen is kind of recording of times at work of time passing yeah the kid budget books is great so you said that you books the jukeboxes American culture and the ice cream parlor is Italian and this is part of what's going on in in the film is these are post war interventions on the German in German culture German I mean he works in the road at sign is being dug up everything is in transition so in a sense we're on the road again we're we're not actually settled anywhere tool we're always on the move and Alice and Phillip or not getting anywhere there on the road but the cake with his I think he's wearing baseball pants as well he might well do I have to go back and this again that the he may have may have to just remember them thank you want to sing on your phone I'm pretty sure he's wearing sneakers I think they're actually baseball style thanks again influence American culture this is he's in rhythm as the music plays he's lent against the juke box on the return of the juke boxes coming into his body and he's you can hear him singing the whole time he's coming as well absolutely right this also coming in the songs so it's it is a real residents there one of the key words that I I'm trying to go on about this but one of the things that actually interests me thanks this is a German sociologist and I don't really care about the sociological perspective he's trying to so with the fact that we're massively distance from this horrible alienating worldly says what we need to recover is a sense of residence between ourselves and the environment we live in it's all of the new agency in a way but I think that's precisely what's going on here with this Boise there's a residence that's being generated between music and the body of the young kid and I think that the residents of rock and roll listened when he from this perspective find very difficult to imagine so this is Chuck Berry sequence as well where Chuck Berry sings live it's a concept Exeter of Chuck Berry singing Memphis Tennessee which if you go and research Memphis Tennessee it's a song about a man is disconnected from his child that was probably quite deliberate choice by vendors so I think the music here is essential because it is a bite the rebellion this implicit in so much American rock and roll and the win which that's taken up in western Europe in the fifties I'm so vendors has an ambivalent relationship to America percent which we see rain in the first off what you called the first touring it is a film where we see as it were negative America will come backs up maybe a little bit matrons thing about music a little bit more we have the new drive on the road again we also have Philip singing humming under the boardwalk yeah the stock in the film when he's on the beach in North Carolina somewhere like that again these things in this America is very abstract to me until we get to Shea Stadium in New York and share it's really just enough each and Eric America which is not differentiation anyways just roads with the open water actions photography kind of being alluded to as well fenders is born in nineteen forty five their generation which grows up with thanks kind of cultural tradition with that bothers quite naturally until some metaphorically without a kind of patriarchal order islands where American culture is an escape represents an indifferent to the kind of soulless materialism of the German economic miracle until we find it really hard I think connect to this kind of very localized notion that you go to a cafe and listen to them this is what my dad did in the fifties but I think it's very strong and it's very strong for vendors and his friends the writer who's very influential on impact the hunter okay well I could talk to and car trying not still on campus he's a very in front again of two very much same generation I'm writes essays about the jukebox and what it means to him about how it kind of is a transformative object and moving away from traditions of German culture but at the same time as we see the fairy tale is actually very strong part of German culture as well still here and so so on the one hundred American rock and roll and then the other hand if we have crack rock the non digest eccentric is will you describe for me it felt quite hold time that was the man failing maybe a bit melancholic quite sides yeah I think it's against damages where you're looking at it speeches but they seem quite desolate tonight some black and white so you should know about yeah it gives it a sort of uniqueness and the American landscape that probably is actually there but it comes across as Blake because it's quite washed all rights and the gray scale I mean those are the main things for me I don't know a lot of fight can you check out that's not really it is I think holding this right I mean it's not the non digested music of a road movie where you might expect it's some kind of energy so if you think about it but on the road again in the way in which the energy of the music transmits itself to the bodies there's no energy to the sound track it's quite you know it's just that it's been different guitar you know single notes Upton Dino pigeons often done precisely not going anywhere there's no progression in the music whatsoever it's just the kind of awaiting us on the suspension but I think it's it you know it it underscores a relates the images never any interesting way that you have this sense of traveling but not really going anywhere not really going anywhere for seminal moving forward so exposed in terms of the kind of German American relationship it's quite interesting that you have this German music this abstract experiment I mean common knowledge the experimental fare and Khan had maybe one top ten hit I think that largely their music is again it's not something for the younger generation raining it's quite I mean it's really fascinating once get into and it's the other thing that's not present here but then turns up in the in the transfer of movie rating on his cross found which is electronic much we clearly electronic pop music so that that will come later than this really is just working with again a general this is all the same generation that they're trying to generate German a new German culture so using and is also part of that using the coach's been generation that time in Germany rather than going back to traditional sources and that's what's interesting is what about Alice in a way is that and so maybe the next topic which was one of your notes was the landscape of early to mid nineteen seventies German cinema now I don't have a whole lecture on this many times my line but one of the things that's interesting about this is that it doesn't take well a lot of film directors went during the time which was traditional measuring material %HESITATION simply transposing making a movie about because he knew the book has cultural way so if you take a photo of it and that gives the film culture when there is a kind of luxury source for this but it's not really it's not in the way that you would be the filming of a novel that there's a text about a journey through America but as we know if we watched it this is only the first twenty five minutes thirty minutes this from what your journey through American film is really about the journey through Germany it's quite interesting from that point of view that this is an attempt to define the German narrative and Martin German narrative then this is interesting because there are a number of directors in the early seventies who kind of come to international prominence that part of what's known as the German cinema which is a follow on from the initial kind of break with the past which comes in the early sixties when Watson called Oberhausen manifesto where the number of young German filmmakers and we fathers Papa's keno is stoked on his dad's cinema is dead we're going to start something new something out of office in the wake of prince you wave and so on this is the German first I'm being German restaurants much football stay here an intellectual as anyone who's seen any stroke creating films or Alexander to the films will know this is really tough stuff commercially I mean it was basically state funded there was no money in the industry for the kind of films that can guns from being wants to make folks enough wants to make so basically they were still being funded by the state in a time I think when state funding didn't quite have the negative connotations which sadly it seems have taken on nine under the law of the filmmakers of that first wave ended up working in soft porn movies because that was as it were where German commercial cinema when in the late sixties was as as there was a growth in soft porn so this is where they have to the technics victories to work and stuff so they did unless the result if not you have a nearly seven he's an attempt by vendors and a group of other I'm trying to establish their own kind of distribution organization called sim for locked out torrents of film publishing house of the out to us and I'm pretty sure Alice is one of the early films in this particular tends to as it would create a market along signed this rather debased commercial German film production it's very idealistic does he fails immediately well not me but after about five years it comes clear that there is no actually a kind of business model the user can you see the way in which our language is being destroyed so for a lot that we did have a business model but it was of the fighting against a set of vested interests which didn't necessarily want to win I'm also have course these are commercial artists and if necessary to get on with one another so I mean one of the things about hats open fast and there is that they are radical individualists they're not really team players they really interested in doing their own thing and eventually that's really what will lead to the collapse this then this is interesting and I think this is this is important really to think about vendors is whereas have something fast and it came to filmmaking without having been trained in such vendors is an absolute semifinal of the worst kind as I'm sure will come through in any interviews whenever sings with him because he basically said it was in Paris what can I find a six films a day in his mid twenties or so and he went to film school as well he has the level of training and while conditioning as it were into the tradition of film I think fast and enhance %HESITATION dump or then come off much more radically than just wants to make a beautiful film still always wants to make me feel so questions of race gender politics are largely with second to form to the aesthetic of the possibility of cinema means he will worry later on about the disappearance of cinema I'm trying to dress the coming of video but always in that sense something is being honest about the social connection anyway so that's N. as in the early seventies and this is an attempt to engage with what's going on in German cinema constructing a cinema that is somehow specifically German language I think to some not I mean although a lot of those issues that are not primary concern term that might not even be second results for him but he does manage to have a level of inclusion that a lot of the others just wouldn't anyway I find because we're just so alert to it these days and I mean I was I watched the film before a lot of fat you black lives matter really the up again this year but it's just something that we are and generally these days were more there to fight I mean watching at the early part of the seventy S. I was actually quite pleasantly surprised at how many African Americans maybe not characters but definitely there's a presence there and baby I think there's always meant that these are the work force and that there may be a silent work force but adding created them and it's specialized M. %HESITATION there there and then there's a really stark absence of stopped in Europe you know when they go to the Netherlands and then on to germinate so I mean that was just something that struck me when I was watching it and then of course so much of to be sick we'll have pain so Chuck Berry or music I can take that is very influenced by black musicians maybe that's accidental I don't know how conscious and if that is definitely not the forefront I just find it and that it was there and it was an acknowledgement that they start this is the state of things that's right one of those scenes when he's driving through Mexico for the Venice's gains is very influence on America's very influenced by the %HESITATION photographer for Grafton's on that kind of such a graphic projects he did in the science in the nineteen thirties so there's one point where he stops and takes a picture of slightly dilapidated Gary H. on this black dying kind of standing in front of two Garrett when he takes the phone we see from that taking the photograph on this black guy standing in front of and then when we see the photograph as it's developed of course on the beaches of the voter ID is it kind of helps in real time to get on the list the black guys disappeared and it says never what you saw is on photographs and the something about a regime going on that it's really quite interesting and I don't know enough about the whole Evans project and how to what extent he's axes the exercising the dilapidation of the science and how vendors my perfect now but that that was a really interesting thing because it speaks very much I think the vendor's being aware of this there's a really weird then we talk about the absence of a very homogenous white western Europe %HESITATION Saddam Germany the real complete yes again is this slightly %HESITATION big US kind of thing so the highest they finance it means what we should take this things in cinema is when they have this picture the highest and then somehow they've driven rind I'm just very interested in driven rang and rang this very industrialized of West Germany and it was last year and then we have to remember that it was Horace James the next or the last of the road movies kings of the road will actually take on board this question of germ division so they find this kind of resolution the only time an Avengers film we're actually anything came with some kind of conclusion and of course the government doesn't live there anymore and it's yes workers from Italy it also brought the Italian ice cafe as well so you know this idea that you can go home again there's no sense in that sense of a kind of nostalgia for Germany as well as your grandmother has left her grandmother's moved on but then there's another reading actually one of remember this or seen it written first because I didn't see the first and final as the wandering around this pretty darn big industrialized time does just one very brief scene of a couple of Turkish people it's almost like the accidentally come within the purview of the camera and then moved on and and they look slightly worried or offended or describe the same but the it's a very old man it's like vendors camera again it's it's vendors camera something since I'm documented it is from the times the camera kind of documents whatever it sings of documents the presence of these guest workers but it's not sure what to do with them the confidence the narrative that is kind of there and then we move on this will be something that at the time a lot of more radical some like Fassbender is actually engaging with the presence of US workers and their experiences vendors with his usual kind of distance which is also for the S. in these kind apologizing because it's Phillips this is the world and it's %HESITATION there's also kind of just it's there on my program yeah he's got enough problems welcome to the world as it seems I think for vendors and for that generation the Americanization of their culture is is the thing that I'm most worried about more than most reflecting upon and it would take a long time rainy before German history culture can properly engage with the present self say Turkish guest workers in there later generations then that's part of what it means to live in Germany and I think part of that is the language as well because there's this seepage of English into things and for that base competent with English you know when it comes to the rescue of a German person he has no English at all so their status even if Philip himself to somebody he isn't necessary engaging because there says Spurlock for him with American and culture the American landscape pickup right up by debt he has no words for it but yet he can communicates to a degree in English so I was wondering if you had any thoughts not or is that something that you'd like to happen so those difficulties with language and words the first point really is that vendors I think it's still making the organ which is crucial for older German filmmakers at the time that film is it is a valuable artistic medium that can communicate stuff on those different works of literature and it may be that literature is kind of over the film is the future and as the future cultural form so I think this question about languages of deep suspicion about language is something that conditions what will suit the limits of what we can say about the world our in our language itself and there's a very strong sense of that for the writer's block the inability of language to actually communicate the experience where else it rich calendar this is very much what Phillips going through and in the states does it again I don't know what to make a statement that the scene where he meets his commissioning editor and in New York and for some reason this commission and start talking German tunes well did you know that it's almost like you're one of the things you brought up with liminal spaces lease spaces are kind of space when language gets confusing culture tends to get confused and it's a really weird moments of Phillips almost like re entering Germany already in New York both that and then the experience with Alice's mother not at the airport by the way at the pond desk okay only say that because just by playing we don't go to a condom office in the city to buy a plane ticket it's such a fifty year old thing today I see amazing so there are these spaces were languages countries and I'm Saddam I think also that the singer is getting his hair cut is a really interesting one where Alice is kind of in control of the language and of of what's happened to so I think on the one hand the suspicion about language per se I suppose the image which vendors believes can be more truthful than what it communicates oversee than the suspicion is the way in which the image it's been commercialized American very famous in west in the kicks over the TV yeah thanks for watching thanks John Ford film and is interrupted by adverts is young Mr Lincoln and prescriptions the Lincoln and it's interrupted by adverts and then it gets so annoyed by this is this is kind of the suspicion of television he kicks a television over in a very rock and roll fashion this the idea that languages in in perfect communicator form where where's the image can do more and then there's the sense as well which you get I think in Germany of all so the coming off an Americanized English in the German landscape I don't think that's quite some melancholy I think I think that's just like it seems kind of inevitable thing obviously on the road again is an American song being played in an Italian ice cafe in baton probably one of the more German very German name I mean language will always be important vendors %HESITATION we can go forward to Sunday night Paris Texas we see in Paris Texas then this is kind of cumulative Rhode mansion where he actually sets a road movie in America but can't get away from Europe so meniscal Paris Texas the scene at the start of the film if anyone ever does well with fortune in this sense it's vendors film which is has the strongest narrative and hasn't touched you can ski in it and is very accessible as well it's quite long but it starts off in a kind of new Mexico toward the Mexican border kind of landscape where there's a German doctor for some reason and German doctor tending to this guy he's walked into the desert after years of wandering around the desert I know my figure and this place is between America and Mexico it's between Germany and Europe and it's a really confuse kind of land language doesn't fit hi there is this idea of language not fixing which I think the public at the number of scenes in the film I mean I think there's a way to tie that in with the idea of the Polaroid as well and things not setting and modes of expression or capturing images just not quite fitting you know eat because this thing with I was watching yesterday from vendors and conversation at BFI event a few years ago where they had been screening I attended a restored version of Alice in the cities he was talking about high the polaroids Hyatt dam in the viewfinder it was basically a gas it wasn't going to give you an accurate images so the way we can hold our phones up and we can see right that's the photograph I'm going to get it wasn't like that with the Polaroid you have to just figure it out just gas so your square inmates that Kim might it wasn't the squire makes that you saw in the viewfinder and so I think that's where the absences come and inclusions come that you didn't intend right so there's something there and by miscommunication visually possibly but it's a way of accidental writing for Philip when he he has no words words are not coming to him he has this writer's block do you know if they do not actually know where that product originated it's because it was Braun's bronze ni at the time no I've never going to get that sometimes that that really is because whenever you see any photo event is he's always doing nothing okay you know what my future and I think three is quite fascinated by the way in which the technology and looking through the camera shapes what we can see so I love this idea that you know the something imprecise about the bone because you don't think about that so let's never seem at times that in thing can mean so I'd read the example talked about earlier on but when he takes a picture of the dilapidated garrison but actually that is then a very practical observation about the limitations of the technology which is great and that's that's a softening idea and I suppose it may be it's similar with the photo base and that he you have a rough idea of what your picture's gonna come right out and it's quite immediate but it's still a bit of a surprise when you actually see the photos you know so %HESITATION because there's a scene where Philip and Alice are in a photo based because they just start messing about you know they just start down around them so yeah I can I think for me by this stage the two of them St still knows from Germany I think I think it is so by this point in time that both engaging playfully you know he starts off San Andreas game and he plays the game and so the both playfully engaging with this automatic technology there's no one behind the camera Mr innocence and entirely automatic persons it's really nice yeah they take control of it they take south face you know that they're taking sound right in nineteen seventy four so fever and then of course you know the polaroids would be the best probably for Instagram more recently so the icon for Instagram it's roughly like that so it's so square with the circle in battle it gives you an idea of the polaroids amity square and you can pay it pretty sure there's more yeah you can put a frame around your picture a white frame so make it look like polaroids by that statue he was talking is followed by tight the film a sixteen millimeter and meant by the time make major to call face it was just shot to pieces I really badly damaged and so they actually set this digital restoration from the original negatives and we're able to clean up all of the scratches and all of the terriers and allegedly splotches and everything so the version of it that I saw I think one stop digital restoration and it was clean yeah really really claim that Connor back in the day that makes sense because I don't remember seeing that person my visual memory of is of a very mucky and scratchy image but that's part of it I mean there's always something about vendors Q. rating and I said this before it is curating his legacy Olympics you know this is a man who spent ages and ages in Paris watching endless films that are being preserved as it were what's interesting about this is actually not I don't know if we've made that clear enough for me it wasn't Vallas is unsurprisingly that it's not by the eternal quest for the male protagonist to find his identity that's a very boring it was always a boring narrative I think I even I at the age of wherever I am and I was given up on not being even slightly interesting as American as a historical document them in certain ways that I think probably this film ends up to me it's the complexities of the sound track on the back and forth between the town and its launching this and then Chuck Berry and the energy of on the road again this friction the friction as well between the idea of having a narrative arc and then also having scenes which is like three minutes long of nothing happening are really what make the film interesting or still worth thinking about I think we would have this problem with films there are nine and this is terrifying internet forty five years old %HESITATION what's you know why what why I still and I I kind of confess this little bit I still will will be devising our first year film course last year I still searchers okay sorry Paula and John Ford well yeah I use that as a kind way of saying that this is also the ambiguity of vendors that are you know I want to create a German film culture but the tradition I take is not of invite heartland and fix lands in a big U. S. figure and then this is history of germs man sentenced to terms and that doesn't exist largely into a little bit later on in this number there's almost nothing of German film history in here a John Ford with a lot of said German filmmakers exiled from Germany early on I mean they are a huge part of what became only leads to come through the back door yes yeah exactly you know Sir that was thank you for your of your own yes and no other thing with the search as well as a it's just we need to get some my son he's nine thirteen I made an option because I thought well I the students who are going to watch this a much configuration they are so okay and to what extent the acting's not because this acting as if it's on yeah no exactly couldn't get that full on the narrative you could see the narrative coming three miles off or so it is and this is obviously the struggle I then have featured something like the searchers was thinking about what can we learn what can we learn with no %HESITATION films they don't exist in some kind of perfect version we we have to admire but rather than on the floors and the and the tensions in there and yet you still when they run their asses and I shouldn't say this but you know when they write their essays that John Ford was one of the great director and now it's so difficult yeah yeah you don't need to spend just won't but I think the vendors want strictly enough people undergraduates to start an essay is one of the greatest German directors of the twentieth century yeah I'm sorry no no no no no it's I mean it's an issue I think it's I don't know what it is I think and shouldn't signing I think we've all been through that stage and then you have to get it knocked out if you work you don't have to write a review just give me information yes don't have any of that you don't have to think it's amazing just information so I teach this film to German students to film students well I have a phenomena when I was teaching my rope with the course and everything I don't think I ever dared to anything that slows this summit not a German students like him and they don't it's not through the German this is all that they actually quite you know there's something quite genuine about this film I think because well in the way that he tries to again we haven't talked about the non representation of women in the film this is something that you can track all the way through all of his work to essentially women are secondary to the experience on the journey of male protagonist whatever you do with vendors you never going to get away from this problem welcome to come the uncomfortable misses the erotic relationship with women is also just quite blatant training I don't know whether you thought much affected corner yeah I don't know I think I was trying to be mindful that I was watching the famine twenty twenty yeah so I was trying to be reasonably kind with that but I don't know if a shape I don't really know and I thought certainly with Alice I find that Alice was quite genderless she was a child rather than a girl there is nothing really of girl hates there she was a yeah one of the things that having children in cinema is they've got to be able to and the performance is again it's one thing to make this film watchable really is the yellow ribbons performances so natural is not the word for it but it's it is childlike she has not and I don't know whether that's what she is who knows the minimum certainly comes across as very direct yeah for me there is a lack of being self conscious you know sometimes she wants children and cinema and you can see them working through the machinations of I am acting nine that's not their fault and you know and I think it can take either very special child or a very special patient director to get a performance side of a child that will not do that which is must be extremely difficult she came across to me as totally lacking in self consciousness is almost it this is like many gravitas check well I want to explain it %HESITATION and during this time I need to go to China you know and it was very things just right on the table this is may start on Jan like it or lump it meant you know the socks about a change I'm sure this is something to do with the fact that vendors rarely works in a very tight script and making this up you know I imagine it'll most of that scene in the in the ice fail ever recorded in the country with the ice cream they just sitting around and saying let's come in their hands I think that helps we haven't really talked about this is probably good that we didn't anyway my favorite sequence as a whole is another one I get my German she's think boxes are of course we're doing is really how long is the same as the airplane journey and the once you get the answer wrong wrong answers only other ones to say was when the plane takes off when it lands and that's not right it starts with them sitting in the airport looking on the window or that I'm missing ends with them on the travel later I think that's what it's called in in ship all or they're just being dragged along and then %HESITATION actually walking there's no walking in this because I don't have a German road moving without walking that doesn't make any sense Germans wonder and so the something quite important about the fact that this is a film about germs wondering that involves almost no walking Watson there's no kind of can you take some been Martin Heidegger going to mind is none of that it's old technology sized technologies travel which and if you really want the ski mask the next phone vendors makes false move which is even slower and has really just sent to male protagonist some second exercise and and how many forms of technology as transport kind we have known for a lot and I'm not recommending it but it's much less excessively numbers there was one particular scene where Alice is kind of walking through whichever application your don't know enough about you Mr York airports LaGuardia whatever and it's a beautiful thing to see it's like fifteen seconds of of her just walking through an airport looking at stuff who knows what's gonna happen she doesn't know what's going to happen she just bangs and stuff sticks around in the rubbish bin it's great do you have any final summaries I mean there's a huge amount for every ticket and say but I think that's probably quite a lot to cheer on do you think you have any sort of final roundup observations that %HESITATION what my final observation this is obviously a fairy tale there's a moment in the film where Philip it's almost like a transformative when we've become he is asked to tell a fairy tale and someone who's still stories left not to mention the very kind of bored you don't have to be actually throws himself into telling this fairy tale but it's a really weird fairy tale again it's a fairy tale which involves Lawrence it's almost like he's taking the German tradition of Grimm fairy tale and then destroying some lorries and you see this right to the end of the film as well when they're on the train its reputation among homes in your but it's kind of the token with extra and then train window inspector had sent the train is moving along the river Rhine at this point in the helicopter comes up and goes over the Rhine so we just kind of return to an archetypal German landscape but it's not like sign posted in the mafia's flag so I suppose my conclusion is there's something still very deeply German about this film but you don't need to know any of this from joint for great find Simon it's been really lovely to have you back thank you so much for sharing all these really interesting I chance everyone well it's been a pleasure I apologize for rambling I hope you can what if you can edit it alight but hello if anyone's watching is not seen the film that they did manage to go on more it's really not a difficult Washington please like comment straight there's not really in jeopardy no no there's no it'll it's not often but conflict they really help us thanks okay thank you very much
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it’s not girls garrus garrus garrus the vowels are very different in the northwest and they are in there ace hello and welcome to audio-visual cultures the podcast exploring arts and culture production I’m Paula Blair this is part 2 of our double episode in which dr. and Rochelle and I closely analyzed an observe episode one of the channel 4 comedy dairy girls many thanks to our members at patreon.com forward slash a V cultures for your continued support we could really use a lot more so please do listen to the end for details on ways to fund this podcast which is free to access but not to make and for ways to get in touch for night do you enjoy the dairy girls nerd first I’m Friday in the first meeting of team Jackson which is my Friday 11:00 a.m. so my group I will get one of them to tweet surgeon Monica Jackson and say we’re having a seminar group is named after you we’ve got it paused roughly where we finished in the last session I just wanted to point out that just look at social news face she has proper comedy physique I think she’s really physically expressive and funny I call it clowning but not in the you swear it means somebody goofing planning where some is very carefully playing a part which is funny just because it’s large and Penta might Megan but also I mean you go Claire’s Jen thanks declare and Jamison I’m so confused it’s dressed and the big sister of the week earlier threatened as staring daggers there’s quite a lot going on picking up where we left off the other day which was the 13 minute mark and of course we have an outbreak bear and we have a reprise of so that is informally made to be they’re not the series but as the episode at least feel like it begins the first serious isn’t it comes back again at the very end or maybe I miss remember and move did you bring the cranberries back at the end of the series but I think it’s their other big

lingu so weird about 13 because structure is determined by a box limitations in which you have to work it’s advertising that’s another reference isn’t it that your average lovely fans person who knows nothing about Northern Ireland would just fly past them so why is it that Michele says it declare player whose clutching a book which has got photographs of African although actually maybe she means that Clara is Bobby Sands because Bobby Sands is she’s aa and she’s on a fast Lisa McGee thought how can I pile in the dairy specific or the northern islands references it feels like it’s gone from right I want these freezers I want these colloquialisms I want these Ulster isms are want these references to Northern Irish Ulster Ethan how can I get there in the least clunky way while also building characterization Clare’s ferry she wants to be socially aware but she’s also quite hungry styrofoam we would say she’s a quick nerd a hunger strike her and that will be completely lost in your on 90% of people in the UK people in Britain they’re most likely of heard of Bobby Sands because that’s the only person to do with anything to do with our republicanism that most British people can name unless I mean this is a few years after hunger coming out which was really widely seen so this is a reference that’s actually culturally quite to the fore in the past 10 years as well I would argue I must have met them not having seen hunger and being English I didn’t know you’re a bit too young naqshi because it was 1981 so idiot he won that winter did you just call me young I said you’re too young for this right but in a very specific situation I can hear you’re young for this you’re a win okay but maybe here’s a relevant point listen McGee’s not from there and if you’ve grown up in parts of the country where there are murals everywhere of this man because he is the fierce he is literally the face of the Republican movement when we were in Derry we did see that yeah we saw murals of him there’s murals of him all over West Belfast ramírez FEMEN diary as well I mean Derry not so much but he is there he is that because it is individualized and him and even Michelle here who says bring Bobby Sands would have been a baby when Bobby Sands went on home yeah but it would be something it’s baked into the cultural memory it’s just part of the culture memory when I’m saying that you’re too young for this reference your mum and dad for example know who Bobby Sands is because they saw the whole coverage on the news the 66 days of his hunger shake they saw and then people ten years older than you for example mean even your older brother might just about feels enough to vaguely remember those speletons that’s how Steve McQueen out there from Hickory even knew but that was because when he was a child’s growing up in London he saw this happening on the news every day we should what type of my folks do you want to verify my claim that’s an example but people around their ages are likely to have heard of them and this is a program that is for young people but it’s nostalgic for a pass on of the past where people my age and older will be aware of them because it’s not just the girls themselves it’s their parents and their grandparents and at center generational so it’s not exclusive to you know it is about girls and these teenagers at the forefront but it’s intergenerational and nobody’s really excluded because of that I do wonder if the cast of Derry girls had to have it I

mean they’ve all been working long enough television mostly again a lot of the maxi are a lot older than their characters they maybe will have seen or at least in the war films i Conger and that’s not the only film about hunger strikes there are many and there are many things that are shown on television over there and like I say the murals everywhere and there will be some of that in the sizes well it’s mostly in the noise but there’d be a bit in parts of the site where some of them have grown up I’m just looking at how all those small collections and she was born in nineteen ninety three twenty four when this was being filmed so she’s playing somebody who’s eight years young younger members of the car Nicola Coughlin who plays Claire is closer to my age she’s in her early thirties I think you’d call yourself old I am working well I am fantastic only press those runs a great little touches just you don’t need to use this name it’s funny because these are old from a very overtly Cossack background and yet the names are actually quite I mean or allure and air but any so fast even you get the odd errand but Claire and Michelle I suppose through quite neutral names and that anybody could out of them but I lost kind to him any Claire some Michels were in my school when I was this age but then it’s actually in the cernium so you could cernium psyche Devlin you know and I wonder is that a reference to Bernadette Devlin Mikulski or I mean the name of McCool I think is the way a way of going you can’t get more Irish yeah you can’t no no me no that’s part of folklore and the cool so all it is a national folkloric being Schumer actually digging into that just a drill down on that a little bit because we know nothing about her father we don’t know if that’s her mother’s maiden name because we never hear grandpa Joe’s name I don’t think right so we don’t know if that’s that family’s name or it’s her father her unknown father’s name and so there’s this mythical fan McCullough’s a mythical giant she’s the offspring of either spontaneously reproducing mum or her mum and some mythical giant this is finally something I’m a big stickler for cinematography and in this shot the camera was just ever so slightly wobbling from left to right this frame so that the data rail behind them is violating the rule of thirds it’s almost exactly in the middle of the screen a little bit above the middle of screen it looks a little bit staged and yet the camera is just slightly wobbling from left to right like somebody decided we’re gonna create this little free song of it’s a an observational documentary rather than it’s fiction one of the schoolgirls being in the IRA I mean that’s so close to home anyway when I was at school there were so many girls with familial connections to loyalist paramilitaries and this is just again it’s very normal I was bullied at school and nothing was ever done the police because their dads were in the UVF or whatever it was they’re just so many I’m not gonna list them all because of this be saying letters are chewed up do it around where I grew up there was the UVF the lvf the UDA the L yeah loyalist freedom fighters there were quite a lot of groups and they were all fighting with each other because they’re all dealing drugs on each other’s patches let’s pause for a moment on this composition where we can see the wings doing these frames just talking to the girls and they’re about to say no you perfect but it’s framed so that he’s saying this completely sensible thing of whoa you know practicality dictates since people have to go to the toilet I obviously need to use the girls toilet so he’s sensible but the framing is shoved over to the left side of the frame looking into off-screen space because it’s sealing always ask what can I see the ceiling and that just makes everything feel a bit wrong he’s kind of crammed up to the edge of the frame usually when someone’s looking off into off-screen space left you put them on the right side of the frame but now it just looks like he’s looking up against a brick wall yeah so that force out is the fact that he’s gonna get an answer which is just utterly counter to the sensible shadows cast fluorescent lighting that’s on the ceiling of the disco corridor and then there’s shadowing on his business shadowing over his eyes that make a tiny bit sinister and saying the most innocuous thing yeah I think the school scenes were found and hunter house school and Belfast and you mentioned when we were watching a later episode in series 2 that they were in the Strand any spot there’s a bit of painting back and forth between darian yeah it’s mostly the external locations that are in Derry do you like secretly in the privacy of your own head call it Belfast girls I think it’s just a bone of contention because it doesn’t bother me because I understand the production contacts and there’s more studio space for example I think the house is useful I think that’s an actual ice it’s not a studio that’s Erin and oral is home I think it’s an actual house but then the street where they film of the exterior is a different street because I’m just looking into locations where things are filmed at the minim it’s a strange one because I think there’s just tension between the two cities quite a bit anyway so I think it’s a real bone of contention that this is supposed to be dairy but a lot of it’s about nothing dairy people don’t really like very much but nobody else is terribly bothered because it’s just such a great show and it’s been so important and it’s been received so well everywhere else that’s really all that matters I think know that I’m sad we did on the London Irish yeah yeah we basically said that this was a necessary precursor to dairy girls because it was the process of refining a common tongue that was essential before creating something that was this sweet anyway so we’ve done about eight seconds what I wanted to point out is that James is just gonna be constantly coming up against this the oddness of his surrounding yeah he’s the proxy character for most viewers that’s it that’s it exactly he is the way in like it’s such a clever way of doing it vo it’s a channel for comedy this is the first episodes people meet me and hear me speaking here in England and it’s just like we are from different worlds what was this crazy play a girlfriend you know but I get and the things that I’ve realized seems normal to me we’re not normal at all and then most of the rest of the country I come from it’s just culturally there’s just such a massive difference and to see that through the eyes of a teenage boy especially and this otherwise homosocial world of girls is quite fascinating and that he’s a boy in a world of girls he’s making that funny noise and that just he’s framed like this it’s layer after layer after layer of saying he’s on another planet he’s just got order confusion because it’s like that I mean I know so many people who have moved to Northern Ireland for work for example they come from England and they’re like what so so if I have a crisis pregnancy I can’t tell you anything about that or what is going on here politically there isn’t that was a brilliant little moment where Louisa Holland without being the central character in the frame off to the left of the frame always doing yeah just silence it for a moment and we just watch what she does we’ll go back a bit and we’ll just see that yes so close heaven moment of frickin ice is like my brain sugar is dangerously low she grabs Michelle and Aaron’s as you grab stimuli and so Monica – later first names difficult and often the left of the frame just staring off into space Louisa Harlan just at one point she picks up her right hand just lifts it up to her face looks at it and puts it back down again I think it’s got something to do with the right she’s one of those bracelets

does it they’ve all got a clown and I suppose there’s part of the comedy here is just five clowns together I think if you went through and just decided on the character you were gonna follow I could just date right so much the one where all is doing step aerobics and she’s overdoing it James just asks her a question she goes I have had it with you with your pet Kevin your Becca just because she’s a bit tired in so much suffer omics but is there a build-up to that throughout the whole series does he constantly ask questions because you see the thing is that he’s somebody asking moods or questions and a place where you do not ask questions that is not safe everybody’s trying to be very guards because everybody’s surveilling everybody and if you’re asking too many questions even if they’re genuine I guess why I get stressed I even people crash me all the tanks and make wudu you ask them the question honest genuine because you know I grew up in a place where you’re worried if people who ask lots a question so when I say are you doing is that what you care live in a bit different that’s just part of saying hello to me maybe it says it’s like he’s genuinely confused some flummoxed and he’s bewildered he’s walking around and this constant his body language just says I am a lost boy the whole time and they’re so confident in their identities and who they are and what they’re doing and what their role is in this dynamic and he just hasn’t got a clue yet interestingly when they’re shooting Jamie I’ve come back a bit again and the shooting James looking at them he’s standing just inside the doorway but when the threshold on the counter coverage he’s actually well past the doorway so they’ve obviously they moved in a little bit when they shot and then fantastic editing decision when the doors about to open you see this here you can see there’s almost like a doorway there yeah Sarah standing inside the corridor rather than eating the doorway that he was in there yeah but it’s probably significant that when he centers just his own shot he send a threshold space he’s not and he’s not right whereas if they would have put him in the doorway in this shot he’d be covering them up and so a bit of cheating there they have then edit to a short way we can then have that reveal of the door in the background opening we don’t even see system Michael and the site personal Claire was the key marketing wasn’t it this was in the very first trailer where you see this right first we have to stick together and then immediately she’s throwing everybody under the bus and exonerating herself it’s set up that she’s I am mad with hunger texting fishy hasn’t eaten since her breakfast she’s good man we need to a better timing here because that midway conversation ends at about 14 minutes 2018 when they’re summoned to office

sister Michael says or you might want to think about ways enough and she looks at her bracelet again and again goes to have a bit of all of this is Lisa McGee splitting yourself off into five different people this is Gabe because this is the first of the closer encounters with sister Michael and the girls and just a reminder James has included every time we say the girls he is one of the dairy girls and that is absolutely confirmed at the end of season two when he’s self identified as one of the dairy girls who’ve been introduced his sister Michael as her shelf and the assembly and who stays with just everyone but this is the start of a really special dynamic a special relationship she’s gonna build with this particular group of kids it will be a antagonistic relationship episode after episode of episode until something like the fifth episode of the second series I feel like antagonism is a but strong like I feel like she’s she’s the most common interlocutor it’s not like she’s an anniversary it’s not as strong as that she’s their foil almost in a way but then there’s a faction there too so garrus garrus garrus yes yes yes like I’m not necessarily that gates I’m a bell fashion I mean I should not be at open and airy access you know it’s not the colonial thing I’ll tell you what it is it’s because dairy so that we better work that as the lore goes dairy was a said eight when Belfast was still a bug I suppose be next to the sea I’m sorry the capital is the Industrial Revolution was not my fault that’s what made Belfast was all the factories that ended up there on the river lagan let’s make a nice project it just be a count of how many times one of the characters says Garrett’s because I think it’s a market I think that Erin says it quite a few times and Michelle says it quite a few times these McGee’s price and bio facets curves its market are all girls it’s a G you girls girls we see we fare ours say your owns as well you don’t say many other sounds but you do say your R’s in your own right you know if you get Londoner to say it would speak go girl let this thing go there’s just a girl pushing air out of your lungs why your mouth makes a weird shape man you know say your taser or any of it another’s clearly not the voice of a girl from Derry say no no I can’t verify how a girl who spent all of eleven years of her life in Derry she’s sounds like broad Belfast try and do dairy to me nice girl playing veena little tiny bows in her hair yeah quite cute brilliant yeah and this moment virtually happened to a positive pond where mr. myko says are you intimidated and she smiled and then she goes oh you’re serious no no I’m not in doing it either it’s quite fun because that’s the only time they see gonna make that face during this entire episode because the rest of time she goes see how this I don’t even know the axis name here she stirred so much with her mice yeah soon so many big ships of their mice and the expression and the sauce away she holds our Bali and chefs her head and stuff oh you’re being serious because that is how we do it’s way too much movement of head and face bodily way of speaking especially when you’re given sauce OS at night what do you get met it’s a full body but maybe why getting all these characters to become clown versions of their teenage selves is quite easy because the family’s quite physical okay and we’re in detention and is the end strength isn’t it when it’s something like 16 minutes and 59 seconds per James he’s going through something that’s just him being English I mean he’s Irish cast like who’s been brought up in London he is London Irish but he’s a boy he I mean he’s basically the patriarchy not the pastry hurricane and it’s just this basic human needs to go to the toilet as be denied him you think of all the rights that are being denied we’ve already very early on in this episode has a jibe about abortion and in the last episode of this series Clare comes out she’s gay she has no rights she still has no rights none of these people have rights and 2019 hopefully by the end of October that will be different but as of right now when we are doing this screening and recording these people do not have rights women people who need abortions people who need that kind of health care people who happen to be interested in people who have similar things to them and their pants they’re not allowed to do stuff it’s just really interesting that this is flipped on its head so that scare quotes English colonial oppressor or the cipher for him the cipher for the patriarchy has this basic human need and right stripped away from him it’s a tiny little bit of pretend revenge a bit yeah but it’s misdirected because this is innocent child has done nothing wrong to anyone ever and I suppose if you’re gonna make a political statement with a piece of fiction then pushing it several layers down beneath the surface and making it just that there’s this vague sense of misdirected revenge yeah is I suppose quite an effective way of doing it I suppose it’s also there’s this white English dude who has gone from having everything to having basically nothing in this base of the day but actually that’s a normal scenario for all of the people that he’s suddenly surrounded by actually yeah we’re gonna find out in about three minutes that his mum’s gone back to England just left him she’s abandoned I mean this is a guy who’s just lost everything Nick he thought he was our temporarily or his mum was staying they’ve been ruled him in their skill but maybe he thought that was just temporary while they were there or they were all gonna stay and whatever yeah this is such a shock and that everybody’s so unfeeling about but it’s actually more okay if they’re just not capable of showing tre emotion I mean it’s interesting because the only person he ever mentions love in any way is Jerry who’s from the south because we’re in love and it’s even quite guarded and not quite sure it’s we love each other that’s a bit a year slightly terrified what he says because I think Mary is genuinely terrifying she is a proper austere man and of course starting off another focus because this film this film cinematic it’s quite a cinema episode I think I made up an Irish on the blackboard I’m gonna do this I’m not very advanced in my learning of Irish so I’m not gonna know what it said focus you put it on again okay so I can actually read it did you burn me a tiny bit burned you I think you just made an assumption that my memories better than the back says just burned yourself mentally you got to be metaphorical burns all over your body sexes quite see that one but let’s try if you got Gaelic characters on your its own any of these keypads if you just hold them dine you can get the special characters up you should have it on your sayings huh

not quite sure what’s this carlini but that means girls know if you just hold the ladder down I’m gonna try translate hey be quiet girls me if I see you see you or the next movement be silent you’re right I haven’t learnt this yet I am learned an Irish but I haven’t got this far yet I think that’s carlini which i think is girls don’t you know that queer girl come off as queer girls so when you put the whole phrase in that’s interesting so it could be be quiet girls but also possibly list with queer girls may be foreshadowing miss shows sister Declan on the blackboard with the blackboard a focus in the background and all this out-of-focus elements in the foreground as well it means that the only stuff that’s hidden from her and I’m hand-cranked bench okay I have a special place in my heart for hand-cranked pencil show because I spent most of my PhD in a room which was pencils only

gonna sharpen your pencils and I would I’d wear a pencil a month at least that was the only noise that occurred a part of significant source of sniffing because it was a temperature a little slightly wobbly shots was something that hits me again social Monica Jackson going I know my face is funny I am going to be in here and my origin something about comedy is that sometimes in order for a character to just be told by another character than being silly the other character just momentarily needs to just become not a clown people need to kind of flick back and forth between being clowns and being straight people so when Michelle says Christ Claire you’ve basically just skipped lunch class suddenly the sober person in the room but then in two minutes she’s gonna stop being so because she needs to do her clown thing of telling James to shut up again just like we had with James before we got social Monica Jackson looking off to the left even though she’s on the left of the frame that’s like air of everything being a little bit wrong because of course she’s about to say better Bend not be my diary that’s funny dude try and see what’s in it because Aaronson some sort of collage on the front let’s take a look at that and that was that was Monica Jackson saying that in turn I think without moving her teeth apart to do it make no sounds anywhere but up your nose I’m going to grab your fuse

you had a diary like that when you were not quite like that I did write in a diary but I didn’t like we got this thing happening in the foreground between Aaron and she’s not gonna just be the person in the background is that always always accent oh they’re always like she’s surgery and Finch emotions and failing the bell and crazy that’s typical shot for this series isn’t it again we’ve gone back shot with one character on their own everything except for them is out of focus on their own everything else never focused they’re on the wrong side of the screen and then looking into our screen space those four characteristics create something that’s a bit odd ball a bit powerful and it’s a bit teenager II everything is awkward nothing fits he has to

person and dairy saying what about my civil rights and the fact that her response doesn’t get in the corner it’s just corner and he has no choice but to go and do it yeah interesting the sister Michaels from the South but sister Declan there’s no it’s not a Catholic girls school staffed by people from Ireland it’s

Claire o’clock the phone which insisted that consent and I think it’s partly it’s the choreography that’s involved isn’t it you have to know exactly what everyone’s gonna be measurements need to be taken because that licking her face as well when the camera hits her that’s a she’s like sandwich and it’s quite good too messy that I camera hit somebody by rocking focus to them because suddenly they turn from big something that’s not a person into being a person yeah so just being wrenched into personhood like that it’s quite a violent action I just have to write down the exact time at which it becomes a brother/sister Declan has indeed died so it’s at about 1858 that’s about the five six mark I think it’s really building to a climax and so that of course has to involve music short durations reducing so edits become more frequent which creates is higher rhythm of punctuation and most people moving around as well but with social Monica Jackson being the one person who’s not moving it’s yet again an indication that Aaron is the most normal of the characters in this in the protagonist has to be just about the most normal even if she’s kooky in a million ways as well I think all is the end of character to whom they could have given the job of Aaron’s halfway out the window and she’s looking back into the room she can see James’s penis journey solving it she’s not actually looking at much as we generally practice causing it such ways to make sure that no one can see that Louise the Harland turns the focus rack it is so funny because Chauhan miccine it’s just the least restrained person and really just not religious and she’s very sweary and she’s an activist assessor Eiko she’s just straddles the line between being totally straight-laced but also totally badass at the same time mm-hmm and that’s just Foley sound isn’t it does have something in there is some sort of shaved and liquids situation happening over there and the SFX when you do like a special effect that such a in camera but yeah we’ve got the Foley signed the proximity is right up against it really isn’t it off the sign point of audition right there it’s right at the pen that he’s pissing into amplified Isis a day’s worth so matter

they look like they’re squeezed under about four chairs I just love that we have parents because the constants in Sasuke’s Harlan Oh nail quite similar who plays Erin’s mum Mary she has quite an expressive face as well and she can do quick funny things so that and she has played quite a lot of straight characters she knows she’s done a lot of drama work and some comedy work as well but even in the comedies it’s quite a straight up character type thing he’ll say funny things whereas Mary should just let loose as Mary and so she’s the first one coming in of the parent group and it’s the face it’s the Goffin it’s the eyes it’s the judgment from her face they’re getting burned with this judgment from her face as she walks in drives at about 19 reintroducing conflicts that we left off at the three minute 55 second mark that we left off about about one-sixth of the way yeah it might be a nice opportunity actually while it’s still on Mary and her look because she’s got quite annuities look I think do you know that drag of one decade into the next yeah it’s got a sort of a tease cuz there’s got this quite chunky straight jacket on big quite loose clothes big then this jumper with massive flowers big roses on it and her hair that’s as if it’s not quite a permit or it’s like one of those half perms but it’s still quite oh no she’s somebody who probably uses rulers Bochy as in their an episode where you do see her and the rollers isn’t there gonna tell you what you yeah it’s just somebody who does the rollers and her hair she keeps her hair quite short and tight and very blond but yeah there’s just some Sun about her because I remember being quite young in the early 90s and I was so a lot of women dress and like that from that drag from the ear days yeah I was gonna say she looks quite nineties but nasty she looks quite dainty I like Sarah and contrast beside her she’s got a choker on what’s just very 9 days those were around a lot and then int she’s got the hoop earrings got her hair in and off done things really tight really tight rows isn’t that quite heavy me yeah whereas Mary’s hair is quite old-fashioned in a way because she’s got a kept back but the tight curls Sarah’s got this thing going on where she’s got quite a long fetid coat it looks like quite the fed’s green vest jacket and a pair tech genus on so she’s quite trendy for the mid nineties so there’s this contrast between the choice esters mismatched sister comedy very strong stuff Jenny older and younger and then you with Jerry who’s working man he’s a wee bit tiny bit disheveled but not unkempt he’s Tigers he’s been driving all day he’s been driving all day he’s been getting her around all day

years it’s got a tired like he’s got wizened hair there’s hair there but it’s whis and he’s got facial hair he hasn’t shaved for a few days cuz he had some time he doesn’t have the self-worth he’s got he’s got a shirt with the top on button it’s a blue shirt as well blue collar worker open jacket normal choices he’s just no reckon guy very harangues doesn’t need this right now I’m grandpa Joe’s bringing up the rear here I can quite something he’s got the wee baby as well he’s going on some bull shot the previous-generation just rocks up yeah fills the entire framing goes what are you doing Geor this would be my dream would be the spend off or it’s them in the seventies to start a 70 last generations the girl feeds that’s an excessive amount of crosses on sister Michaels desk isn’t it like some red everywhere no just crosses the crucifix that distinction between across yeah and of course this is sister Michael who in a later episode in response to one of the school kids saying should we pray for her is Michelle’s mother and her nurse’s uniform yeah was it Reese’s uniform somebody at some point in every combat uniform I think it is actually specifically with that really prim hair thing on somebody at some point has to say the phrase it’s Health and Safety gone mad about something which is complete just making you not be blown up that’s it sister Michael just sits and spectator on the world and that’s the first indication that that’s how sister Michaels gonna rock isn’t it so she’s got this extremely busy shop masses of stuff on the desk in front of her but in spite of all of this Catholic regalia she’s singing behind it just going

not actually gonna stand up for next people’s thing people have just given her this stuff over the years great bow Barry globe I’d want to know what’s on the other side of this there’s a picture frame Harris well given the other pictures we can see the room it’s probably Jesus and my paper Oh Marion it’s the only one that’s facing to her that be never Shea and that is I think about the fifth Northern Irish ISM of the episode isn’t it it’s dry right and we’re gonna hear that about five or six times it is about what should anyone would be on I didn’t know that crew and this I think you told me get to meet class dad this is Claire’s dad I yeah okay robust unless the thing you can’t he’s actually I don’t know who some of these people are like there’s some quite big people that I recognize really a lot I think there’s a lot of people here who do a lot of theater I don’t know them but like he’s just comment and they say well you’ve so in the show for a minute if someone’s at right you have to go onstage go in from the camera and deliver the two lines sure the we robots do all the back and work and then just turn to your right and go so killing nuns now is it even though we got a lot of James confronting this world which will refuse to interact with him and which is just impenetrably incomprehensible we do also have Aaron in the same situation as well because she’s saying look can everyone please just realize what just happened was wasn’t and then we just have everyone consenting to someone going yes that was an early death he hadn’t had a good just on the stay there in these jobs till they literally died and then is the basic commentary that the whole series is making is yeah if you’re a nun you will die on the job specific Pope Herbie ever nearly 98 years of age she knows that she’s got a hilarious face mm-hmm that Pope I don’t think that’s the current Pope at the time because it was Pope John Paul the second at the time because he was put free edges his books who ate most of my early life I think there was a list of popes six century 7 there’s been a good couple on Judaism 12 7 there we go okay John Paul’s predecessor was John Paul the first it’s like a pin to this nut it’s not really a photo that looks like plants the 11th it was poked between 1922 and 1939 wonder how old this school is what was it called again then immaculate like it was already immaculate maybe they’re referring to maybe that’s a Victorian school building that in this fictional world that were in he was the first sovereign of Vatican City from its creation as an independent state on the 11th of February 1929 mm-hmm seven years through his pontificate because I thought actually I mean I was wrong about thinking but it was a much earlier Pope because I thought it was actually the one who was Pope before the first world war who was leo xiii so not quite that early the one who was Pope between 1878 and 1903 but still this is a pre Second Vatican Council Pope significant then they just want to make it look like it’s a really dusty old school and actually she’s probably inherited a lot of this stuff that’s on that task having fun lit candles is quite significant now of course the hospital aren’t saying it was a failure but this is one of those suspension just belief things about fiction is that things happen a lot faster fictional worlds than they do and again we’re back to where we started which is teenager going what do you need investigation for an idea here a woman died of natural causes what more DNA’s few watch James is iced by Laura’s bacon and the slow emergence of realization and everybody’s face or just making for an errand stuff out loud so there’s a girl is Lisa McGee takin a piss out of herself did she maybe write something like that when she was a teenager but they’re right early girls right early people of that time they thought of themselves that way cuz I tried it when I first saw this I tried

its edges and because actually the time that you spent with these young people they have but they haven’t got clear what is really going on because they think they’re so hard done back and all teenagers think they’re hard done by all teenagers think that life is awful they’re so oppressed everything’s hard work whereas actually I mean they’re our kids our age actually plumb bombs and actually are insurgents and the combatants and the conflict and they’re actually privileged enough or sheltered enough all around a later episode when there’s an orange March going past my house she just say she thinks it’s cracker yeah it’s great interaction or Allah sort of embraces that it’s the performative nature of it she’s somebody who likes performance and dance and structure and dressing up and being a bit unusual in society and it is when you think about it people in bowler hats and orange sashes it’s not really that far removed from a disco dancing costumer do you know what I mean like there’s something very performative by even the way we dress we’re seconds away from me we’re just gonna end the episode in the middle of a sentence moment did you notice that credits goodbye so fast we’re gonna do this we’ve got the five girls including James I’ll just go back so we don’t miss anything hmm all right so far girls fine but it’s the next one that got me so there’s my Mary I’m Sarah sister Michael dad’s Harry Grandpa Joe they’ve got the West’s per meter the name Mecca honey that’s my baby Anna Hopi Tina there’s Danis David Donley retaining soldier Johnny Joyce Jenny’s an interesting character AXI there’s Ashley I think that’s Jenny’s friend yes yeah there’s all these other characters who do really interesting work they’re smaller characters but yeah it wouldn’t be complete without them really sister Jacqueline dear Djem allen and sean devlin so sean devlin played by David Ireland so kudos to him for be able to deliver that line Oh killing nuns now is it a is it dragging up yeah Mullen is Michelle’s surname did I can’t remember I was James’s our new Miss it different McGuire that’s quite an Irish name and then winter hmm anybody in the crew you Anna they have Armorer’s cause they have armor is business guns drawn filming some effects so there’s some VFX sir maybe that’s the Derry girls you know the gable wall peered thing that yes Papa CG and the probably had the CG things I’d actually maybe buildings and the distance that weren’t there at the time if maybe had to just paint them out there we should load of people from now then I would scream – quite a few exact producers it’s a loser McGee also being one of the exec producers presumably because she’s part of the production company they said what to make it I know there was somebody called Michael annex I’ve been getting that wrong I feel like there was a Michael Michael annex on my loose a makeover but there’s loads of people called my colonic so it’s probably not the specific London and I did vaguely remember born and raised in County Antrim made his first short film in 2008 2010 made his TV debut with the 30 minute drama called Eclipse which is an episode for the eighth season of the British TV series coming up then he got an went into the MA in fiction directing at the National Film and Television School in Beaconsfield which one screaming this part of the bafta NF TS stars of tomorrow event collaborated on a feature film hives directed the short film Boogaloo and Graham in 2014 he’s working on his debut feature film a patch of fog and of course interesting this just lists films his Wikipedia entry buddies doesn’t mention their egos at all the same Michael AMEX it’s the microloan extant no and they’re sorry girl sir yes we see if you got Michael Alex just takes you to the wrong name gets Wikipedia after all there’s some great people contribute to Wikipedia but things aren’t always the right thing it’s not always the right thing and IMDB either these aren’t exact Sciences for casting crew Michael and there’s much up with this one Wikipedia I haven’t watched all these people do hey I’m a 15 year old kid you then look at the mug shots it was applied for everything these are people who are clearly mid-twenties the ones for Louisa Harland she looks like she’s 30 and that one and probably is so do you feel like you’ve got enough for your diagram oh I’ve got enough for 10 diagram small problem though is that I need to make the diagram be a bit wrong yes so you need a proper version and a fake version yes and the hope that your students will be cunning enough to figure it right save that and save a different version which I’ll break man feck shut up how long does it take to [ __ ] up a thankin diagram no I mean even just your pencil on paper version is pretty extensive it’s very heavy at the start especially it piles in it settles into its troy acceleration yeah there’s so much establish and work goes on and it’s been really fascinating to pick it apart and really look at the details I mean it’s something we can do with film a lot and do we necessarily do this with television shows a lot maybe to actually what am I saying I am sure televisions do this all the time but I do know how cozy does anybody ever go into this sort of detail on any face yeah whenever I do really close analysis of films when I do counting short durations it does tend to attract mild but always affectionate is Gordon just you know why

he wasn’t just some mathematician I think it’s brilliant to introduce up to students Vic they’re these ways of looking at culture products and then there are these quick scientific mathematical ways of looking at cultural products and these can work together and that’s so exciting yeah we can apply science to what we do and that’s really cool weird being in with the precise you measure something being able to answer something with a precise amount that’s not to be sniffed at I want to say as well because comedy I think is really undervalued and I think so many people don’t realize how much work goes into comedy like to make something properly funny it’s a surgical precision and tremendous trial and error and getting the right people it’s huge amounts of work because it’s the writing in the first place but then it’s also the actors that you hire and to trust them to do what they can do I mean we don’t know how much direction there was for the small things that we were picking up but we’re not in focus and that most people watching these things will not notice them the stuff with Ford is sweet breath but how many people are gonna have tweaked on that she was doing those really subtle nathan’s and that those in those little interactions and those you can see the internal monologue going on that’s all really wanna better not have a sweetie you can see you’re thinking it through and that’s just one of five main people and that’s not all of the people like as we mentioned the bet parts you would say but they’re more significant than that because it’s people’s parents coming in and they are very occasional characters but those actors do so much with those characters when they’re there when they’re on the screen because I think we see Claire’s dad again in season two we definitely see deer jig in Michelle’s mum and Aaron and orders from the unit or the central unit but you’re gonna see a lot more extended characters you’re gonna see me a verse there’s gonna be familiar from the chepe there’s gonna be really well-rounded characters here on the in it for one episode ever I’m naming you got the ongoing joke of all the nuns have male names but then there’s the joke of a lot of the characters of the keep coming up against have pantomime eclis Irish names even though they’re Northern Irish they’re essentially indistinguishable from citizens the Republic and vanilla from the chippy is a prime example of that very common name it is spelt it depends there’s different ways the way I know is Fi oMG it’s a half of those letters are unneeded so but that’s the problem with anglicisation because they have use they have inflections because learning the bed of Irish 9 I’m learning that but yeah there are a lot of letters that are drops there’s a word it’s about Miss but you say ma if it’s confusing and but it has meaning in the written language biggest Fonua right if I n ula and that’s why there are people whose name you have names like Brunner where letters have dropped out of it I suppose we can hardly talk because Owen has been anglicize we still keep a lot of GH Spelling’s on words where we don’t know

because that would have been plus all those gh gh Spelling’s corresponding to a at least in pronunciation which is why some know it’s useful exercise and we’ll see how your students get on with it

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all right so a diagram which goes okay we meet Aaron and their cousin what’s cousin’s name and then the first person they meet is Claire and then it’s Michelle and Jamie James you’re thinking about Lander you’re thinking of men and hello and welcome to audio-visual cultures support cast that explores different areas of cultural production I’m the host and creator polo player this is the first of a two parter in which and Rochelle and I take an in-depth look at Episode one of Derry girls way back in episode 8 of the podcast we discussed series 1 of Derry girls alongside another of Lisa McKay’s channel 4 comedy series London Irish for teaching on a new module on critical practices Andrew wanted to MA fight the narrative beats of an establishing episode of a sitcom so we recorded the process it took around three hours across two sessions which I’ve edited down to two hopefully digestible podcasts massive thanks to our members on patreon.com forward slash a V cultures for your continued support it’s so much appreciated for details on ways to support the podcast and how to get in touch listen right to the end for now enjoy the discussion as we pointed out in our first Aragon that what we basically get by the time they’re on that bus is actually no it’s some that is outside school and I said the bus stop the bus stop is the second location the first location is the shop isn’t it have again sweets good of the shop before the bus because it’s just clearing air in them all right then that’s the bus stop and that’s the jet point so that’s the we shop so road and we shop so house very sharp bus stop checkpoint bus at the school mostly systematical stressy conversation 60 Michael’s office again which is the confrontation with Tina you think okay then the beginning of detention which ends with the sister death and dying and doing where than that there okay we’ll fill it out sister Michael becomes a good guy okay so what exactly is it the narrative beat sure cannot mmm-hmm what by establishing information yeah we didn’t did we so yeah we have to establish to be all that Aaron stuff just because he the very first thing you say is the army land rover and this aerial drone shot which is interesting because this is the 1990s so they’re using this drone that’s not yeah used for these purposes and you’re you’re in the outskirts and it rises overlooking City of Derry but you’ve also got and the shot missed punch alerts graffiti a night the London on the Londonderry and just hit pause on this shot we’re looking east from the western side of the river that’s the old city on the western side which means that this is the area affectionately known as the Bogside of course pointing is really great for podcast listeners here this bit rough foreground of the shot the other side this field okay so yeah I’m gonna actually get their stuff dumped in the field site because you don’t really actually need to be able to pause to do this sort of thing Susi’s it’s hard to say because they’re in the distance and it’s quite a wide shot but they’re like tarpaulins or sheets or something I mean there could be bodies and those and this is kind of dumping grind that you would get things like this you just get this debris of a conflict or something going on so it’s interesting actually pause and look at all of this before any of my arcs to do with characters we have to stick in it’s not London yeah also the song that’s being played it’s The Cranberries yeah it’s very noticeable we need to double check the title of this song I always forget but this song is if you’re not a fan of The Cranberries but if you’ve ever seen adverts by the Irish tourist boards this is one of the millions songs they will use oh yes you’re right yeah so it’s notable that that’s the song yeah and it’s quite an uplifting song yes it’s positive note song it’s pretty compact rate at the time and it says this is going to be about Northern Ireland because you’ve got associations of The Cranberries because of some base which is used very interestingly and now Shane basen yes comedy series Oh blimey that was amazing zine so we’re looking back through this telescope of history from here but anyway yet opening narration which turns out not to be opening narration lovely races of aremy land rover over three looks like teenage boys

very walls army and the walls chuckle ER new roles in the West

cranberry poster Angela Lansbury’s Murder She Wrote Aaron waking up Sara cousin Orla reading her diary

alright so it’s the roughly 50 so within a minute so you’ve got this traveling establisher it’s zooming in it’s owning in on this one house where this family lives and they’re the central family traveling establishing montage with roughly 53 difficultto using Netflix exactly when now is but seems to be about if you include the channel for a logo but it is pretty quick cuz out of almost 22 minutes one minute ed establishes location roughly the time period because they were maize occupying City of Derry I think because of the poster on the wall of the cranberries you can set you ate it at the early 90s fish Murder She Wrote still on the TV pretty regularly everybody’s Marcus’s yesyes building personality of this teenage girl’s bedroom very quickly through the posters lining the walls dressy [ __ ] pajamas mmm-hmm that tells you something about glass status just osya and possibly something to do with not super wealthy but not her either total cars at about the one minute moment coming on as if it said gable wall graffiti murals alright so that they were roughly 107 ish mark that’s when the family dynamic opening and it’s already character saying Aaron and or Allah because Allah is on the screen right now and medium close-up would you say licking a spoon tonight taking a really big spoon already looking like a space cadet not caring about the world around it yeah she’s been caught on reading her cousins diary she said like Burroughs what we’d say back at that time where I grew up in Belfast and Aaron it’s it’s a very clear she’s got aspirations of being a Raider she’s interested in certain areas of culture which she thinks they’re probably very sophisticated so you’re already getting these markers of their personal holiday is so roughly the same age also with aura here in the screen you’ve got the bay a bay and out of focus background doesn’t feature much in the series other than to just be a thing which Erin’s parents carry or Evan preoccupied with yeah and something for the grandfather’s day but yeah it’s something probably to do with this even your generation because these teenagers have known the conflict their whole lives by the time that baby is aware of things she’s gonna be part of that first group of kids who are growing up properly in peacetime because this is roughly 1994 and by the time she’s aware of stuff going on it’s gonna be post agreement yeah so it might be that the baby’s there as standing for what each of these actors and actresses the age they would actually have been mm-hmm at this point if they had been alive at all some of them are my age nearly right people yeah so they’re actually probably feely playing people who are a little bit older than them at the time because I was a boy so 1994 I turned 10 at the end of that year so I was at the end of primary school so I was a few years younger than them but they’re about 15 16 here this is a GCSE a year mother I’m you this where was that cousin drop or Allah says what’s the Paran occurs between cousins so it establishes they’re not sisters or cousins but they live together she says sure what’s para dick is between cousins at roughly the one minute 17 mark yeah family dynamics we’ve got it open a night to Aaron’s parents it’s me care very quickly or does our niece marries a matriarch because Aaron goes there mother there are lots of these little inserts there’s a little shop of the baby he just wants a meeting with a gleeful look on her face looking at the person behind the camera operator the baby’s own parent but establishing the keys there she’s part of this too even though she’s not communicating and think about detailed set dressing they’d be sitting on a baby chair that’s clearly the one used for all those years picked up and fixed there’s this toy in the program which is the toy we all had when we were kids this is no plastic that you put on some plastic so you’ve got cultural reference within two minutes as well so this is a time when Macaulay Culkin’s regularly in the news and he’s so very young and this idea of children’s rights becoming a thing and the parents gone must believe you absolutely nonsense so that’s how I recent desiiva knows there’s a parents for whom the order of rights it means civilized isn’t it yeah they’re fighting just to be equal in the whole of society yeah never mind they’re teenagers yes rights for the adults it’s not rights for the kids at this point okay so the family dynamics being oddly insulated from the outside world that’s the thing about this scene isn’t it particularly in what’s about to happen when the bombs again so we’ve got no stablish or about Marion Jerry’s relationship she’s very much in control she’s very much a voice of power in this house Jerry hasn’t really had a word and yet he’s played by tommy Tiernan he looks quite harangues and he’s very much a part of a loving family but he is the receiver of a lot of stuff he doesn’t get to transmit very often so a say so we haven’t really heard him speak yet and that’s important as well as his accent is gonna be important we first watch this I know for you it felt a little bit like being at home again and I see a little bit because yeah but for me it was like okay I’m really quite significantly having to recalibrate here because I can understand them but it just takes going fast a bit of an effort this is this and more like this vid I we talk at home yeah so it just takes you a minute Macaulay Culkin is the first time they met we’re gonna get this format of joke again in about five minutes where Claire’s raising money for a wee African fella and everyone gets it kind of confused and they think that he’s from Bali Buffet but also this is an important establish sure that this is a Catholic family so we’ve heard the Bogside established that they’re on the west bank that they’re a Catholic from like you’re getting a lot of those Ulster colloquialisms as Isles so they’re Shane Williams rather than children which is more of an Ulster Scots saying actually and they do have top skirts on it this Catholic school yeah but no Tartans exist well outside Scotland yeah but it’s a Celtic thing yeah come back just a few seconds see their skirts are quite short a lot of the Catholics goes back home we’d have had very long skirts this silly fun thing of fine I won’t see Macaulay Culkin the comedy that comes over just a mother an adult not understand and a cultural reference Aaron pretending that it’s some sort of nestle that she can’t physically see Macaulay but yeah it’s easier to do that than explain this is where we learned that it’s the end of summer there’s listening they can’t get to school it’s this oscillation between family dynamics really particular family dynamics and stuff that’s specific to pre-agreement trouble zero mrs. Peyser I mean it’s hard to tell which year is at ninety three years at ninety four it blurs the time a little bit but it is pre ceasefire so which would say it’s 93 but some of the cultural references such it and ninety four so it’s quite blurred and you know memory is quite a blurry thing so that’s okay but yeah it’s interesting here because this is actually kind of how it was was that it was a inconvenience or something like this happen and whereas it’s not like what’s going on you know like conflicts and violent acts become so normalized that it’s both this is inconvenient my day because you’ll get Aunt Sarah coming in in a minute mounish can’t go and get her fake town done because of this bomb on the bridge and of course this is we should know the name of this bridge if written about it so many times but it’s a specific bridge you’re talking about which is quite well known and it’s featured in quite a lot of artwork actually because well what’s the bridge it’s both a connector and a divider and you put a bomb on something that’s supposed to connect it becomes a division it becomes something you can’t access the other side of anymore so it’s about the inconvenience it’s about race the first day back to school and they come it doesn’t immobilize them but it just means they Rick it’s gonna be different and then you get this you just clicked ahead to the shot of the television screen and we’ve got real archive footage this is gonna punctuate the whole series as well as there is gonna be the reality of this because this is very much a comedy and it’s fiction but it’s bedded into something that’s very very real and really did happen every time we pause on these little inserts we’ve got set dressing amazingness so this is not just a television that was posed don’t really pay attention to for a couple minutes it’s really period it’s got that bulging cathode ray tube screen this is a television for me it is you know this is an old-fashioned push buttons for the channels and of course only the first four of them are actually ever used yeah and they’re all or night and you can see them they’re worn out five six seven er still clear and one two three four one especially is really worn so this is a real prop they’ve got and then on top of it you got a tiny little figurine of a monk and some other glass yeah you say it’s fairly crass and if you look at some of their decor as well because I remember sharing this quite a lot where you’ve got a border in the middle of the wall and the wallpaper so you’ve got the stripes at the bottom vertical stripes you’ve got a border and then you’ve got the top but it’ll be something else it’s quite ornate and it’s the idea of working-class people trying to look a bit more grand than they are because we had that in our houses you know when I was growing up we had that sort of thing for a while as pedestrian you’ve got things that don’t match curtains are quite awful and don’t match anything and you just see this quite fiddly and it’s quite quick but this is an old house it’s been lived in for a long this is all decor and furnishings from a long time ago this is old in the 90s type stuff sister lived in hi there we gonna get the Grampa Joe conflict setup Joe and Jerry finally here Jerry’s baked here today southern the yes silly ater amongst this group of highly fraught people and also the kind of malcolm in the middle’ figure the one who’s the most same and there’s later episodes where even he becomes a figure of fun but at the moment he’s the same one we’re about to hear grandpa jokes a wouldn’t you leave my daughter alone and he goes because we’ve been married but essentially so Tommy turns from this ice Terrell and O’Neal and Ian McElhinney who’s bang her father they’re both from Belfast they’re supposed to be from Derry and it’s interesting because the ideas that they’re all in this together they would all want a united Ireland but there’s just animosity in put your house for Jerry I think just because he’s married as daughter you know there’s not a brother so he’s an insider and an outsider at the same time he isn’t one of them because this is the thing about identity over there is the choice and the north are different whether you’re an Irish Catholic a nationalist but from the north you’re different from the southerners you different from people from the Republic or in the Free State as would say where I grew up yeah it reminds me of a thing which is quite common in the east coast of Canada is really common for people in both Nova Scotia and New Brunswick to regard themselves as Scottish hmm as distinct from people who are from New England in the States who regard themselves as quite Irish and this whole we’re really Scottish we do Scottish this thing means they’re a Scottish cultural festivals in these mountain provinces in eastern Canada and if Scott’s go there they find those I was baffled about the type of Scottish mnestheus Canadians are regarding themselves as being linked with because it’s completely foreign to them so this this urge to link up is nice to link up with a fantasy of what you think there but this is actually an island that the spread apart and at this point let’s say less and about 75 years before yeah so this is an interesting difference they share an island they a very small line and onion there’s just cultural divergence this happens within the 20th century it’s just you’ve gotten so much loaded information and one screen with just the shot we’re looking at at the moment I mean actually there’s really interesting details because there’s Canada in the background isn’t it is that John F Kennedy were talking your Nasus seem so yeah their family has Irish heritage so that’s quite an Shin that such it’s and politically in a very interesting place is that Jesus or who’s that one that looks like a spaceman Jesus it does let’s go it’s about shine and of course the the mandatory starburst so Bay’s yeah you’ve got yeah all this study furnishings you’ve got the baby stuff strewn around you’ve got quite neat things old furniture jewels very better than in his seat that’s specifically his fate of his rocking chair it’s got us blankets on us that’s his area of the house and so there’s quite a lot already gone on there so before we get to Sarah this animosity between Joe and Jerry playing

there’s all these little opportunities to put local quail isms and so there’s Harry saying because we love each other and then I thought echoes of a very good book you know what you gain is an Ulster Scots word and it means vomit yeah and then you get Sarah coming in who is Euler’s mother and that’s established and this tiny exchange again their personalities are very clear the daughters of space cadet Sarah the mum is we got it frozen on the bit where she’s just taken all his breakfast from her thinking that all I was giving her her breakfast but no it was just that all it was holding him in such weather it looked like an awareness obscured by a wall but you can just a bite sear going right stick with food and food is very important or Allah as we will find out throughout the series but Sarah is you know she’s got full makeup on she’s got her hair and like a massive top bun he’s got it in rows as well yeah and she’s not yet dressed so she’s not dresses in her nightie and her dress and going which like again crass fancy I’m gonna coin that class she’s got her red nails done to perfection you know so there’s details in this it’s very clear that she’s a lady a pleasure she’s not normally up early in the morning and of course it’s not yet been stated why it is that she and her daughter or living with her sister I don’t think that’s ever establish is it it just seems to be that’s what share this house yeah so this shades of people being crammed into tenements designed only for one family but only shades of it because there’s no indication of all I ever having had a dad yes I mean like Sarah just reproduced spontaneously and created all it and that’s why she’s a spacer yeah it’s never gonna into but I mean as we’re going to find with James there’s a Yeshe around abortion being illegal and criminalized there’s every possibility that Sarah’s got pregnant quite young she might not even know who the father is something’s happened it could be any kind of thing you could let your mind wander and imagine various no it’s B yeah it’s just something underpinning I think in this episode about the lack of access to appropriate health care in certain scenarios if there’s crisis fragments a it could be the sort of thing really all have grown up together they’ve all lived in this house together because it was probably the safest thing to say so you’ve got little inserts as well of politician it’s responding to the bomb and importantly you’ve got John him MP on the screen and John Hume see he was Scop I think I mean he was one of the key figures in the peace process so that’s quite a significant little insert there of actual footage of him responding to an incident yeah and it states that he’s the SDLP leader Dean O’Banion I really do think for a while social moniker Jackson was really struggling to put on a daring accident because it just looks like she’s fighting the words the way she moves her mouth but of course what she’s doing is she’s just exaggerating some of the oddities of it and also she knows that she’s funny face and therefore really going for it with how much she moves her mouth when she talks makes it generally quite funny so and the bid y’all ready I mean that would kill anyone just to say that would holiday situation these are there but also she’s going through the motions of her mom’s quite scary Mary you’re quite scary lady and she’s having a good are we rebellions because she’s a good girl you know she’s not a bad girl Aaron’s not a bad girl and so I’m gonna go with a little push back against the man the man being sister Michael and her mother yes this is very much a matriarchal set up we’ve got here interesting the the men are all quite wishy-washy it’s right the whole series that we’ve seen so far that’s the women runnin the place best expressed through James’s looking around at the school and realizes that it’s an all-girls school but he’s somehow been permitted to attend that would that look of batter Battlement on his face Jerry pass no it’s been that’s quite scary because this is of course again a time when it is not illegal to hate your children and it’s just this hint of threat whether Mary actually smacked Aaron with the wooden spoon because my mother was like this is oil or we were growing up it was just the look that she would give you underway she would say some fun that was enough about 355 we get to meet play at the road Weidman her denim jacket to express her her individuality individuality individuality so so far we’ve got two of two three so far at thirties blonde quite good girl and Claire’s got her blazer on unnoticed and was thanks to space Claire was her name Nicola Coughlin okay she’s my thank you tonight sir she’s quite a physically compact person tiny she’s hardly stretched she’s got wide right meaning that you know sticker a blazer and then a jockey so one of those wide plastic headband so we a lot of us used to have her hair so it’s back in a ponytail she’s got quite a thick fringe or bangs you might say North America this headband that’s holding back some of her hair as well before here you’re seeing her and this is Anna’s aim so she’s in a medium shot but it’s Anna’s aim hence the impression that there’s virtually no you’ve got this flattened straight beyond her in the negative space now you got her jitter and around while she’s waiting because she can say er she’s nervous with this jacket on and that’s a bit of it with Aaron as well as I’m gonna do this and I’m determined and even though I’m terrified you know that this is what’s coming there in her voice and then you get the same thoughts being performed in Claire’s actions before they actually turn up and we’re gonna get the I’m expressing my individuality joke again aren’t we because Claire’s gonna say I’m not going to be individual and on my own yeah sure aren’t I there’s a kind of questions principle so how you respond to people in this cuz so just wanted to acknowledge that she’d understood that it was the first day of school we see it’s just the cadence of hi we speak because we do these reinforcers and we tend to ask a question that’s not expect now so so very often we’ll go okay her yeah and you’re not actually yeah not necessarily expect and it’s just part of the hello because we have to emphasize for hello and acknowledging that you’re in our presence and that’s why you’ll hear the habit of I did that swords because it’s actually more of a rhythm thing putting emphasis on some fun yeah it’s a tag I think is a linguistic term for it so about four sixteen we are into the we shop threaten the news agents and as packed full of the school kids you’ve got things like the miniature ticklers attention actually I’m gonna look at this side up of the show because we haven’t really stopped on this before it’s just rammed full of stuff and no particular order it’s really crap all plastic in see the syrups to go on the ice creams everything’s just right there’s no sneeze cover or anything it’s not very hygienic these we don’t pass hygiene saunders today it’s all the neon colored stickers and little bits of cards and starships stuck on thanks for prices it’s hot like bouncy balls juggling balls it’s like a pirate’s Cutlass okay fancy try stuff ii ugh and sizable tears a child and their secondary noses and the pic of max okay nothing gardener when I pick my girls up from school there’s a sweet shop directly opposite the school and like 200 kids pile into the sweet shop and to create a kind of queuing system and I don’t think kids necessarily need to have masses of sugar the instant they get out of school but such is our culture that the kids and sweets have this really tight relationship the first shot is with a player with her head bent over sweet very quickly within this level so we’ve moved on and we’re getting this expansion oh Claire as a character she’s seen this fast with you beer but she’s clearly already hungry but you get a sense of she wants to be socially aware she cares about because this is a time when on the TV all you would see was news items and quite intensive adverts about Commons and Ethiopia about natural disasters things we going on in a lot of different countries but the way it’s delivered here and the way people understand it here it’s Africa as a homogenous blob of space with dark people and a and especially where I grew up because we didn’t see anybody with dark skin for a very long time this is a very very white part of the world that we’re talking about so you only really saw dark skin on the television and I think a lot of people probably like Clara she would associate people dark skin as people who are suffering and in need of help and she’s very concerned very good-naturedly trying to do something about that and probably that are on on her life should realize that there’s something a bit more cynical about all this charity stuff but already you’re getting this kernel of this is someone who cares about people’s rights about people’s access to basic needs which is very important in developing her care because she turns out to be the we lesbian no just a lesbian just about cinematography how to focus elements make shots interesting yeah it’s a general principle with cinematography is try and keep as little of the shot in focus as possible I’ve had several moments when it’s over-the-shoulder stuff that we’ve got someone out of focus in the foreground we’ve had Erin out of focus before now we’ve got Claire out of focus as Erin’s about to say yet another one of Lisa McGee’s Northern Irish isms which you say to me about three times a day the way that social Monica Jackson acts she acts like somebody who’s just newly inhabited a fifteen year olds body which most fifteen year olds have they’ve only just newly inhabited this because this green up of the face this is part of how we communicate over there today looking does it really mean it’s just like wait I’ve cut yourself on you because the tone of voice comes so much from the top and the way screw your face you can see where you’ve paused that Chase squinting her eyes and her meit’s a bit pursed and so that’s skeptical face you know it’s what there’s a sort of turn of revulsion it’s very physical it’s a very physical way of communicating of speaking so much of this bacon comes from the gestures that you’re doing with not just your hands but your face and are you with Chuck your body and that sort of thing as well what got me is that she can’t make eye contact maybe she’s looking skeptical and she’s looking just breathing but look at the way her eyes are moving and that thing right at the end of that shirt which it kind of looks really uncomfortable and her body and lips down this this is somebody who’s really drawing on her own experience of being about 15 Danis from Genesis Asia a bit of a psychopath as a bit of comedy about Northern Ireland within the first six minutes it has stalked the dramatis personae with Psychopaths but you already have all of these adults who cannot cope with these teenagers because they’re melters the waves of talk get everything because they’re trying to be so grown-up and serious and I’ll catch yourself on you do know what you’re talking about none of them know we’re talking and there’s actually being fired a mature but she still you know in all their mates are probably thinking well maybe I should care about that stuff but I’m just seeing a jerk the intergenerational conflict bit of it it’s trying to get us all to go I remember when I felt the world did not understand me because I was a new type of human except that of course every other person my own age was also the same new type so we were bonding over the fact that we were the essentially rival species to our parents generation but they’re differently it’s really fascinating because every generation comes along and you go gee think I wasn’t Matias before but there’s been such tremendous cultural shifts between say the seventies in the 90s when the previous generation was very aged say 20 years before in the seven days the world has changed very much and actually the adults have been throughout our hell because they’ve been through the whole of the conflicts from an early age these kids have come along and they’re really just becoming aware of it as its they don’t know yet but it’s coming to an end but it’s established and it’s normal and it’s actually less chaotic it’s more organized night it’s had two decades of being chaotic it’s organized and it’s just everyday life and that’s the world I came into was that was just how things were which is very weird for me over here because there aren’t things like this happening all the time are not strange but also things are changing culturally and technologically so rapidly at this point when I was their age I had the earliest mobile phones that you could buy reasonably cheap mmm-hmm that’s how much that changed by the end of that decades by just a few years after that they don’t have mobile phones by the end of that decade I did have a mobile phone that’s the thing that really struck me when we first saw this was it constantly shouting its historical specificity and I suppose the main reason to do that is because it’s pre ceasefire and pre agreement it’s saying all this counts as the past that’s the watershed that the minds in the past in the present and in Causton are always making up when these words were but there’s a case to be made that that definitely counts as a water Aaron’s first crush Monica laughter at nothing Orla just like some mountain stuff so Aaron encounter with David Don Lane the boy she could has a crush on you get really well-established that Aaron has a complete to work whether she wants to be super cool but she’s not a cool person not that Murder She Wrote is not cool and Angela Lansbury obviously as the queen but David Donnelly he’s roughly there eh maybe a year or two older he’s clearly not school anymore he’s putting up a poster for his DJ stuff he’s kind of one of those dates who when you’re Aaron he is the King [ __ ] and actually when you’re arya joking laughs you go he’s a waster he’s a nobody who thinks he is something and he’s not really he’s just this slightly older lad creepily hanging around outside of a shop that children are shopping in they go disco and smoking and licking cool but really he’s gone nothing today anyway doesn’t even have a way of lighting the rolled up something that he’s smoking this probably just a normal cigarette designed to look like something that’s not a cigarette we’ve got the best interesting me in terms of directional continuity it kind of looks like right here they have just come out of that shot but actually this is like a mile away yeah I mean no to me it looks like no they’ve walked her a bit and they’ve got to this other location where the old old sir buses are yeah well these are the old ones I mean when grandiose addresses so you’ve got Claire and Aaron haven’t played a serious team Jerell conversation and or alert actin like crying yeah she’s flying like she’s sick a seven-year-old and the background and there will be a little bit later when she says that she just loves her little fingers yeah as if again like someone who’s just realised that she has fingers now you hear Michelle before you see her know that she’s just seen a Tarantino film so she’s f no blind and all over the place so we’ve got Jamie Neely O’Donnell I think it’s important that you hear her before you see her not says so much about her surely personality and it’s perfect that she doesn’t name the film what Ned of that film being something whose title she might remember completely yeah it’s just the film with awesome content though I’m sure you’ll all see so she says she’s got out of pirate Pauline when we watch this the first time when we’ve decided that it was probably pop fiction I’m collection came I I think quite late in 94 I mean if you’re gonna be specific about dates but it’s probably this is a film that’s I didn’t céntimos and somebody’s taped it and the cinema or something like that you know it’s one of these really nasty pirate copies or something and that she has that kind of relationship with her down or she’ll watch of the night violin and Michelle’s look she has a different look to the rest of them because I mean Oren has got quite curly hair but Michelle really treats her hair and brings the curls out she’s got that wet look she’s got the wet look yeah she’s got her up and sister way that’s cause she’s got massive hoop earrings she carries herself and a very she’s very physical in a way that she moves she dances towards them as if she’s body Poppins it’s like she’s pre-empting Beyonce no mercy oh she’s got that kind of attitude she’s very sure of herself so she got this member of the gang who is because you’ve got least read the works basically already well two dorks in the space cadet then you’ve got Michelle and it’s so hard to know why she even hangs over them because she always he think she’s cooler that maybe that’s she’s killer by association or maybe she is just like them but she’s acting this character this is her coin and we’re about to have the funniest line of the entire episode absolutely check who’s talking who owns that fellow so it’s quite distressed I do what I quite liked though is that there’s this mirroring in is such a common striking I remember one of the simplest piece of scholarship I ever read about a film was one that just pointed out that hey look if you just look at all the main characters in Braveheart you’ve got four father-son pairs and the entire film is about these father-son pairs where the mother is completely absent tell things clearly therefore about patrilineage in some way and as you like it again it’s about brothers lots and lots of conflict between brothers and as you like it and there it goes cousins yeah the two sets of cousins each harvest ray and stay now make and I suppose what’s happening right now is in this particular shop that we’re looking at where all is saying I see making that funny noise errand and they’re both looking oddly at James they’re having these two cousins who have conflict realizing that the differences between them are nothing compared to the difference between Michelle and James yeah and also their group of four is suddenly a five without warning so this group afford that it’s established for us is suddenly a five so you get to meet James is about 702 so we got 30 seconds of Michelle before we get James he’s just standing there in the background he’s in London she has a step back so that he can even like the way he’s so this is still in New Orleans and James we Dylan who tweeted gee I think he retweeted me one time so James is clutching his bike strap quite nervously I mean he’s signing up right Annie sucking around he takes Phegley bewildered but it’s the way his hands are clutching the backstrap are quite telling he’s quite scared I mean he’s got this ferocious cousin who’s overpowering him and it’s a together women overpowering the men yes I remember first listening to this going I think I may need to rewatch this bit because she doesn’t say my aunty Kathy she says Manta Kathy like it’s one word Monty Manta Kathy works yeah I know we wouldn’t words together it’s just the very particular way that she says it she barely says that I in my so it’s Manta command me aunty it’s like it’s a title for someone me aunty professor doctor me aunty anyway / James answered a traumatized by finding out that he was supposed to be an abortion yeah I suppose we’re gonna put that on the second bomb scape it’s not a bomb scare because there’s actually a bomb on the bridge even before that we’ve had know that she’s there and there’s guys feeding the sign and so the third one is people can’t get abortions here and have been able to in the rest of the United Kingdom since 1967 yeah so for over 20 years at this point yeah so and again it’s just a very normal thing as people are having to travel they sort out of crisis pregnancy mostly to London thinking about just order and James as their cousins and these are cousins who do not have fathers and become part of this extenders nuclear family and each of these households because James becomes abandoned there by his mother yeah we don’t even meet her until the second series and I lose Sarah lives in the same house as earlier Mary is practically or as mum because she’s the matriarch of that home and as base case even Sarah’s mother and their mother is dead the fact that Mary’s got all of ready for school rather than Sarah getting her own daughter although really cool that’s James the son will become a surrogate mother to him in spite of saying that when she looks at him she feels pure hatred alright so about 7 12 we get the abortion moment especially in this community that accent really does mean the oppressor it’s the voice of the soldiers getting on the bus there is a massive tension this is an example of where the character of James is probably more Irish and will have been brought up Catholic and would be more Irish than somebody like me who was born and brought up any spot fast in a unionist Protestant background and always considered to be British well at home and so he goes there and he see English colonial oppressor I come here and I’m made to feel Irish the identity tension that you’ve got here Our Lady immaculate college name is school maybe we should look that up adveniat regnum yeah that’s gonna be a joke nice card of on the crest adveniat regnum to may your kingdom come thy will be done so yeah it’s just a line from the Latin version of the Lord’s Prayer Second Vatican Council 90 there’s much we’ll get into the Second Vatican Council I don’t know what that piece of music called but it’s used in pop fiction again these popular culture connections yes music selections that people appear to be sweating the popular music after time it’s soaked into the area around them and love it is film references to you that’s important because movie references film culture is so embedded over there it’s so hard to explain but it’s a highly referential culture a big public party because it’s never really had much of its own industry in creating films so everything’s imported mostly from America it’s a very sunny literate place because even people who wouldn’t really read and stuff they might be really into movies during the conflict especially I mean a lot of the cinemas got bombed and fired and you arson attacks and stuff but there were probably more sentiments per capita their pre troubles then you know there’s maybe a higher concentration and elsewhere in the UK I think don’t be something that they can’t aim to probe a little bit yeah it’s highly sunny lettera people would have nearly whole conversations just reference and films or quoting from films and stuff but interesting here at the same time as that means it’s been played and they’re walking through to boss their head and words back Michels hand like the EF on and this is Benton a style set Castle is somebody who is your EF on their date here have one representative you get to be catalog here a Doge order you could back to the Yvonne Leone and then eventually the next time you say we shall have your stuff for you and Michelle is an agent for the Yvonne so she’s got these sidelines as a bit like midnight nurse both because everybody else is just going to school she’s working she’s hustling already and we’re about to get a bit of fantastic visual comedy fingers are funny fingers are just so many funny things falling over and people doing odd things with their fingers that show that these are not very good for what we use them for

wiggling her own finger at her top lip just gotta get a time here so we very quickly there Michelle has a confrontation with a brand new first year whose sister is described as big Monday from upper six it’s old years of school years that I can understand not these newfangled years he’s knowing that don’t understand and you know they think because their first years well Michelle things because they’re fifty years they could just make the wee one smooth she’s all nice and no trousers so you’re establishing that you’re establish and that Erin and Claire do not approve of any of these actions because of the close up insects of them and Erin is really pressed up against Michelle neo sank retreat retreat where they would have needed to have shot at about seven times to get all the coverage because you can’t stick all the cameras in and get coverage at the same time when you’ve got two positions that you get you never do two main counters from and then lots of shots of the other characters all freaking out it’s generally quite interesting cinematography in part because of how up in people’s faces you are and then boom we switched to another drone shot of the bus moving now this is another bit of okay seems over now we’re having yes music and this has happened four times already we’re going scenes over scenes over sings oh yeah music I think we’re also being told that something bigger than a transition between things has happened because that’s the end of the team building mmm-hmm yeah we’ve got the Avengers Assemble noise yeah and we also have the seed of the conflict which is going to structure the middle babe yeah we’re just going to get them into detention which is when a bad thing happens which leads to the climax of day absolutely and this is an important shot as us another aerial show that’s going backwards this time it’s surveilling high because they’re having to find alternative route to school their skills obviously not in this city or it’s in a different part of the city that they’ve had to go a long way around to get around this bomb scare at shows you high close to every rural environment the cities are everything’s so green around them everything’s yields I’d really love to know specific locations like what bridge exactly really talking about and what road is this on this country road that they’re on because I’d really be interested to know hi aware of and I would say it’s probably the directors or location scouts or a team effort here on finding where these spaces are because I wonder how aware of video installations by the likes of Alito heard a they are who is an artist who comes from Derry and has made a lot of his work that’s about the conflicts and these kinds of transitory spaces in and around the city you can see there’s new River but that’s about it that’s all we can get F its location and if that is County Derry that we’re in that would be the foil but I don’t know for sure I bet that might even be a field rather than a river that’s unclear it is crayon can scrape far up so this cluster II conflict on the bastion of them is Africans we’re probably gonna have Jamie shut up by Michelle again join army checkpoint I’m sorry country teams probably first time I’ve ever seen a gun thoroughly on and michelle phan faces soldiers sorry to spent 946 so they’re not arched Michelle’s turned on James is having her freak right I mean does this perfect shot Michelle looking like hidden soldier but in the foreground slightly her focus certain Monica Jackson yawning because she knows she has a hairiest mouth we’ve got an estoppel sure as well for Michelle is she at least worth a seems to be sexually aware she has an event sexuality our first shot of the interior visco that’s the tenth soilless its purchase is not all i do you presumably that’s this staff that’s the male symbol and that’s sister Jacqueline trundle he’s under nine days trundling along and all the sisters have male I love about it it’s just an oddity of life which nobody even Jamie doesn’t go with wet white get together for assembly and fake assembly room whatever it is I’ve got a just quickly work out exactly what the time is when they arrive at school and this was found in a school that’s in Belfast a lot of its and nothing is Hunter High schol äj– I’ve written down his gin it’s that Jen will find out Danny I think there’s a girl that five word combination is one of the most sinister combinations you can use it has come – yeah well it’s a surveillance culture these are kids that actually that was something meant to say earlier with Grandpa Joe was this Arab so empty holds over Jerry I’ve got people looking and it you know it’s this idea that everybody is under surveillance within own community and this is something the convict very much dead was it would turn people against their own because everybody was watching everybody else it’s very much a surveillance culture or the has been my whole life and so you got Jenni as a prefect and I suppose she’s this archetype oh there’s always at least one who is the absolute goody two-shoes post they’re paired prefect she’s got the piece back Bad’s and normal she’s quite prissy to go her hair and a long plat a little pretty bow yeah Alice band with a bow and a long ponytail that’s a plot of course yeah she’s about this physically the smartest person yeah yeah she’s the most dapper looking even though they’re all wearing the same thing but of course you do slightly individual things within it they’re people who look just uncomfortable I don’t hate from either people like Michelle who will open the collar up on this shirt do that wide tie to make it look a bit disheveled and they’ve got all are not even wearing the little jumper that goes over the time she’s got she just looks like he’s lost a fight with her own school uniform that morning anyway that’s already set the trend that Michelle’s gonna consistently get them into some type of trouble and then it’s then they’re gonna do anything wrong it’ll just be Michelle doing stuff

sister Michael focus ranek Tony Tony makes big table it begins we noticed that if somehow managed to get drawing ice under the stage as well this is how theatrical this lie I used to be but she’s just described is sexual assault presumably just because he was male we know there’s no implication that he was English you know it’s the male thing rather than English thing that system that he was English but the difference is he was good reckon yeah and so it’s a slur on James nobody’s gonna be interested in him because none of them think he’ll of the road and he very much and Jim very much they are a dairy girl he is one of the dairy girls so you’ve got this thing of Abdullah’s for your protection but actually it makes him so vulnerable pointing him eyes and naming him getting him to identify himself scaring the bejesus out of them but also it gives you an extra hint of the way Michelle talks at Tasha’s like her character more the way she says things it’s another colloquialism is to describe somebody as a right or to describe the act of right and as being sexual know so if somebody is a right they’re attractive they’re sexy if you’re dry writing somebody it’s you’re dry humping them we had listen have about seven instances of women dominating yeah almost forty men so far and mr. Mullen affair is the last of these it’s really fascinating because this is a place where women legally so today you’re trapped in abusive relationships have no legal rights they have no right to any sort of protection nowhere to go you know there’s women’s II it can help but really there’s nothing and place to protect people who are stuck in abusive relationships and this is painting a picture of women being very aggressive which of course absolutely does happen more often than we would think but it really turns to tables quite a bit in a way it’s imagining the world where women are a much more dominant than they are but also girls of this age ferocious I think that the joke is left so long as well but I was a 22 minute 30 second episode we meet James always exactly the seven minute mark and then it’s only revealed at the what seems to be the 13 ish minute mark that now that he’s the only boy in a hitherto all-girls school he’s the first ever boy to go to the point and that this weird exceptions been made to protect him from it’s actually pro-vitamin much more danger because actually it’d be easier for him have used gettin beaten up every day this is absolute torture well he’s picked rates for the next couple of seasons because it’s the psychological torture and then as transpires in this episode he’s all I to go to the toy so there’s just a lack of basic human rights with him so it’s quite fast then just in this shot here where we’ve already got the non-diegetic music starting again this is clearly the scene ending shot that says something is about to happen everyone’s crossing themselves and it seems to be James’s thing I mean it’s the situation where a bunch of kids are being treated as a religious congregation even though they you know they’re kids I’ve got the wherewithal to work out whether this religion might have any accuracy at all but he’s been brought up in it too just on another island it’s just instinctively doing all this Catholic stuff so that seems to be his one anchor he looks actually is they’re calling you English but he probably does at least in part think of himself as Irish Catholic because of this moment and because that’s where we will have had a break and so this is the beginning of what I’ve called the stressy conversation 13

I think it’s risk right now as well with sister Michaels introduction at the assembly is the beginning of her first monologue I suppose it’s not really a dialogue you get little denty this is gonna be a sweet lovely nun and then she very quickly becomes a Sarah Burke and a bit cruel this is amazing Carrie yeah she’s really incredible that’s sure well mix Amy Turner I think it might be a bedtime this is what structurally I’ve denoted as the actual centerpiece of the episode even though we’re past the halfway mark now there’s only eight minutes left of 22 but it’s the Ella been structured around that odd break for channel 4 yeah I passed the halfway mark and I bring I suppose the reason I’ve called this the middle of the episode even though it’s not actually the middle is day this is the closest to the school day because we’ve got lots of getting up getting to school bus journey conflict stuff in advance of the morning assembly bubble bath okay finally now we’ve got the school day and this appears to be a stretchy conversation happening in a break time and then the next set of things that are gonna happen take them to sister Michael’s office and then boom suddenly it’s after school and they’re in detention and so you know there’s a school day this is it for the entire school day these conflicts continue to boil away the starving Michelle basically abusing James and has got them all into this horrible situation with four of them have done absolutely nothing and yet they’re getting blamed for having done something anyway interesting little extra bit of art on the wall there because it’s just a clock face but some reason it’s got a cross underneath it it’s gonna be a close

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This is Audiovisual Cultures, the podcast examining different aspects of sound and image-based cultural production and their broader contexts and potential impact. I'm the host and creator Paula Blair. This week Andrew Shail and I have a post-screening discussion of The Miseducation of Cameron Post and issues around religious gay conversion therapies and women and marginalized groups working in the film industry. If you would like to be part of the conversation, I'll be back at the end with contact details and ways you can support the podcast and building up the website. For now, enjoy the discussion.

<AS> So Dr Blair, apparently, you shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. 

<PB> If you're a man. What about women, what should they do? 

<AS> They should be lain with. we should be dealing with there's a list of about whether if you're right outside of town you don't get put to death if you raped inside a tiny but in a nothing specifically about same sex marriage with the ladies so what if we just watched this seeing the Miseducation of Cameron post I felt quite an emotional time what's not such a well made film beautifully made really solidly written array pox upon us I thought it's got quite a lot of joy and then I made it quite difficult things going on I feel like probably not care enough to really do it justice at the moment but let's see how I would go on I think before we start off the floor what state I was feeling like it might be a bit more of the Sirius version of but I'm a cheerleader which is a film that came by in nineteen ninety nine and Miseducation of Cameron post was made in the past couple of years released in twenty eighteen sacks in nineteen ninety three so there's a lot of political stuff going on that will need to get into later afternoons just before we get into this and I think but I'm a teenage readers Watson directed by Jimmy Buffett it's more of a comedy where the main character Magen is seventeen she's a cheerleader she goes to prom she has a boyfriend she's the perfect lawns beautiful the ideal home coming queen Arshi supposed debate that's why everybody's trying to gather up to eight Bucks her parents suspects but she's a lesbian and she's never really thought about this before she has a boyfriend she's cheerleaders just on all the right things and scare quotes but our parents just suspected she's not quite early enough but she's performing on these things so they sent her to the account I'm trying to remember it's been a while since I've seen it when I read up again but it seems to be more a psychological thing I can't remember if it was religious or not so we might need to track that but she gets sent to a camp that similar to the kind of conflict somewhere in that sense okay get the gay artist her I'm not when she realizes she actually is gay and she falls in love with one of the other girls fire we've been in these situations that's find out if the director or music had seen a Serbian film but you can have three makes a very felt because this is a situation where the two phone calls the other is both it's going to be something on anyway which is an idea that seems to be sort of a gay conversion automatically going to fail because we do need to get a little same sex attraction together same sex environments tend to warm relations we'll show you okay then put in a regime of night time inspections which involves running for state but that of course conference and extends to address the violence of course they end up bonding over I think it's a sign of the times probably thought that was quite right to be done and but I'm a cheerleader and it was sort of just you know quite like way of saying some people are different and it's a really fun premise requires Watson and there is the need to file isn't it she said person that Megan Megan Natasha Leone I'm not sure if it's not right K. D. balance when she falls for and they get together and stuff she is quite apart from this has come from very different backgrounds I think Americans so it's not kind of actually fights mostly comedy to see quite a nineteen per month and that's it the answer today is a situation where as with the Miseducation of Cameron post have a good time and one of the main differences is that she has fallen for a short while to love to see me come into it because you know what it is to teenagers on the hormones are going nuts hi all I can think of a sex so she and her best friends start having a sexual relationship they both have boyfriends and I have to go to prom with seven they don't really seem to you don't get the impression and the scenes where they're together that there's anything they didn't already discussed that that's just happening and it's consensual and they're enjoying it and they take any opportunity to count explore each other expressing they fail and they don't really seem to think of themselves as gay they don't really seem to have got to place further exploring what that means they're just enjoying being together and it feels very natural and then of course there discovered and made to feel unnatural and there's quite a big fall light from the common consensus god's promise by her she's brought up by her because her parents died when she was young the family's very religious man her best friend estimate she goes to Bible camp where they're already big differences are rather her arching religious connotation and I think one of the main points that the film is making is that the people running the town house all the best intentions I really believe that they're helping people and I think that's the scariest band that comes up action Feldman I wasn't expecting that status but one of the parts of it it's going along fairly properly and then comments trying to just yes but then one of the other inmates one of the disciples as they call in but really there and man most of my life for that choice and by the time line I'm not light safe and mark he thought it was too many while but his father has rejected him he says you're still too feminine I come top on my hiatus he has a break time tries to castrate themselves well it's well it's not rare but when they talk he took his penis I thought this possibility so I want to make it possible castration another one might be that well he just wants to yeah he doesn't have any control and possibly talk the simple basic as a sexual organ incredibly well done how to tie it all right it's actually more three hi the other disciples hi it affects them and the different ways that they react to this I don't really see much of them this happens and it's the follow up on them precipitating event says that breaks the yeah yeah during the event because we it's made clear that the marginal closing and that means that the agents of the inmates great sign before he does it doesn't moment when mark is shown yeah which highlights a construction site today it's not it's not a conviction is actually a complex in several different ways and one of them is that it just says black is white says when I am weak I am strong it's just a way of saying exactly and I think the struggle and his face down on the ground showing how strong is pressed and then what's the name dear all the stuff next one for twenty my foot when you come down that's the action of a slave another slave interactions and she has a shaving the man's head and strong Harris gorgeous long acting he's residing up secure first because his father says that what he has is a weakness anything my weaknesses my strengths it's great and powerful C. and it was quite a lot of cross cutting back and forth in time between a group therapy session playing night and Cameron waking up having heard noises commotion on the car going off and are going to see what was going on and discovering about all over the bathroom alone in my house for the past ten days and was gone for a week okay I'll wait Thursday this Thursday ten reasons why this is that we live together I thought that was obvious okay so you've been gallivanting we can turn the needed to be in Spain when you're alone in the house any noise my goodness you start thinking yeah and when you wake up and you just heard a big noise there's the simplest conjecture because the big news just had money in the eight weeks in a row out of the big things happening in particular is there was this thing happened last year where some people basically back to the house because it was only after about ten seconds of ever look up I'm definitely empathize with Cameron you have to get up but I know we just heard yup that was the last known large sense of reserve something but so we have a disintegration is when it becomes apparent before it becomes apparent but it's not unless the kids do seem to be just rolling with it yeah teenagers what is going on is what parents do to assist I don't go to those to us we can find I would not be physically abused while yes and we do occasionally do things like karaoke and going out to musical concerts will be can affect the enjoyment of listening to music and and some do even seem to benefit from the group so it is not safe that's fine that's fine but then the moment where I suddenly becoming anymore this is actually it came late in the film there was a moment that was going on with them yeah but that's how it works because it's a slow dripping tap justice so chipping away at something and then there's this tipping point where you know that actually this is unacceptable it's a beach and calling it an investigator has to come after markets harden south and has been hurt by this system not easy when really it's his parents his father that still not trying to do it as father lawns still not good enough so that's why it's a comparison with but I'm a cheerleader may be eliminated because this film doesn't have comments read out the relevant Bible verses but what it does do is make it this is a religious camp do you have a particular Christian justification for doing the mention it they say that they need to identify as the sexual yeah Christine you count in this discussion to several countries have about even really revealing description amount and what does this come into play even got I think I think this but really I don't think I did the solutions to different space I think specifically practices Marcos is quite happy cafe in singing and that sort of thing thank you testament date you know it was not the case %HESITATION Methodist yeah take messages inside five you'd have to sort of cost or that he would be ready to rock concerts or anything that they're not going to Christian rock concerts and missing the Christian rock comments are allowed to listen to the breeders amazing bands but she's not like to listen to them actually when I look into the band was in town nine they came up as while yeah Christensen another band yeah I just got a Christian band but that isn't a Christian band that one second this because I knew all that sort of thing fifteen years ago but I have not remembered any of my musical knowledge told but I was wondering if there was any connection with readers with anybody that was sent to the basic principle of Christian culture and sense of balance prices of fiction using encryption works seek to identify themselves as Christian is taking existing fixed to the Christian version of it they make the effects of bonds made up for the thing as well but they were all named in veggie but it didn't manage to write and dine do seem to be around their website because while your dot com while many uncontrolled understrength presidency of pleasure your noon rookie show to visit we support him order I think that they might not this is from their website we support open borders we support the rights of people of color queer and trans people miss them as people with disabilities and anyone else whose fundamental rights are under attack you support a woman's right to chase we support public education and a car access to affordable health care we support and anti mass incarceration we support freedom of religion freedom of the press freedom of speech and match neutrality they believe in science and affirmed that climate change is real you can still believe Lawrence of course of Christians we check so yeah the friend is pretending that a democratic at the very least if we're talking in American politics the couple days democratic if they are playing in the film Christopher it is very different from their own reason mentioned the comparison with is that there's an option when you do something this is going the religious basis that's a bit of an announcement will never going to touch it but what's interesting done in consultation come versus coming home free position shot process which were the religious stuff is one of my number one and most of it is talking to your one on one therapy therapy therapy as well sure this process which rules on religious yeah but they nonetheless make sure that I have some things going we've been listening to a great start yeah saying that this is not a criticism for students here to look at it to criticism of the misrepresentation misinterpretation of Christian doctrine and I'm thinking okay she kind of has to say about you know I'm endorsing this phone which is completely criticizing Christianity but there were moments that were thought this for which is very quickly going one woman went did that was because someone remote access to so you have those moments where you feel like you're pretending to those the moments where you really need to leave she goes to the gravity faced yeah description of how the idea of faith is mechanisms yeah one these two teenagers can see straight through another area Russell this is specifically consent is that pastor Rick and his sister the service returning to really understand the psychology of census and survey of cinder certainly take approach to how they're going to get everyone to not function so they have this pretending to understand the mechanism causing what they deem to be a problem I'm not pretending to understand of course turned out to be just a fiction as it sounds the idea of being tight lipped tending to an extent on several different owners one of the and of course when you go into a room from you can just so many questions but I think that almost certainly somebody went to anyone telling veterans they were standing at the brink of there was a book that was written most destructive could coax faith healing and something something something but this is big things it could be ten seven facing three during this workshop scene when it comes to talking about the decision that going and that's this movie roles I think criticizing Christine conversion therapy six the nature of the service it might seem they were trying to do is go some people but it's kind of okay because it's just aren't working well the talking cure version two point three the earlier versions of gay conversion therapy enough in this country is thinking if you it's a people who've been through it Univision was electric convulsive until it gradually shaded into something which was a little bit but of course it's common specifically says it's it was a decision made much in this we could just share this with someone which is when people need into a vision therapy and efficient it is even at the hands of the NHS trying to get people to for example yeah we can get somebody to associate smoking with with any of those they want something to consider in that sense it can still be done but conversion therapy with six rounds we be aware that if somebody can send texts during right you can you will get instant convinced that they are evil in so doing take the choice away they are brainwashing there's a woman or a thumbs up for grabs she gonna kind of celebrate a moment here where she gets with the program she stops initial resistance action really becomes part of it I need for just a moment a shirt come running for a couple of scenes that are the kind of montage music everybody should Cameron seemingly becoming more integrated into this culture where everyone keeps saying that same sex attraction is the results of problems for their upbringing okay maybe this film is going to go that way because it went a couple of steps in that direction to go just look this situation is for several reasons they have a sense of community I have a sense of the people taking responsibility for and they have something promising to remove them from social contact even though the search conflict is caused by the system and that by removing from a company in very good not talking about short duration and lends well we need to because that camera was fitted with unflinching but it wasn't entry set I noticed it was a lot of it was quite tight spaces on it was number one right up in the sixties when they so it felt like it was from their state that's what it felt like to me in the sex seems to be so early on yeah with one of the school as it was happening first one is when this happens in the conflict between Cameron Kohli consent to sex between coming and curly show in very read each other and then later one is FOR calling again between her and currently is that's one way they seem to be in somebody's bedroom back at someone's house before she became an inmate stroke I can charge for each other for short very close so but then later on in the film the way that the person's behavior seems to go what you do in the privacy of your own bedroom so I'm going to do lots of standing back and watching without popping around from one job to the next ones that comes up next even when it seems like it's time for the show later on from those extreme close ups share this with you shows it's very brief shots then the common becomes a lot less interested in terms I think that might have been very blessed the firm going maybe she does carry with it last it wasn't necessary static it's not like it was perhaps with a lot of the shots but it was maybe the operator was in one place in the team was Ashley Connor and actually it's a very woman had the same site she held the camera and replacing the following the actions of their site men's fashion right following the actors taking days about it's never increases it's never fight scenes bodies never craziness resting just this is this is teenagers getting in on trading on their prices giving us enough we need to see it because we need to understand their experience actually normalized yeah normalizing items strip everything on things and then they need at the moment right the box of callers single bands I know it's very normal never intrusive you might see on a because there the other from South for example yeah it's happening explains that there's this Christmas time it's just and it's not and it's not for our pleasure helping fashion and we just happened to be went missing at the scene in which Cameron wakes up from is that the gods promise kind she wakes up in the middle of the room Erin is leaning over and saying are you okay okay you seem to be having a dream and cameras yeah I'm fine and then because they're so physically close price just give it a five sixty three teenagers thank you know it seems like an Aaron goes for Cameron Cameron just responds because she wants to have sex that's why I got it I actually comes in the conversation afterwards that common a lot way to word sorry and then some to the verge of going it's not getting people when I however if you're not in this particular case he's being told that they must twenty I don't gonna be cool yes and so we'll have a bit of sex with just about anything interested doing that scene by kemet it just sat without moving and I think they have to do a thing you guys okay through the lines and see so much of someone standing up trust me in the distance I think it would count as a medium to medium plus it just do something the bristles very teenage something under cruise things nobody stripping off all the time the sum total of people's bodies one from the summit of the teenage aspect of what the people well it remains in my mind the Clinton yes but the kind that you mean that the sign on the car so at the end comment on the friends she signed the papers he signed and signed G. and Fonda his parents shouldn't have collision the call today and because when they're happy means for which is nowhere father is because our mother was then that'll but see tiny little flashback to tiny Jian with her mom to you guys at the same time I had a commune and joins in nineteen thirty eight she's got a percentage because she says that she was in a car accident so she was presenting the actor is disabled more point I think because it's where she Sasha stuff she grooms weeds right now it's because they're allowed to go for high growth we don't know where but she also they managed to smuggle tracer themselves so just like pop that they're not and just three things that are not owned by the house and disco twenty smuggle some internal Hey but I noticed that concession interface there is a person of color and ace for publication so you know there's a lot kind of normalizing that even as white as well as heterosexual is one thing %HESITATION plus should be so that we can never have anyone plan or whatever can I come in anyway despite a month come on that's what to feel like a hero and I think there's a nice connection so they end up on the roadway day managed to escape and they just stay at night they have a small encounter with he's very important because he himself has been to this conversion therapy there's a discussion he said sternly Eric this is he was her again a bank he's a gay man they forced him to take it anymore and they normally start we need a radio noise yeah to make it clear that I don't mean what I'm saying he's pretty traumatized after what's happened mark is going through a lot of stuff but he's trying to suppress it because normality night until he's trying to do that and they're having a very already back because %HESITATION getting ready to hike to the way Chad at this point they don't know what they're going to they're going this is a very interesting same and again become a set back from the table and just observe it all plays out it's a problem because when the three of them get up and they had also continues to observe right just sitting there eating that was my favorite yeah can't and you think this is posturing is the possible of this place one of the two people who are managing it on telling people that it's wrong to even think of themselves because no one's gonna send this is somebody he's killing himself and a victim of yeah just in case get conversions are people after when you walk out the door conflict just because everyone up the service is somebody who himself has just created a conflict recent challenges to the brainwashing is been three who has nine thirty anyway teenagers have realized mark having if you were supposed to be caring for them for the three sisters normal character just sitting there eating cereal just lasting three of the teenagers and without suspecting the reason that rucksacks yeah it's a slightly redeeming moment for one of the two people running this kind of because he's the one who's also thinks he just said that was very sweet I kind of think that short was supposed to but he just kept and right after on sometimes you can it wouldn't surprise me because there's a lot of I can see him thinking about stuff yeah he's got this moment of solitude but he's still performing not version of right so he's done you know any state spiel which is basically just be humans super super friendly by the %HESITATION things that they do please ask he's encouraging about there's a really nice part when you have a conversation with a friend and she said that %HESITATION on your recommendation watch young Frankenstein finally the most I've laughed in years they do the album okay and it's really really sweet because they need the cell connection he is one of them more than these anybody out and she's a really lovely person and she's a very caring person and so is he acts very well and as you say he's a beast vanished it shows you that he's human he takes joy in and this is the same person Hey on my first meets him he's going through a hard five which is it's really sinister and he's the one thank he's checking them with last night every night so it's quite sinister surveillance and he is the one and acting out surveillance Easter mailing them all the time but then you got there very sweet the end result this is just a guy and he suffering as much as I yeah my mom was trying to do one on one therapy with common officer Montez observer calendars making this up as you go along when he starts crying a very important moment in the film sure the it's not the people who are dominating the people who don't know themselves the mistaken and so we have Rick himself being a victim and the media because of this day this is somebody who has social reasons for one she's made the mistake because when there's a part where mark is on the floor and after trying this is the name she's trying to I'm not going to get a for him and she's going to help and I'm reading plays and she's going to the talking cure stuff it's about discussing how these kids feel about it and that can help this is the insidious is that it's clearly indicates it to be a political thing but as always Freudian stuff down on top of it as a way of giving it this continent legitimacy means to help people psychologically you can go okay for the breakthrough today because you cried out fuel resentment about the way the you've got the maximum for example and then you can pretend that the Christianity that helped it was just a listening just asking your question so the way that that was a great way of indicating that this stuff takes purchase it takes hold on the people who instruments because it appearing to be understanding the pain to make a difference the end when the kids are scared they have a little right they have this diagram Atlanta family you can only see the tip of the iceberg see the nine tents on the journey sites that's why the J. it's one of those examples of caring to understand this because I see things is to be honest but to be honest I guess and the service is the extractions it must be something to do with the fact she's an orphan and she's reading the sports she's a runner under court law actually American we must call it tomorrow U. S. and she's wanting this which apparently is a real thing this is always with sandy Campbell for it's like the reinforcing gender stereotypes that women are they're like hiking everybody this is gender politics being very neatly noticed in this firm is claiming that somehow this is some sort of technical mandate having cancer which is the richest female sports anchors we see which is and that way I can't agree apparently aerobics delivering the icebergs I need you to go they've been involved in these rituals because of that time at this camp and this is them creating their own rich it's a way of showing you don't need to rely on any just during the money's and then we see them as a leader in the day because chains joining them in the evening pickup truck on the back windows is because nineteen ninety three to nineteen ninety four transaction coming out or is it okay no it was it's lifted from the nineteen ninety two United States okay how the November nine to serve I'm on Clinton he took over from the bush that makes a lot of sense and that it would be an old sticker it's a very clear statement of the things that the person is a Democrat so there is see if I can the pharmacist thinking if they can hitch hike how are they going to pick them up is it going to be played because the state wait for a California state thing to come back for the closing arguments and go stickers but our information for your sticker interesting when the film was in production it was before and twenty sixteen election cast for campaigning for Hillary Clinton another action Hillary Clinton one in the interview we the last time I made a mistake so they were having a party night she said they had a bit of a party that night they went to bed many things that we had a retention being expressed because she and the news comes turning red because the electoral college system makes sense very fascinating that way and the reality that day and I've seen plenty five years right now many twenty five years ago we're still fighting to see hang during his administration because of trump but more because my president it's even more important trump because I might as a child okay the person sign in mail that does sort of therapy at least has been made legal in the UK and yeah national level it's not some states with you know this is fantastic in several ways including church state separation in office including encroachments on the Jersey separation so I think and also the fact that sound has a very woman had we are still not and can never making it before in the interview but they were making it for lines broke when a lot of the campaign women and found a very generally getting a lot of so this is quite how to Desiree French cheese ingredient Americans thinking about social this is quite mixed class and Sasha was need to check this but I'm pretty sure this is right in Andrea Arnold's American honey so again another woman film director she finds fascinating on a date during spring break you know so this is somebody who wasn't a professional actor had no aspirations bang actor right I think this kind of found a star likely green grass he seems to be a very intelligent man right she's very passionate about this issue because I have okay conversion because I think it is no he they actually should they were terrified about coming thank you the company can explore they aren't answering with three of them without an anti and and on the back of a pickup truck the American rose is that all yeah it's one of those long shots on them it's an amazing but thank they're on the back of a pickup truck there's this movement that there's something static appointed time close on the three of them shot of America going past the Katy crossing they talked to talking about guns as if they regard America as a place where it's okay or they might be just near enough supporters it's hard to know exactly what the reasoning is there but it seems like it might be a more natural thanks to Stephen with Iran the nearest liberal an American honey essentially road in many ways it's a unit that and it's amazing and so my I like that I think with the American it's about freedom constrictions the uncertainty is scaring us the freedom if either the sixteen seventeen what can they really do this it goes I'm shocked where sort of writing and please and thank I suppose it's a bit like a graduate in the top of the box exciting amor running all together and it's miscreants by the shop and style and their fees start to drop at the very least transition to begin the relaunch of the graduate what is not the loss of the from the really really happy to at least it's something as drastic they're quite enjoying actually considering at the moment the teenagers thank you the resource as well something on eight times but there is just not yes a year and a certainty that what they're going to be might not be any there is something there yeah I just thought that was very do you think that they listen to you that's a base person so they got the visual table of breeders couple of times in the also watch shop from the at the breeders the same one that didn't take it away but also I have not even a rebellion they're just having a moment of fun and they're not saying anything bad but there's a little bit of the game with the radio station and station when there's a group I think for example and they put on a different radio station and it's four non blondes what's up and they're doing aren't staying in leading the singing and dancing just this moment press your weight and there is one of the characters ASAP because she loves singing and singing gospel choirs well for one of the other girls in her hair and turn yourself into this space because she sent to please get in singing with Canadian this is worth noting that women rock stars on a woman is fronting the band didn't even go to say yes to find one that and it just feels nice none of the normal line hi people failing high people explore their sexuality as teenagers but normalizing that women do that sort of thing as well women are stars and pop stars women the scene where rex breaks dying for example in the one one she comforts him Eckstein and she's the one to gather one company because as a human to human she feels for him just one moment when she calls around and she stopped posting she hides under DASCOM's and around trying to do this to help setting is you just have some moment not with me while I at the end of that strong when I come in says goodbye saying it formally coming up very fine I'm going to see you're not aware of the situation like most teen movies that were difficult I missed its dominant messages and your own coming of age were involved in efforts on I think in a personal way I find really upsetting and I talked quite a few friends last summer was very religious yes I've had a lot of gay friends disowned or threatens with because they're gay or bisexual I I'm kind of he has when I was a teenager and I was getting out talks from my mom my mom was amazing my mom very gently sets me whatever happens you know if you ever want to feel like you want to bring a girlfriend how may never be scared of thought I don't care and I think that whatever happens finally say I at the time mom I saw because I was thirteen fourteen and just any kind of conversation I got was excruciating but twenty years on nine o'clock and I appreciate that so much because so many of my friends still don't have I'm devastated for them that means because I had some of my class and I ended up not needing a mom like and I have a stated that so many friends you can switch your money with someone else's name why would I give her away why would I give up on my I felt very grateful and I don't think less of setting right is that it shouldn't be that way it should just be something they can you know wanting what's best for the kids and not what's best for them and then it's pretty difficult because anything obviously feels like she is trying to do the right thing you could even argue that Lydia the council thinks that she's doing the right thing for these kids you can bring somebody to the alternative is worse than you can get someone to do a really horrible things come on the solidarity of empathy she sighed I have never I'm here to say her name but it's Jennifer Jennifer how they I know her and there's something a little bit Meryl Streep about her but she's obviously not mastery because she's twenty years younger and the accent the soaring me because I don't think I've ever seen edging in English is something she's very famous for pride prejudice having so many you should be playing this role because she was the this year's stuff but she has since where she's turned on you feel like violence could erupt from her at any time but it never does her violence a verbal violence is tying up Adam's hair and saving it all standing on very gently standing on marks back just really hold her face where she does not despite just holes in there for me I think it's going to be she's running yeah which is a little more mental your back yeah but I think at some point she's not really pressing it should that's enough to get a message of control and keep them there and then when he starts to rise you know he pitches against he backs off and then come then she decided she comes Mister Spock there is a potential for violence but its internal violence and she's an acting on these kids as internal they're internalizing the styles she's giving them it's very very difficult they argue against somebody sorry well meaning but they actually are a few things I feel like I would struggle to have this kind of conversation with somebody I think I'd be interested actually to talk about it when you talk about and she's also very religious and this was something she had a very hard time she managed to find a church said except this is something you gonna journey as well as not really accepting thank %HESITATION that she would burn in hell for eternity because of her choice she made her not being able to explain that I have made a choice if I could choose I would not be yet it myself but I this is when we have these conversations but I'd be interested to know what somebody like this that's the film about an event that was feasible in nineteen ninety three it might be seem to be saying Hey look what we used to do this is still happening now well I think that's the point of making so I'm wondering why he was upset now once explained it was so the kids wouldn't have mobile phones yeah and isolation from the outside world she said it's a misinterpretation of the Bible gets you to think that someone might be going to hell but don't to specific individuals if your mother your friends found a church that says it's okay to be getting this from the church okay with this regarding yeah well that's in the city towards the replacement of Christianity was looking to try to silence did he regard them as the charges I have to go to you when I was a kid would not regard them as Christians a name to them because I wasn't Presbyterian Methodist and then I went so that was fine I recognized a lot of the singing and rectifying is guitar Direc it's hard okay fine tables having I always seem to have taken a bit of a challenge funky eighties so there's a lot going on this %HESITATION really recommend watching is beautifully made it's so well written directives found matter dates there was one point four this feels a bit slow but that lasted about three seconds I have no substantial criticisms of this active participants I thank immediate active man I think it's ready right saying I think it's really important to come to see I'd be interested in our people thank Saturday or that it's clear from I don't know he direct I mean I think it's for everybody but I wonder if it's more for patches actual people for religious take for them to say to say the fact that this stuff has some people live their lives anybody's game I thought maybe if somebody is be helpful or might scare them I don't know it is going there are social consequences because society has ideas about what you should and shouldn't be aware of that coming out as a matter of making knowledge public in a particular social environment which may include people who don't want that knowledge to exist and I do wonder if this is from the ghosts the kids can escape this is for Mister president how serious gay conversion therapy as well that's why I wonder if it's a happy ending that final send it to me is that they call freedom by on the road that they're on the run in secure maybe it's whatever the American dream C. interpretation not just me great and come at a price to get on the road to get away adult they are very young there's just so many question marks hanging right so I think that's why I shop along if it had abandoned after a few seconds or you know actually just something very interesting it runs for the lines of a song only then the song and that song is non Titanic your diet adding police car in the countryside the site as an audience member you got the discomfort because the music is going along Hey this is happening and then the music we're not saying you feel like you need and he's got three or four words so watching them and I feel and actually I'm noticing that the cars being first but they're looking backwards I don't know how to feel anymore and and close the credit is an indirect way of saying that moving into a situation some Japanese I think I might have said it moreover yeah because I have no sense of something if I make a film that going to be so in your face by James comments from every message repeated eight times for me I guess I'd like something like this maybe then just a quick note on the title of the family because this is something we today was a day of Miseducation that thank and interpretation being and better people I am the Miseducation board decided well this is who you are unless it's what comes out change they're they're wrong we need to so hurry into you know there's ways we can I think in spite of what she had to say in saying that the situation I miss reading the shirt that or she could she could first thing and also think it fosters restaurant I think the film is implicitly saying educating people using this particular book as a source of knowledge is failing to educate and you can make looks like it's getting them X. in point of you may find number one two or three saying that server because your notes on because do you have respect religious freedom and if you're critical and anyway anything this religion we're talking it rather than just raising some issues around an idea be very careful %HESITATION raising issues right we have a right to do something see all the things that we have come to this movie and we've done inside eighteen minutes living is according to this over seventy three hours of free space just think of the to get 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after twenty three of forty visual cultures to podcast examining signed an image based culture production and its wider implications I'm your host all of their visitation under seal and I discuss Debra Granik status film the new trace just a warning there are mentions of post combat trauma and suicide G. two themes raised in the family many thanks to listeners and supporters and a warm welcome if you're joining us for the first time you can find more information on what would be a visual culture says Albright on the website at Audi visual cultures dot wordpress dot com I'll be back at the ends to give more details on how you can get in touch and support the podcast finale enjoy the discussion %HESITATION where are we we're in the gallery at the time said cinema which is a three row roughly twenty eight seats green smoke screen contains art and swings afternoon I'm rewarding ourselves for masses of hardwork ways leave no tracks which seems to make mark Christ service three yes I do listen to head through VA on Twitter changements forecasts thirds to thirty years today so it's glowing and emotional mark fields at the festival so the threat to be democratic she managed winter's bone and I remember saying that McLean some theatre in Belfast when it came right back twenty twelve it was a long time ago fails I feel like it might have been one of the statement PhD was quite awhile ago when I bought my my memories of those fears are melded into mass I find it really faxing son very much looking forward to leave no trace on the subject matter just signs up say fascinating fun again we feign poking out notions around girl had quite a bit and I think a lot of the sun is going to be a party a teenage girl finding their silos growing up when she's out what we are considering all of life with her traumatized veteran father you know it's I would like to play twenty pounds as a wager if you were to do an analysis of firms in the last decade made in the US mainstream independent and look at a number of films that concerned a young female main character the comparison with teens we found a significant increase in the nineties and teens probably late morning on this construct sortes will be back I just have a drinking town died after but also we have your phone and turn it off and we had to have it was this is well alcoholic drinks but I'll survive thanks very much for medical majors chamomile sage we just need to make quiet noises hello yeah this is he spoke the hair cut but I think his Stephen pressing it to Saturday this yeah yeah that's right but the device if you have been in the film and it's not a philosophy has a right to me seems to make the reason I like that it doesn't psychology semitism oversight college I send it back hi he is %HESITATION there are people in the starter in concert he understands why he is so he is a social service people hi this is Abhay or something like that I'm not sure even if that was the agency that it was interesting jobs seem to be very kids but everything is technology based and paper work and me too much it's too overwhelming and they need them to be part of society and having people being fake currency setting off a conservation masses is she I was feeling like the whole time there in the third leading in their company and their healthy and I had two kids there's so many nice touches in the film where there's I think it's a pack of coyotes possibly the weights in Oregon they're fighting their ten six o'clock today they have the finding the back together so it is showing that they're waiting and they're meeting and just like that the cherry about the lights and it's done a lot of time to send all the elements of the from nine Grange there was proper cinematic in the meaning of the word cinematic just ten minutes where it should entail yes absolutely what sort of running on using things like running a project just sitting in place use but where you usually are lots of Thomas in hot cold mackenzie Tom and I would call that it is actually really missing people yeah people use their yeah yes the most up to date and the results of reacting one is putting at my heart strings with sorry sangat Cepat but their way of showing love for each other almost like kissing sometimes but not as tried is that I'm not quite clicking your tongue but something in between well there was a tiny sliver in Allentown I'm assuming since this is notation when things get mentioned on committees it's not patient missing since notation that this probably would have an extraordinary book seems to have an affinity with horses and that is what a forced not forced him to react and she's very close to animals of all kinds it shows she heard having quite a chance in with all of them and them getting gaining their trust very easily so she's doing a lot of handling it looks like the actress is actually doing a lot of stock be handling your style thanks yeah being with jokes about that I hear sometimes honestly films I think the film making it just wanted to do this thing really just wanted to introduce you to the all the teams and the treatment of some of the specific world I think the little glimpse of everybody was robin showing rather than kind of swanky printing and monitoring the rabbit showing just bringing well cared for them but to some someplace other than just shut off and maybe some judging happens I was a little bit of that going on I was working as a matter of when father pulled him away from my life on the road again there was a sense of calm and a system to put down roots meaning for them to do with it if you have any writers making friends social worker says contract beyond turning it's already about see how not citing aren't any social skills he don't know how long she's been living in the rates for their father it seems like most of her so far the last for sure social worker say that just about learning it's very building your social skills and being around people and learning how to communicate she actually does not really well all by ourselves she has a minute spree last year tops every situation she can wear as a father doesn't tennis are sitting with her father that he's trained or so hard to think about the trails where he knows that people will come to them because they're not supposed to be on the public lands he knows he'll get chased away or they'll get brought back into society so he drove them and I eating and making no trace of their presence and for me it's her and then the thing right for thirty seconds or something to get my cheesy thing for him to stay in fines but then it's time to get that away he's the one he trips and falls and then not to force out %HESITATION for when they get to Washington state after a night of charm tension dying of hypothermia so much colder and she's not physically ready and she's not a space three and stroke he is hello Sir I think women in general especially she's a young woman she's not very foreign to me don't let anybody hate you might ask and generally speaking just how the body mounts that are found but they managed to happen and then the next day he goes off and it seems like it's a little almost twenty four hours it seems like you're getting ready for a car so she had to get to the crane can follow that a certain way but he seems to have actually fallen before you can go to the great and he's been lying there for a long time inserts handles can cost she finds him and manages to get help so she's the source for season one Hey right it was a symbolic switching moments was when she achieves degree of authority by having to be the one in control because he's injured in a concert and that authority involves just leaving the cabin during a looking for him in the first place and he both conservatives can look for in a man the initiative going finding people who should hear from the distance following an engine of and these people to help and also to take a bit of initiative and going when they finally get to someone who has a friend who can help saying damn near one hundred and S. points before that when she has to step up to the task at hand is not stepping up for Christian music to the mountains and then all of a sudden she stepped up so much that she is now effectively yeah exactly then spent the next convalescing from the injury during that time she's free to go and explore the market seems to be a remarkable trailer park click on it and all three of them point yeah I tried to connect and then you build steps around the Americans from between thirty pounds for Saturday the part of mainstream society but they're in there a little a day that works for them three seventy for this moment yeah they just go with a company called live in houses but it shows you that they're not they're not the only people he and why should they pay for streaming the firm has a fifty four different levels of people integrating into the hive yeah at one point twenty minutes six the I remember my first houses some distance out from the whole thing with %HESITATION the team is forced to work as well for the guy hi and then what they want is just to be one outside the high what we end up with please give it to a place which is kind of hard for the world community and being out in the woods in the call me crazy to get one of these the quote looking with this let the day happen upon people who will just help them and just kind of under something almost unspoken understanding of what events are going on the situation say that Thomas and she's not being abused in anyway that's commenting on quite a few times by everybody else does help them and brings them in I don't know why because I think people have known the focus of the trucker facing the germs in person the weights and all the different places I was thinking is taking place and mentioning the man I can't remember his name and he owns this court three three five PM I don't know his name I don't know okay I'll have to make a list of Peter is not behaving Christopher yes I find it refreshing terms of them staying there the father it does have a name I don't think it's sad that he does have a name well he's played by band poster there are terms for them saying there so he has to go and work not only that they have to go to church one time and I was just thinking that transpires this guy has a surprise for you and he's a very Christian person right the company sort of church that they go to say I was just thinking about it that tension between his Christian faith and basically he is commercializing this Christmas season body not by growing Christmas trees which are not a soulless and anything she actually have something in nineteen thirty I've never understood exactly what they have to do with Jesus being born but the northern European known Christine yeah festivals it's just been dropped exactly he says he makes his money as for the trailer %HESITATION specifically Christmas trees on the banks of people in California hi injury center I think it was just something worth pointing out and these are things that while Tom is starting to integrate with the people of her generation and animal lovers like her father come I mean it's understandable they contain some names the card one time one and that's all fine and it's very commercial enterprises for site something that arguably should socialize that's a whole other thing the firm thanks the church service the bigger too so yeah the margin the carpeting and it's quite clear that he said that he yeah like most thrown attention is just something happens just quietly goes on offense yeah and then what did you find to be that is quite substantial one would swear good looking around very much the way very but just in the morning and I have some technology firms to help at the position okay this is the from house and on the phone for us to give them a phone can do a lot of fun okay the support of our customers requirements in this film ending in a six run Tom just because I'm not coming with the same just made very clear by saying I understand she seems like that's why it works so well because using the integrated in the final minutes using peer from language to communicate things very very there's a scene before that where she says to him what's wrong he is not wrong with me referring to %HESITATION stratecast disorder from saying and you're not he doesn't talk about that the most is the one point she's looking through this she she knows is important hi newspaper clippings about the situation %HESITATION %HESITATION specifically so that would be in the and it was something you buy the right side fine I take it that it was stricken with a side like this secondary prevention he was I feel like I've heard that summer and it's possible that that's something that's gone into it and then also that's called my abandonment yeah of course I think that the trees in the fallow Debra Granik and co writer his name they seem to focus on dancing more thanks for her experience I'm guessing I don't know what but possibly you know the insurgency one other thing just says no decision the thing or by it's not clear whether they I mean I have seen to survive never hung around the most the growing phase I actually really love and it's a decently made but they just and it was really working on the show too that they have their own she seems to be an expert mushrooms %HESITATION offline service and they didn't want which is provided for shop and seem to be any point that would make everything something definitely yeah if you do not have an a much different kinds and one of them seem to be quite the marketing oxtail tenuous link it can also vegetable broth or something because it was just that you can really see going into something that I'm not sure that luxury treatment kind of thing that they I have the opportunity yes the reality of trying to get in that's a good question yeah that moment when she finally says thanks for staying with these people on the move yeah that is the equivalent of one you can't goes right I'm moving out yeah except across the restoration it just stays in the they will have no way here again please come back and she effectively will never be able to but it says the arrangement because steel bye bye sticking some of the characters actor named after the people buying them Danielle was also with mentors phone Thomas helping her with three I stopped because she's talking and it takes possibly the person J. also by happen that they managed to find a chance in three years but it was only a day in the and then it shows Tom kind of arrangement I'm doing that sign of affection for I can imagine him collecting I'm doing the same yeah twenty six yeah despite their members when they did that thing with the server went I would be if one of them will make it on screen and then it would yeah we wouldn't get the count yes and also yes the suffering of the it's a very rich I'm is she did she she's only emotional so I was like this is a message from the bank and it's for this reason that down but because of the he would make the noise of anymore yes right no I'm not gonna do anything back Corning just the sentiment and I just imagine him coming along making up by making the sign so for me significantly less corny really I Hey all on the show so this call to mind I'm guessing possibly made sixteen so %HESITATION than fourteen and in sixteen oh I guess it's like fifteen hundred Royce and my stock answer three while she's very young and listen in as well so hard I almost piercing eyes there were times because the motion is a rising was never and it just be the redness coming twenty days to be nearly crying that would be a muscle in her chin yeah you can't I'm losing control of okay I'm trying not to yeah that's really impressive because he's very young performer anyway it's making me think because Jennifer Lawrence's free in the business right it was a major life one the only people doing things right it actually had gender the moment when you don't just remember you got all my finances on top of that there's a lot of features possible he will never see yeah that's not a problem because and then the last I need to come back that thing about the old guard yeah Dale as a back up for a full time the new version of what it's not just people yeah even see them yeah thank you yeah this is our first may be symbolic this is home because he's going to become a symbolic after we get off the pot ways and he's well what's important is that yes and date yeah I'm scared that he has taught her everything there's no marker and teacher she's actually become better at him and that's what you have with your children I sat sees the Confederate things that he is and so survivors %HESITATION sees more conscientious she's actually got I didn't know she was no anything else should be found by the police yeah I'm not saying that he probably you have to be honest this was the kind of he's constantly keeping her anytime even when that means taking errands for dangerous resistance he's gonna be keeping her into because regards himself as her soul some things he has to this means that what he's doing the same thing on the box fifteen years stop when you doing some fifty yeah yeah which one of those things something which made which I think in the front row well before the exam swelling up quite a bit but it did not she cried there isn't much traffic from and I think probably if he's got a child's daughter child whatever he is or has been it's going to and it was released from the discos okay I'm going to have this thing happened which is good for just a little so you have everyone's getting services from way back in some way because in the second half of the parents can become less often slip through the world does not have to store mediation okay I do feel the same where regardless even though he's we need to going into just because banging on things seven to be missing problems these days a man who is turning out to be at least yeah he was making answered she was making eggs Benedict one thing that did strike is that yes things are going to be bad even though it is going to he had gone twenty for use cases in organs and yeah and they end up in Washington more than nine because that was nothing between them that means that he's taking them to call the cops yeah I haven't done that means it's going to be honored what seems to be sure because he's running away from the most and if you just can do that then thanks bye thank a fireman one of the ways in which one way thank you for calling to make it feel as a consultation we seem quite as just seeing someone at the time yeah yeah three from the yeah they're bracing yourself I merry and something like that can do that he's someone who isn't a toll like yeah people are just like his name is very very simple for me it was because we've been on long walks and I think something like starting today because and then when they stop the money is tell me his body he's got circulation going in her favor thank you coming through their socks again when you responsible for somebody staying alive there is a kind of tends to go on because you really don't want someone to your response I'd like to do this whenever I want to help my doses doing nothing physical for my friend to be difficult I might say just coming right back I'm sorry for the confusion finds anything to do that I'm just gonna stick with it take charge of financing available a single because it's always been on some of my concerns were being only even imagining hi more I'm getting a call and anyway so I just and you know right with my face most of the code now because it's a very hot day June fifth of July you're not most of the rest of the year my day fall as freezing when they were children from the cabin I felt myself going I can almost for using call second hand tangling sensation actually quite warm canvassing temperature very quickly I think if anything the cells that are really think of anything else to say about them but I I really recommend that I really recommend the same winter phone at some point it's %HESITATION so why am I correct myself later on if I'm wrong but I think that was separate comics directorial safety I think she wanted to make sure she doesn't make sense it takes a long time to get a project up and running and thank kind of a thank you for coming president you can just about everything saying please explain the team up after we finished recording and she wondered if the film could be regarded as anti war and I think that that reading can certainly be me it's given it conversations that well he's played by Ben foster has some place better in me it's company waits as well the conversations that he has with their medication and I think this one is perhaps a quick criticism of highly Saturns are treated and the lack of mental health care provisions needed for deeply traumatized former soldiers when will and Tom find a small community in Washington state the former army medic who treats will experience it's been his dog he's helped him with his nightmares the firm indirectly shows the god fearing Mister Walters he doesn't spare a thought for Wales needs or his request to work with horses but instead puts into hard labor they require something to work with machines and helicopters and its invoices if these things that are triggering Wales worst anxieties judging by the way well courageous hawking himself while the impressive rotors around to sign skip and the free including entering ten is likely experiencing flashbacks and panic attacks but this is not the kind of films that that should lead to things and be over to break that you just have to imagine that that's probably what he's going through and while Mister Walters claims to want to help and that's why he provides the shelter for them in the first instance his hope comes at a dear price for Wales well being Wilson treated condition hello he receives medication it's ME care from several characters from that the medication is ineffective they still have the nightmarish regardless of the pills there's just this unspoken sense of possibly the state just trying to medicate away the problem and hide it in that way to just make it not be so much of a problem anymore and it pushes these people right to the periphery of society they kinda integrates again he manages three times ingenuity to find a way today is that is more workable for him even if it means their separation to ensure her survival and allowing her to live a life that's something in between society and the loneliest of peripheral reaches she's in a tiny microcosm of society but it's one that seems to be conducive to the way that she needs today is certainly a transition as a young woman and Tom is very much in the apples by others and Dan can operate independently samples increased when will help Sir rated bike for the first time and when she's taught to handle the baby's tendencies and and talk to them about that and so on and just finding a quick note on the adaptation high quickly recuperated its tails my abandonment by Peter rock and it's based on a true story and the narrator of the novel is a thirteen year old girl called Caroline so I'm not sure if Thomas and Margaret McKenzie who plays Tom I don't know where she was thirteen ministers films she could face a baby thirteen she said that %HESITATION course stage of adolescence where she's looking very grown up very open space at the same time Caroline incinerator holds an awful it's a nice so this kind of thing in the show notes that are available for anyone who pledges on peachy on I hope you find this discussion interesting are you still in some way and if you have space to consider supporting us by impeaching on I'm also very grateful for one of two nations to pay pal dot me forward slash PP a player if you'd like to make suggestions for 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