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Welcome to episode eighteen of audiovisual cultures, the podcast exploring sound and image cultures. I'm your host Paula Blair. this week I'm delighted to be joined by Kristie Smith who treated me to an afternoon with the spice girls. we discuss their 1997 film Spiceworld then they fade and issues a rinds the industrial machines of popular cultural production. thanks to listeners, pledgers and those who've been sharing us on social media. for now, enjoy the discussion date with a very special guest Kristie Smith. Kristie Smith, would you like to introduce yourself or would you like me to ask yourself embarrassing things about you? right well Kristie is a former student of mine from another life ago and does not have proper grown up long before I'm a preferred group but you might contest this today because of what we're about to walk daily leaf matter because well we follow each other on Twitter and we've still got a great found them around certain things I'm reading it came back to Florida a lot of things I like what I like what I like what I like so anybody can day today we're going to explore one of those things that you like very much and that's something that I have not seen before but was very surrounded by this culture when I was a young small parks about twenty years ago would you like to tell the people what we're going to watch absolutely classic the sentencing cannot stay exactly an electoral master class if the spice girls the movie twice well the movie depending on which could be %HESITATION and that came out in nineteen eighty eight I think why are ye and to this phone what do you think it is a fight at that because I'm I'm coming into a plane I know my experiences from I mean I got swept up in the spice girls a little bit when the first night I remember I think I must've been about eleven or twelve from wannabe just changed everything there's this cultural explosion happened around these five girls and go to my classmates were huge and so am I got a bit bored after works of wasn't rated out and pop music was more into rock music and stuff but when you hear some of the songs even night you can't really have gotten swept off and you know so I come in from a very open mind so when I asked why he and us I'm not interrogating you know firsthand what wrong with your it's a very genuine class so that what's your experience because you're much younger than me and what's your experience of coming to all of this when I think about films I like I always go back to things I walked in I was younger because the things I could walk over and over again and we were talking the other day about how you would have your TV VHS combo for you just to watch the same things over and over again what you do when you're a bad rating so yes my social mobile job over again and when I went back to it is middle of what %HESITATION actually I think there's something in the specially if you thinking about film theory and how it's all about the director and how it usually so he usually he's in control of everything caused by spills where a cultural product before that yeah they're very expensive they come with a lot of star power so it's just really interesting to see how the thought of district the idea of film and how it shows up in the film itself yeah I think there's a lot to be said about a celebrity and social mobility and finding your celebrity and not because these guys came from nothing and Belfast south Surrey the growth and then hot they smash it may fade with loose Kamil myself I can't even remember who I was and I know Richie grounds and that although not come if the bagel yeah it's useless so I think that'll be something to get into the after the scene it just sort of be nice to set up a better contact before the band was so huge when I was a kid it's actually been thinking about the spice girls can make that you mentioned %HESITATION we're on our way here by eight to twenty five %HESITATION she read this %HESITATION has just passed and there was a little bit of post bike path and I was thinking about amazing because back in October I went to the gig by comedian called Sophie he can always just kind of maybe this is Jane this is only an inch at when she was young she was really obsessed with life flight from one of a competition to go and meet them in them and then once you start paying anything that pertained had impeccable English and math a lot of Francisco is often I went to one of our cakes and she was actually penned spice girls songs and the sort of warm up when everybody's taken their shades I'm waiting for I'm sorry so this is a brilliant uses this music because it was and it was mostly women in the crowd and she sat staunch feminist and she's also been so I've spoken to you she's had whole comedy shows but her love of Westlife and the fanfiction she's through the band and so I've actually been thinking about this stuff that I went to an all girls high school girls in my class who were all obsessed with Westlife and the other girls not seeing girls with other girls in my class obsessed with the spice girls Nick can Bach night as somebody and are heading towards mid thirties and they came back on that time and that aspect of kind also found you and I've been sort of providing a little bit that will probably mostly me ready because what can he say about it but a girl okay you can not along you can imagine but actually bringing him up because he's a bit older than us again and he was a student when the spice girls got fake and he told me coming because I actually we should be doing this with him because he knows more about it and then I did it because he was a massive fan yes and that space is back to a speaker in the spice girls mop of everywhere they feign perform that's not human migration followed by this girl my great yeah yeah he said like it was a big thing and all the student unions for planned spice girls online and have them fame to club nights often use reading the club and then things so it was a really fun I suppose kind of catchy thing but it was current on that basis cultural explosion and it was a very female independence and all that kind of stuff so he got really into it he actually said he only remembers going to see the film in the cinema and then he had a VHS copy a city board I do it all the time enough to and then they sort of photographers and stuff girl from them I think as Simpson to Prada okay here's well because the thing it's nice take classes and more seriously yeah and then we can maybe think it really benefit the Beatles and mail mania and stuff because I was mostly teenage girls is planned for you to think of like Alexis well he does Betty Schaeffer any of us to abandon his career when he came back from Vietnam right it would have to be it was one of those slated protection here I've since read up on this and now this Presley was drafted in nineteen fifty eight and served two years in West Germany yeah certainly %HESITATION but yeah he did go off to like my skills Beales outlets cable so apart from Correa's and is usually female fans how about just sort of thinking about it now I can't think of somebody who's more aimed towards boys will towards men it's really hot spots of crossover Correa maybe we'll think of one during the film's not put up a completely new thing that's so good stuff to set us up come in and what do you think I really enjoyed a great class it's really funny I was sort of a paired for it to be so bad it would be funny and it was a bit like the the start but I thought the comedy really picked up yeah some of the jokes still play yeah retiree comedy right now and any phone is only as good as it's great so I thought it worked read it's really good fun I thought the songs were incorporated ready while there is just a glorious come on queerness so the whole thing yeah I hear you say that most of the women that night because it's very much like if you've ever watched clear spoke of Egypt and if you do not have kids in the nineteen so the big thing and you like literally say that nothing you can see why people still check they yeah definite really celebrate or any %HESITATION just expressing yourself and the most flamboyant device that was spread it's hard to keep up the cameos we should have made it a drinking game today may have a a but then and the Arab professional who refuse on cake and says I really liked that one if that metafiction lands on %HESITATION here because all the way through a post shared with a lot of things there's a lot to get three actually but there's one of the socks or aces the movie producers I want to make this film and they keep pitching these ideas that are ready our nomination the sale is really funny and circuits that are like Charlie's angels rests and stuff like that and references a lot of genres yeah but yeah right at the end H. actually describe what actually happened and then the phone saying that happens really very funny stone ready while I thought yeah makes a lot of references to a lot of different genres within film but it makes a reference to a lot of different kinds of media yeah you've got the main body is Kevin must face yes use the edit and sort of Max Clifford yeah %HESITATION making the headlines kind of closest Mexico was a publicist was not and then at him mixed with Robert Murdoch yeah tension between the tune played of course by for during a very different kind of thing because I was gonna drop absolutely because I think there's a lot of drive and the phone even if it's the girls when the girls dress up with each other it's quite like dry and dry goals and that kind of thing so sink in it's a sort of inverse of what he usually dating and you have very different track for him don't let me dominate a defer to you because she know more by no less and you've got more intricate knowledge I really enjoyed office scared I'm glad you enjoyed it I think it first it was a bit like a group be made for TV may face I can see that I think the directed mostly dates TV before that yes I think I have the option to have a lot of big names was overcome and and they went for somebody who would directly Cobb top full is how yes I thought they were known for TV this is Bob spares yeah yeah so it felt very I thought at first it felt like that was a bit clunky and robotic gaps but its face up against tight by the end of last week on the second time in six going to the camera work rather than being called faith becomes very funny I think there's some really good hockey sense on the part of all of the spice girls Victoria Adams and she was banned yeah back of night was really care I'm a lot of comments made Roger Moore was sublime %HESITATION there's just so many lessening those really nice number Bob Hoskins very short lived very far away those are two guys will miss a lot %HESITATION Jennifer Saunders of because if she thought in a way through knowing about fashion yes Jerry how you L. keeps giving them these little nuggets of information that she's picked up because she reads does she read close shave disagrees because the fifteen easier reading she's reading the sun and then when they have a big fight with confit the Oklahoma their respective houses she is a good case for the food this find out anything you would recognize that just lying green and pink so I don't know if you've got you know like in the great customers like you cook the books open okay I feel like the someone to use all of judge Jerry a little bit because he's currently Spock yeah that are really hate one often wonder by Monterey and then Victoria thanks all have a go at trying to find smart yes the fashion do you know anything about Monterey %HESITATION I'm wearing a pair right now Jennifer Saunders and channeling Andy is not from absolutely fabulous afternoon you know that show I don't know if I'm coming this is the name of his character puts its a double barrelled name EastEnders posh English documentarians yeah pias cook but since my addictive reading off a credit sequence where Hayes of themselves going I suppose we can do to polishing this out to have to wear this task to his but I loved his voice in it because years ago he said a voice and an auto coursing cold called the devil and bald and he played the devil and that was the voice he ate so it was really making me think a lot of combat yeah it was canceled after one series in there for me it's I think thirteen episodes of us by phone at five and I love him and I loved it so ridiculous yeah I like him because obviously with the documentary style of things is just blocking his way through it like nothing he says makes any sense yeah but I can get a wide angle on their right after which the council of condom cellphone screens I thought as the perfect and he's talking about how the girls called make connections meet customer review like a motion no question about what it's like to live in the spice phenomena and then it's just you have time for boys is black in its way through he's not doing any of the hardware if you've got those two guys with them yeah so it makes a mockery of a lot of things there's quite a lot of common tree up by the industry the machine of stardom the machine of celebrity and that it's not about the saying and then it's not a boy the fund's issue here right now if they and friendship and how you keep up with your non famous friends when you've become so their specs are you coming from north and then you're on the big stars they have their own narrative with their friend Nikolai he's happily pregnant with somebody at the party it's just trying to get into the circle yeah I was asking her are you part of this world too so %HESITATION no but I mean she's actually the character is like best friends with the finances been with them since the beginning because he's here in the flashback but when you see the present date always Capri it still be like bicycles on the balcony and they've got that box to where she is being photographed and she's just by the craft services table eating grapes and being hit on by a very creepy man yeah while nine months pregnant and then when they decide to take a nine month pregnant woman to a night club she's sort of on the balcony watching them dancing in joy themselves down to their own music singing along to that would later I mean obviously it's contrived but it serves a purpose he it gives them not talking point a rind friendship and loyalty and being normal and trying to remember the race says working class girls as being her I remember making that case to city years ago and they're saying that for years when they're trying to make it they were just living off beans on toast we have maybe one or two meals a day and then %HESITATION stars and and Peyton everything that has and to try to make it and then it became this explosion there's a lot of Todd foreshadowing I will come for them and real life with talk about the band splitting off even he's gonna have babies you'll be on M. chose talking about how you used to be famous %HESITATION I think generally the character I give some of the most capped order followed a lot analysts and she's the one who did strictly come dancing there's lots to talk about it either the first live television performance ascension or one bag of any of it what do you mean everything's idea and I can always find other songs and almost all their dialogues ADR point obviously it's not quite enough to the left not the stuff that she the point thank you for any anybody who went to see them live I wish apple I haven't ever probably well despondent by the rules the the phone was made ninety seven it was probably on general release mostly in ninety eight yeah okay so I would have been up by thirteen and you reduce pain %HESITATION you tiny bear right on our four four five four five how did this come in near light I don't when I looked up to find out when it was me I was like what like I remember it being a big thing when I'm old enough to remember it at least nine of ten right but it is a heather it was rocked in had it within twelve months so it's quite a quick thing they did before the second album so like for example make a film which goes with the second album VHS is always the math but don't know how it came across that and I've done quite well to avoid it this was a never came as for that never went away I wasn't interested enough to but I tend to serve me I found it was thirty think of age twelve for being twenty maybe twenty one years old now I think so there's such a trend tonight for the music goes the west end musicals second mamma mia we will rocky from China makes the members one there's such %HESITATION maids for the live shows of a film like that this could be the issue there is something check everything you know it's more similar to spice world than most because those are right now right the songs but but the actual time for the holidays night as bill something that yeah harks back certainly to bagel mania %HESITATION all the paraphernalia right ma'am I'm not of course really fed off the Britishness that management service group I think the bagels for all their proposed landmark may with the spice girls you go really nice tension between the northerners in the south now the baby is from they will now face from that po dear there seem to be from this ice when they do the interview with Johnson also speaking different languages so I think the fans Mel B. and say something about the north and as John Ross is like I've got no idea what you just said you know I'd love to make a move as the driver hi you're waiting for each division no it's it's just talk class plans I am a sucker for palm saying that you love the game on a coupon from Lisle it's very placing and they go a fee and there was some other stars I really like to this is a big build up so the toilets in the block and he's the driver and Richard a ground as the manager saying came out to fix that I will do anything for them %HESITATION huh but I won't do that %HESITATION yes imaginary I never start anything yeah show me the pigeons up because no no start the provision for loan I hear died kicked by means feed on the pay bill full every time you see him there well there there's anything and he's got these this sort of overlords yeah he's like the producer of the owner of the management company he started with a cop which is obviously a reference to like bad guys and James Bond bond villains not become the white bunny rabbit and then a T. cook paying and then the second time in the pay you know that my and then you kind of got the girls out but I'll go for it because they're all of course women but they're the spice girls so I think it's fair to refer to them as girls in this context there will furnace and their self determination is pitted against all these man yeah controlling them so there's a lot going on there today it seems like some of the most supernatural and the power they have so if we take but you look for example at the point where if it's talking about he says I'm going to call them and I'm gonna say that the girls meet the morning off and the phone rings me picks it up and he says they can't have the morning awfully he's preempted bodies almost psychic and his knowledge of what's going on and that's it he always talks and metaphors that are always on the move be it as well it's actually quite poetic Jones yeah it is like one of them is just that you just toss phone booth the headless chicken never gets anywhere and off the coast of jokers while that figure to ground character always takes it seriously seems like chicken and if I do chicken so did you Kevin Mitnick says let them Barry Humphries character the dodgy edit it's a great manager Maxine whether in his office is getting really excited about bringing the price goes down you can see like coming from a mountain and as a cook to the guys talking to them the cook back to him I think that's purely because they needed to take more circumspect more out just so melodramatic and then it gets to the point where the thunder and lightning and it stopped topically rating in the office yeah for that guy yeah it's nice because you feel like it takes you a while because when it first starts on that feels very heavy handed with them when you're settled in and you're like this is a completely calm tone and this is come off the back well I'm just thinking of the time I mean maybe it's a bit before actually but the Austin powers films move because those thinking there's a similar level of yeah just to make sure the car kind of British yeah yeah and tips over into that and because that's the world of the film it makes sense and it's okay and you are sort of settled into that point on they should have the obviousness of the metaphors the dramatic ironies and the families and I because I didn't see it because sometimes I think there may be sitting at and it's talking dying to their audience but I felt that this was speaking to an audience here actually get it and get what their day and get the ironies that are hot man so it can work on both levels if so it takes it and it doesn't really spell things out like a link where you just want a twist on the books I was like oh that was a voice over about five billion they said they believe nothing this film seven times the reference but the showers highs that can affect the toilets but then it transpires the toilets are broken both both of courses like the TARDIS it's on the inside and the size but you just roll with it okay the film set this up and I'm gonna go ahead and when you want to live in not books even temporarily lifted this stuff but it's somewhere in the Isle of Wight thing they put on display really yes it will have to go there okay series not that I didn't have a reason before so the whole the picture case and charge and not tight and my fax machine of it's not just the music industry because it's the starshine is filing so earlier and the same thing and there's always things intention because then you've got chills Holland is and they're pretending to be enjoyed himself as the director of the live show there's an alcohol okay saying is get no live music and they're singing right so no matter what it is thirties man controlling them and they're fighting against it and they end up saying screw you could've heard where all of us be in France is more important than working ourselves to death scene for the S. and they go off with makayla and she goes into labor and she's a girl baby as well as a girl be obey that looks quite old %HESITATION the Google tumblr not at all ages I don't know her but the database hold enough of babies well enough as I was and what's the show %HESITATION yeah the wheeled over life is nothing but a date I thought some of the answers really for me and this usually the server and matching name something happening yeah you get lots of service you get a flashback to when they first saw it you got a dream sequence or flash forward to when they're all mothers and absolutely hate that music can hate the children a little bit is an alternate reality where at and there is and and I think Christie novel and she gets away with being the killer because she is such a cute little smile the spice force five it was Charlie's angels but it was a mixture of any of those kind of fast finishing because they use the music from mission impossible because they did all five of them have their own introduction the music from a different you know targeting just came last night mission impossibles and there there's a few of those other ones this Wonder Woman yeah yeah durian is just Victoria others it was like a soap opera thank you Rene Sanders our nation's straight you know those extras to the side of the room there and it's wild it's very cramped the role of one living group in a couple of close calls and things it is quite working class that they're very much reminds you of what life is like it like that it would be nice if the blinds down they've got authority with a fucking little Washington both of us it makes the room even smaller so tiny spice girls could and it costs it said in the background I only see my kids once overtaking skittles they really felt on the stereotypes and actually have a discussion about their stereo type phone point man to lose forty isn't on the baby on a treadmill or exercise bike all the time and not always talking about football yeah but of course that's what she does and that having a little time term affecting baby spice I was reading violence for the rest of it that the dream sequence where she's the killer and Hugh Laurie as Paro and then there's a point at the end of the film when they've come full my hair and she's asking the right at I really like to hit somebody at some point how to be Victoria if that happens to be delivery yes victory goes %HESITATION making and dealing with that I just talked to her in the face I actually thought there were times when the prompter between them actually tipped over into being actually bath Maine they are actually bad horrible especially to generate what she lacked HM I think there's a lot of attention there and I think it was coming through in the film are they when she gives a one line is so she's like talking bout in the ring our system with the scene after that they'll always cooked just voiced I spoke to Mel C. and just be rolling our eyes still with her I don't know if it's because she's the only one that can roll our eyes or they try to say something yeah if she's dispassionately fat with it there was a whole discussion about a star signs yeah that's a good thing there was a sort of maybe the intellectualism going on there okay just because Jerry someone he came say read stuff yeah she's telling them these facts and then there are always a bit and Mattheus a sporty one rolling their eyes actually feeding into a stereotype of somebody who's working class regional and and a sports being anti intellectual phone and Larry you know those women activists something else going on there that tape because I always feel like I'm I do think I guess a bit of a hard go with less I think that send him to the way the lamb that's the same with the bookstore they decorate rocks around day what she's doing what she's saying and how she said that maybe it's to do with how she's always pushing the girl power thing because of the point where when the addresses each other yeah Melby dresses hair and she says hello blog %HESITATION power feminism you know what I mean yeah eight thousand yeah yeah that was fast enough that with the old fashioned way each other so there's that and then sporty spice Mel C. as in posh worry she looks like a mom and drive she looks really heavy set wearing a tiny dress and massive hails and she looks like he stomped around the Big mind like I love dry cleans but it looked like somebody who usually coded in a masculine way and it did look like that like in the masculine nice posh spice as opposed to the very feminized posh spice ABC I think every school is the one who gets to escape from his designated role the least because everything she says is to do with four you can't just talking about giving but if you're saying it's like passing a football when she sees the baby that were like oh it's so cute and he's like well I hope with support my football team like they went through the script and I went oh she's got a line not to do with football commit can we change that yeah yeah put something in the pool to when they go online for like six hours and they're all talking to the dump says she's giving him tips about how his football team can improve yeah it's a lot of we can set up for you and when you see them all in their own respective homes Jerry has a home baby has the home LP has a home and then she is like she lives and I'm like the underground of Crystal Palace life I'm out for it this is spoken yeah full and she said like the changing ground force like pain it's a man I'm not a football Grantland bless the whole house pretends to be here not that okay so baby spice is scary spice yeah but she's on a bit of fun and then is ginger ginger sporty sporty is posh on posh is baby it was fascinating actually seeing them beach other yeah this is like a whole different level of performance if if ever you can see them being each other arms kind of what they think about each other still comes out a little bit what they think of the characters it does because you know right this is fiction on a totally collapses fact and fiction but yes you know it's kind of surreal girl bond and they really are these characters but they're kind of character of the character that they're also behind is a great person he engine there is affection being painted on the S. and S. a fictional Falmouth by real stuff that could be happening but you get the sense that when they're insulting each other date a week that may not and you think well that's not really not long before they actually do you'll break up and hit each other but it's so intense as well the whole the film goes into that tape the intensity of this level of stardom and I half its happened everybody won the PCP and means that bet where it's ready so late you know when they have to stop the boss because the toilets are broken they all need to pay and they have to go to the woods and they taste here hands for a closer who they are who they are I still get tickets to your show summary but even that it's about and they're asking for autographs or asking for cases the sense of entitlement over parts of these women yes I am I think you see even before the case which they do ask for you to the alien going to grab one of them says no handshake that was a bit did you go for a second I thought so yeah I just saw the Kurdish no consensus that that kind of goes back to the whole tabloid thing because right at the beginning of today me Elton John they go out with cliff it in because it comes up a camera and he says something like no up skate shop something I thought was interesting please don't take photos of these weapons right is it that in the background all is even if it is quite a deal centered film for them being the main characters they're all men everywhere all male coded aliens fjord and its always underlying threat which I mean it's more or less the kids film so it doesn't build up a great deal but it's still that and you can pick up on it if you're watching another yeah I thought I thought it was coming out of her bad this sort of sense of entitlement so for every piece of them you know and then you've got the tension between the height fits there wherein the very revealing they're showing off a lot of their bodies and stuff was the content of their songs you know a lot of ifs invites female sexuality but it's also about it like I don't want to be in a relationship where you don't have sex he I just wanna be your friend kind of lyrics as well and a lot of options are but friendship and a boy will specially spice up your life that's about everybody have a good time yeah and I speak to each other it's not a fight that kind of thing it's very well Stalin's again yeah it does it is B. axes to each other kind of five at the end and of course it starts with too much which is a song which is trying to tell a guy to buckle because you're not reading it out and tell them and you just want to be faith so you got the sense that we do this for us because it was sort of thinking of it as well if it is found that sort of animated post feminism it's not something no huge amount of but because I just feel like they're still such a need for family or not there yet and post feminism is this little bubble of very privileged women who didn't have to think so much by this kind of thing where they were just like all of us here all week long I've also harm its voice the invoice and actually there's a lot of harm and if you're not as privileged as some people in fact she more than others so it's for me post feminism as its not really but I kind of always thought that they were a bit like that right to say girls it enough and Silas and tweaking Marley's close and it doesn't have to be sexual license we don't want to baby just like wearing these tiny dresses anyway it is quite compensate drive and that vision with emphasis on the tapes but it's not for sexual purposes he adds right these connected clothes have been worn for the fun of thought for the fun of backing out on dates for the fun of expressing your style the fun of just celebrating your body I think maybe that's why I asked that negativity towards Jerry combs because Hey still thing is girl power is key that it's Gail and it's not woman to film saying maybe what that saying isn't great but the situation that put in still isn't right so I mean what about feminism you mean it's pretty much post feminism what possible point where when you fight for anything that's just come out of fire which is kind of what girl power is obviously the film came out twenty years ago but I was in prime up yesterday and I saw at least two things with guilt however and on it yeah they were probing made into such up somewhat yeah with young under age girls coping mechanisms thanks for basically no money PMR in ours if you look at hosted article date me in the photography that Richard o'brien it's Richard o'brien yeah when they're in the hospital the bonds as head yeah the point west Hollywood Marie is kind of taken over and says well we just realizes the error of his ways yeah and then he goes on to out there not the editor of the newspaper %HESITATION so it's not that the gills do anything to take on the added directly and it's not like they do anything to change the photographer's mind but the photographers %HESITATION if realizes the error of his ways through the roundabout if any and then goes on to use the skills as the worker to overthrow itself I guess that would be fascinated to know what the five fifteen so noisy but stuff now that they're in their forties and they've gone through so much they've gone through a very adult things and I've had families for foster relationships and all of a under very public screening yeah while even posts vice girls some of the most better at staying out of the limelight than others with the likes of certain movements that have emerged in the past year or so the me too movement more is coming to light I think more because those of us with certain privileges or listening to people a bit more I think the fact that it's a male baby he has the tanks at Jerry's feminism hiatus upset with her today as a black woman when it's black women are more adversely affected by racially focused sexism so it would be interesting to know what they're sending maturity or any more knowledge there or is that because they are normally and instead of so much privilege from their fans and their wealth generated from this machine do they even have to think of it %HESITATION I think I'm the meetings will be getting a touch on because obviously that the come up and that the end is that the end is it because the scandal is what do you call it and that's just so tame compared to what has actually gone on even if you take a box of fish when we watch that we thought it's a mix between him and report made a point of it is currently in prison obviously after the nice a lot of stuff came out about one newspaper and is like his welcome with doing intensive things like hacking to people's phones and things like that if today if somebody was caught in the Q. zero two consenting adult women you can like do you wanna be president exactly it's funny listen watch and read to work under something similar if there's an episode where they accidentally go back in time and they're in Dallas in nineteen sixty three certain date they messed things up a bit they disrupt Lee Harvey Oswald he doesn't kill Kennedy Kennedy continues to be president and candidate is in page for having affairs I think what we're %HESITATION the six but because it's not I mean I don't know what you have to takes too because it's kind of gone a bit beyond with trump so it's the same thing or something it's not res countless anymore Stockley those other of course unfortunate that's because there's a Gary glitter effect that's all there is yes when they go to Milan that was meant to feature a Garda Kamio book about a week before the film came out it came out Boxing Day it's like a big Christmas release it came out the office see if the child molesters but convicted of that scoring in prison good so they had just chop and change that from the film but they have kept in their cover of this song should be markers I don't know if it if it is because in one hand if you like once a cultural product any kind is I thank the loans to the public I feel fine so maybe there's a right to re command something but it just has such a sour taste because of the association my fans dispose it's one more of the many things that my childhood was filled with Jim affects that %HESITATION this Cosby show and all that sort of stuff and your every time you see a name of a male celebrity lately and it is mostly male all the data what have they done are they dead for Hey if they sexually assaulted Iraq all right it's a nice thing skate in ten years liking that person or if you hear the start of a headline that somebody's been accused or convicted of site based on a lot of faith after a long list of I don't even want to look at the last money order because I'm scared of my own things like that Mars a film like this beyond its control really like other rice a fairly safe I don't think anybody no I think there's a right specially for the company as Michael Barr more a little bit over the last year have struggled with that he's kind of like this drill sergeant he's supposed to be their counselor choreography dance instructor and they go to the house in the countryside great chefs is John ranking and it becomes a kind of night time mystery saying our creeping around the high school I was used to reduce cameo it was the only the sounds like when he stepped out of the toilet subject %HESITATION I cannot hear you fifteen every time he steps is really loud it's like hyper Digenis they'll wake up with every step but one of them wakes up from the fever dream about not wearing make up okay so in the film we've got I would say three types of media and three types of men who represent it okay so we've got %HESITATION pias confidence life who is doctor by Alan Cumming who is off to rich and I think it's from thinking Ross and he puts on the soul of a prosperous accent and he's not particularly good at being any faith that he's open to phone with is David Attenborough style introduction and then we have to to Hollywood writers directors which is norm from cheers and mark McKinney and then we have the main body is the editor of the British public newspaper so do you think that Hollywood women in the film %HESITATION that's an accent observation yeah because ultimately they crack it they come up with a lease crock pot ideas on and then they start describing the thing that's actually happening yeah you're saying so yeah I can go ahead %HESITATION maybe Richard E. grant's character Clifford he's going along with it he's got made excited and they're waiting for them to first okay thank the verses are those he says yes to them so yeah I think it's a really Accern observation but the other ones they cite the documentary just continues to fail yeah I mean if you put together all of the shop sweat you're seeing the point of view of the documentaries Cameron that's a terrible phone with some kids swimming in the Thames and then what you got going to hang himself and then themes where that trying to film the spy skills and I talking over it so it's like get the posh Rodney that was from the posh ones like the one that looks like the constantly moving the camera I think the only time when they're successful in filling anything the guy with the %HESITATION Mike that's all we got a good squash that and that's purely because the guy who's minding the documentary is holding up the ocean they called capture the spice feels they can only capture all of the others and of course the newspaper stuff full three to the tabloid media doesn't work right the documentary stuff doesn't record but the Fantastico big money big Hollywood productions I love got back where they describe that false happen to go over London Bridge yes when it's freezing they go oh it's going to be expensive and then you see it happening with level model yeah stop motion under three face off like a toy somebody's flipped over at me as a holy thing on them both Indian flag both yeah I think you're on to something there Hollywoodland supply but I do think twelve continue with your investigation yes please stay think of the first packages with McKinney and norm from cheers that pitching the film which is for each device is caring for an elderly relative no the story is apparently the spice girls all concept of a movie with option by Disney hall of what they picture that the girls were going to be themselves they're going to play characters and one these guys would be like a single mom and one of them would be caring for like an elderly relative but they just go into the stupid idea and when it shut down coconut oil what about if that monkey tennis you know from Alan partridge and that was that comment about Marilyn Monroe yeah I think you saw a bunch of back to how that would did anybody care if my little good act she was in focus yeah and I says well she was also smarter than she looks Martin keeps coming back because in the next seat in the next scene whether having dinner with crawfish mechanics characters change into a Marmon rotation and you just see her ice covering above and below the cameras line of vision so she just kind of peeking out depending on how we shop and then Jerry hello dresses as Marilyn Monroe when they do the photo shoot one to two minutes after they fought an indepth discussion of bite hi everything's about how you live please complaining about that and a lot of group photo shoots even the song at the end of the end credits it's a lot of Hollywood culture yes it's very referential scan like vogue by Madonna or it's just sort of yeah I mean the things name the thing my difficult lady is a vamp but I'm not yeah I got the right one right just because it was fasting because of all the references but there was quite a benefit of by Marilyn Monroe or something like Norwegian have a seven year and she has some like it hot too if you prefer yeah yeah I was pleased with that but they're also talking about a woman of the nineties and I so what's the status on the river cross pollination sore there's this back and forth and history of iconic women so it's like a cultural Lakers between them and the yeah in the past yeah Marilyn Monroe in Maine she's incredibly intelligent woman but was told by the image you know and she felt bad image she with the help of a make up artist designs that image because of who she was in the natural blonde they got the right shade of red for the lapse they designed the ice and the emphasis on things that was really intricately designed to be the ultimate symbol of sexual or they'll come up to active male sexual desire you know the along those lines and she was a pen up she did start as a pen that he actually did some talk less startling soft core porn stuff and she did playboy before she got famous images yeah thanks to a lawsuit but then I can make it pay and her first ever film role as he faces bimbo she had a very small part and Bette Davis it's the one about the %HESITATION aging actress yes all righty yes that's right your memories better than mine all of IT yeah we work together we can come last in a public so that was my first film role to pay this loan Benbow this young actress and that's making five by an aging actress who's being isolated by a younger actress she perfected thought role so while she can get back out of it again she was trying really hard to be set up for a production company she really wanted to do serious acting that was all she ever aspire today she wanted to stop doing the spindles and she just never caught out of it and then of course she has a lot of problems with depression stuff and she suffered greatly with endometriosis only a lot of people have heard about the first persona where she got this reputation of not turning up to sat on time and doing whatever she wanted because she the suspects are but actually she was in severe pain a lot of the time sheet Brady Haas and Roman I think hi her image is still used to find really fascinating and so anybody types into that because again these are five industry generated girl thinkers yeah I know the types of girls that you might be even have the discussion that there's no hint of crossover if she happened to your thirty three things sporty but I'm also interested in other things by but also talk about the sport which of course is the joke and the fellow exactly I think all of the characters they dress up as they are identifiable in terms of pop culture but we see Jackie o's file yeah it's penalty phase and not something Pretoria dresses as her so she's still keeping the pops thing going on the phone and then they dresses Charlie's angels and then M. O. Danny and sandy again it's sporty spice the dresses like Donnie Darko yeah she sent me a try again is that all right great vaccinated with the quick Phoenix I think it I love the way Victoria drive the box is a failure what is the market leader Patrick free speech could face you probably spent hours upon like longer than she was phoning it could very well be that up the body double but I don't know who it would not surprise me if it was ready where her face of the thirty first but it could have an effect model you know there's a slight nuns on the run references Alan knows on the Monday yes they stop in front of the bus and that's what makes them tumbled back into the books and for some reason they're on the roof because those are the rules way to get up there some of the fellow behind the bar in a second and those opposed to think I was going to tell you it's what you expect the line to be and it's just can you please make a double they're talking about it talking about it somebody you become famous ready correctly and then your football yeah go back to normal life oh yes there is the court saying Stephen fry %HESITATION yeah that was another Joan resting and one million serves their fantasy and starts and not cost him the wiring and nothing is the same thing that the wiring when they're discussing it so it's kind of like a shed fantasy or Chad daydream and they talk about having the same dream yeah where they go to perform on stage but they have no heads because they're worried about nothing it was saying and sectarian that says when I had the same during buffalo native ahead but have no make up on that and they'll send us what I mean you have a whole quite big nobody's really going to be able to tell my mother make yet the and the Hollywood story shows up as an aeration see here mark McKinney's character talking his name greater grace %HESITATION gad Greek green something like that Greitens no rating it and he'll stay online in the echo in that dialogue so it is sort of like the film you're watching the film he's pitching but I breaks down in the sea when he says the best time to that all right that looks expected he's like you lied to me because it's trying to strangle of even the Hollywood treatment doesn't really make it yeah kind of break out of that mold and when he pitches the ball mmhm we do we see the ball in the book even judge once characters like no they've been through enough under the rules but it's a really nice call back because in the end credits sequence where it's real life he had vertical month and they're discussing the making of the film and the girls sort of realize always people watching on the M. B. T. in the center of the break the fourth wall and they say oh we know what you think and you're wondering what happened up bomb there's a soft grace Losin really nice use of off screen space to continue to come but it's not just about what you do you say it's often but when you go so it's not like just dialogue it's kind of a touch and go joke but I quite enjoy it it's Richard you got Nissan is desolate and he pulls out the news from but off screen space I just have that ready to go the Cisco I've been to the documentarians forties going today because I think they're not going to turn up to the Albert hall he said you're gonna get the bond going gonna do this we're gonna dance and I'll come right from backstage it's that a higher money so I spoke with nice changes his mind Alan Cumming face it just pulls me like that would be the perfect ending at my heart because he wanted to be a reach of melodic and he's forcing it to be something that small yeah and again you got the media day and not on the whole other thing in their town it bring them dying they're trying to make stuff after so many like them you're like no you can make so much more Monday after successful for longer share date but then that system made of everything bad about scandal there's a point at the beginning where he is talking about I want to see their very souls and the come I make the joke or is like we're going to need a much longer because you just have this discussion the five of them during the rehearsal in their old bomb journal each other being quite name again stuff about what they look like either drastically making fun of each other so if you're just getting this superficial view from the top point and again the balcony comes into it because it's a double decker books it's taught us like you said it's massive cliff its offices above them so you can always look down and watch over them a little bit and then a lot of P. as a shock to Ghana from balconies and then it goes away separated from them as well it does vary which one of them is raised above by the way that capped a pop just the physical representation of the fact that things keeping them apart from being with a friend thank you senator died when and the opening credits its third star names I found that a male female say yeah this electric toria I had like possibly yeah rather than a credit so it's in the end the end credits reset it says the spice girls are you gonna so names on my face over a music video and then talks to them being on top of the post office became riddled with the same sort of problems yeah because the fact of the presenters were sign of water but it didn't pop for both partners and have a nice week benefits Brian they come off I owner now with even when the things because the meeting date in mind because he was and Shakespeare retold Smith summer night stream he's a really well known Scottish actor I spend so much stuff I can't remember if he doesn't feel like silver well that was nice the thing where they remember their origins and then the group rose can come out of their very first single and I think it will not be in there you know because I thought was the things that really matter for them I'm assuming not sexualized as well I don't know a great deal about the story about how they got started but I'm assuming they would put together like a quota should record label kind away I don't think obviously with the big for different parts of the country I don't know what the friends as teenagers and just started organically I think the with manufactures and they save money factor and %HESITATION got a story for them to tell I think they were pretty young when they all got together I think there are many factors I'm gonna Silas with obstinate date the Vegas of memories and I don't know how bad my man anyway so you just go and I can do this yourself but I do remember them send stuff like they live together they had a house together at one point but they were working towards making it and the music industry so I think you're right I think they have been put together and they were living together they're working towards us but they were flat broke they were really struggling for a long time every party and just constantly work and to where it says and then they go off that single and they need a bay became a phenomenon of the night and everybody started dressing for my I think it would do anyway that's where the I think we felt like we had a license did I think that was one point where about the Germans over her solutions for anything Maaseik whites combat trousers when but the material hanging off them we all have I had a block para wore them all the time he was never don't get no thanks Colton doors already dangers because will connect the likes together if you like random bits of fabric and it was a cough well it was like a mental thing yeah while the U. T. and your legs together and that was sort of like a light version of %HESITATION but I used to wear me out on the C. biking Charlie Sir still I didn't either have been quite and all those found I just never contracted over the land mostly wears skinny thing will come yet I'm not comfortable then the book I don't trip over half an inch of call the scars and then he's do you have anything else you would like to order anymore clearly you will explore the main one certainly is the way the star machine works around them every time I watch I try and focus on a different one so like the B. I'm coming characterful government likes its characters I think even just like the little Addis between the scenes so much happened yeah one of my favorite joke says what if they find the cure for deja vu and repeat that to you like all not me what if they find a cure for deja vu all nothing in them yeah I think it may be okay so there's loads more without realizing how awesome sorry but we do it so why not played as if he's telling the joke he thought about it tells you know it's the same collective so called me and pasted it's not a joke for them the joke for the audience yes and again it goes into how melodramatic his life is and then when the auch bishop of Candleford shows but it was Richard Pryor's Jerry makes a flip in common is the pope Catholic because it's sure enough do you like a waste of time for boys clash and see if I can cook for him first and then the newspaper headline is done by schools question authenticity of the pope and then he's on some sort of representation of the check in yeah on TV saying of course he's a Catholic what evidence to the spice girls have met up media machine where he even controls the Chechen away you can separate things and girls everywhere that's a good point and then the demand the photographer that questions his credentials he goes he has a photo if you swing socks is one of you picking your nose he is one of you making out with a girl when you were twelve years at a time traveling photographer at the site you have so much power as an editor of a magazine in the late nineties but the only thing you'll be impressed by is a literal titled with a code after he happens to be richer right yeah Unocal you I noticed that because I like watching the credits because of gold mines vaccinations so this completed in nineteen ninety seven and it was copyrighted to five girls in the middle yeah so they had their own production company for this there's nothing really much to say about it I just thought that was notable when they list all the songs at the end there was listed as having a writing credit as well yeah it's it's spice girls away another song writer we've covered everything with cover the aliens cover the music montage good thing you've ever rated covered everything I think it's something more profound you can say that you forgot nobody %HESITATION yeah with mentioned the pake well he's the star of the show over her %HESITATION she's the star of the show I don't know if this is it is it the playful movie but I do think there is a lot to say about it and I'm looking to be seen and it was so much going on with so many genres that you can pick up on little things yeah it's film and popular culture letter it yes I like to flock safe I enjoy things like about anyway so I love all the references because it shows that the after pic this together even if the spice girls have much to do that or not he ever paid all of that together knows their stuff and then they would still create and hearing something about the spice girls phenomena at the same time I mean I mean they were there and they were acting in it but somebody so it's got that put it all together and it is still full of makes us laugh twenty years on and it's H. still right thanks in years to come it would be young people coming across the S. and it would be really good fun romp for them but it's fairly innocent there's some stuff with baton yeah I mean it's P. G. and certainly the right rating for it yeah I wouldn't put any high it yeah that's one of the things if you don't know what they're on about you won't know what they're on about over your head it's just good fun as you say there's some other stuff you can get into a I mean I think it be and since early March from an academic point the VA and cultural studies point if he be comparing it with the baby %HESITATION sounds hard day's night and health and things like that and I can't speak to those because I haven't seen them I have a lot of people will probably think less of me are not live me but I never banned the Beatles fans I am the Kinks girl off I've never really seen posted by the Beatles but they either talked into or they created I don't know which and energy yeah avoid them the media came out of the maybe for them it was a post war thing as well where people are starting to relax a bit more and enjoy themselves and be okay with being involved in culture I don't know what it is about that phenomenon and the RT sixty spot there was a moment and they went for it yeah that's very much representing fifteen coming out and being like team with a capital T. you know we got money to spend we've got our own little identities and we're going to do what we want and the hysteria by girl found them and then this was a whole different kind of girl from yeah but the spice girls this was quite empowering I remember you know in my high school to retain talent shows on there were groups of girls he waits he would get several groups of five girls he added all give out which one is going to be she's one of the five dress about like them and perform well usually nine to one of the songs and make a dumb stuff or something and start again those today that over emphasize femininity complete dressed up exactly yeah because their costumes change so much it's just the general style so if you'd be amazed at the level short skirts or dresses can I just wait till he say it's blown paid tales and the big shoes or bags of salt you know just something that excuse to not overly sexualized but still something between Carly and woman made the sporty it's just football tops not effort I always felt sorry for her because she had the least lover cost extra heat or you can like food or folklore posted from FIFA points straightened but Jerry and smell day there is a phone while the family when you ready go to tie the fake make up the fake hair the big fates and pull the flash on display and squeezing up to date %HESITATION itis color selector friends by remembers talent shows where some of the senior girls would pay Stephanie another tough to fight over what songs we're going to take so we will come to one of three the reason I have to go and check he did a lot of pain I think this more once I can stop it no it was not one at someone with a video where there in the desert file on I know which video you mean because one of the favorite free to see more of my my fear road and it's just a still from the film but I was very popular his name is it like is it run away because it's the last Christmas but much yes to it and she sent to revisit that the thing back fill up time but also what is the main nanti sampai and shit and you're on the move that money means he as a kid and then no I always time after could you think it has H. well made up you see they have a lot of issues with having a cut somebody out of it like a week before releasing it have a cookout references to princess Diana because she had died during Cornish Brian's journey to self cheers I'll use minute by a serial killer and had him out she was a cook and so I'm I'm I'm looking scripting I didn't realize those platforms I know all the princes and the premier I was interested in that very very shocking because because I think it's very rare Doxie phone booking and policymakers actually doing that set and then it's such a London centric yeah I mean at the end of the call to set it was all filmed on location at the intended or the studios and check on them even with the Milan must have been in the studio that's something you could not gather around the stadium signs which no bother really your second units of beta one stand up comedians try even there's no need for anybody else to be involved in that yeah anything else no not really apart from everybody shops you watch the spice girls movie looks very sad about it yeah I think it's a good point actually if you've never given it a go I would recommend him %HESITATION I days before start recording again yeah I have two other things it's been twenty years insane asylum but I believe this very firmly that you see them at the right time in your life because I would have been receptive to that when your local for me it feels like a million years ago yeah I would have been totally resistance so lots to go for that even a couple years ago probably had too much from snobbery to have thought that but no I just feel it you know it's really important to embrace stuff I know he S. there's a lot of stuff that will never bother with and I will think not going to go there but they say I don't know I just think this captured a moment I think it's a moment that has a very long acco yeah that's that I think you definitely shouldn't write film off because a lot of people enjoyed it and because a lot of the people were young women all go it certainly in the past year with Wonder Woman coming out of so many people said for years all women shouldn't be direct and found because he would want to go and see films made by by eight women not too boring and we keep proving them wrong we keep breaking breaking box office records people do you want to see these things because we're more than half the population of this planet so of course we want our own stuff and it has been really interest in the past few months watching all the vehicle was found yeah thinking about girl date on them but I suppose the thing with this is a top of the line below the line COS seeing these five skills that says you know yeah fight goes production book of see the doctor was mail them out I just I'm in full I was at the court I'm single he like in a lot of the writings about he was very much the puppet master behind it all I think maybe a couple weeks before the film came out after they are broken my friends and it's just the idea of maybe go power is post feminism and it didn't work and the only way they could really clean the freedom is to break up from being with my skills yeah you can say off the goalpost film books not really yeah all of the men in the film all representative of men in the real world some of them are just making that money and some of them are causing a lot more harm being honest about things like the me too movement of childish affection of that is in the film well it's reflecting what they experienced and what the people writing it with representing their very young at this point as well when you're young and it's happened then you just think oh this is just how it is this is just what happens when you get older you go %HESITATION I don't think so okay actually I didn't consent to you so much of what was happening to me you know even like that back where multi million Honda made that's not real and then it's not but it's still cool this isn't okay actually and even the way the shops I think her head slowly but surely and for him yeah crap yeah something about it to stay celibate but actually especially walked in at night some of this isn't quite okay hello don't go off and try to get their independence and I think specifically of by Jeri Halliwell and I think she has been married since two thousand she she's not cherry Holly well anymore but she did have a bit of a solo career on the way so that she had this brutal exercise regime and she called really skinny and then the music Betty she was doing her solo stuff you should cover if it's raining men those videos are by showing off not really overly skinny toned body that very very thin but muscular body this constructed scope to tiny thing that should become I was so nice seeing her in the film being prolonged shifts because even at the time I thought she was stumbling around Mel paid together of Paris in March us these incredibly beautiful and then that he had a three way that the top two weeks immediately colors fought one figure two younger men I mean I know they do that with little mix now what do I do reading or anything about them but they do that once a man about she's the second set hi but they did talk to Jerry how you out I think that was partly why she went off him so skinny but I think they were also like that's I know definitely and obviously now sees the sporty one she has talked about in the past %HESITATION she's experiencing depression eating disorders so I think even if we're talking about things in terms of time periods the what's the point not where it was like fashionable but it was kind of like an academic within cultural icons I still hold the woman with very very thin it was all the bite the fall based on how the lack and I can just enjoy the bodies show can I buy the meat and what the bond stuff but you know that Terry you see them with food on the table I don't think he said which I mean obviously a film if you have to redo the scene reduce and you could be in clothes it's not comfortable factors to do it a hundred times but just thinking about I don't think no I don't think so at first Victoria Beckham a member every time she had another baby they have similar to walk it Middleton gas not think she's only part of the hospital and she's already a size four again you know it puts pressure on people traveling over there of these perfect bodies is it India Chris well you're right you know she was Miss World nine nine four six she's inviting prejudice and shoes and came off their systems and things okay and U. K. %HESITATION difference in America she's very famous in India when she had her baby she's just regular happened carrying a human for nine months %HESITATION assignees and so it would be impressive like she's a drug addict Allison everything so placed and then these women end up with easy the Sooners because they can't keep up the pressure nobody is a commodity when the girl groups should be practicing in but it's never been the same this is very depressing yes I usually end up on a sorry anything sure you can finish what do you think the pick was cold because he didn't see him in the garden his name with a trilby Mike Fraser we're very jealous of your time with us for more those very special for you well thank you very much for this because I would know who watch this film otherwise and I really got it saying that %HESITATION I think it's really cool to watch it with me as well because they many thanks again to Christy for giving up an afternoon status if you find this fun interesting or useful please make a regular pads to Petri on dot com to enable us to keep probing areas of audiovisual cultures funds are occurring to create the websites which can be fined up audio visual culture stopper depressed stock com thanks for listening supporting and sharing catch you next time
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hello this is episode seventeen of audio visual cultures I'm your host Paula player and this addition Angie Sheila knight discuss afia couple that somewhere a rudimentary website is up and running and can be fined it audio visual culture stop wordpress dot com if you can support the development of the podcast and website please make a monthly pledge to PTA on pre confined to more information for night enjoy our discussion on somewhere thanks for the moment even in pre production and according to our database they're they're writing something a pretty stretch I heard from since you only had one night last year soon the number do one every four years I think three to four years check one out of twenty seventeen so it's different from writing on something so probably maybe in a year two years three would return but for nine assists the last of the six services we can't we've done in a couple a joint it's not season has being translation but going over with virgin suicides management bringing in some way even though that means that we've actually done them in the following order if chronically that one three four five six we've actually done then two six one three five four but this is how I have been living thing by my student that's the only reason with them and I would spend you still having the motive thank if you like the whole principle of having unity to a direct example even if that's unity that figure collaboration with the same people is that you should be able to watch them out of order and not notice significant differences between I think this one being so this is twenty thirteen this one from twenty ten twenty ten even earlier this one is easy it's just by the technology summit by the phones being used by the way by it's our hero was a guitar hero or rock star I think the wrong service singing one guitar here was with the guitars that I had and there was I think it must been bound here when it was the fellow on the left it was guitar hero so the tires again for the week your controllers in Titanic guitar yeah and then they were playing Wii tennis which I have memories of my sister who has had to have a we have a supply that on there but that was the only thing that really aged yeah not content B. period party probably fake late twenty first century as we know what I would love because this is the nature of my being to make my handful of nerdy observations about form planning on do you want to have the wrong page and then we'll come back and just have a normal discussion it will be quite extensive because I can rustle through this quickly the first is couplet she's a big fan of long duration yes there's a lot of long takes over a lot of static shot this time but may have been one of the Jesus fairly thoughtful there were I think at least three slow for dalits and then there was one I would tell me which derives meaning from being a rational thought news from she knows her repertoire you know the took advantage of having to come to camera movement there was the usual or not because a couple of things couple signature trait having long moments of not having any Dodgers ago non digest music another brusquely having some only the Dodgers are commanders of music concert and that plays all the way through and then we have another fifteen twenty minutes of non music of any kind so there are the spots of northeast spots we listen to and on track as well as on this particular farm quite a subtle insistence that Johnny's not actually a film actor that's nice profession if you conform to being a Hollywood star I think he's actually good at his music and he seems to be specifically an action star or at least that's the phone that's being promoted and these talk about him doing stunt work in its new %HESITATION he's just done he seems to be option specifically which is interesting given that statement or displaying him and he's a really wide variety of roles and he's not the kind of star that he's trying in this phone the only time of the accident took place the use of commitment to your engineer what is and is not on screen specs very early on affirmative scenes for those long duration locked off shots the first was the very first on the phone which is just him driving around racetrack subsidies driving into an ounce of of screen space repeatedly he's moving in an anti clockwise motion for an occasion on on screen he's going from left to right but then from right to left to see these again and and circling around our wife and everything's in the bottom half of the screen actually so what you would call the positive space the negative space being the overcast sky that positive space is more like this bottom three it was very nice so it's not quite half but it is more than a third this is kind of open shutters I think you might find that are you consider intricately my current position and I think you find that you're going to trust that I'm going to do this for the rest of the phone here and that's great symbolic meaning even if its meaning that's entirely empty because I think there's a lot of things in the film that I noticed there's a lot of banality and the film is focused on and the next it was quite banal thing Reesing around this track in this black sports car there's a lot of emphasis on the Foley signs all the way through the phone the techie when not cars being driven system rated at all it should have the power of the engine and thereafter really hard on it breaks down and things so it seems like he's ready hurricane across part of it but the idea of the driving around in circles but also drive and then on to cook rice motion there's a sense of going backwards and that's very consistent motif throughout the film without cars and if this thing is a symptom of the ways because live set up somebody he's going nowhere and the preventing himself from growing yes press one of the dental division is very first shop which was opened on it like to pretend that I actually counted how long it was going to that extent then there was a slight delay to show an interest within the first few minutes well he's got these %HESITATION if they might be too insular twins but I just also was very similar between hold on for him and his solitary musings of portable problems and we're not doing it becomes what tough so that when they do stuff low down in the polls there are sufficient I'm absolutely obsessed with how funny things on the move into and out of the bottom of the short on screen off screen space which is something through the floor I think it just seems to be completely hilarious many other people look at me rather bemused when I point this out but in this one there were several sorts of been doing kind of twenty pole stuff and it came up short so that it was perhaps just the bottom half of the state this the phone number of the service the cameras going to re frame to observe you know and then when Jonny marker is a main character played by Stephen Dorf when he's watching his daughter cleo ice skates yeah and this is our founding and she's very good light skins Accern %HESITATION what is working and doing that Cameron noted being conspicuously three frames to keep her in the shop transaction is moving fast on that I tend to cope with him watching her eyes are the times when the cold on teacher in his hotel room and the similarity of editing patents yeah makes it a bit creepy I don't know though when I was watching him his fears acting is really just so fascinating the phone because I was getting a sense and he was watching the pole dancers he looks at them in a very similar way as he's watching his daughter ice skating but also in the way that he's watching the guy who plays guitar for them and things so then when they arrive back in LA after being in LA he seems to appreciate performance and talented performers I don't get that he's looking at the pole dancers and FLA sexualized objectifying way he's actually looking at them working hard doing that dance well that's the thing that I was going to point out is that the acting part in the cinema but other aspects %HESITATION dissimilar this two times resource and products is nothing referring to the second time he's quite amused by what they're doing he's like this is really quite creative stuff but the first to be falling falling asleep yeah that's totally different from I was watching here when she's asking him because he's going into exile this is talented stuff he sort of has an awakening there because he had no idea should even be going ice skating that we kind of start would be stopping your proctor moms and they have a conversation and asked her and she should have been doing it for three years you know and she's got old cats got the trash go the base everything and I did know down into it's a really long take that's watching her son broken on it really is a very young L. funding radiating a lot something and she is really very good another dissimilarity as I've said is the fact that it will be fine I think also mentioned a comp showing the balances of golf digest music and she's gone under thirteen years ago but no they don't does have a Jetta of course there because you don't this is not it's just it's playing and it was just the space is different because that's where the comic con mais and the hotel room there in this quite small enclosed space yes it hasn't gone anywhere to go home when he's lying on the bed so he's not moving he's just lying there static and maybe it's reflective that called off of them when they're on the floor he's lying on the bed so he can't see the floor yeah so it's subjective to hem maar as when they're in the ice rink they've got a huge big cavernous space yes and he'd be able to set up a Crian a rind in what turned move with her and that sort of thing the communists objective to ham I can definitely see why my student wanted to write about different classifications of space in each of these films because there are some strict demarcations which are this particular type of space is impressive this particular type of space in the right treatment almost always seem to have something to do with young femininity which is being oppressed of the rectify these different classifications of space the tiny swimming pool that they have access there yet most private swimming pool in the hotel in Italy and clear swimming up and down in that procedure thanks she does like one stroke it also would be good to make into the songs that go with these things because that first pole dance is happening today and they've got the see it when they're packing up their clothing opposing because tiny that open boxes then an emerging that first one to hero by the three fighters and this is not a particularly sexy song and the content is it's not by any kind of sexual or romantic relationship with the by a guy that everybody looks up take so it's setting up box it's more about his character that he's well he's playing the hero Johnny isn't playing here but only as an actor and then maybe he is is playing hero characters it seems we can reasonably expect to find this with every single one of these digestive transponders movie source is that it has a mind ready to function commenting on character relationships most of the women in his life four seven white with long blonde hair I mean this is just getting overly protective whole night and come from the phone there's also a trademark shorten covers films which is the women in the past yeah all the houses had a nervous I think we're going to see a lot of the province's path and the way they were showing response was very kind of lex's during yeah six and a phone takeover yeah maybe I don't really know I just call it as that makes it much more for everything for all fans rather than you say it's more appropriate high fat from life but then with tears I skating we've got more women in that kind of thing but that's just the kind of normal parts of an invoice cases that you have is complete and I finished I was gonna say I you know it the uniforms but they're in it can you know from the socks and sandals dresses it's in those like facts those costumes probably more prepared by the pastel colors yeah I wasn't going %HESITATION this is a really personal phone but actually there were fifty thousand with yeah and what people are wearing so the first pulled out the ring these tiny pink sweater dresses and then under where I would say probably coral time gap thing only they can not closely on that rainy tons body and cleo's ice skating or if it was a very peeled away with the usual sparkles and things your opponents is being just kind of grown up versions of his own daughter one of them they'll presumably both of them shocking John I think it's the base or something one of them get to know each because the calls of the wrong name account time apart and then when he keeps getting names wrong because all of the women he said so I've left exactly the Sammy Cahn tell them apart and then he comes back into his room very late on the phone and finds it both of the women in his bed I think one of the nurses had drawn and the took place and is not not not a good time okay with the move by the twenty three million of it of learning about the more perfect way to relate to women and that since and how much is on set because there's a lot of non verbal communication between him and K. %HESITATION when they're in it and they and he's going to bake some day and he's not an award show where he finds something Anne doesn't regulate you were saying it's a bit lost in translation Bill Murray where he hasn't really got much of a clue what's going on but he fired on the last show of this bizarre no warning and he did not happening and he all the way through he looks really sappy others all these women throwing themselves at him I'm not she's become normal for hands the suspect activity look so shop in there so cranes in prime this is woman who's really angry with him and take him off to the side insisted she think you'd never see me again and all this and then correct me if I'm wrong but it seems to me that same woman comes to the hotel room during the night and they you know so he can clear Ocado that'll bonding moments where they haven't been able to state and so they kept a lot of %HESITATION and and they're watching friends stepped in Italian that's quite funny cute little bonding moment S. reading I saying but then she has a sugar crash falls asleep he saw lying awake and then there's a knock at the door and if this woman and the next morning she's and a dressing going she's on the phone to pay people she's talking to cleo as safe she has entitlement today that she's also asking you how you will be a laugh and she have a boyfriend and this eleven year old is going and her head she can see her thinking of course not I'm %HESITATION Avenue are acting %HESITATION he eventually our rights and %HESITATION she steaming mugs but saying nothing she's just the way she looking at him and he's like oh I'm in trouble you know there's a lot of %HESITATION and facial acting going on there's a lot of gesture so much communication through gesture going on this is one of the two phones of the six which was an original script written by single plate because the others are based on real stories for the meditations or as another she didn't actually have a hand in writing it was the original story and the other one is lost in translation and that has a very similar scene where bill Murray's character whose name means Bob okay October seems to have his eye on a singer at the hotel and then quite late on in the film they actually meet at the bar and spend the night together and show that comes to bos room in the morning and he has the singer singing inside his room and she's even seen Caesar's row and that was very similar to that seen with clear being abruptly confronted with this and a woman and her and our service yeah price when that space has been established between a young woman I'm doing the math yeah but of course lost in translation it's a potentially romantic relationship between the young man it does actually seem to be primarily one of him becoming more responsible yeah lost in translation but becoming responsible which has shades of current relationship serves very similar things happening right the firm is fantastic at making its employing fewer feel really uncomfortable our journey having any of these relationships with them in his own name as if it's going to go does not want to do this but actually it's going I think you got into the wrong happened and to interact with one you're mentioning this lopsided by silence I love to see the scripts for these films because the idea that somebody statement moderate someone because the principal in a script if it's one page on the script it's ten minutes of screen time assuming that people are talking to each other yeah present couple of films as these pharmacists waves of people from their site and also want people to talk it's calm it's quiet there's no histrionics it's all wasted effort and a very kind %HESITATION dad pun play and even what we might call the film's climax where Johnny and supporters of because I think he just because his what seems to be his semi permanent partner you're listening by the one who keeps dropping in on and we have very little about the funds are being just says on nothing no one's going to use it I think it was and this is another thing is is %HESITATION if even at that moment he's crying he's upset but it's not that big shanty everyone needs to be feeling something really intensely right now but acting and even when cleo and cleo it has to be said it's an incredible character she is so capable organized not only is she great ice dancer and she S. as guitar hero she is a great cake you see her making really accomplished males and he by contrast doesn't count yeah he makes very sloppy basic meals that aren't sticking healthy she makes really elaborate complicated things and she makes it look really easy and seems to enjoy it she just doesn't she just phones up and borders the stuff and to make things and she just knows that there's no %HESITATION there's none of that when they're having breakfast she has a laptop I NG thank you making a list of all the things I have and what I need for comp and she's organizing everything but one point I wrote it is clear this film's couple ago and yes she is on the cover girl has certain characteristics and one of them is that sense of competence yeah very independent very able the second is that she's in her teens well she's a laugh and so she's pretty tame there's a discussion around whether eleven twelve countless teens tweens this is for if we say I mean she's very mature eleven year olds if you say I was born in the teens as an immuno of the ten I was gonna say he's running eighties someone set up on a channel in the team if you were in the teens it would be nineteen seventeen if you were born in the tent and she would have been nineteen twelve well that's how I would do it but I can't speak for all the few moments all right so she's completely I was a girl who is older than ten she's still a child she still girl she selling girl who'd go it includes quite a lot of years because Charlotte in most intensely she's the girl of the film well it took twenty third girl next to her if not for the woman that's what I think that's partly because she's being played by Scarlett Johansen who was only nineteen playing at twenty four twenty five year old I mean now finding I don't know maybe a Connecticut up water actually H. was when she was filming this but she looks about the radiation she doesn't like any older than thirteen certainly but he knows you calculation may not trade at telling the pages of small people he was born in April nineteen ninety eight so she would have been up by eleven or twelve when this is found when in twenty ten to come I should release dates seems like it was in the service maybe in the summer months of two thousand nine cameras from festival in September twenty ten seems general release the last couple months of content film the latest turn summer of twenty ten years almost exactly the same as a second yeah she's a couple of girls in some respects one of which is that she's not self conscious she's in recent she's very confident she does get cold pretty and beautiful and things like that all the time but there seems to be a respect I noticed that the guy he seems to be her uncle Johnny's brother seems only to be there when she's there he's never run to and Johnny's on its own with the pharmacy there's a party yet but he's not on his own because that's just some expand that Schiff stuff that is we have one more nerdy observation her city this you know how we noticed on yeah the energy sector okay because we noticed on the bling ring it was dedicated to him is lost from and he's been responsible for a decision to have one of the trucks with the bling ring ransacked house shot from quite some distance away an extreme long shot and it's just listen for the glass in this house another is that bit where Johnny he's been driven home after the press junket and this is the driver coming make a quick stop is on the ground at similar drugs is fine the camera stays outside still showing the comma with the driver waiting for John can see into the big window you can see Johnny he goes in and it's his girlfriends I don't know if it's come across to me that this was a regular person that he has I wouldn't say they had a romantic relationship just a regular person because he has lots of other people the full time I am up it was gotten quite comedic No Way women are eyeing him up and there was a letter that I thought was bald and lost in translation the question of who he is comes up quite a lot there's this identity crisis going on because he doesn't have a southeast this actor guy he's just Johnny Marco anything not name is starting on a message just to kind of generika geranium and there's no sort of personality behind who you thought could be it's just the idea of Johnny Marco %HESITATION that Hollywood actor he does that he spake blockbuster action may face and so these women I know he he is and they're attractive so he'll go with them on these main characters I did think of one point this isn't storms critique of Stockton the firm seem to be very much into people doing what they're good at I'm very much against people being famous for being famous and what we have with Johnny use him you know who will be working up by his agent phoning and saying this because outside waiting to take you to this thing he's not planning his dying during way tell done before going was directed by his agent told there's a bed at the party but this is really young aspiring actor stops him and tried to ask him a few questions some advice he asked Johnny if he studied socks saying anything no no I just call any agent that addiction started getting parts keep at it you'll be fine and just walks off and doesn't care it's all very funky thank you Saturday or to seems to be something he fell into by accident they didn't seem to be really trying hard to date the shift to come this guy and it doesn't seem to have been what he really wanted to today but that has given them this access to pull these things in life according to the logic of the from the reason why so constantly budget to do junkets and to do what he does to it the first program at primary and there's an award show he's become a production he's become yeah I think it's important to to an industry regardless of whether at the time of the phone takes place he's working out cool regardless of whether he still has the skills for which he initially became a production by the firm's quite strident that he doesn't have the skills anymore if he ever had the baby there was a lot of blood he's not a worker in a cultural market for the whole of this film even the bit where he's doing a photoshoot with us he's coached on the phone he shot some time for this the job of acting like their friends and Connie can do that that was a telling saying America wide shots show that he's been standing on the block to pay slightly taller than her yeah that's another point to losses major Hollywood metal stuff I'm not actually is total is working on a huge blocks in a couple of to three inches but if there any standing on a and it shows she am something on a verified and then subtly reveals that and I find it fascinating the scene where he has to go into that press static makeup child where he gets this whole had paid imposter this is a couple of things I think she just likes to have fun usual things happen for real in front of the camera yeah what's that it revealed itself there is a slight tipping over into documentary he said when I was playing when it reveals what it is they've been dating and that's actually been %HESITATION pathetic make up tried to make him look like an old man so it must be for his next role and it seems like a really reveal the fifteen rounds we could see the miracles of after hours of him do you make up and prosthetics I thought that Stephen Dorf coming round yeah hello brother no one yeah there was just a tiny glimmer of I can see why he might be a valuable worker in there this call for industry and it's that one we could get somebody who's actually done sold to play the role only somebody's young fit would have the stamina to actually work in a similar case eight twelve which shifts from from someone who's battled just would be able to or it may be suggested it could be a time travel thing for the film the skip in time because that's where we seen that before that was the smallest glimmer of some indication that he might have skills that were needed for this market yeah it was this is a guy who wants to be doing music it seems like these are the in term of mount Caesar the banal between moments of that way of life of thought industry worker doing promotion for one felt that was found a year or two ago fine you for call on the phone I mean your costar because you pastor off probably because he fell asleep halfway through %HESITATION you having sex with her like he does a couple of times with people and %HESITATION it's like a critic of the vacuous ness of this way of life and nothing's really radio even if there's moments of real life and that you can't get enough of the constant on them because he's not part of his daughter's life enough and they both know that they both come to realize that he apologizes for that in a way that's really silly because the scarlet helicopter behind him and she come here her in so much is starting as the practice of using a person as a production value because it doesn't include some sort of mechanism for realizing when a person is stopped being a production line that could be seen as a bug in the system our system of making culture which otherwise maybe okay as far as compass consent but she seems to think it's not okay for someone to just stop being stopped and both Bob in lost in translation and Johnny in some waxing to be liberated by those moments of anonymity they are normal guys swept up and nice strange way of life night notifying that this world of celebrity puts all the bike the image what you like I can not tell anybody Sadie says stop persona of the Hollywood actor Johnny Marco and he's really just living a life of what you're supposed to do when you are that person know that surface image of a person and not the real actual guy there's just no %HESITATION attachment and then not swear the identity crisis comes because there's nothing to read on TV and he's not even think he's living in hotel rooms he's call no home he's got no place of his own he's championed the stagnant and transient at the same time unlike most in translation the hotel is not a place of discovery and adventure the hotel is buying and yeah hello it gets quite boring actually saying these women just sitting around with no top on the fourth pair of boobs that we saw in this film was the point where I went %HESITATION we're supposed to have demystified these pointless point and says Johnny and Johnny paid to hire fifteen before spitting out office or on the mark well that's the thing because there's not ready for moments of these are on the phone if the agent has phoned and telling them about the at least check the acetate and he's just looking around and on the balcony below there's a woman who's been sunbathing in a bikini and she looks up she sees it as and she on those that became the top and basically flashes him and he kind of just turns around and walks away thank you yeah these women are telling him and a lot of different ways I am sexually available T. age simply because of who we are I'm not sexually available to all man from sexy the availability rate because you're a Hollywood star with no personality so I just want to have slept with you because of what he are rather than who you are as a person or that I even find she bop a tractive because he's really shopping came please never change the event he's been beaten up he's got his rest and that costs for most of the phone impedes his ability to do quite a few things he's got braces honest faith either execution but now he says as he stands and stomps that's gone wrong that kind of thing these days it was just the differences there just south I'm searching because he's actually pretty cordless and then I started to think about you can send the vision women here just really wanting to have sex with him I was interested in because there's one where at the party he just says hello to someone and then the next thing there and bads she's really gotten into it and he keeps repeating kiss me kiss me and that made me think well he seems to be wanting some kind of a faction not necessarily the sexual gratification but he really wants to be cast here he wants a faction rather than sacks they can't dine to things and he goes to go dine on her and then pretty much immediately falsely produce from ago always dead there's no reason was going to sleep out quickly we just died but he did not he hasn't necessary finest safeties prostate because he's been drinking very heavily and he's also on medication for pain and things like that the arc of this film is he learns to rise above all that stuff because of these developing relationship with care and it was working last year clear which prompts him at the end together I don't think I'm gonna be famous anymore and he just walks away from not just is great but the seemingly all of his personal possessions exotic car yeah he's just a guy walking down the highway with his concert yeah winds ten to the sun if the firm attended a couple of seconds earlier from a dozen often do without really upbeat numbers music in the last few seconds my sister would have been his golf clubs because the music to him before that was quite urgent and quite scary yeah where's that was quite a bit it was quite nice on any smiling and that was the thing is that the coverages and just watch him walk away it comes right into the front of him and I was looking at everything he's leaving behind the car they think they've left the key in the ignition so he has no need for this card that looks really found safe but sign second over Iraq and runs like an old crack it's not a good car and he was on the phone the fully signed some credibility I meant to write on here that site designer was and I just missed the nam so much of the start of the film is so quiet that the slightest signed becomes really amplify and pretty meaningful and there's so much non talking between Johnny and cleo so much communication going on they have a really sweet scheme of table tennis they're just in their fire fates the home really nice though holy that's really sweet and it just actually remind me your daughters the way yo planted garden in your bare face was just normal it's a family thing even during my recent trip to respond with tongue firmly in the White House had a founding member of table tennis with my little brother exactly done nothing with it for over a decade exactly the terms on this very important part of hunting and all that they do lots of reading I things together there's even a moment where he says you want to stay another day before I take you to come in she says yes her mom has decided it seems to just dump her mom's story yeah I was really expecting it to become a big thing where he would have to go and find what happened to him %HESITATION even though the restaurant is because something quite serious injures up into a mountain maybe how mom and killed herself I think you look into much into that space from the party shows just over ninety minutes and it was a bite those almost dead boring moments in life between things let's say I'm in the habit of going on to find out about big picture because I don't see evidence of that definitely worth the fight this is about the tiny things that will inform me I was hearing her voice in the phone being very vague and saying that can you just make sure she gets the comp on this date I just need time it seems like this person is going through some mental health issues we have very little by her we don't know whether they were married or not before fourth eighteen and that nothing relationship or not before we don't know if she'd been one of his conquests who got pregnant or if they don't actually have a meaningful relationship yeah I think that they probably did it but he's a womanizer so it's not going to work all right but cleo in the car %HESITATION Saturday but he very quietly brick sign that's quite soon after she has very quietly broken dined and the car and he just noticed says that she's been silently crying beside him and comforts her and he doesn't say very much all he really says don't cry and it's not very effective but then so should do fun things with her he seems to have actions rather than words with her I got the sense of optimism but he's been in Las Vegas and shooting craps in the casino yeah and she has to stand one away from the table yeah that seems to be an actual thing than the actual what is it creeping has to tell you to do actually told I was trying to do this list suddenly being in the same room as real people doing their job yeah and that's and that's the same with finishes out over yeah so strange it was like he just pop to come visit so for a couple on sex this is an emergency we need to for ten seconds so it's just a tiny conversation last month and I don't even know what they're supposed to be yourself or the stadium they guess it was so quick it was over in any never come back question I think on the fly through all these films because I have a hunch that I might be right is the civic open never shows people having consensual enjoyable sex to completion because either it's not consensual it's not enjoyable or it's not completed because of several instances in this if you separate or Johnny just passes out then there's a long way after some sex with the person who lives across the hall from him in the home town but it's happening off screen so it's not stealing shown you just have after Logan and had both going up and down when we watched force I was uncomfortable about the fact that Spielberg had made all the French people and young people speaking to each other separately we were hearing them speak French but magically hanging rather than having subtitling and just as infuriating as during seven product lines is there some talking welcome to speak in their native languages business sometimes so both are really jarring and then there's several numbers when they initially in someone where campuses speaking Italian and now sometimes again first quarter loss of yeah that's the timing dialogue and we're being put into the point of Germany yeah nine to seven cleo because they don't understand the Italian menswear with them and you just get a few bits and pieces and then some of the anti and characters and people think cameos as well because a lot of those were real personalities were saying that all things are tiny translations enough for him to have understood what's going on so the person interviewing them on the spot for TV and on the stage at the award shows this is speech Schrader and that time again but he isn't calling him up and the tiny in Egypt it seems the guy organizing and sort of in charge of everything is tracked their tops on the shoulder to let him know that you're going now when they say your name they're gonna say your name anything she has them M. I. consists of the stages you're sending clash they do best like that because they have to communicate with him in general the real people whose journey into it's with a really nice so there's a guy whose job it is to take care of his comma James he's going nuts the people who stuff the hotel that they were enough to initially the more local hotel well really nice people as a host of contrast between characters who have quite a serious counter deficiency and busy people around them who in spite of being busy or just generally nice and do things for them and then jump into somebody else's shepherd of income outside the swanky hotel in Italy the drive goes on even in a car and then drive is always here for you Johnny I'll take you any place just helping there was a moment when I think both of us got a sense that this was not into the graduate for me it was during the underwater basket not just the front those underwater filming but it was under water filming in a swimming pool a very bright day since the water seems to be kind of glowing with all this refracted light and then characters enter the shot from above the gym it is harmful and there's a moment of I'm not sure what I'm seeing those bubbles and sometimes everything and then they're looking more or less straight into the camera itself five midway through the culture cumbersome the graduate they have a really lovely bonding moment again and the political effecting a pretend tea party it's really funny the last one that we got there you can't go above that level thank so when it was really sweet and funny things like Stephen Dorf an alpha thing as actors must of had a reading of the report is coming three at least fifty dead from this one's in my heat it's meant to show initiative whose R. Carter and then he giggling coming and going he runs the show and he's got her over his shoulder and those moments I was going to market had a good start but it will but now it was okay to be done if we quit trusting they thought they saw is very sweet and the thing that really redeems Johnny is his capacity to have a relationship with clear which insulates her from all of these other versions of femininity these adult versions of femininity that are quite sexually charged is his ability to respect the fact that for a good at least six of seven years yet she's not going to be that convention and so you know be carrying her down the corridor weather's giggling and playing is one of the warm parts of this film that's the way in which scattered about there's a bit where chaos is describing a novel about a vampire not being able to be with unknown vampire we're seeing some pretty sure it was twilight rulers I was Russell it's not a blatant bid of Hey this is a teen and teens are different from kids and grown ups in fact become like aliens because I didn't think that such a couple did blatant versions of that but I suppose actually thinking about it she does the place that was a big novel at the time I mean if this is two thousand ten I remember people right now then I'm not the target audience the people he removed it from on the net and then Brady enjoy and that it was all right around that time and coming back there's also possibly a ferry flight and all of T. Stephen or characterization is the head of the younger vampires yeah his generation from Verizon sprint T. even very grown and they're taking over from the old %HESITATION course because there's something at bats K. for Sutherland and lost boys by Stephen door and how it affects I find Hey %HESITATION the shape of this faith thing I think it's a very sought after I I really like them he said SO three and she's really impressive this candy Darling and I shot on the fourth hole that's funny I'm going from a trans character and not and then this guy Johnny who's quite hyper masculinized as efficient %HESITATION you've got him freaking night when the Mr %HESITATION the agency hasn't told him hi this guy works on that his regular person becoming thank you for getting this month coming and that this guy works naked naked by men chosen by on that edge naked guy come on the it was one of those still self contained episodes set pieces this is the thing about corpus films is okay we're gonna have this thing happened in this country now and then that's going to show or something or it's going to slow is about the character is what he's gonna study changed character but then the causality that that sets up well because I was you know things about us now is when I'm gonna have another thing that happens to a character a couple of days later well a crew change from having sold the chain of change what a crew information about character and it doesn't give couples phones a sense of temporal use was the best way to put it doesn't lack something it just doesn't do that temple agency that comes from okay now we've got the causality from C. names going to seeing being now it's changed because of these events and that same chain of causality carries on scene six month lease agreement what sort of building up a little bit more of the picture by this guy because the central questions he is Johnny Marco because that's one of the questions he's asked that the pastor okay that he has to go to a and he can't answer that question he doesn't know so he's a guy he doesn't like that or at least doesn't like that being sprung on him there's a lot of things that are sprung on him again there's no histrionics he just cyclic I'm sorry man and I'm not into this thanks for coming here anyway but I'm not saying this it's all very amicable actually there's no drama it's just no I'm not happy with it so stop and I and the guy stops in a nascent fine it's been a lack of communication that has been not the fault of theirs we watched film score by John Williams recently if Germany was given that seeing your they'll be trumpets that would be violations galore there would be these kind of sweeping and motive melodramatic hints about how this was the fifth of seven points was complete just goes no no don't do that %HESITATION I play of intrinsic in about ten minutes time for the moment you're going to have this plant in a single shot and I'm just gonna acting do I thought the music was already restrained on this %HESITATION and it is used to log but compared to the others to slot machines in the bling ring it has to be there and it has to be almost constant because the gang are almost constantly listening to music and Marie Antoinette's she's almost constantly partying them contemporaneously that's being paid is telling a lot of the narrative in terms of mate but here it was a fully signed I think was great and I love the grunt work in this film it's wouldn't be accurate to conclude that she uses sound very little of all is that she uses sound in a way where the effectiveness of it both the trustee of it to me is heightened by the fact that for the past five minutes you've been hearing someone even just parts where there's a very slow %HESITATION Dalian on Johnny when he's getting that plaster work done around his head and all you can hear him very thing and just a very tiny ambient signs and the workshop or mind the really tiny just that Arab the white noise of life it's a quiet workshop there's nobody else around it just laughed and sat in there and he's breeding stuff %HESITATION he can date in that moment is great because it actually shows when they're complaining that surround around its axis hole has covered and he just call these holes at its nostrils all he can do is sit still and brace and the signed as Brady focusing on operating and has had century for intimate his nostrils are pretty much dead center to pull fram reminders is this medicine off because we talked about that is ostracized probably counting within that section Digimarc in some way we're not getting what it's like behind the scenes of filming a film or preparing for film or anything the film is just what it's like to be someone who works in that profession but we see some blobs of the work involved in the work of sitting down and having you had most of it is something which couple seems rather interested in depicting he seems to want to go okay I'm gonna show you a couple of things about what it's like to work in this industry one will be that your agents constantly on it hit another will be during junkets with people haven't seen for years and the other one's going to be just being very patient four people poke around your head that's very physical and there's a lot of to do non consensual touching that he have to be okay even at that press conference him the actress we're having the kind of hug and smile and talk to each other and they're not happy about that she the ticket is not happy about that but they have to do their job and they have to and she's better at acting happy about it and he is he just six actually conveys and I think it's a really delicate balance to get actually is that I'm trying to be happy with this but I'm not happy with this kind of look at your face doesn't you have to be slightly back to you with your online is asking me how he but not really happy with the tiniest little differences with how tight the card is zero and the furry forget because I think this is something that underpins the famine it's really subtle but it's easily forgotten about it is the text messages he keeps getting from the anonymous number that insults him and then full time usually I think three question posed to him that you think you're hot shot the VA stuff like that and they really passive aggressive almost operators times anything he's been followed they see me even to be taxed from somebody who can see what he's doing at the same that way the comic moments when he's just done something yeah and of course this is something that covers probably taking pride in by this point Accuray and I have no explanation and he doesn't even racing to react he gets the taxi looks at it you see what it is if it's a phone line for gains by that and so the next time it happens just looks at me so and then forgot about it but there's always see this internal buildup of stuff going on he doesn't really know who he is if the the sort of person Hey maybe he thinks he's doing something differently or that he's doing what he's supposed to daisy and LA if you're famous actor you're supposed to act like you think you are something but I'm just saying they I don't think he does think he is something because he's so peripheral alone and very public places he got the party seems to be in his own place he's kind of mowing your rhymes %HESITATION these peripheral he's in the background I he saying somebody had come over to get something and they'll say hello and they won't stop to talk to him not to smoke off very quickly then he'll just make a beeline for someone he's he's probably never met before but has been looking at him and then immediately it would be in bed together and again it's nothing to do with him as a person that day with him as an icon convalescing about technical for movies podcasts and the three guys who do that together Norwegian's eighth on Ryan and I both have this constant comedy routine about how when they go to a theist events and on the go three of them recently at the American atheists annual convention in Oklahoma City that party women just throw themselves after three of them even though as they constantly joking apart costs none of the three of them are a tool easy on the house that they're a lot better as oh dear I used to think unless this guy exponentially I can believe this something of a celebrity here even if it's minor celebrity we just lose your ability to make important distinctions in that situation another stylistic thing complacent because comfortable keeping our cameras down to earth people's faces yeah so do it only in close yeah even with those slower in which creeps doesn't get too close to a dozen get intimate the majority of the shots %HESITATION no closer than medium long shots the long shot seems to be able to stand it there are several ways of making distinctions about things that are further than long shots of the very long show the extinguisher she's fine with that as well as safety the ping pong table tennis if you take the same action and for me to really concentrate on the interaction between two characters you for me in a simple short consultant way shooting each of the two actors in something like mediumship maybe made in class it's a very complex one camera filming no question the sign but also from one of the corners but back quite a bit so it's a long shot you can see everything and they're doing it for radio there are actually falling on mission to be improving as well yeah yeah it's reasonable to tell what is improvised dialogue and what is not but I think it's one as places where you can trust your instincts but they probably built up a reporter and she's been able to say just play a game you know and to be fairly naturally about remember your roles with each other and five go to Stephen she doesn't anything to call them anything to call them does not have any point I don't think she does I think you hear me every user name on the score their name tattooed on one of the alarms he's got quite a few tattoos I try to have a look at what some of the mark one of them said made in the USA there was another one that was broken but I thought it looked a bit like an eagle with stars so I thought there's maybe an American hero thing going on the all American hero again this is sort of mythical character that doesn't mean you have a personality it's just a stock character type really which seems to be the sort of roles that he plays a factor as fallen into playing there was a moment when they passed a car crash and it seems like it's a one car accident is very brave as they're passing it and it seems to be a sports car as driven into a wall of mines the ruse that hundred cable just not America already rolled down a hill and into a world without a driver it seems like they were just walking into work that morning on filling this out so much Hey this is been a constant %HESITATION Sunderland city government okay right I will get a comma we use in that it's gonna be a random thing that I found is that some of our sister is quite a history of films that feature car crashes in somewhere another but I think it's a big thing and John that god hours early films there's a lot of car crashes and has already found initial out of characters passing the aftermath of the crash we're getting into crashes that sort of thing the image took me back to those for a moment thank his weekends and I think it's even and Epicephala breathless there's a part where Michelle is quite nonchalant ruined an accident in Pittsburgh scoping out at something related violence does happen and people are just coughing up a list to be direct paths thing thinking about filming process is a film in which a character very early on get an injury and then spends most of the rest of the film with a conspicuous piece of dressing for the injury the only Capcom's miners Johnson all right yes but there are others I would think and when to you is that you chase by writing on her dad's Kosten it's caught in an interesting way you have the second time with the pole dancers and one of those really annoyed with them and goes off and the other one goes up to him kisses and unpopular bubble gum and then there's an implication of not that sex happens and so it cooks the block and then the next thing a woman's hand is writing on the casting me think up the next morning and this woman's writing on this cast and then at the receipt with cleo hello garland it's clearly because she threatened her own %HESITATION trying inner knee and that week search out up top need me thank all of Grace Kelly and rear window because she is the first to write on Jefferies cast she writes here lies the broken bones of I think it's J. B. Jeffries I think actually you see that on his cast and places available later in the film as something similar at this part of her before you're sure to feel about it Grace Kelly paying this woman that was one of the shows that made me think when it's fun revealed that it's clear I'm not one of these two pole dances he seems to be having a relationship with that was one of those shots that made me think that is a deliberate attempt has to try and make the viewer feel uncomfortable about regarding the sexual beings because they hold up to some point where an eleven year old girl the firm just going through just gonna remember that women humans because there were kids once everything's in the house is it may be trying to say this adult hurting kids maybe doing something very different nearly opposite to the %HESITATION it's worth a rewatch of her entire corpus to times yeah thank you is very agile and that she is so capable I mean she's more capable than our parents in many ways and you think what are kids of hurry it's more capable and then made a C. thirty three it's because we've come tram tracks this may be the model for couples that is fit for X. when one is made fifteen one is that one structures not maintain she's thirty ten I mean this one that I'm not meant to the state was looking at her in town up there is indication that she's going to develop she's going to get back to you can become even more capable person and she moves further on the twentieth and said look at all the other couple of girls average the Milan the H. for these go seems to be meeting there does seem to be a sense that she has maybe had to become not capable because her parents are not capable thing that struck me is implicit criticism of Orlando is drinking doesn't seem to be any positive drinking because that's all drinking absolutely smashed out here has look in order for the phones of couples that we've seen last couple of months lost in translation drinking satiated with empty rhetoric mines one that there is some teen rebellion drinking and drinking for teenagers investigating is the first time that's okay bling ring this is so easy to criminality as jokes that go with the checking their drinking by adults in these films is not a good thing teenagers seem to be more questions to the benefits of drinking %HESITATION which is just a computer better providing against the parent culture I was thinking actually with other potential very subtle phone references when he's getting the path moulds done it was making me think about it the invisible man but this had dropped off the way it is and then again that questions over his identity he's quite anonymous in many ways Johnny Marco to email first name the first name and awareness Mike's par can expect an RNA fish public competitions with other Hollywood Johnny's action heroes where the name just kind of trips off the tongue when I was a teenager are quite pretentious laid plans the pseudonym I would use a five became a published author as of course is the No one one as a teenager and fix so confidently of one's abilities I've never used it on the network so I'm happy to share it I was gonna come as Edwin Andrews is one the things that says this isn't a real nice because it's two first names slinky retooled to make it look like an actual center same thing about John rocker's has that smack of even the stories by someone that he can be his real name because it's very common so I stopped working in a highly career in the city I think even the marquis or something like that and that's very common for people to come back to sure descended from immigrants say under five magnify the name Eric boundaries for example binary is actually short for badminton and there was a small indication that that might have been what Johnny done because the film here's a junket for seems to be about taglyan them no no I. Latin American characters there's honest about how the film up since last American characters and you just seem to blank yeah Hey Jeff question you got the sense that he turns up and he does the lines and then it goes again the young actor the young aspiring actors asking what kind of process he uses to see some assets %HESITATION here thing what what you mean method acting yeah yeah I mean that %HESITATION no I don't see any of that stuff he wasn't giving anything away but there was something this time to trace that he just doesn't really do any preparation he just turns up a satisfying to goes on I think a lot of actors do that it's a part of the machine they don't need to be experienced it turned out they say they need to say on the day somebody's probably feeding them the lines from the sidelines they just turned up the day they go wasn't love Kuleshov here broke that whoever you put in front of a camera to make fiction film should not be an act it should be something like a will he call the marionettes I could call them back to my kids anyway whatever time used the occasion was what you really want to put in front of a camera remaking a fiction film is something this is Kirsten automaton as possible but we just moved a hand from down here to up there at this particular speed at this particular time you just want to cost people according to the given physical qualities like heightened shoulder width for example have a book that kind of thing you know because people have things that they can do if they put some effort into it you know it costs people for their ability to protect and there is a lengthy history people and from at least being popularly demands to become film stuff just because there's some characteristics that they were born with rather than anything that can bring about fifty after faxing and rather than the ability to learn the skill of acting so that might be exactly what we just go in somewhere it's difficult again at least in this industry one does not need to be able to it just needs to be able to do exactly as one is told at any given moment what is the weather is actually true because it seems that amongst the assortment of the A. list stars yeah you've got a bunch of people who do seem to play themselves as a whole debate about whether the person that playing is actually themselves in these films because maybe they themselves that we see outside of the films is itself performed alongside that contra factors you seem to be playing themselves as another contractors who pride themselves on right the variety of roles they play definitely indicates the acting is something they have some ability at least I thought it was interesting hi cleo always has this to do good for tiny details used to being left on our own whether it's fire mother or father she's always prepared to occupy herself was a really nice touch because she pose that open date not long arrived at the hotel and that lady and the woman behind Greenwood Johnny because some of the sites this is an accomplished artistic using detailed measles and again it shows you have in your old days it okay and this is at the time and it has just exploded as a globally popular phenomenon she's got his back to defeat it she goes out of her product and just set those up because she's been left on our own so are you part of an increasingly small crowd said okay aficionados I was really big into different accounting that's the logical thing it's not just that she has something to occupy her this child has a lot to go brain she likes to solve puzzles she could give order to things she's coded as being very clever very organized orderly but even when the order arrived Herbert signed at a fax her again it's not very difficult conversation that this topic that company keeps bringing up is that people with the most excessive privilege and the morals are still not happy people that all the wealth and all the mobility and all the beauty and all this and this and all the nice clothes no look the hair being able to travel I mean all of those things if your parents are transaction in own life I'm not affecting you as to the left in your old need to control over that it's not that fun and it's difficult because if you come from any other kind of background and the last of the perfect system not that difficult to emphasize for ladies I'm just looking back through all six of these phone companies seems to concentrate on what it's like to be eighteen or does this seem to confirm what it's like to be in a position of go anywhere in this film the main point here is the bass off Johnny get some implied point of you stuff about creative but it's definitely not a film where care is the main character she's not then for the first few minutes and she's absent for the last ten or so minutes of wealthy she disappears from the story which is quite significant cactuses cannot be principal point of view character that's right the day unlike the other couple films because a lot of lost in translation I see most of lost in translation is from Charlotte's point view very sincere science there's a lot of the wells from the point of view these girls even though we don't get to hear what's going on and in a psychological landscape lingering the guy old man into an apple from the viewpoint of teenagers %HESITATION isn't even in the Commonwealth actually the phone doesn't start for the male characters it starts off with one of the girls going out to pick mushrooms and she finds him yeah this is unusual in diverting quartz lots of its attention to the outlook on life off and I don't mind the clear the thing that that amount is missing in his life is a meaningful relationship with a girl natural gas my name is on the phone towards the end he was breaking down into his regular person asking her to come over it seemed like he wasn't asking her to come over next Saturday for sacks he needed company needed affection attachment something and I was thinking he doesn't realize of what he really needs is his daughter he misses her and it's not clear that he recognizes that stops he's missing that cities trying to fill the gap please there's this boy age because he has a really good relationship with his daughter it's quite an effort this relationship mostly because she is so mature and self entertaining maybe a bit of a surprise to find that what he was doing that in the film was just striking out into the desert because I thought he was going off to spend some time with the smart symbolic thing I think because the film begins with them driving in circles and it ends with him walking forwards and leaving that behind and is spending the time with her which has enabled yeah so it doesn't just sit back now is one of the value of that relationship in the end this is a good piece of work I think yeah really solid phone I think that's probably my favorite of the six months didn't did say those somewhere was quick question I don't know if it's because I'm tired and it's been a long day but I did feel the time passing listen but we are used to things just moving much faster and a couple of sums aren't slow cinema but they are much lower than conventional film night so they are something in between so cinematic and conventional cinema what number is this if we're counting put costume which you and I've had a really tiny do you want to chat that's not the right past nine o'clock at night next time difficult because this is working all day and then by the time we watch the film it's usually after eight or nine I'm gonna give myself okay I have done something I rarely do we serve what's the entire scope of the films of director and publicist films are you okay yeah the system made about the same amount again %HESITATION tools okay host internet feature from apple right not counting luxury yachts have because that's a film of an opera that's a life thing most not yeah that's not quite the same okay so what center fees from out the office and director and I have watched a body of work which is student of mine is working only because the student is working on it well primarily I was forced to because I want to do what Copeland for for for many because that students writing on it I've done stuff like this before I had a student writing on one film for a five thousand word essay Anderson from before and it was the asset but they were specifically assigned to me to develop over the course of an entire semester yeah in that situation of course but never gonna watch the entire fees from out of a direct have you seen any shock on the war on their causes and the fame might have seen all of my parents films that he happened to me she was well into a very who's in town I have seen but at the moment then when I can be sure of is the script I'm currently are not not working completely opposite leave the piece of writing that the student wrote on the company's phones I'm finally getting around to marking the day after tomorrow so I'm actually finding a quick to market this thing which I know some other things of note I think for the film this is a really nice static shocks quite alone seventy eight with clear %HESITATION and Johnny and the guy seems to be his brother her uncle %HESITATION sitting on the sofa and they're talking about stuff the whole time Stephen Dorf is amazing the cast for rail on his arm he's coming off from wrapping it off on that so real and it's all in one take interestingly as well like the show much that is performed for radio in front of the camera the camera static or it's there's no cutting it nice and the likes if they pull down saying that ice skating the guitar playing the guy playing the guitar and singing as a live that life this file but Johnny slash Steven door is not actually playing the piano and the back or we find he can but yeah because the show is so that his times are scared and we can't see he's not really playing it severe life twice with a Stephen Dorf pushing play FE compared piano is not as accomplished as the character is a show in which we can see a van Palantir's discovered and championed India to become future I was one of the more indicative shots of this restraint about getting cameras up in people's faces this lady is not convinced Starbucks are firm in the next room camera position and their status to provide a revealing comparison my colleague Tina tells me that when she's filming she always finds herself standing behind her own camera operator and physically pushing him closer to subjects and having seen only one of a film that I haven't seen it twice she loves to get cameras Reuters scribbles there's multiple sections we control for direct is on the spectrum of how close to one count as directors like to get to the cameras speakers at the distant end of that spectrum is a second think of any directors significantly further away from that cactus I would say if you go to %HESITATION soon yes I hear you say and maybe even the likes of reporter Rossellini whether Commish just sitting back and very domestic but now things are happening at the focus shop where everything is and clear view and it's up to you for your eyes to wander around and decide what you want to look at for me at this is communicating faces just them being themselves in the space for art ciders for checking in on this we're not getting too close because it's a private moment but also it's one of the many examples and some wire both non verbal communication and nonverbal bonding between father and daughter were difficult this comfort with him just playing a piano and she just called up this nine or not long before that where the guy he seems to work at the hotel free shipping the song seems to be called something along lines or at least there was a line of I just want to be your ten the barrier he's playing the guitar and singing to them SO very intimate moment and quite a fake public space yes but not that many people then and they're quite peripheral to everybody else he said Orion's fifty scoreless okay in an open space you know when I curl up on the sofa together and they're enjoying it and they appreciate the performance and it's very special the guy's not doing it for money he's doing it for pleasure today's essay title is severe coupler is in New York NY a realist filmmaker discuss because it seems that there's little elements there of wanting to be a documentarian in one section well there's a blurring because every film this document change every document thanks for listening and thanks her old shares on social media and support on Patreon at all makes a really big difference in getting the part I am making a podcast marmite they accessible to join us next week the same service girl hates and teenage girls %HESITATION and found a man that kind of thing they're all gonna pool Siri into next week and I've got a different co pilot so I really hope you enjoy listening to Christy Smith with me next week until 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