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Audiovisual Cultures episode 34 – Bohemian Rhapsody, Queen and Freddie Mercury (reissue)

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In time for the platinum jubilee, enjoy this remastered reissue of lost episode 34 in which film doctors Paula Blair and Andrew Shail talk about the Queen and Freddie Mercury biopic from 2018 (BBFC cert. 12A). We get into the film’s troubled production context, Andrew’s love of the band’s music and its significance in film culture, and we touch on the depiction of Mercury’s sexuality, persona and AIDS, the amalgamated supporting characters, the narrative structure and much more. Enjoy and please give this episode a good rating and share with a friend!

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hello I’m cold up there and you’re listening to the audio facial cultures the podcast that explores lots of different areas and found the arts and media I’ve got a cheekily time to re issue for you today the last of our lost episodes is number thirty four after fresh showed if the screening chats with Dr Andrew she’ll way back in twenty eighteen I thank the Ximen wraps today in the Freddie Mercury and queen biopic west a troubled production history the timing of this re release it’s a bit tongue in cheek and won’t matter told if you’re playing this at any other point in the future but this falls in the wake of Queen Elizabeth the second’s platinum jubilee I’m not trying to be political hello it’s no secret that I wouldn’t mind having a go at some sort of children %HESITATION Chris say on these islands but here we are it seems like as good a week is Anne T. celebrates a British institution for me I choose not to be bisexual son of Parsi Indian parents whose four octave range singing voice and flamboyant stage persona made him perhaps the greatest rock performer of all time but that’s just me before catching up with four years younger Poland and Andre a massive thank you to our champion patrons over it PhD on dot com forward slash AP cultures he enjoyed lots of extra goodies and return for their support I really appreciate Charlotte’s for AV cultures part on socials as well especially if they’ve got a confidence boost her and store I can always use those for example at the suit one hundred and twelve gas John badger reached out on Twitter but his guest experience saying holy cari if I didn’t know me I think I was mildly intelligence your editing skills are on point I couldn’t be more pleased thank you you’re very welcome John ideal for quality service I may not be able to pay myself for my guests but quality phone conversation are guaranteed if you’re interested in being part of the show as a guest to worse to have your feet background alright head over to the contacts and cancels features that audio visual cultures dot com for night the show must go on so let’s go stone cold crazy and write the wild winds with this discussion of Bahamian Rhapsody swearing this button mainly including from the film or things to be a mercury is known to have Sadam performed we also discussed the film’s imagining of mercury sexuality and its diagnosis and of course we spend a lot of time on the music and depictions of the performances in the film J. enjoy and I cried and sometimes picking up do you want %HESITATION I don’t because I think it’s been a thing for both we yes it’s my choice yes we can the Bahamian up city which once cinematically amazing as well as having for me that is fiction you can always it’s going to one six I still love the cinema the woman next to me holding service because they were when it was one of those so much for this story that Friday sequence is made you want to get up and dance so I didn’t remember you know it was great we made a rather silly mistake of going well it’ll be at three thirty H. Sunday off the main screen tell me no need to book ahead seven point eight six seven seven this comes doing really well this room with a fantastic soundtrack of course but also from six AM to you can see queen in the studio recording their first album really experimental stereo and circles in order to show that that being really telling the sun did you know what to do of course the same standard effects have to be replicated in my answer there was all this flipping the sound from the because that’s my my brain works these days in the opening credits when I saw Bryan singer’s name he’s probably the obvious choice but also he’s just a name at the minute because he’s one of the many people he said here’s one of those but I don’t really know the details a good few people I have been completely switch yeah for this goes to the graphic pretty much three yeah this customer doing just inserting himself in the Freddie Mac for this he was in almost every show he was physically ready from the first one we see and he’s getting ready to go out and listen to a little because of the way up to the very long climactic scene live right everyone gets twenty real time I think it was even that’s why he makes the words differently in the version of a thing that you did and they did not rami Malek the same slightly different ways that was very did they do that thing with by that point according to what I have been getting ready for so many times yeah given the switchboard the pharmacist is very easy to she gin and tonics one but to do it and it was the thing about somebody like Freddie Mercury so treating he was this one of I think it may take a couple I think for quite awhile there were rumors that one might have taken on the role of Freddie Mercury great so I think it took them a long time to find Freddie it’s important when you’re doing a this is what these real people bring lots of with the message John deacon rule really that’s fine walking across the really well done cinematographic Freddie’s head injuries reduce stress and these extra Charlotte reviews he’s on stage some of the show’s kind of extreme close up which you can only do by completely computer generated in focus yeah there is going on with having it going the instruments almost twenty three that’s our bus where underneath it went on before the storm runs right up said Brian may’s guitar I think it is control in the next couple of shots coming out I come like a drunk looking down on them and it was what I’m submitting it was a it was different from we will rock you stem from it was thanks to so many of them they had so many out there so many there was one glaring omission for me and then I realize they’re saving it the stock may know I understanding it of course there has also the show must go on that was one of the tracks on that album I think it’s awesome response he was and of course someone says the show must go on so even though that was not the clean up of banks and stuff in the last few months they did the eight story having him realize he’s got it and then having the crisis these going to just make music thank for this and it’s happening fast and this time he knows his time is limited so it’s very we need to have come and find me when it’s ready and realize I can dance strong this was a bit of a brave posing and as the walking off stage of the live in concert in nineteen when he lived for six and a beta six years contains these and I just became old enough to go and see I’ve always loved playing music by the time I was really aware I didn’t think anything about and I dare say going nine the huge presence of queens in mine came with me was my older brother maybe it was just yeah I’m from the south going okay so we know about this green which is eighty three known about more nineteen seventies going in the nineteen eighties at the end of it we it’s very few hits from that album they did in the early nineteen eighties and the queen yeah Highlander the queen does movie soundtracks there’s so many different queens and queen I love the jokes about finding love with my account please there was always conflict what to do with businesses while you can have a single which is over six minutes long which is perhaps how the problem I’m having my as expected of a DM all right his name okay so while yeah okay sorry this reminds the wings well doing this we want songs that kids are going to be had a specific statement that maybe not seasonal it’s going to be the and then some you know I would become a song somebody’s six German children many references fine where we needed to see if on the way like a rock the way that these relationships whether whether it’s not really ready to do another in the long term he was there was a new version with somebody I didn’t get he wants it to be perfect and then moves on to situation where they just good friends by six having this is going from strength knowing it’s not someone who comes in you know he says merry I think this is Friday afternoon for a while but you yeah she dismissed that’s never any acting yeah he seems Neil yeah I think this guy told me it was his minders manager every day nothing about it I do you know if any of us I don’t know about that I didn’t know anything about it so anyway the character he’s quite an emotionally manipulative controlling relationship the calling of the city and state almost and take them away from clean every this CBS summer to do so it seems like he thinks on his face I’m not sure I’ve taken that up right it seems like he gets wind of this offer he gives it to the manager John rates and says it should come from here so it’s all John ready for anything sorry is it could go either way and his idea returns are not some of it gets really hurt that they’re trying to break away from the and so but then it ends up later on doing it because this guy Paul is obviously one trying to siphon away from history France %HESITATION okay because yeah one of the best number I was really just an instance of an the case was over it was welcome to the forty in some in some of the albums yeah this is going to cost was this is somebody gives me an extra seven when the the recording an album right it wasn’t a modern thing that happened when I was three different events and six okay yeah re release do you have a sense the firm says this is Anthony from breaking get changing the dressing up okay London then you wouldn’t have thought that you she had a mistake three from the also this is the having this yeah we get you can get around it by just not having sex in fact with NATO’s so there’s no signs of heroin use or anything like cocaine use their hands heavy drug use going on get rid I think it he’s been led into this it’s almost like he’s call has wanted all the things in the failed the state becomes his best you know he’s a puppet master name Freddy gets Weissman merry comes once the reality it must have been but it’s just %HESITATION thing of all land when Freddie gets my stamp click on the one night stand or any Germany when merry called for five minutes from England fires on the spot like it’s sort of a seven everyone seeing again there’s always a knowledge base of things are you know you’ve gone wrong that’s when all the freaks come but that’s all taxes and I’m not the case Intel type thing you know he gets his money for doing all the media and by Friday my has anybody you don’t know to what extent anything straight actually station so maybe it’s a moment fading sorry for Friday that things happen it’s hard to know what the trees and hippos now could save this film which was finally ready we in a sense he was a ticket to the final when it came to do yeah yeah there you have it you’ve been taken apart just torn off to one side has been very Katie being quite confirmed with my family often really split yeah keep seeming to think that she needs it belongs to him yeah because the noise makes on this day we also have to point out that the way the film seems to make it ideal for families to get back together after Freddie has this crisis in Germany while buttons and pull in the license he’s in a relationship and also realizing the second going from nixes really wants to get nineteen point zero twenty one respond to the small people are comedy quartet whenever they recorded together since a breeding whenever there’s conflict one just needs to make it yeah everything’s fine so this one is complete another one bites the dust it’s just about getting anyone to do any work getting a physical fight and then I think it’s off screen it’s just John deacon yeah right yeah and I go three great wait wait wait a minute so there were these moments always gonna go wrong is going to come back together because their rooms didn’t even we would like to do and then of course when we get back together shortly before live eight and almost certainly didn’t happen because they messed it up together so you thank %HESITATION occasion either her sure more than a week Anthony it’s a working again a moment and I’m sorry the comedy of the film in dramas like this is really essential to have this moments here and there and a few years yeah it works very well and it’s very tightly times and everything the Christ really with it because it was great seeing it with I meant for the people who were clearly how can a day on not only does one is sure one moment of the woman next to me said during the summer end of it when they were recorded along to the on from the house and I was trying to persuade the executive of the MI paste by minus to release but he knows these online and I was and it wasn’t what it was before do this all right now but it’s going to be new yeah pretty plays a bit of opera it’s going to be a musical theater it’s going to be fantastic and he goes no one listens to all and the woman next to me when I heard from a seventy mistake you’re talking to the screen the screen is if there’s no one else yeah but yeah it was it was amazing the moment it was raining we watched it at home well I think I got really excited and saying things are going so I and we’re gonna be out of this building in about three minutes thank you well I am saying that we shades D. another proper operating as well a bit later when we got time to make some stuff I think is I think we’re going to need to get some details that we aren’t able to do at the moment one question for you %HESITATION did you cry I welled up a fair few times I have to say me too the jets that’s the kind of film where I’d wanna fill me with a disabled people see how much they are always the weather and I want to see when and where they only have get a free opening credits the twentieth century fox yes I did a special version of the twenty three folks from with cinemascope extension which was a rock version %HESITATION with lead guitarist Rafiq Bhatia I’d like to know thank you it wouldn’t surprise me Brian made today I think so I think this is why we need to go except from if you’re using the number for your records he was a British citizen from birth probably something to do with the fact that his father was he worked at the British colonial office in Zanzibar also that he was he was a member of several other bands before he introduced himself to smile that’s one of those ways in which they’re simplifying reforms of Larry you rex I just realized that I completely missed the Kenny Everett at the mouth I was in I didn’t realize that but I was a kid so slow why here even talking to the media on your part because I was like this is familiar I think that this is supposed to be somebody who I know come look at who it is but yeah it’s can well and the apparently that was a big part of the union reps to getting after it was but they were already made is there a quite flamboyant and that it was ever who first put that someone intent on national radio station on capitol Monday in the capital radio itself haven’t actually accepted the song ever it just pretended to accidentally play it John McCain ever played the some thirty six times in one day I thought there was something to do with it being a baby science to something else that’s the way that you tend to get someone to get airplay that doesn’t fit with the I could quite possibly spending mostly just reading stuff about thirty minutes server very firmly two three we’ve been reading about mowing get some clarification so interesting actually the production context it does seem to have been quite a dog for a long process yeah seconds with the director because we have both noticed at Baxter Fletcher was in there executive producer credit is often quite a waiting list of executive producers from yeah and this can mean quite a few things by inductively just case it turns out that he got an executive producer credit because he directed something like the last quarter of principal photography and of course started on editing as well did a lot post production director stuff as well after Bryan singer has what seems to be a family crisis yeah because I think I think a remember reasonably things like that but it’s just one of those fleeting things that you read and didn’t really pay much attention to it time and we’re also constantly having production news about films that’s all no it’s going to be coming out for several years yeah that we don’t get a heads up so we set the stuff for some catering and then suddenly there’s a film being released so it seems that this film has been in production one from another well the it’s been being made because this pre production in one form or another since twenty ten and so we’re quite lucky to finally got a film out of the big team of people who were involved in this which included Jim beach repairs in the film police who has played in the film very well by Tom Holland that someone that doesn’t do much actual using his face but I think then it’s just the person who you cost is people who want for express via place those people very well he’s become a real stalwart I think if British film he’s been in so many days and take up also should have been found here is fighting and that part I think it for sure members wasn’t he the real reason he won and prior to the carribean in the second and third seconds ones that’s my first memory of him yeah but yes he’s good at playing those characters that was nice actually to CM as one of the back bone characters and Bahamian upstate it was nice to see him as a guy in his reading here about a research project undertaken in twenty sixteen to understand the appeal behind Freddie mercury’s voice which president for that he definitely had a vocal range of just over three octaves which is quite some right and that he has a fast of a broader than the other thing is that we get from having a scientific explanation of why this guy’s voice was quite amazing okay put the sounds on me we’re in a situation of being really unable to tell with this part of the sounds are it seems to have been placing a layer of forty are from old recordings of Freddie mercury’s voice on top of what we’re getting from Ron Maddox force them certain points where it’s running Malick singing and then certain points where it gets a decidedly different quality of because he’s trying to sound as much like Freddie Mac as possible so the real uncertainty about his voice to getting anyone what of course Dr Barone I have decided to compare the size of our queen collections mine’s quite fragmented though because a fellow friends it’s just a few songs from lots of different albums I thought it was from someone else’s special collection sweet lady one of the lessons and so much of the upper this is the one with the line that’s really killed in the phone right one of them says this you call me sweet like I’m some kind of cheese some of the lyrics to some of the lesser known songs sound weird but it’s not like the lyrics to that mornin songs on tweet it we just got used to these very weird things that you say in a big operatic voice when singing the songs and you do rarely sang the songs particularly doing karaoke other Beltre’s it’s safe you can call them this because a lot of things to get serious I think to try and give things a better border where they basically think it by the film as biopic genre it feels like the wrong term sub genre feels like it doesn’t do it enough justice but the biopic as a mode of storytelling in film is something I find really fascinating the overwhelming narrative and biopics generally tends to be the great and history services but this one central character he’s the hero or anti hero of the thing I think what I really liked about this is that it’s not titled Friday it’s not type of mercury X. title but he may not say I’m not very much Freddie mercury’s songs but it does mean is more about the bonds and they are such a huge feature and so much is made of the bands in the film especially them all referring to each other’s family they find their paper I find their tribe that’s part of the look of the film when someone refers to green is very friendly and Freddie goes then all my family in the early stages not these people are my family and then after you go through a crisis and it goes back and he arranges this reunion with them then he says your my faithful that calls back to the very first meeting I have with people from nine AM Miami Freddie says where the mess but don’t fret and the other members of the band talk about as being a fun night because none of us fat and the people that we are doing this for don’t fret wear a different kind of family so at Kohl’s box that so Friday and sept and say that but he’s part of that discussion they are saying that my hands the films about queen back coming as clean as they could possibly get you off the first trying lots of different ways of doing it and getting it right at some points and not getting it right now points and I suppose that there’s generally fit with the stress of what I’ve seen and I do get the sense that we’ve got lots of moments when we’re getting a fictionalized account which you might be trying to make everyone appeared to be better people than they actually were and it definitely begin the fictionalized accounts which is making it one appeared to be a lot more power I think in the way they speaking yeah the people nevertheless even for the metric that monologue about fruit flies wow I think it is it’s done between two people who are looking at each other yeah definitely come here it’s an extremely heavy rain I mean turn around sell dying poor suffering in taming taming ran looking away from each other and talking quite quietly and intimately away from the other person and they must be made or so parts also Freddie’s clearly not while it also seems to be something of a rule now the you start films in media Raz for a minute or so and then you go back and start to the beginning that’s just how you do it but I suppose it’s not even the media rights because that means in the middle Steinman we’re talking still in the midst right near the edge well it’s like the CODESA and music acts establishing the same addressing the endpoint and then going back and then you can actually at the end our first few moments on this front America waking up in the morning of the live it comes at the cost a couple of times and then that’s it and then suddenly after stadium he’s getting ready to go on stage or anything from hauling waiting I’m just about to go on stage and then reflect back to him working as a baggage handler Heathrow in nineteen seventy until often going to be about getting back up to this moment I serve right from the beginning it’s made clear that yeah you will note that this is going to be a story about someone getting it I’m more sure that we know that you know and we’re gonna get back but first let’s go and do a story about people making music the most fun bits were when the band and playing time to come up with something that’s catchy when they sell a van and pay for a couple of days in a recording studio and I just making stuff up as they go along and the recording the album that’s called queen might even between two actually well it’s got seven seas around it because that’s the seven seas rise I first hit and it’s one that most people haven’t even heard of and it’s very hard not much guitar and that was really enjoyable certain people experimenting insuring how big they were on stereo such that they will actually start to where the tapes out they recording is they’ve been recorded over so many times and they apparently they would know what that this the point would have to stop re recording and recording lies of sound on these types because if you held it up you could see through it and I just love this idea that the recording medium suffers from having some which pertain to it might just start to disintegrate where is the way we record now the recording medium we don’t think of it as something that has material now it sells them quite virtue of this nightmare is burned from the very earliest appointment a recording being really into using stereo which wasn’t new technology in your average person’s home music system hysteria been around in cinema since the shift to white screen star had been normal since four track stereo sound a bit normal since and being that band here basically pine in the music video while I’m running please bring a song which laments the death of radio because of the size of the music the foreign army radio Gaga and being around that was huge on getting audiences to be part of that case they hit those three not stereo music video %HESITATION mornings in part I. gigs and they didn’t even do the music video bet with any sort of pain let’s invent music without having that account of an invention story they just had it so that one of those magical realist moments occurred where the couple of images from the Bahamian up the video just appeared in the background is one of the scenes and I was there you know over the noise that they invented music video on we got a lot of boxes we were talking earlier record number eight the audience participation because I was saying that I haven’t made a trade with me before hi much of their work was involving the audience I remember being at the fourteen or so and being just totally captivated by we were rocky and it’s such a simple notate the thump class you know from from clap read that rest is really important well let’s step four four one three three four the sound is yeah it just hadn’t dawned on me but then maybe that’s because I was too young for crane to fully appreciate crane by the time I was aware of them U. S. hearing queen songs on the radio their songs were on and films on compilation albums I was getting and that would see the occasional video if I was watchin MTV VH one or one of the music channels as a teenager so it that participation but just haven’t really checked with me and tell me anything on the phone today and of course we were rocking it sends me in London and they make the narrative %HESITATION I’m not really fascinating it’s nice to see that story of the pond really laughing and interacting with their audience so much because so many biopics and even fiction films about musicians and bands so much Batman and upping the adoration but not really thinking about it their fans not really having much relations with them but this was so different and even as an audience member saying the Salem he felt like part of it and there was so much participation actually in the audience you people clapping and stomping their fates and speaking to the screen and you know and it was a code violation that I think Sakshi exact %HESITATION and if I’m like that when you’re engaging directly with them and they audiences that are way fast and each other those legendary Mexico around about the different versions that for you would do if the federal yeah you’ve got saying we have we we did we went to this concert well okay while this comes that way did it so that there was twenty five not so we have to remember that back when I was a look at this okay there’s also some very things we say at the end he would of course at some point guard now the going is over but we have to do it in some way so if I simply say well you’re good and he would often say you fuckers it good and then probably like once or twice he just went fuck you as if the guy %HESITATION content do you or do you assume that evidently it no he done that well before it was something to do with it bye bye I’ve got a D. V. D. some of queen during a concert in Montreal in the late seventies he stops awfully close by them hello this is wrong he’s just wearing these tiny shorts it’s not so hot AP just shedding light on for their dynamic case made hi Amy so can addicts is the for you to use the person maybe that’s why I felt some degree of affinity with anything alive is because he would not stay still loves the kids really fidgety anyway I think even relative to other kids at risk but you see that and someone he’s become the superstar and has managed to make something graceful and beautiful and engaging articles mace ments there was a point I think it was with the miracle album in nineteen eighty nine well one of the songs that they did and also just while I’m on this page the cover for the album %HESITATION yeah I really did not want to have to stick together so that between them they have one two three five five online there’s no K. all his views but we seem to have pretty much resigned to just wander into it what details eyes anyway one of songs is the miracle the video for that they didn’t use the bans the use these for kids I think the bond to pay for about the last ten seconds of the song service for kids and they do the entire song as queen in each one of these kids whose London has learned how to do the person that I think so because they want to learn how to do it right to take a look at what he’s learned how to do John deacon has just learned how to stand very still complete and expressive one is not available to take residents about Spain he does with the the customer is not happy for the victory of the problems from testicular across the states back and forth a part of the band said when they finished watching over from happening because a banner that read the music that was being found they said can we do an anti tool for okay this story many of the songs I have not heard of such a long time they did want to three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen if you count the soundtrack to Flash Gordon and of course the kind of magic which is essentially the soundtrack to highland fifteen albums including the made in half an hour when the when the recording and fuss free months of Freddie mercury’s death that’s well over a hundred solution can we name more than twenty of the top of our heads that’s one of the things I suppose about this was that it said you know these fifteen green songs that you know your going to happen now that was the big when he learns he’s got aids they play a little bit of wants to live forever without making any mention at all of them having recorded kind of magic because that seems to be what they were recording when they did a lot of it comes out yeah we must not get the satisfaction figures mixed up with reality it’s easy to see that as a documentary Hey Mike Sanders %HESITATION talking about earlier silences the characterization of everybody like a lot of people’s characters you’re pretty flash story but also you know it’s brilliant to have more representation of north and Irish slash the people onscreen but it would just be lovely if it gets really not all psychopaths and manipulators our system thing or if both are better life class but you’re saying it seems like people I can the characters like camera mocha nations with lots of people I’m looking very yes it seems that a lot of the people who are real life people a link in the process to clean up the mess the several of them you are cleared customs in player will printer as the manager well pretty much ready made it public in November nineteen ninety one and a half days but it was an open secret by that point %HESITATION the cashier full friends are supposed to represent them in life if they refused TV footage as if that was a very yeah another piece of actual TV footage with somebody real quick before breaking away but as for her that she was not to care it could just be representative of that kind of thing happening in celebrity culture the towels for lots of money story nineteen seventy four press conference where he was going to be with them yeah they really pressed the issue with that press conference of their with the journalist he was really trying to press him about his sexuality and of course it’s a much bigger deal than the night but %HESITATION so it feels like it could be very speaking to today because we’re still not a point where it doesn’t matter and people are still forced to commemorate that moment my brain many strange women women well then he simply not panic when amazing well zing that’s quite a while speaking in this room the terrorists a sunfish an ATM sign mid summer murders when he playing Brian main said anybody wanna talk about music M. three times you know I like to listen to the actual recording about yeah that would be fascinating is that screen which is now going wouldn’t it be great if people just hands yeah about what we do yeah you know and also the humor coming through as well because people are pressing Friday by and seeming like he’s been ill and Brian may saying what a cold glass break anybody’s interested and Freddie sank there for members of this bond I’m not the leader of the band there four of us here in your own asking me questions why aren’t you asking anybody else cautions was quite as compact way of getting across quite a lot of points you know and maybe quite skating towards the press but also I think it’s probably reflective of what has happened since then because it feels like it’s gone much worse difficult home magazines you you go in there shall be no you go and get your messages and you just say these things attached to or women’s magazines and stuff and it’s just these snaps private moments of people having a holiday and they were in a bikini on a beach or people snapped in private moments on the night of eight this is trying to be human BN’s and paparazzi aren’t even allowed to have interviews with these people and the quote from information from patient list people divulging yeah selves and their relationships with other people we do really we have collectively as a culture about the private lives of other people so yeah this from was costing about asking this court brutal question of why do we have so much money because people buy their first names that sound a bit I think even the family members living in might have been Friday himself he says you know we belong to them the longer they both but it’s outside of them belongs to the people hello it represents that hadn’t mystic sites on the performance of the hedonism because it does feel like a performance it feels that you know that it’s just the the lavish party that he picks on many has Sydney bakeries but also the really intimate things like they might have copped city has the temple they have their own room and this massive Haris there’s not a huge amount of time spent on any of that but there’s enough shot reverse shots between him Nick Hans you get loads of Kate cops show up and the firm because it’s showing me that there also his farm lane police cannot stop it’s Friday there are few moments when their cats were looking straight at the camera with my cats got like with the crossed in the corner I wanted to just be cursed see that side of him DST pop outside of his life it’s performing side of his life said going to the masochistic gay clubs in Germany side of his life but he had this domestic life that was laughing and yes it was very lavish because laughing at this price that and the faction one of the music videos where it takes the form of this huge %HESITATION he’s not quite the right right right but %HESITATION GS stick policy where everyone’s wearing mosques in huge flamboyant gay and it seems that that’s the kind of stuff you wanted to help you didn’t want didn’t want to have you do wanna do debauchery yeah the flamboyant yeah German things being exciting and people wearing suits uniforms many of us would maybe have a fee is at some point of our lives who will try something because we just want to be different or we wanna CMI that kind of person so you try something you push your limits and then maybe after %HESITATION you go to one this is for me I’m not being true to myself and so you come back again and it seems like that may have been his thing certainly in the film version of Friday that was what happened and it seems like he was groomed and so not by this character poll but seems to have been manufactured items seven people so to see how easy that somebody can be and then the pressures of what Iran and he got somebody Kansi harping on EA and if you’re factoring with your band mates all the time anyway and it’s a perfect storm of things this man to somebody he’s manipulative enough can just quietly chip away chip away chip away convention or something you’re not and it’s inching his Friday his younger shoppers much more assertive your call first tries it on with him when he’s working really disrupts embarking yes ready that piano he’s singing he’s writing music holds your hand and insects I know he Freddie Mercury and Freddie saying you don’t know me at all this is all you see of me is that side of things and then the power relationship with switch to Brian yeah the firm’s leopard the film the director was saying you know how does this sound that you’re used to well that’s where the sound comes from in some places this is how creativity I like seeing creativity represented in films because sometimes it’s creativity with someone just a total genius senators could have just completely thought of this thing back genius thing it mystifies this in some places went to the other in the spectrum where that knowledge I’ve been dreaming upstate the first I’m here is because of the sound bridge over a talk about to cry and then it goes to the cook seems to be going on at this farm so it places that they got these ideas from hearing the cries cokes while they were working from okay this use that sense so there’s a list of people when they created only do is they just listen to their surroundings we just watch their surroundings and then write down what goes on so with that account of creativity we get a lot in the experience I have yeah nothing you just don’t think I remember you just set up on both go on yeah yeah it’s also a really comment it’s a nice light comedy sign bridge missile you know because everybody really laugh the thought saying because it takes you off guard you know because you’re expecting the protest art and then you hear you’re going to hire me it will be mostly noises the in quite a few queen songs even late in their career Brian made as their X. and Roger Taylor upset does not the lead singers are singers one for example is it wants to live forever how often are ex and he wants to live forever a Brian may for the record and gives the best idea serial found at some point this call is squeaky voice that goes on in a lot of queen songs and dance Roger Taney yeah got a quality to it which is not quite as wide ranging as Freddie mercury’s but it’s still a Queenstown but then the film did also go you know sometimes the songs just come out of Freddie stern it really comes up with the first couple of lines of beaming up states I’m just sitting in a gathering of bang bang bang bangs it out and it comes out of him like he’s puking Mike this is involuntary thing that has happened to me is finished if shaking and so that’s the kind of midway point it’s not him getting the sounds from his surroundings and it’s not him having %HESITATION I’m completely in control moment it’s kind of a free between which I think is probably more accurate neither of these extremes I’m trying to find out more about the accuracy of the Munich episode but it’s a very private thing you know and it feels more like an imagining of that period of his life and then you don’t know how much of that has been imposed I think you were saying earlier it feels like the stereotypical with the heteronormative fearful thought culture could pay card to know right away and then we don’t know exactly what parts Bryan singer was involved way we don’t know what Stam dexter Fletcher might have them that would be very different from Bryan singer it is runs from threat to have been there during the production process make for a fascinating account of how films function the taxes that you’re having done sunshine on nice deal he’s directed back musical things before so he would have had that energy especially because that’s based on the Proclaimers songs but it’s a bit like mamma mia and that it’s the characters that are singing the songs so it’s you know it’s not by the bandits by characters and then a burst into the song’s scene %HESITATION their plight to this story so those bank great things the crowd getting involved I imagine that could be him but then Bryan singer has dealt with massive scale stuff and lots of CG I have the stuff is welding the superhero films I think it was important to get in somebody who wasn’t just going to point cameras axes he added this film because it being able to create these virtual cameras that can go anywhere being able to create these subjective Schultz where something happens in the background is clearly just happening in somebody’s had been willing to do that I think it’s quite important to give this the drama which they deserve Sir I think you know surprising twist but nonetheless a good choice actually it is left and which bits of this reflection bits in which yeah the rainy wonderful snow in net maybe it’s an archives yeah accessing it yeah because I mean even just that idea of Willis directors completed most of the film but has not gone a while so what do we date they have to get somebody else and then you’re a director in your really good director in your own rights but it’s not your fans a director for hire Nagy he has to finish it and try and have some sort of continuity with what’s already been done I mean that must be really difficult we hear more about this these days about people getting rotating partway through a project yeah directing from somebody else because I have been with soda in it of course you have a large three seven dexter Fletcher she’s missed rooms finely guessing may yeah seven years it’s a film about green it’s mostly down to about two thirds of its done somebody needs to bring it on home you would quite happily both directed in the start of somebody else and just take an executive producer credit with you just to get the film made all up so let me hear about what’s happening with the Terry Gilliam version of going to help you find I finally being made yeah that’s right but it seems that it has finally been made but then there’s a legal battle happening over whether it can be released and I think at this point this phone’s been waiting in the pipeline for so long however you want he’s standing right getting this thing released do it daily for the sake of the film for the sake of all Americans all these people’s lives that’s the thing it’s hundreds of people’s labor goes into they sayings and whatever’s going on with Bryan singer fees have stuff out and then in the past while this is a film that people need to say because this is a by Friday it’s about playing and try to understand the phone belongs to all of us it’s one of those it’s a story that belongs to all of us and Freddie is still so very low that crowded that we ran alone tells you that because Susan manning I think an older cried and I would strongly suspect a lot of those people who are fans in the day you know that young people and the day you have to work the band and probably saw them life and everything like that woman we spoke to the setting aside years using the Antares the other ninety chat whether at the end and she just loved it so much I mean I think if they put it on straight away again to the south American to after quicken books of his manager to see how I was doing in the states because the relationship between the U. S. fans I’m quite okay from the green that was mentioned in the film queen broke the U. S. quite early but then as the phone went out stopped touring in the US because of the video for I want to make correct very stressed I wouldn’t show that they’re too conservative and it was fascinating that saying my Freddy the man space because he gets the blame of but it wasn’t his idea yeah because it was Roger wasn’t sure it was he wrote the song and it was his idea to have some %HESITATION cross straps you in play women but it all gets in the presses or they’ll get to the end and scarecrows on Friday in the states it’s only been out for three days but it’s done pretty amazingly at estimated fifty million for these first three days that’s quite alright fifty million for a film with a budget of fifty two million on its opening weekend it’s been awesome appetizers the firm has every reason to do amazing cameos well judging by today I would say a while here because of the high on the show for the Tyneside to be thought popped on a Sunday afternoon when did it come out in the case and I think just a few days ago the danger does this count as its opening weekend here at hospital if you need to check I do have with people some critics have been Smith they have may I think there are bets where the added and then sings my dipping back row play other bets where the C. GI helping the cinematography was Belfius for me especially that could go injuries the bus but sewers and into the tour bus in there any ass I’m not window transition in the from one screen I thought you know that would elect Kate maybe fifteen years ago LX nine back it’s fifteen years old stop transition and could have been a lot smoother but then maybe so much of their budget went on reconstructing Wembley because it was an eighty five because it took the lion’s head sets what we just did that because of the front but the rest was computer generated yep and that would have been a lot of the C. T. I. puts it would it not something that bag and not many people on the stage he’ll just to give it a day at work it’s opening weekend was last weekend this is its second weekend in the UK days during storms I would say this is been raining on them to standards to have a center near its maternity have lost touch with night but I was very good friends say when I worked in Tesco years ago she was just the hugest queen and Freddie Mercury fun and the whole world to see George Friday and would follow some of the tribute bands and it always goes in them I’m trying to remember if the tribute act that she’s going to say the tribute act I was trying to remember the name of his flash Harry and the peace to Northern Ireland I know that people like her would be the first in line for this film %HESITATION probably see it multiple times I would say this is one okay a lot of repeat custom this whole podcast episode on the center is in at the %HESITATION what films have you seen more than once at the cinema Ghostbusters twenty sixteen how many times twice and that the right one and three times and some of them because I’ve never seen a no more than once in the cinema it just fails even when they’re amazing I just have the patience to wait yeah I think the second US marshals that’s all I think I saw twice invalid code on which one was up the spy who shagged me without a for sure our website maybe it was a spatial let’s guess is another Mike Myers thank it was the one way faster Graham first name is Gordon powers count on international man of mystery nine ninety seven that was spacious rooms at this price segment in the third one was Austin powers in Goldmember the other two I think I saw a lot of sense and I think also the fact from twice in the cinema there’s probably others have sentencing minimums I seen dawn of the dead and site specific screenings of the film festival twice once was a Halloween screening and consequent shopping center so you’re and shopping malls schools one thing down on that initial come off and it was a mid night thing as for the phone this is two hundred people most of us made up of some thank you and the other time was all planned that alive sign track record in water from homes and nursing well there’s a green connection here because not only is this the band he gas %HESITATION soundtrack albums for film this is a band whose music was it just the music of Freddie mercury’s used as positive Giorgio Marin his soundtrack for metropolis all right I don’t know actually in queens the first quite big fans of a cinema and so called music videos include little snippets yeah references to other films and the music video for radio guy got a bit of help from the top this is the group who when they had the opportunity they’d like to orchestrate some sort of visual track to go with along with the music but he was like I think even maybe sign tracks because this is some fan here hurry interests is a mess and I think I’m becoming more aware of it more interested but certainly maybe sign checks done by pop bands or contemporary banned the use of non classical and rock offers not kind of thing but also there’s the phenomenon of the west and shows and stuff because she’s saying we will rock a yeah I can do something that will reward but looking into because the norm with friends doing maybe some soundtrack seems to be that rather than it being a band comes in and watches an unaccompanied version of fast on composing music yeah it’s the early on in the writing of the film and gets a concept towards hearing comes up with a song and then if %HESITATION trying gets released well before the films come out then the passenger cabin mates online which will include one of those tracks and a bunch of other ones as well so it’s this often quite messy choppy prices so that it’s not quite the same as you get a composer and and you go OK sometimes go put music on this so often it’s about because if you’re gonna use the name of the bond in marketing the best thing to do is to have something by that band specifically to do with that film ready to release well before the fed meeting us at the same explosion marketing yes I’m ready if late to pre sell the phone but also nine it’s become so common to use already existing music assign track me say so not just temp tracks anymore but said bill told them so the likes of mamma mia and sunshine on the street you using the music of a specific plans to build a whole narrative around isn’t this stage play we rocky isn’t it that like that yes not exclusively clean but it’s not rock opera thing is that we are is we can take a bunch of queens arms of a gonna have characters in a narrative where every now and then one of them has to stop and sing a song about the situation also happens to be a quick so I’m just going to work out there was a bit when I thought this music is from the future of the time when things are happening in the storage space because it was one forty but it helps me was having one of his first big lavish parties and the music off of this didn’t come up until about ten years later it was kind of touches but it was what that was sampled from most none it wasn’t and see how far it was heat sample thought you’ve got and you have a mixed up with vanilla ice MC hammer born Stanley Kirk Burrell let’s work out the timings on this coming soon okay conducts this %HESITATION you can’t touch this nineteen nineties so yeah we were getting a piece of nice Cummins okay federalist use the baseline from under pressure completely with permission as part of his made in nineteen ninety yeah I know that I was talking of a baby contestants will not and then it was it seemed to be officially it was music somebody was playing at Freddy’s party that was supposed to be happening in something like nineteen seventy nine but you know this is music from nineteen ninety but then of course I realize no one’s hearing this music at this party this is just incidental non digested music but I also so is it weird that they’re using popular music from future history space as non biogenic music not samples from the disco chart I don’t think so okay I have to look this up okay all right the some samples the permanent opening riff of the Rick James song super freak yeah that’s what I saw you’re going to tell different just do something I just do the thing okay friend what is super freak nine eight one that’s what I was trying okay so we can all right then we’ll go back and have this because I can sell it no no in the sense read the credits okay Rick I’ve mixed up to preclude the context okay sorry since nineteen eighty one might still have been in the future when I was supposed to be happening maybe that was there any any specific not long after that that that old because the party goes to Munich in numbers nineteen eighty four that’s a pretty discography data raises nineteen seventy six news of the world nineteen seventy seven jazz nineteen seventy eight the game nineteen eighty plus gold in nineteen eighty and then hot space which is the poppy one nineteen two okay it roughly fits with that this is a highly compressed gases and tiny okay will not actually move to pieces of music and that rendition of bohemian Rhapsody from stone cold classics compassion is at the very first green of my arms his greatest hits one how did that happen I want to know how it is that people get const as real life figures and also have an acting career I just checked the bios of each of the people who played the names of queen everyone of them has an acting career %HESITATION in Leicester’s one in several places because rami Malek isn’t a Gyptian prince in the night to the museum films very posh well spoken prince was over then have some career and it’s been picked as these people who they look exactly like it seems like astonishing lock %HESITATION just great head makeup and prosthetics well I would say so yeah widen somebody’s knows a bit the picture of physically lands yeah maybe yeah he looked very different but the big Brian may hair you can believe it Brian may have a million five reserves a dramatization a few years back all of the early career of the punk fans up to that point when they have that TV interview about life of Brian okay where Malcolm Muggeridge was addicted to them the six because he got to play the Parsons with total spitting images of the Balkans when they’re young I suppose it’s just a matter of you get people he really wants to play the part and then they can alter the face shape just low bat makeup of prosthetics and hat yes residual current sevens world but %HESITATION everyone’s saying wins wasn’t feeling a little bit betrayed because I thought is queen a head banging okay so this one of the tracks has about a two minute bit in it which is head banging but is anything else that they do hate that he felt slightly between the trash like green have been taken out if the needs that they have for themselves and claimed as it happened which they never will never work and this is still operatic it is mixing them but yet again wins well that was an early beginning of my awareness of Clinton and then also that same as parity and a space from coal loaded weapons I was respectively who is a member of the menu Estevez ready for you yeah and they have a party that scene from Wayne’s world the car is from the makers the naked gun yeah from China yeah I can picture the diagram right now if the relationship is a lot going on yeah there’s a lot of things that are making it because even talking about it from the movies are there there is some some research on that %HESITATION dawn of the dead in terms of thirty ten yes queen what do you think for the benefit of anyone who might actually decide whether to go and see this phone off depending upon what we say I got to a fake that anybody got some touches me tells me I haven’t seen the films that you’re talking about it so I’ll listen to the episode when I’ve seen the film because we are pretty spoilery maybe it’s different Mrs likes of a biopic but then if you didn’t know the life story of someone that is going to be spoilery at such an enjoyable film is really rising it’s everything you want like and that’s all the songs probably the economical are going to be in their candy floss the elements of it but none of it is okay now here’s another song that you like that you really want us to play for you everything is motivated the axe ready well earliest it’s from the main piece of cinema okay perhaps we’re getting an account of reality which is less interesting than an actual truthful one would have been in places where there is this big pressure on all the surviving members of queen in the making of a film like this which is that this is as critical as of Freddie’s memory as they were gonna let any film bait it does say that he’s not perfect it wasn’t easy parking and all my fellow this time but they’re quite special I think he gave the world something I can miss alive at a time when we could record him come away and say about boys but the voice is gonna last for as long as humanity can prisoners were constantly copying recordings from one medium to the neck yeah that’s fine because of the way that it’s going to last but that’s the beauty of it is well to capture that idea from recording on tape and the the lettering on the tape and the tape spring nights and then referring to all of that and that we’re not doing that anymore because the kids that attacks sure my signs and then dot texture being on the final as well when I was coming I thought so much a part of music for men I think that’s one of the reasons why me being an old person nine being a twentieth century person as that I think I get really bored with a lot of contemporaneously naive because to clean I like the Scott Tunis I like that I can hear it the media being ace and the twentieth century in this room excited about the technologies involved with those of people throwing vinyl at each other yeah this is a physical object thrown around the room and the sufferings being around yeah it’s not carrying signs on my back selecting a few files someone recording the missing a lot of tapes on reels back in full force of personal voting looking at the rewinding it so having the way it anticipation off of things that said putting candles on microphones throwing coins on the drums during the year on the job that was the thing there’s so many shots of Roger Taylor smacking drum water coming up from the phone book the film plays it was lunch the day after Houston’s Devin the sound in a second phase you Hey it’s catching the light so it is something visually exciting it’s almost explosive it’s like fireworks it’s it’s another health benefit going on was definitely part of the queen yeah that’s what I thought it was worth the drums officers contractually that’s a probably be I well after its bond sentiments anymore if you haven’t seen it on the run is over and send them back really recommend checking out or even if you don’t clean funny probably with the body and the glasses are not entirely rose tinted no they’re not from %HESITATION I think the best biopics are like in the summer the costumes

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hello I'm Paula Blair and this is already a facial cultures the podcast that explores aspects of cultural production and their relationships with politics society and culture more broadly in this episode Angie she and I have a trip to the movies with big thanks to my mom for the O. D. and gift cards and we went to see historical drama Mary queen of Scots for but first minutes or so of the discussion to sign quality essence grades I've done what I can to remove disturbances and keep distortion che a minimum please bear with it it's much clearer after that's thanks to everyone who's been supporting on pitching on an engaging on social media stick with me at the end for details and heights J. bos I hope you find this useful perfect story for our times I'm sorry yeah are being screwed over by every man in their lives yeah that's pretty perfect for any signs yeah Hey this is all about what it exerting I having any terms yeah in our system yeah this is a long way jangle the possibility of these two women just sorting out without or thank about time space and it's not because it's a story so far she cherry how to stop myself going right M. night we think he's going to say but you know years ago records are different things great of course no no right yes there was a considerarse based on real events some they went those two things they have based on we really didn't want me to transfer my skills great job just read that's an incredible transformation saying we're now going what evidence is there most so I right make up say what it's set in a world that was just changes one in which slowly walking in just a minute right thank god I scored thanks we've another example it suggests that these the meeting between marrying in yes when they were I'm actually able to hear each other even though they stopped thirty sheets are we were able to hear the usual all the optical center modeling design where I was just walking from the ground running lanes not quite shocking downwards and she walks out yeah this is and you he just in the wake there wasn't quite this is that's right yeah this morning in just one thing shatters on the screen Charles on this Richard what are home right sounds something %HESITATION always three seconds away from arresting and right Max right I think one of these things is rearranging woman using everything arrangement I can't sensing that he rearranged your music was a little bit you know what I wasn't he said that credit I mean I think most checks their long you're not noticing them and I was thank you that's one of the reasons why I like usually when I start to concentrate on the music what right share some yeah he's got so much special I heard it described and it still shocks me how much those reading here saying on he's under construction Simonaire describes him as Jane yes press on it scared me because that really was just like I'm just scanning Harry John John not church of Scotland the most but the most well that's modeled on really at the end of each month it's just models and what is even comes with an island in the nineteen sixties and seventies right the horse will shrink our religious complex everyone on both sides but now it regarded courses just being required well and one of our ET thank you all the transactions and get along file created I don't think that it everyone's just needs something on this find that Mary seems to announce quite early on in the show total religious freedom all right hello Sir Gaurav you shouldn't lose focus right traffic on the bridge from this country western bar and they pretend to be armed and the remote con using your house and the woman behind the boulders %HESITATION I got both I got cancer and that's what came to mind when many quite early on she's holding court for the first time she says everyone will be free to worship Catholic I'm just work that exists the extent the times and I work as a Protestant our such a huge history it's not there's not even a whisper of anything that could be going on in our guns it's time so long distance star all right so that's not the whole it's not moment a lot of it was just a year just a month small Margot Robbie's it did make quite a big point when they are concentrations the service all of these things which is great about you registration records within these are your counsel I don't think she meant exposing in this context thank you hi Scott and I am a feminist but avoid yeah I'm a feminist but I think my favorite thing about that movie is merry's earrings I think that's one of things that they're about it's not quite happening in this universe yeah it was the people's costumes were quite well made contemporary in little ways because she was mildly punk one of the sensor readings was multiple small hoops yeah one sorry lotus one yeah those of those M. on air and then one long time leasing on the other year on as well yeah onyx is a totally neutral Andrea strips to make something that looks a bit like flexible chainmail but which is awesome %HESITATION just insurance there was a lot of the stunning costume and administering black going the costuming thing was incredible in the set designs and everything read incredible design work has gone on there so many acting our houses as well I mean is there any accent that Sir Sharon and Thomas J. the issue that we've already had a little chat about this would mainly have how discourses accent I don't think that that actually has a reason because her accent is slightly French I think he's managed to pull off yes sign that after six years and it's more fringe when she's speaking in French to America's maid servants man I think that was quite a good staff but someone who'd been brought up by Scottish people in front yeah I think so I was just basing the time we had earlier on reviews that I've been hearing the only criticism I've heard was why does she have a Scottish accent but she not have had a French accent and actually hearing it and the Salem her Scottish accent is fairly mild she speaks fluently between French and English quite often yeah this is someone who's presumably either very good at speaking French anyway such around enough microscope says runs our records we can find you right four when I'm kind of crash course in advance of doing well she's very good at accents and I think she works very hard with dialect coaches coming in in a lot of actors Jerry but there's very few that can really pull off convincing naming she has played really convincing the %HESITATION Granja Merican an English accents before it's not that often that she plays an Irish accented person and even sometimes she does mean she's I think she's from Dublin and I think she's played rural Irish accents characters for an Irish characters here from the fifties and their accents going to be a bit different nine thirty thanks the Scottish with the French interaction like that was just really impressive both of her parents are from Dublin but she was born in New York City all yes yes I've heard her talk about actually and then they moved back %HESITATION but briefly lived in county Kerr but you must do that Margot Robbie I haven't seen a huge amount that Margot Robbie's done because I think it's just she's been in films that I haven't been very interested in seeing I know she's on the wealth of all straight I would like to see I Tonya I'm crying too yet she's done Harley Quinn and %HESITATION shares of CSX Corp the fact she some of America and then she's in goodbye Christopher robin Holmes a nicer you know so I just haven't seen Aaron very much but I just thought she was really impressive as well as Elizabeth the first I'm also talking about a number of factors he was doing not her native accident is Margaret is paired with guy Pearce's wells with Strahan's spraying these ready Casey anguish makers I was finding because site how did give you take because you were trying to stay spot the cast member quite early in the film and for talking you were code violating and I was not impressed as he we had a really wealthy of audience apart from you it's just unacceptable COS you didn't Elsa on me and I also let you just turned and you instantly froze me into his body we take because I didn't want to have to talk to E. and then there for break the code myself to say we'll do this later does too much of this will be doing it for the whole film thing was I thought that someone here we're going to see for about five seconds and then we're not going to see him again Basil must've felt use both of these Martin Compston haver recognizing from nine of cheating the rest in heart and Marissa okay I'm very fond of he was lower maintenance one of the conspirators Scott has here he used the phone number for you yes yeah yeah yeah he sent basically everything he's one of those actors he dissolves into the character that he's paying so he's one of those faces we think because she's familiar I don't know why because he becomes that character he's an amazing character actor he was curled in high points from the all right Stanton and is now %HESITATION fifty four that's among the things as well because I was watching it going because I know that person's face but they're old and mass marketed everybody just suddenly get hold me today to make a it's tests are yeah those finishing message seemed to be okay we've all suffered horrendously weak to queens on the systems you have to live in however what we've managed to bring about is a solution to the current problem in these two rival monarchies which is one of you starting with that and that and another one %HESITATION she's being executed is leaving on that here the moniker of a United Kingdom United Ireland as if that was %HESITATION not as if it was planned but just as if that was something that would solve everyone's problems the uniting of two kingdoms into wanton where is it hardly put an end to conflict on the mainland so much more coming Edan said that after ola saying this were happily ever after there's a tiny had to fight in the tax that comes up in screen and silence by the end if you know the history of taller show much more pain coming you know there's a bottle of the boy in Cromwell a lot stuff's gonna happen yeah this call is simple but yes I think we've been calling so that's coming in sort of sixty years after this yeah and that would be based on the idea of legitimacy of a Catholic monk that forty or so years after that as part of the brain James purses William than stuff like Culloden much we've been learning about eight a little bit and I the thing about it well we're watching affection but member reading the actual history of artists the chance by for the the film just momentarily in its opening few second really annoyed me and it was because some of the opening text magical special slightly quickly in order to make it work the old time manner as a base in the opening days of tax said Mary was born a Catholic and no one is born of any religious designation whatsoever regarding %HESITATION but even a monarch people have been brought up in relations I was bored the end up no I agree it's just this is a different world I mean that still higher a lot of people think in this world but I mean yeah it was definitely a context in which she was for all intents and purposes born with religion but still it's an important distinction to make sometimes the phones itself implicitly making it by having so much of its attention concentrated on the birth of James who we just saw as a kid with some of the new bonus rooms again baby sermons about two year old and then boom we seem inevitable postscript to the novel and some never says anything to be spoken about a lot by Mary in the future tense as this person who she really wants to secure a safe future for somebody who is not as far as found concerned going to be brought up to do anything other than being self brought up in a certain religion was that's exactly what happened perhaps the film's implicitly and going what happened to our characters who wind up in the film is what will not happen to successive generations were very spoiler a type of discussion but I was threatened by new was coming at him because the film starts us going to hands with merry's impending execution and he never actually see the execution across the block before the ax comes to mind I was driving out because that's the thing that's always stayed with me from the history lessons on this period is that a ticket based three goes to get her head off it was a really horrific deaths that she hides I'm just looking at a system that always stayed with me I vaguely remember after on the television of it off saying it when I was a teenager and I was around the time I was looking at this period in history I can't remember anything about this so he made a he was senator anything maybe imaging it by JV game remember the camera being she's obviously a part of shot she's an off screen space and that the cameras at standing height she's everything needing dine on that that's watching that executioner have in the house several goes in ready grown thing because it kind of gets raided her knack she's even in her death her body is stubborn medium throwing since birth is is it took two brothers and just a little bit of work left for a third platoon and complete which will give you a headache also the tiny details the execution the firm indicated a good something like twenty years elapse between Mary coming to England captain prisoner for a long time they indicate about aging in everyone except for Mary yeah they just H. isn't makes our Sharon in the it's just she was just %HESITATION so so she's still in over half an inch long and thick and lustrous have been throughout in reality when she was beheaded use buying awake and it came off and it was revealed that she had very short gray hair at the time everyone has gone through the deterioration only see Elizabeth Guthrie yeah yeah this is a lengthy account of her execution I'm reading but I suppose that's the artistic license of imagining her hand as she left you know so this young powerful confidence beautiful intelligent queen bed stadium passion of her as she was rather than this existence that she'd had her nearly twenty years from the dog's historical fiction is giving a clear sense of how much time has elapsed between scenes if they get quite a good sense of Mary's been live in an effective imprisonment in England for decades between the Cinemax but that was about it for %HESITATION indicating the passing of time how much time passed between early fans of scenes it was really okay the fact is I getting more and more pregnant I gave a bit of a sense of scale in one point how old is James the baby will a moment that I can get a sense of scale but we should always expect when we look in the actual time lines of these things to go out and do not think that they suggested took about a month was in seven years this happened with the outlook came on me for a couple weeks yeah there was lots of %HESITATION and then nothing happened for her latest compression auspices yeah they have taped or as we wait A. H. and then seven years somebody's appearance can change quite a bit even if it's just their hair color if they've naturally surgical gray or something there's more wrinkles have started to come in your face and especially Bach fan when people you know life is hard and then he H. G. quickly without those kinds of markers it's difficult I think everyone a bit of a note for this but I'd be quite happy if every single scene started with the statement of the day thirty one day month year I'll be fine with that it was a you know in the pants off other people I think I would appreciate it as I'll because I think that's for her movie it's because I was so used to the axe files they would always update June what day it was time it was some things but it helps you get a sense of when things were happening in high much time meadow lapsed CD cage work suffered about art because yeah with history fiction I mean this was cover and %HESITATION a twenty five year periods at clips along at quite a pace the film and there are some really huge ellipsis of time but it doesn't feel like it so things such as she said I feel like well this is all a couple of weeks versus stuff actually quite a few years but none of the characters really changing very much there was very little sense that Mary had a secure hold on a big kingdom and there's several reasons for this the first was that we was constantly being Sherman man conspiring against each other and against her it was unrest often restaurant owners to monks to read council meeting managing died at the at each other and the moment when David rich here the man when he's killed me to after that it seems that has been put in place to make her puppet Martin says I see a man running and she manages to get out of that by going to both well who's not loyal military leader but then he later on tents against have thinking that he's been given a promise of a crown so everyone's out for scoring everyone else have but another thing that give a sense that she wasn't in charge of a secure kingdom was that she didn't appear to be in charge of a place that was populated because a shot off the pace and scope this is sure to show couple of farmers the yeah I'm the guy who's doing fishing so many gorgeous shots of the highlands Holly route is shown as this console against some mountains right next to a city have a fun a medieval city but still that's a populated city and on the last call allusion code you should a ruined castle is that enough so this is an environment where there are seemingly onions with people %HESITATION because that's part of its this environment is very different from England it's really mountainous is rugged it's always raining that mistake or what but we did get a slight sense of this thing being populated with all of the shots of the interior of John Knox's church when recent events pay growth and their drove inside and outside of the church made the point and the cinematography of framing people hanging out the windows the king and hanging on as have rewired and then Chauhan saying death to the her death to their scary stuff it would seem to indicate was there's this sense of ghosts human common Gavin might do what Mary wants them to there's a bunch of people in this church he just hates her in and then apart from that maybe now and then some other Scots might emerge out of the ground engage in a bottle and then go back into the ground again my life really weird sense of how the terrorists yeah I mean I suppose so much of the drama is centered around these two queens and everything that's going on immediately and proximity to them politically that there's not really time and space for a lot more any historical film this gonna make criticisms of but why wasn't such and such coverage and less and less and less and then you've got the last that couldn't even be covered by lengthy television series you just have to be selective by what he can show and I think this film is more by the development of Marion Elizabeth this characters on what was going on around them and this examination of women here in power but they really haven't got any power or control well I have not seen all of Marion labor which is intercut with the scene of Elizabeth making these little so that we could then have to scrap my lived with several shots with her legs open this huge competencies fabric or paper roses yeah thank you graphically much to Mary sitting on a bunch of white blankets stay in shape yeah yeah surrounded by her ladies in waiting there was momentum that Russell and it did that I did that just shows that they've somehow got Elizabeth Vash during the birth yeah I wonder because there was a moment but it looked like she was handling the baby and of course it was confirmed on just three one direction of continuing care yeah having account to look into a screen space right and then the next on the continents until Spieth left it looks like an island was just that parallel I'm getting the two of them exchanging lapses in glasses which clearly things afterwards but the voice service providers of these products I mean clearly Vincent Ahmad exactly where that scene wanted this to be prescribing many ways in which this film was a funny graphic design of RF micro experience there's quite a few moments you know the six love test I have the H. bomb test it's if you become aware of how uncomfortable you'll see to earn and so that you stop moving around so the past next you guys what's wrong with you on it you know right I wouldn't say it's a bummer and then if you become aware of how uncomfortably seizes then the film isn't quite doing enough to immerse you in the past so I've been in really uncomfortable cinemas it doesn't matter who I am guessing from if you're in pain you're in pain you may have been in the ground wise the fittings %HESITATION I suggest that you're just affected our affection the worst moments for my for myself just forgetting that I was in an auditorium and I think I was in fifteen seventy cinnamon but I did find myself completely oblivious to my immediate surroundings that message I just was also fidgeting as well because I'm fifty it wasn't terribly well attended screening but it's been alright for miles from the benign well what a week or two or something but it's a big multi plex that we were asked and people are probably going to say other things are gonna come this is going on I'm curious about if yours is the only cinema in town and it's the last screening on Saturday and your screen is five six empty something's wrong but there's something about a multi screen cinema that means that they can quite happily every screen be showing through %HESITATION my empty room and still be doing just fine well I charge enough Strachan Plymouth to costs but we went because my mom got me a birthday party and gift card so that was why we were at the Odeon but I was just gonna say it was a well behaved audience none the less including the guy he had a massive thing of nachos he wasn't not bad I think it was like he was going the food and I'm not going to engage my doing it quietly so you couldn't seven doesn't matter stealth mode really dipped those natural okay so that was nine and I was totally embarrassed nobody really distracted me at any point there was a moment when I think somebody further along the same roadway south I think that maybe just maybe if their legs or something and I thought there was a light from the phone but all it was was they have really bright lights for through the latter call me as well you can disable it grinds and then the light wasn't going away so I had a quick glance and many so it's not a phone it's just the seating right you put the pin back in the grenade because Andrea is everything someone's on the phone is the most welcome excuse me it wasn't really anger it was just more this is been a while they can still be looking at a time entered masses and I think because there was no movement that was more curiosity and then I realized it was just it somebody's Mr Lagan revealed this lifestyle all that is and there was that and then right on the very end merry's just about to be executed there's a brass that she does have very sharp intake of breath it makes a noise and it cuts to black quite suddenly and somebody told it's summer I thought radian awaits me the talks really annoyed me because it's pointless this might so recently I find tumbling especially if it's another thing you know what I can add a felon or something I find it mildly violent it's just sonic violence that there's no need for it's a sign of disapproval of mine it's something like that and open space that's dead silent because there was no music at this point there was complete silence in the auditorium and nobody move nobody saddening is quite poignant moment and some of the topics in the middle of that and forgets not bothered me not back out of the ground there's a gentleman with full on the film might make you go and it's the end of inception %HESITATION you gotta find out whether it is or not you know Hey screw you guys are like you know axial cinema but this is just plain cheese even talk thought hoping to see the carnage of her execution such a needless noise it's borderline infantry for some people my groaning in pain sometimes if you just really inhaled and how to breath for awhile and it's a really tense moment when you left a profound you've grown in that area is going to be a general I think maybe I just associate the signed of it with impatience or displeasure or something you know it square in negative rather than the breaking of tension close if expression of exasperation and fed up with this sort of thing it's also %HESITATION for sexual harassment in some countries yeah if you do it to someone call it's the mildest form I can %HESITATION no idea getting in somebody's personal space yes this is for saying that it was quite difficult to choose what to say because we're not going to the cinema very often at the moment we hadn't pain since well before Christmas was our last cinema check Bahamian rap singer had we seen something sent signed Netflix see yeah we've been the puppies the fan and the law I think because money spent a bit tighter let they and we have been going on so much so I've had the voucher for awhile night this time he said in the end it was between Mary queen of Scots and stamina and Ole which we're still trying to say at some point but there's a lot of really good stuff right at the moment I think I really pumped for %HESITATION making a scouts because I feel like I've seen more than enough man's head strays and I think laurel and hardy are really deserving of getting their stories told because I think they've been very undervalued by scholarship by history by just from culture in general I don't think they're taken terribly seriously it's impossible because of the influence of continuity yes the rooms yeah kid yeah to an area is actually on the value of remember those work for them yeah as a result of Richmond do we know anything invite their director I'm not familiar with the name juicy Rourke thank you zero this was the first film really she is %HESITATION long standing theater director all rights so that has been a lot of theatrical designs in there okay the choreographed action scenes in the elaborate costumes the not necessarily naturalistic backdrops wireless customer margin the world yell the faceoffs between characters she has directed upwards of forty place while so someone who you can understand working titles taking a punt on somebody with that much experience in this company cultural realm in spite of her not having directed a feature film score huge fear trophy I think would be the not play over three stage oak tree and growing fear trucks used in a book recently sort of but if you would yeah because it's not quite synagogue fade out something a bit different it was a Shakespeare downloads a six fair of course is you'd have a mountain recruiting officer her Spanish arch Falkor loses Shakespeare sign the monologues so she's done ready prolifically since two thousand and one of the things that you'd be forgiven for expecting from established as a director is that this is a person's going to rely on the movement of characters and he's gonna have lengthy takes with very few addicts this is going to become of it might be moving but it was a very mopar comment I noticed service a lot of it rising up early on it would be over head height and rise quite powerfully so maybe that's influences are considering the variety of different view points you get on the stage but what I was saying was you know you might expect somebody to just have a few edits within the scene but keeping the edits to the scenes I've now has a new one but now this was a really high altitude right found this was a comment that was instantly translating someone placed or not this is someone who's using additive we determinedly I suppose when you've got a bunch of other people working on the issue even if you might counter from going I'm gonna have six that it's in my film I can do Hitchcock was instantly gonna happen is other people are gonna get right has a cool idea he's investing like shooting this it may have been J. zero K. may have been absolutely the influence of the people it's worth finding out who's gonna look up interviews well I was thinking with a lot of the high angle shots especially from married there so many mentions of the divine hand over everything that had sickle it's well worth it she rose and whatever I come they'll be as cool as well and so I was thinking maybe and there's a hand to flops over saying from above so soon becoming increasingly standard to explore what stuff looks like from the viewpoint of a drone these days is that we have access to this new sort it's a way of moving the camera around in your full sets affect can show the expense I mean there was some really incredible shot way Elizabeth on the roof of her palace she's framed alone you know it pulls back right back away from her so it starts off level with her and it goes right back into the nothing up in the second Dino on her in the palace and she becomes this tiny engulfed figure most powerful person and aligned and she's this tiny speck of the black dress that she's wearing she's this barely recognizable object in the distance and ghost by this huge palace underneath her there were plenty of extreme long shots of very small numbers of people moving against huge uncaring backdrops that's on the ticket about Kim just after she's arranged with him %HESITATION guy Pearce I think I can't remember his character's name they're trying to figure out what to do in the first instance and that's before the attempted insurrection which merry very capably supports and when's the bottle it's delayed up to Bob and Elizabeth is basically relinquished all control she says I don't want to know anything about it she doesn't want to know about any bloodshed or violence or anything and she seems and see after that moment she recoils and turn herself into this very internal self serving world of creating these portraits that she doesn't like and then order some to be pardoned you know these beautiful creations that she's made harsh upon ourselves not just her neighbor but the neighbor of her handmaidens Terry are helping her endlessly curl all this paper for these poppies is she staying in these pictures she's making and to just not be happy entirely with the colors and to just have them destroyed there is something very introspective but destructive being reflected by her character and those and thought shop before you sale of top starting to happen just really shows her is quite puny you know it was interesting hearing Sir Sharon Anne and Margot Robbie being interviewed by Simon Mayo because they talks quite a bit of bite the one saying that they're in together obviously it's merry's failed %HESITATION but Elisabeth phase very close second en masse Anna is a film of T. Huff's there to have set a red to caught with each other an interval fund but these are women who are separated so much of the time they just have this one meeting faith talks quite a bit of bite that meeting the production actually was all the session ronin stuff was found first and a block and then they fell not mating ad space K. like passing on the baton she's done her bit she's finished and she's passing it on to Margot Robbie she's going to carry it through that's the only time in the match on sat so Sir Sharon and had been merry queen of Scots for months and then that was her last day of filming but it was Margot Robbie's first day of filming they weren't related to each other and thought was that meeting for the first time assist characters even they didn't see each other before hand and this was the scene where they're in this building with all the sheets hanging so they're scared from each other's VA they said they didn't mean to be so emotional but just when they saw each other at the so powerful the tears just came out of them one point house of current what's happening with Margot Robbie's face in and of course that's what he is that light when you've got this thank you for calling you yeah is there any slowing down and the collection of the food chain will be added to use and hang them in case there's a visceral sleep it was yeah it was really powerful so I think that's probably why it was cast because it just was so faxing and it made them both human depictions of Elizabeth first maker so %HESITATION horror turned cold and distant and unemotional and to see her %HESITATION humanized and to see her with emotion knowing that everything merry says this tree but realizing that she has the upper hand working through all that emotion this lost sister heads but also the indignation that this person would threaten her in such a way threatened her crying because according to this year fine merry probably has more of a rightful claim to the throne at this point than Elizabeth and Elizabeth was considered by many to be a legitimate because her father had to note the marriage and then had her mother killed and that comes up in the film actually when Mary's kind so is trying to encourage her to divorce her agent of a husband's because he two drunkards he's cold by his own father a sodomite he's a gay man possibly bisexual I think sexuality is very fluids I mean it was fluid at that time but he's very fit but yet like dine upon because of his status in life and he seems to enjoy being with men a lot more than he does with women it's really interesting like their sexuality in the film you know Mary's first encounter with him shall we say is interesting because you think it fair show he's being fiery you see later that's probably part of his colon but %HESITATION so he's just not into women he goes dying on her and he doesn't want her to do anything with ham you see her getting pleasure from this you think of this is interesting but then on their wedding night he ends up in bed with David Britt CEO he is one of the queen's trip really the ladies yeah he's practically one of them married hostas still deal with them and she refuses to divorce him because it's not right according to Catholicism and she doesn't want her son to be illegitimate chic Munsterman and the integrity of the marriage but hi she becomes pregnant at such a difficult saying like it was a very brave scene today word chic summons him and he's drunk ands yeah it just becomes really aggressive on both sides I think she's starting to do things to him that he doesn't consent today and riles him up to the point where he then very forcefully does his business and takes it from behind and she looks like she's doing an incredible pain but she seems to know that it's going to make her pregnant and that's what she needs so she's very happy about this and so it's basically like a rape scene it becomes him exerting power over her because he feels powerless so he exerts power over her and then she's very painfully getting what she wants and needs which has impregnated so that she has an affair with informed consent yeah it's not as easy as it gets Judy it's for a higher purpose when she does come connected in Florida I just want to point out when we're on the subject of things that were quite real there's a bit during the battle when possible goes to kill mori is both well played by Martin Compston Morris played by James McConnell Hey guys the Kellermann then merry wives to her trump tower to sound the record so that if he has that he's coming in on one of those shots where nothing comes to his own horses charging towards James McConnell there was just a moment when must constantly urged Ford Cadillac is going to fall off the horse yeah and then he got back up again yeah I think that was one of those it's actually the act actually on a horse yes actually doing all this stuff like props ordinance hound but still it's contenders distress situation and it was serviceable it seems like a genuine recovery and that the radio took the footage yes finally looks like uniforms of the source for a moment that you're in a battle that's good afternoon might have three the both well we'll keep that on the car yeah yeah there was a brushless Karina fifteen I get the impression there wasn't a lot of take sex one or two takes on everything you know I'm getting the sense that whether it was but it may be a lot of the budget went on costumes set design paying actors throwing new anime name most of all how to do so much training with horse riding because a lot of the actors really are horse riding a lot of the time I kept looking for how are they doing that so the next doesn't have to learn to ride a horse and then officers run indefinitely at seventy dollars everyone seems to be putting host I think David Tennant was anyone who did get it over to really horse riding he got to our house though the wars across five his eyes are proper scary Anna on blinking ness of ham this is where I need to learn a little bit more about Mary's formations are very sex of Christianity John Knox founded the Presbyterian churches governments and municipal presbytery and sense of originating of band member of it that's what I was saying a case the model for inpatient we were recording pretty late at night and that discussion fizzled out a bit there a few other observations just before wrapping up I really appreciated that the cast wasn't quite polished and the film acknowledge that people with anything other than white skin we're in a minority rather than absent all together in Elizabethan England and Scotland I also appreciated it showing merry menstruating to demonstrate her fertility it's quite rare to see menstruation on screen and then be treated in the way that it was I think it would be worse considering the famine discussions of British heritage cinnamon this is probably a topic that should have come up more explicitly probably in previous episodes that are relevant along these lines so maybe that something will turn it into a bit more later on if this comes up again the film seems largely to take a neutral or objective stance or at least tries to but it does I think tipped over and to privileging marries story she's a sympathetic character here and hi she's betrayed but to an extent so way so that's a bonus and I think the actor says plates their characters with probably a lot more emotional intensity than even they thought they would judging by what they've said in interviews along with films like a knock came which you can see on Netflix that's about Robert the Bruce and the fear for it which is at the time of recording on general release at the moment as well which is a fight going on is there a current trend for revisionist history and what can we make of new interpretations of old histories pleased to be part of the conversation on social media if you've got any thoughts on those or any other points and 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welcome to episode 22 of audiovisual cultures the podcast that explores and examines different aspects of signed an image based cultural production and their wider impact sons contacts this weekend G. Sheila and I have a post being discussion of Selma the dramatization of Dr Martin Luther king junior's involvement with trying to be in order right and Alabama and centred on that kind of sound them as part of the broader civil rights movement in the nineteen sixties in the United States before we get into that's a big thank you to all our listeners so far whether your regular or you checked in the night the piccolo TA if this is your first time a very warm welcome and I really hope you stick with tests and hope you find a discussion she sold they are usually analytical but of course we often get the personal responses to found that's wild quite a few different frames have been building over the first twenty or so episodes girl hating girl experiences in a little bit of thought comes in today but also the fight for rights and recognition for people who aren't and I'm using scare quotes the defaults are the dominant type of human being thank you so much less than really hope this is useful for very aware of our position as white people in the U. K. dating my thesis questions chatting up by the civil rights movement in the United States try and pick up where we left off a few weeks ago when we were talking about a very very very C. Taylor because she's started to make points by the fiftieth anniversary events %HESITATION freedom said they around you cascina partially because it was in nineteen sixty seven what was then called the university of Newcastle upon Tyne awarded to doctor Martin Luther king an honorary doctorate yes and we've just watched Selma very very late to the party on the phone I think we've both been meaning to watch out for %HESITATION for nearly four years since it came late we've only just managed to get the opportunity to watch it I'm a great believer that you see a phone when you need to see it and I'm failing I think I feel more politicized and more ready mark and James waste on going civil rights issues and particularly this is a great photographs and just yesterday I spent the afternoon on the streets in new castle trying to get people to to months democracy and try and do something to try to tame voter quality and portion of representation and to make votes matter for everybody it's not quite the same since civil rights movement in the United States in the nineteen sixties but it's part of an ongoing struggle with it explains why when you gave me this list of fifteen films this year I gravitated toward so much as opposed to say finding your feet a fantastic woman will hostels a fantastic woman again that's about a whole other set of separate because offset by a trans person trying to get her rights to be who she is and to have her relations department National Party guys but that's a whole other thing for a lot of the time so our focus is on a fed different nice cell mmhm which is really slow at the end of twenty fourteen in the US so we're not quite four years late but we are quite connected to one of those phones has been hunting around at the periphery of my list of stuff to see for quite some time and I say well it would you consider yeah and I think it's just passion as us of this and because %HESITATION I think we extended mentioning Martin Luther king a few weeks ago it from there talking about the C. T. other it's on our minds not just because I got from Kim might roughly forty years after the events at the back stick play yes for us being based in Newcastle upon Tyne S. open quite prescient because Martin Luther king was awarded an honorary doctor here not long before he was assassinated I think it was about six months ago he wanted to be Newcastle in November nineteen sixty seven and eight in Livonia David it's a yellow I think it is fantastic as smiling thinking he's amazing accents yes because we recently saw him and he and the United Kingdom as print thing kings say four months it's really hard to say when their prosthetics with a little bit of hand work hi usually resembles the historic figure he's print because he just watches lots of archive files that person speaking and just a docks that resting phase comes the way that they stick out certain parts of that face when they're talking on those points they were I was losing the media this is a person being mildly thinking I'm just going yes this is obviously certain A. M. and states I thought that was archival but then it's him either that or they've done a seamless mix of the tape yeah I suppose for the benefits of fearlessness we'll find out that the way to the end speech is done is audio archive footage and then after about a minute or so the archive footage then we start to get the visuals of yeah Jim Montgomery from the capitol building that and stick with that technique of cross cutting between the past in the past mmhm how concert film they can if it's just within a short time frame for a longer time frame that's a consistent editing structure like there's this constant exchange because we're still in the past so many of these issues I mean especially in the past two years I think probably that's why the film still so prescient Esther how Spain continue to mergers of black people there's continued racial violence spends taking part in the United States but it's happening in the U. K. S. while she set the phone to packs are issues that are ongoing he said it was about an event that happened roughly forty years before it was actually fourteen now serves nearly half a century in the past the sure to be historical I think I think and it's not that was fantastic as a piece of historical drama for pointing out the logistics behind the protests having Oprah Winfrey's character beyond she's she's trying to register to vote and then the simple set of circumstances where the registrar clearly in Austin have questions that no one there's now where she is as always greeting her from registering to vote and that's the way the film shows that this is what's happening across the south and it's not quiet determination to continue trying to tell you what sneakily writes Veronique and they allow you to vote countrywide this is a legal rights and then a little later on several members of the leadership of the SCLC the southern Christian leadership conference are discussing the larger question of the prevention of African Americans from voting they point out that in order to register to vote you need to have a function as someone who very much is for you it was themselves effectively so if you don't know anyone who can vote and pop because all of your friends and relations are African American and none of them have yet been able to register to vote that's a box and then have several characters listing this catalog of ways in which African Americans and prevented from voting and then another seem to have king himself talking to Lyndon B. Johnson saying its voting and it's so many other things as well the rating on the not being able to fart facts because you can see my jury members to develop and so that means that people are getting left off from crimes that they've clearly committed because the juries that I've been asked to set make decisions about the movement of people who or what and if the murderers and one is after Americans that say there's injustice is something they did a great job of calling plays the specific legal issues including technicalities the these people affecting about anyway that way you wouldn't ordinarily have a single scene where one person in a predicament and sits down and explains what it is has led them to create a political movement in the first place many of different avenues for providing us with some information that as well as a good sensitivity to when things got complicated so why it was for example on the second attempt to March across the Edmund Pettus bridge the state troopers to stand aside and let the marchers but then came just stops and goes the same thing just turns around expect well he needs time should everybody follows and needing to induction moment of silence totally unspoken communication and prior and then he sounds back up and walks through college and that's is that something just and should have been him just not the route he can't even pinpoint it himself he just knew which turned to violence if they continue to this is later on it's still done in his %HESITATION an example of the tensions that exist between the leaders of this movement in the dollar we get little snippets of what it was the content in the meantime back and he mentions that he reckons that there was later bird looks at it yeah to prevent them from getting to Montgomery yeah they got past this country never fail to get back with doctor from getting back again and their their fate would be cut off their past was not fair and so it is better to wait for the court case check out a legal hearing and then to have to be that you had a nice and a non violent way that was a detail in the original story where I mean you are offline right retelling a story like this would go No Way and mia yes sign using backed movement but an entertainment so make it quite complicated because they're used to these precious offense a bit too great that's a bit too inconvenient to fit into a narrative arc and yeah and even I kept that one I suppose it works to an extent as a setback moment well it has to be that moment of conflict because Simone of conflict within the members of the movement because they're challenging him in the paper here on his side are saying they could people are angry they need answers because this is March where a lot of white people travel from all over the country to be less than minutes pointed alright should journalists are counting had since when at the start of the crowd is Caucasian they describe them so lotus summer clergy from all over the country of all different grades people are angry and they want an explanation because they're ready for this March he's held accountable to his own and he says something along the lines of I drive whether they be angry and he hates me and people waiting %HESITATION dads this consequence where you can see him suffering the pain of the people even though his delivery strategy is activists into situations where white officials will lose that rack and will cross the line so people are going to get hurt and starts to show its collateral damage it's not that he's hurting these people but he's knowingly possessing a stretch in which he and his fellow activists are getting in harm's way Bahamas in just because but he's doing it directly to the audience of a lot of films about there's going to be casualties and him repeatedly being seen taking the pain of a boat so take a moment to signal how star studded space for more because maybe this doesn't count as a star from the point of view of the United States him but Tom Wilkinson as these subjects they presently Johnson and I mean it's the two headliners of the caster predation so how David Oyelowo and Tom Wilkinson I'm going to go to work so cruel to say that someone is B. list or C. list but we've got not exactly top flight stars such as Giovanni Ribisi do you recognize the people and I don't know if he's on a long list and I really like to run every PC this paper like Cuba Gooding junior and Oprah Winfrey of course and these are people who don't really have a lot to say when they're on screen they're reading dynamite but they're just not on screen very much mean Oprah Winfrey he only ready has lines when she's playing Alice Cooper trying to register to vote not one of those very arty scenes but it wasn't enough sometimes to shelter seconds long Anne Cooper sorry they might say they're coming back to the store will shoot someone for about three seconds is the highest paid person in itself okay and and but I don't want to Martin chain is that judge rose you've got quite a lot of actors I'm going to be just cynical for a moment because you've got quite a lot of white actors and I noticed Brad pets within the exec producer and credits and he was also an executive producer on wall St twelve years a slave so this seems like a bit of a humanitarian project it pays to support African American film making and to make it by African American history whatever you think of that but I think that's something just to note Bruce and Tim Roth as George Wallace he was the governor of Alabama Alabama he was a democratic government nothing troubling is naked face and rarely I mean the things that he says we're hearing a lot of this rhetoric knife from the far right and the United States so it's quite troubling it is mentioned only dimensions at one time will consume as LBJ mentions at one point that Wallace is quite socialist but is there to stop him from being complete segregation racism so actually there's that moment where I just got your northern president played by any stretch near having %HESITATION quite a bit to re squabbles in the White House with the southern Congress person played by an Englishman both of them doing mathematics and that you've got that shadow of Vietnam over the whole thing %HESITATION hi they use the press hi Martin Luther king manages to orchestrate things to use the press to get attention and siphoned from PH newspaper attention away from the war as well and this is another headache for Lyndon B. Johnson and in the end I mean after quite for Hammond arguments from him thanks I think I'm gonna be on the right side of history he talks about you nineteen eighty five he says to the governor neither of us are going to be here in nineteen eighty five I I want to be remembered as being on the right side of history the next thing is he's appropriating the words from the civil rights movement these will ever come to a point where he finishes with we will overcome as if he just made it up on the spot you've got a lot of that you've got a lot of fight terrorism which is quite cynical then you've got people like the judge played by Martin Sheen who youthful he's reading the letter of the law as it sounds doing what judges tend to do the American film switches go now what we're gonna do this right even though it's gonna take a few days no procedures are going to be slightly observed %HESITATION unobserved in my current case that's how U. S. so making films about judges there's a handful of things that and you're still making art represented almost invariably judges seem to want to okay %HESITATION supported by a lot of other well known names including the rap icon James back into this Michael Papa John first major clout and Michael provision just looks scared with time so you did a good job %HESITATION Wendell pace as has there Williams there's one house that was from the Y. con el the state's person detectives from the war so a big cost and one way I found myself going because representing all these historical figures it's not doing that thing of keeping the list of main characters comfortably small and making sure everyone says each of those names about four five times windows ten minutes I actually find that rainy and transcend because again just to bring up the state the queen relation again here I was really quite happy here the names being repeated because in so many of these kinds of pastries the names fade away it's personalized and one figure heads and that's what happens and hunger with the hunger strikes and then makes presence felt by both the sons and none of the other man he died our names and not from there's a whole other chap to be how to buy them %HESITATION it's got my own feelings about that but it's just tip my diet because it's on my mind because some of the three aces and she's going back to things like twelve years a slave because there's casa she satisfied you've got Martin Luther king who speaks about manta and he's quite middle class barely see if other than his activism life is so different from the lives of the people in Selma and on the bomber it is just making me think a little bit of twelve years a slave for you've got this class conflict within the group of people you know and he mentions that black people he stand by they're just as bad as if he mentions that and one of his rising sermons and the church having this difference initially between the SCLC and what's cool snake which in the student nonviolent coordinating committee have been working in Selma before the SCLC turned up having that conflict is a good way of signaling there's politics all over the place here and it goes from the disagreements that Lyndon B. Johnson house with Monsignor speaking all the way down to disagreements between characters who were within the margin between some of my car one thing that I have to get down now because I didn't make any notes for which is from and you did so I'm gonna get this done before I forget it did you notice just how many of these conversation scenes were shot so the characters were not in the same frame and in the coverage of the two different characters talking the most common set up is that each character would be very close to one edge of the frame looking into the nearest branch as if they were talking with somebody who they were December from was it there's gonna be severing line very close to the face removing them from the person the trying to interact with and most of these conversations were along the lines of we start something some sort of disagreement and then we end up in disagreement but the cinematography wouldn't change they'd still be short in these separate frames and then Moses in the face the quite close up to the fragments that seem to be aware just constantly iterating separation between yeah S. reading of the law the ticket the the earlier conversations between Martin Luther king and his wife Coretta the tensions in their marriage are very clear there's quite a pivotal scene where they've been getting the speeding nasty phone calls I think directed to her saying very horrible things better husbands as a mass shooter an activist but also as an adulterer and playing quite today things like the one that you may prefer you to A. as in times of people having sex the implication being that that's a recording of him with a different woman so our conversation and sheets that's very practically there and %HESITATION separated frames and she for a lot of it as standing in the king dynamite he setting so he's being interrogated and away by her so I got that sense very much and it doesn't let him off the heck the film doesn't idolize him as this great hero this great man hero of history it does actually hold him accountable it does include him in the culpability for deaths and people being hurt but also the treatment of his wife and I go back to his family while he's doing this but somebody has to the displacement echoes through those trials if later ship and the sacrifices that have to be made it there has to be expensive house the sacrifice there has to be about collateral damage even on an emotional level but also he's a preacher I think it's fairly it was a fairly open secret that he did have relationships with other people I don't know very much backed out so we'll leave it at the office but yes she challenges him there's a very clear indication that she knows what he's been up today she doesn't need those phone calls tell her what he's been up today I also find when he's doing speeches at never test centers and on him there's usually a wide angle lens being used so the screen is quite bold G. hunters with a simple point toward bolji basically when the next shop with the same environments often cited angle and with the standard yes the fifty moments yes I find it was happening up when he was giving some sort of speech and he would be center of the frame and it would be curving with him as a focal point about evading create other people sitting behind him setting to the Hispanics things side hand side it behind him to always with him now after having him alone when he's giving speeches never doing that individualizing alpha five eight in one or two shots but yeah yeah maybe just for emphasis not to the extent that you perpetuate and conventional way of filming something like this where you have it's own hero and of course notably the family called Martin Luther king it's called Salma it's up by the time it's a boy those people by their rights it's their fight it's not all about him it's only part of his much larger story the show many of the people who created for people he does that thing in the end credits well before getting to the end credits on the way to them during the speech at the end where you've got a name given on what happened to that person and so the president to go from there if there's a white woman Hey wasn't named I think she has one or two lines of dialogue in the whole thing was named in the and she was named in the dialogue Farley user point site that this woman who had come to help after seeing the horrors on TV of the brutality of the place two words the criteria actually went to the courthouse to try to register to vote in the first place she felt compelled to say something and shows her and cried and said she was killed five hours after that speech driving people boxes so even things like soft acknowledging that there were a life there not every white person state by and that all this happened at doesn't do this thing of what happens and the help of white people there to see if yourself today it just says these people were with us and we remember them and I acknowledge them today as far as common awareness of heard Martin Luther king was on it Dr Martin Luther king junior what's the first I was kind of this king was quite secular one because the most emphasis that's put on him being a believing Christian is that one moment when they're in jail after the initial conflict is happening somewhere outside the courthouse and the one who's in the same cell with him having very whispered conversation and they start quoting a little base of something from the book of Matthew the gospel according to Matthew that's it most of the speeches that you want to take place in churches was gonna cross behind in their speeches have no religious content in the metal and there's even a few that sweat during speeches of from ones that happen outside the church what he'll do better religious content of the act but it's often at the point where people are cheering and chanting and clapping so much that you can hear me saying save lives and restraint areas this is on account of king in which the emphasis is on humanist activism and having listened recently to the speech that he gave in but the only degree castle those numbers just kind enough to having all these other companions are members of the SLC I think some of them wearing that because yes school garb some of them who are also preaches not wearing their TVS will go having these people busy interacting with each other in a way where the membership of religious organization is mostly irrelevant to what they're doing is a very well is very twenty first century way of representing this and I'm not going to tell whether it's a historic accurately representing this because I don't know enough about me I don't know if it's dying plates one offs and I don't know where divinity stones on this either so I don't really want to comment yeah I was wondering even with what there is in the family because there is a pre using of because when I hear that I always feel like the couple used to and this isn't going to send message to you Dennis you're selling yourself short I was just going there but yeah I was going there yeah this one really telling moment which is after the second attempt to cross the bridge when they've actually been next week but then I decided not to go yeah after that there's the SCLC %HESITATION the snake members having that discussion in the views of the church afterwards and none of them mentioned anything to do with the car there we go sign within the next year there's two white preachers CM down from the north to join it themselves concluding that that's what happened to K. so three Hey all this was something to do with divine intervention that's not sent by anyone except for these two I think based on file though say hysterical to priests in Boston so they publicly of Irish descent I'm guessing there in Boston then it's likely it's them he speculated by the divine intervention of wireless you could actually read to start crunching dine fascinating and the silence of says just a moment of quiet reflection and thinking taking pause to think this right because we've seen him already it set him up as the street he just it's like a game of chess where he can see five mesa had he can anticipate what the other players going to date it's very similar and now he's thinking this is too you say they're gonna just satisfactory they're going to close the door after us and we're gonna get stranded and we're going to get paid not ten miles down the road from a gonna have nowhere to go I wanted to purchase was the unitarians this Friday on the second watch synthesis was on multiphase memberships because I have the orthodox either Greek or Russian orthodox guy Joseph was gone eastern orthodox rabbi several nuns and then when it came to that meeting down everyone else not down yet it's clear that some people praying is kept out of the loop when prime at least it wasn't clear that they were it was evidently something members non religiously specific as far as you do that you have a motive to do that now anyway to avoid diminishing and affinity people might fail with this moment but at the same time can have that same moved in at the time he had the motive to appeal to the small but none the less significant non Christian population of African Americans it also did nothing which historical drama tends to do which was that he was going wrong if not done too I was thinking a lot of the standard night that's not wrong just over two hours there's some historical drama school on for nearly three different ones and a lot of kids movies recently yeah I used to the eighty minutes type thing I don't know I think we post a few times because they're watching it at home so we were %HESITATION thing and running a writing things so we probably failed to come more televisual approach task to be fair probably in the Senate map I think I would have been correct and I probably would have seen the time go when I was noticing some really interesting %HESITATION signed adding and sign design there is a lot of asynchronous signs there was one particular point and it just seems like a very small interim moments but there is a part for you you for watching several people getting out of the car walking towards another group well and you could hear voices in the sign track he didn't hear the car doors closed when you saw them close and then it was a bit of a delay before you actually call the shots that was attached to the voices of the people who were actually ordering those voices and those words there was quite a lot of fun happening there was quite a lot of overlap and I think it was part of the idea of the messiness of tying the slippages and history things were happening at once even if they weren't at the same time ever added it is after happening at sametime so you were getting a plan being described and then and Jim and they saying that cross coat with it actually happening with the white preachers getting beaten up you're seeing that cross coat with the membership for the correct going to Martin Luther king what he she having to tell him and that takes it all right that they were beaten to death according to corporate computer at least the one who was the focus of that scene is one of the more attention from the American the other dog two days left and so I did what the phone was in there was it was yeah we're just gonna show not so the character died the same day or this is monsoons marked for a quick breakfast in terms of this king's colleagues informing him about two two days after the which is probably gonna happen as soon as they heard because there are the other are they I find it on clear actually because it seems like their attackers were saying to them you've come here and they were talking about it go going home so it's saying that they weren't yet back in Boston box when was it James was telling came by the incidence than just hearing about it he was referring to it happening in Boston maybe I've picked up from five is unclear on then where their location was when they were taxed to crystalline sama I think they were on purpose for where the king is currently uses the SCLC also work on three there could have been a distance between the mall because it's fast enough backsheet that when they're in sound that they go and stay with a woman I can't remember her name it seems to be a regular thing and then more and more manner and she saw her there since repairing also on Spokane on their knowledge labor of women underneath all of this that's happening service woman probably Boston type of the marches but she was looking after all of these men who were running everything giving ample Oregon feeding them so it seems like they were all because they were in a domestic setting he shaving in the bathroom and a whole group of them go to him what's happened so it seems that they're in that domestic setting where they're all staying together I find that seen it just depends on the player as to where everybody was yes their stock collapse of times throughout the film and of course it's the narrative films so that has to be a reduction and what's happened up there for a long period of time when Malcolm X. was introduced and shuffled off rather quickly yes that was an example of that definitely there's a scene in which he was used to somebody who wants to be part of the Selma activities and he had changed from the mechanics that kept being mentioned by the account as early on as somebody who was Millicent Simmonds for contrast to king's form of protest which capping stressed as being non violent and then suddenly we're having a scene where king is saying one of the summons you've recalling when Kennedy died and then he says and then one Malcolm X. was also recently taken from us and I hear her say about the Max having given a sermon and that same church three weeks before yeah this is very recent so did %HESITATION sort of make it pretty clear that this was a small segment of a much bigger story if you instances in principle by just having people seem so tired my cursory hiring all these buttons and wasn't just came on most about having that text and saying this is what happened to reach these people what's wrong so the the film in being about some of was just about a little bit of more indicated to be a much long story of course and your phones which have historical subjects students tend to do that I find intestine was the firm being G. it is almost by that reminder consummate with the text being typed on the screen and the fat people signed up the typewriter and a half the only Kerrier farms have so much from the X. files because they seem to think that this constant presence of the FBI surveilling everybody logging everything for just a moment I thought alright service techs can keep appearing on screen and it's giving us the events that's also occurring at the time because the FBI has been told to Sputnik people but does it mean that the FBI these records count as an informal version of and right and so I thought I'd seen the film so closely fertilized in these characters and based on screen Texas antagonist stick that project that it kind of reminds me of those epistolary novels where you don't just get losses of one person you get replies as well clearly we get in those numbers yet most of you have a main character and then the replies are with critical of the main character because there was someone to be mean to them some of the person or something and there is clear even though you're getting an account given by antagonists that they don't count as official or unofficial Aratus because we've already had the view of the world the best on talking stick to ready it was one where sting compressing the larger fields of conflicted motives that this phone and I did forms of several points going but we now gonna have another speech where personality who has a motif that conflicts with person B. is gonna have a damn good go at persuading passing by a young person B. is going to look very closely at them and then it's going to do what I want to do anyway that was just instance after instance after instance of that one point where someone actually managed to persuade somebody else to do something and it was one one of the snake members I think it was shown he told the story about having been attacked when he was younger and told it to king who is driving around in the Continental shop with the coverage of the two individual character yeah pretty much right up against the nose and came just listened and listened and seems to be influenced by that speech this is such an American cinema things having characters who are so strong and so rhetorically able they do a speech I never around and goes from being completely opposed to them to be completely in favor of the subject that a little bit mostly did they there's a big speech and nobody of any power these are expensive at least gets convinced there's also the people giving speeches to crowds in the crowds are already one of our situation but that's a different one the nudity that speech that Janice gifts and the car it's Martin Luther king's words that he's reciting he's talking about haven't been beaten and then the next day he makes sure he's out of speech that king is giving do you remember that and came says what did I say and he tells them about his younger self said so K. hang is one over by the words of his younger self so again they're slippages of history I did for myself thinking how much time is just puff since the last scene that we so wondering if what to be expecting any character to pay gray hat in the next scene the thing is absent was the on screen text saying three days later maybe it's a way that we can share in that kind of history that's quite narrative vice actually when the rate these histories so it's quite natural translated stuff and film as well and it's not doing it in a way that is to disorientating thought thought back and forth so I think she ends of the past and the present as well as the past present and future actually because to everybody in the film the reference nineteen eighty five fifths twenty years in the future where is up thirty years in the past for us there's an awareness that history is being created and their authors of history here and then there should revise search of history retelling the stories and highlighting things that were hidden that we're not located and histories even just a little moments like I said the same to more domestic chores or if they on the same play upper of the women often make friends even if they're on the periphery things safe when things get a bit much for Kane and he telephoned the female singer he needs comfort he needs something to give me strength and she sings the gospel song holy objects that was one of those moments with a %HESITATION he's gonna turn out to be a flounder are quite clearly but as you know he just finds out someone who knows to sing to him and she doesn't care and the person she's in bed with all citizens in the cat because this is for because it's their fight today and they're doing what they can for this fight there is quite a nice you alight scene when things start to turn for the better when knights road I certainly can't remember if it's just before the second time they take the March or the third but when I think about a whole day as I mentioned the command of famous people and the singers and performers to the come dine and join in I was thinking as well at the rate it's very quick but it's right at the start and it's a very powerful scene the part where a bomb goes off the four girls are murdered is really quite harrowing but I think it's notable that they were coming down the stairs never talking about normal things that concerned them I think we were talking about it with their hair with the difficulty of working with their hair and talking about it I think each other's mothers and so and so I think her hair just like that I don't think she uses Carter she sued the parking with the type of hair that they've caught I haven't seen a wrinkle in time the man girl character he carries the film one of her concerns as her hair is learning to embrace the texture of hair that she has I just remember when our income times coming out people are starting to see this and she gave it a very nice Twitter was flooded with mothers thanks thank you so much for this because my daughter not loves her frizzy hair my daughters and I love to %HESITATION curry half my daughters and I love the coarse hair there's this embracing and I think this is been a concern of hers I think it's something that smacks of white privilege as we don't think of bites that kind of thing all the products and all of our shops are into our kind of hair you need specialized products or he cancels quick meant to deal with certain kinds of hair everything around us privileges are higher so such a tiny moment and it's an incentive part and it sets up just the normal these little girls are and then it makes the tragedy and the violent subject ass even more extreme that this could be and you know girls talking about their hair and I'm not sure the age of self discovery any particular scene was one of those customers stickier resting ones right at the moment was very calm I'm shocked with slow moving characters very very warmly lit and very simple environment right the moment where that's interrupted by all this debris flying across the shop and the noise of the explosion right the moment the speed of the sound and the speed of the visuals get separated the originals instantly slow down to slow motion but the sound continues on a snowy ice and so we here at the huge off the mouth because it's lots and lots of rubble falling to the ground and it rains take tennis matches yeah nine what was the most unlikely observer and then at the same time what we getting is the scholastic flying of stuff to the %HESITATION and there's dust and it's all quite yellow and you can see bits of lives and that's a fact that you're saying is that someone upside down you know to really abstract I'm not is held for quite some time notably as well because they were coming down a staircase and there's lots of little details and up to date I just the way they were putting their hands on the banisters to turn around the corner status emphasis and the shots the shouts for help back far enough that you can see the curls you can see the stained glass windows the same glass windows there with images of an African American man and woman their faces and it's so rare to have those kinds of visual representations mark this as a black yes possibly a black place of worship it was like to mention that there's a chance yeah it's giving you those details and should he hire date %HESITATION this commission's going efforts even places of worship that are being targeted with that kind of violence they don't care he said the building already insidious things that was said during the north American contract was the only good one is a dead one that's what helped me it's not mentality of hair for planted those bombs and of course these are people who've never held accountable for their actions again we mentioned that former talking to fight the rape of Recy Taylor B. because that same issue from twenty years before that this was what she kept coming up against was that it was white police officers descended from family members of her family white men on the jury all white men at every stage of the way so they could never get any justice and twenty years on this is still the case I don't think is mentioned in the phone but just take a quick look and a bomb is described as having been planted by the KKK and the KKK later mentioned over it but if the endings text but there seems to be a decision not to bring them up it could be the idea of actually not giving them any credence I think it's just that overall sense of white supremacism that's coming to an end you don't have to belong to a man named organization because it shows the last city beach the white preachers to death it shows their faces they're not hiding and they know they're going to get away with that and they call them there's only one thing worse than and Marty so white and March as well they say they associates number still saying this were so famous in terms of racial discrimination in terms of sexual discrimination LGBTQ plus advice and many countries getting traded and stocks seem like today and I think also in terms of racial violence and topping for a range of reasons it just seems there are certain people Hey want the excuse for that kind of behavior because they get away with that under the prevailing climatic I suppose but the rain began at the right time to say this because at the time that this film was me it's Brock Obama was the president of the United States of America tonight America's under Donald Trump white supremacy is rising and that terrifying way another terrifying rates even in the U. K. with the aftermath of the E. U. referendum two years ago there has been at an all time digit amazing of racial abuse use two or three people on a rice effects upon the system here these are fights that are far from over there far from one twenty one to the room we need to show my face you've got a system to make about the extent to which to explore why it is that these Confederate flag waving apartments the back coming up against why it is they think what they think and the George Wallace carried the make up and hair the government mostly by tomorrow also the general bye okay what Timothy articulated a little bit of the thinking that was behind the opposition but it was really quite cursory Sir I got a sense of the firm was going southerners I'm not mistaken this is big that's not the way I would have done it I was at least a first look at why it is people for what they thought because as you know I've told many occasions to explain why someone thinks of the something is not to justify why they do it it's to better understand causality and that's what I'm saying because I'm too can prevent happening again in future so there was quite a few instances in which where these people were they were just these nameless white characters who were just shouting abuse obviously that's exactly what these activists came up against but of course is not producing dramas like this to have shots of them is the wise officials having those discussions are meant that there was some the one where Wallace was talking to the guys seem to have a local state troopers and also someone else who was a local law enforcement that respects the fact that by and large it just seemed to be these people are just bigoted and that's the fact that they become possibly be that anyone could have and should have been convinced of something that they might like to have convinced ourselves what I suggest is that there's something intrinsic about being of a certain ethnicity that means you're just going to be lacking an understanding of people of another ethnicity and the way in which the film went over some white people who understanding was if there's white people were religious I suppose that may be the place where the film was going was making this up too what is culture was that it was going what brings people together of the life blood of this activist movement is the payroll people all face regardless of faith but I think there were because it was an old people to do the clergy there and there's the woman he's highlighted it's hers as she sees it on TV and she's devastated there's no indication either way about her being there because she's religious he seems more like a humanitarian see the warm because it was a very quick brief shots was the one who should sit on the couch with a guy saying on TV and he was consoling her she was devastated to announce the woman Hey you told at the end she was she her being there getting night packs and things and then after speech and she said one viewer told she's not named correct phone number her name is given a natural choose a sauce needed after the state okay are centered to them I think there is a KKK there was there was a handful of instances of people so they were just changing that mark had acted in seem to be at least it wasn't obvious that there was a religious motivation to go first first one things that seem to be employed was that these one people came and joined the move from the north brother VS runs on fifteen February the educated probably middle class I mean they had enough money to build a gap there and give up their time a lot of them are women because women encourage J. mostly you mentioned that the thermal stresses that women in these bolstering roles but also on the March is just north and then leave yeah yeah %HESITATION there everywhere I said yeah that was pointed out by one of the historians and the rape of Recy Taylor as well as that if you watch all the archival footage of both king's speeches women are all the way through Christ our old place they're going to spring creek is about leadership will be men because one of them was a woman is dying mash when he's in the car yeah she's not really highlighted that much but she is there she is a presence we must also just come back to the this is how American films represent judges I want to come back to me this is how American films represent Jagger Hoover's because yeah he was just evil %HESITATION eagles evil tech stuff and I think the guy he plays American members name but he's got one of those familiar faces because he does loads of small roles in TV and I think he cites many evil people in the axe files and programs like that his name is Dylan Baker I was a really nice for our well meaning people he's probably one of those guys who can play really horrible people these but we really love the person he was in planes trains and automobiles it's been a load of tally why do we recognize him all right and spend around today he was in happiness yeah that was yeah his character in the film was performing characters in a wonderful mysteries wasn't concerned that's where I recognize him from actually probably as the sun made me Spiderman two and three yes %HESITATION January third he's never given to get drafted in the exiles he's not since I've sent items and it really sucks that surveillance angle the distrust of everything it's very post McCarthy it feels like that legacy still going on ten years later not to trust anybody wires through the homes phones being tops I was thinking actually because there was a lot of and the sign was again the destructive signed your maybe sing a montage of other things happening but you've got this phone call and the audio you're hearing it as if it's a recording of a phone call rather than hearing either end of the phone call and it was reminding me of the tapes of phone calls planning and Errol Morris's the folder for the documentary thank you Robert McNamara's talking about his involvement in Vietnam and he of course was under and and be Johnson throughout much of our phone calls or send to me Johnson not quite sketchy Spain gosh when today today that %HESITATION that is over ten years ago it is just reminded me about like I was hearing the signed up the recording of a phone call I was seeing as well as the montage is on screen of saying these tapes to cassettes turning on the charm because it is reminding me of top secret recordings that were being managed to avoid a particular I'm thinking about you were seeing M. L. K. his four children and they're all in bubble baths and he's talking to my mother already slate and you're hearing this phone call looks to trying to plan something and saying I want to put it off for a day on to the next Marshall Friday because I've got stuff to do my family and the people who were there and so much and it's still nurses who speaking with a guy from snake that younger yes I know it was ready to go this is the ideal time you can do this I see that might be another instance where MLK was actually persuaded to do some yeah by John there is a possibility %HESITATION I mean he's maybe he sees himself and this useful guide he is behind him he has been inspired by him so again it's he's being in fired by younger version of himself channel three Jonas that septentrionalis Wayne his middle class family night on the poles of the activism and doing what's right for the greater good I wonder if C. B. S. the channel had to get in their place being named rise because it's specifically about channel that's running the violence of the first March when the county says town TV the Quincy B. S. I've been looking up who was that I think it's got a great acting face and I said it was Michael Papa John but it's not Stephen root messing him about it from here he's always got rather thin framed glasses on the radio station going over the mountain actually there's quite a few of these things have changed some of the police work FOR your handsome back very remember these phones Gordan and dodgeball a true underdog story styles %HESITATION no country for old men this is a job being active in everything we can get out all we haven't enough we need to see that and just being a bit of a whimper by cars let me a quiet place and stresses me so much but when we're in the midst of trailers and so hereditary which just promises to be the most terrifying film ever made ever since the new York's assist composer I'm sure get that we can get away with the really rather than a lot of things that she's so close ally H. to what people are talking about issues that concern the country of which none of this is a weak country much but if this is what we can say that and look at the depot and if anybody else ever hear status and hasn't seen Salamat and baseball too it's really worth your time some of them do any sort of assessment of the because your phones well I thought it was really a great thing and I so beautifully additive today reading the scripts but any other thing yeah and and some of the folks who scored just a crane shot at the bridge that focus on the name and the rest Stephen running dying from the letters on the bridge from this is going to be crazy right I can assure I don't know about movement because we're kind of going back and stuff like that what we saw them go four stars out of five or anything like that we do know the last ten to go you should see this film this much you should have this much about going to see this and I think in the case of this I think because it's fun yeah Scorpios may decide that fast enough for people to be on my about page and thanks to some things and they show nothing happened and that should be useful %HESITATION %HESITATION just okay first %HESITATION couple months back shortly after the monthly U. fifteen genius that she didn't make us university have been unveiled a guy who specifically come to visit the university to gaze photo taken with the statute I was American I seventy walking in pasta stature into an entrance into the optional building and he said would you mind taking my photo on this yeah finally getting his phone I just a couple of basic photos portrait and landscape all you have and the first to recognize the statue's face that's the one thing that affected the camera recognize the statue's face because you know how facial recognition technology goes is that mostly focus on a funny face it recognize the face of a statue and not the face of the human the very distinctive famous though and also it's less that she's which he's been delivered even made larger than life because and this is monitoring theory actual life statues we tend to find on K. deserve it layers so little margin life just about prevents it being on campus so this guy did have to put his arm up quite a bit yeah but it's a hundred and okay that's it you're walking through the compass and the eve of the temples and you tell the Senate that he's really there you set the world to rights within the campus there's a statute in my home town which is of a local celebrity and it's actually life size and just as carriers and as we fly off topic okay great exhibition of the north as on of the moment and we can make it work I bought this month by nor supported by greed exhibition I feel like we should be doing stuff today without box open so one interesting I can't really feel compelled to death yeah I poked through the great north museum come on Hancock because we don't give me some simple names anymore last week H. and stave paper %HESITATION for all of the normal exhibits with other exhibits so that you know that you you might look in a cage which school stuff burns in it and it's also got another artifact that's been put in it which is nothing to do with stuff both which is got a little time thank you to all the other plans to mean what it is like that throughout music thing I've learned is and would make some models for kids TV shows my residency including lots of the models used in in the night garden which my kids grow up on and pop thank you a form which we remember fondly scurrying blowing inspecting the same time I was pulled back %HESITATION yeah great personal seems to be a very broad definition of great exhibition and north and I'm sure we'll be discussing yeah like to know how people in Inverness favored by but anyway one other thing yeah it's a little treats its subject that shooting skin tones she can cause substantial frontage sometimes in one film is a logistical knowing that because you have to gauge the particular amount of life to the skin reflects very carefully and gauge the license of the sensitivity of fuel from some more your effective senses on all digital cameras very precisely in order to get the fine gradations of one dog they just across any single person skin ordinarily European skin has been taken as the norm for that which is more effective or flight than skin with more talent and %HESITATION so what I can mean is even phones when you try to represent African American characters any characters recent African origin as being a person may be accidental move of not showing them in the fine details from lights to shelves that you do in the skin of white people but I've given I was totally on top of that yeah she was not for him to any of us forces us a really good point actually this is something she's also tweeted a lot of pain as the research she's done and say photographers and cinematographers who specialize in this kind of work and I will pick some links and show notes saying three point our website at Audi of Asian cultures DOT wordpress dot com nine 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hello welcome to episode sixteen of audio visual cultures the podcast that explores the signed an image cultures and their many shapes sizes and forms this week under Sheila knight returned she are severe Coppola beings this time watching the plane rang from twenty thirteen many thanks to all our listeners first checking with us so far if this is your first time very warm welcome face go back through my PhD on posts and find some of the earlier episodes thanks so much told supporters to all passengers on peach tree on tax everybody who's been very kindly sharing the posts on Facebook and Twitter everything helps get the podcast art there it's very much appreciated we are find a bill on a cast if you use that I'll be back at the ends with a few more details do you enjoy the discussion on the billing rate we are not finished with her and probably never will be seven two year student who was working on a couple of project has nine submitted that I'm not was the reason why we started Facebook we set ourselves a challenge to watch all of her films and she's directed six feature films to date so this is the fifth of them that we've nice thing and we have just watched the bling ring we're watching these completely out of Concord because we don't care sampling twenty thirteen written directed and produced by six o'clock and based on a twenty ten Vanity Fair article I've found a group that apparently existed and was called the planning and did some of these things and that they broke into and robbed the houses of celebrities in our three get a couple of observations on the way to the beginning just I mean this is something in a drive towards because of the same obsession with individual characteristics that consumes these characters in this film the medicines running happen unless there seems to be bits of her sort of signature leaking out in this film well Sarah Flack is the editor again she said that it is most of Coppola's films there's plenty of close ups of durable goods months although as the film progresses they become more more frantic in that moment gets introduced into them and I think that that drifts that drives it away from the we just showing your insights into some aspects of girlhood but you get in films like the virgin suicides into these %HESITATION point of view shots of unhealthy obsessed characters so just a little moment can change the character of the blood spectator to shop Smith saying that because there at once getting a thrill out of doing this and they're also getting sloppy because they're moving towards getting caught so there's a stress that's building there's tension building three it's coming on their movements and they're trying to reach sales but they're not really children us tell if they say they are the story arcs pretty simple first part of the film two of them gradually gets into the habit of just breaking into people's houses initially for look and then they start stealing some small things and then they involve some of the friends of the because of twenty five of them by the last %HESITATION robberies I think it's probably within zero and one with the just taking a lot of stuff they've got into high end robberies of personal items that are priced at thousands of dollars after about five others they get cold because yeah and then fires on CCTV footage and several other places and some of them get sentenced some get sentence for that loss of use and it's for the best some of the most turned the fight go down into a small degree of celebrity again but by get the fuck it was nice that that is a modern mama essentially quite a fact teens to piece of narrative because is observed uncomfortably zero these people have enough characterization to make viewing this film into the usual are that person wants this that person needs to do the best to get what they want that person has not current to flow this person has that motivation at this particular moment this person that person there was just none of that three people just kind of dribbling along that that seems to reflect what actually happened it seems to reflect the actual real people when I'm this teaching and you cancel I had two raids less than zero Freddy stenosis first novel and it's not exact same vacuous miss an ally of young people I don't get a good picture of young people in LA and I would like to believe that they're not all like this it's the CM %HESITATION my dad works in the movie industry so the ferry they should take all this money that I have and I have to work for and I can take drugs all the time and try and wear whatever I want to let everyone be however I want to have our own taste although one of the characters based on real people is of Chinese descent it's a very white privileged worlds all of the wealthy people where targeting and I'm think targeting but also obsessed with their obsessions are targeted on these proposals and all interpretations affect its old white women we do a lot of little this house is full of the stuff that his girlfriend at the time as yet not that they're targeting he he's dating rather than ham specifically Parcells and they keep going back to her house you have to say these people are really gave him for allowing all of this narrative and said following their call uses their possessions to be recreated for the film was one point one so okay this is a bit as the improv the couplers sometimes goes in for because it's the season when they go to proselytize for the second time and then one of the many walk in wardrobes and it's the point until I've been there before but the remaining three from discovering everything unless lots of people talking small screen space not one of those involved it seems like at the very least if workshop to it because it did feel like okay we're just gonna set the camera here and just go play and all that stuff be the character and reacts to CV send after that you know and they're saying all these things that a teenage girl would probably say it's hard to find a way and with this if you just have I mean I have no interest in any of this world I can enjoy the process of watching the film but have no desire to see it again I wouldn't have watched it on the we've decided to do this we set ourselves a challenge and I think it probably mentioned before I was curious to see Emma Watson and something if I am not a Harry potter fan well I've never given Harry potter go because I just have never have enough interested in any of it to give it a go and I haven't seen anything else that she's been in the house and I actually watched any of her acting but I actually quite admire her as a person so I was quite curious to see some of her work it's interesting actually how the films marketed largely around her because I think she's the only person in the cast anyone's really heard off the other young people certainly they're not well known she's the only one who you speak on name actually she said that a lot less than I thought she was going to pay I actually was surprised a high level she was in it she does a sterling job at west coast USX yeah she gets the I don't know how to describe it there's something about high the job sorry for greatness for confident way of speaking but there's also a kind of guttural girl that's all I can think of to describe it back the way it works or you don't get is that so okay well you know I talked to a friend of theirs through they carry through the files yeah she does it I think many convincingly there was one point I think this is a bit of a couple of things where there seems to be a choice by the film's imprisoned writer to go I could tell you about the psychological landscape of these characters in one and two spots here and there it's known this kind of vacuous candy floss is going on with people's heads there's actually something going on here but what I will do instead is %HESITATION give you just a couple of hints about it and then later on I'm not sure some sort of really severe tragedy that happens the result I suppose I was primed for that by vision service I it's where you guys know I'm not gonna tell you what's going on in these girls heads you gonna get this little tiny glimpse of it the reason why I thought we were getting it was there was that scene with mark for short and black and white like it was footage from his own camera say some camera phone he was my only music with lyricist was one he was smoking a little tiny bone and also seem to have put lipstick on as well this is mark here at several points in the film so far has put on a night similar to if it means closing yes if you can hear us or we about to find out that for him it's actually quite a serious psychological phenomenon is going on here is using the opportunity to indulging cross dressing which is not a tool socially sanctioned by doing under the cover of being a voyeur unable for these women's voices ship of celebrities houses or something I think so so we can get this we can find a few things out about mark another month is the most heavily so because I was carrying out all that we got from him was simply he felt the loss of Rebecca who was the one with whom he originally set up the bling ring when she decided to just have her so it was all her she'd read it and she got him into doing it there was an original and it's quite an abusive friendship really does voice over from him from someone's is five point feature the first couple of times she saw him when you have an image connected without voice I thought maybe stalking to therapist but it turns out it's the journalists from Vanity Fair who wrote the article that the film is based on on the article is called the suspects for happy tone I did say it during the phone I think they were saying the buttons anyway %HESITATION that ended up I was talking to the journalists to put all the interviews together with them Joslin's Nancy Jo sales is Marcus Welby becomes kind of like a stylist and a dresser for the other girls he seems safe sexually around them so there's just slight coatings of queerness to whatever extent not to pay but that's not the point and it's not going into a there is a kind of queerness Terry the life that sides by these celebrities because it's all about the lack he talks as well but he's not attractive so we certainly have all these beautiful things and people like them it shows she has first day going to the school for dropouts they call it people are clicking dine on him and this is really pointed they given to you in quite long sequences and then it's just Rebecca Hey it's nice to him take notice of him gets him into doing all this stuff with her and it just gradually builds up and he's very quickly draws you into this friendship that just seem to spontaneously happen out of nothing she just seems to be looking for somebody to ride around and do this stuff with her so it's all up by him not being conventionally attractive and we don't know what he means by that like it Freeman said the masculine or feminine way we don't know but whatever it is it's not what everybody finds attractive and so he's adorning himself with attractive objects in close and of course the girls she reassess status because this is a world where the deck is everything and so there is a kind of queerness to you I mean almost a point of dry keep with the likes of Paris Hilton or and see you know how and where they're dressing up in a certain way to be a perfect %HESITATION and then like it's over from a nice tip so far to the point where it's too exaggerated to the radio and feels like that's what I want to capture I mean that hello Watson character Nikki she's constantly preening herself for very good but being conscious better lips constantly she's constantly club banging craning her lips fixing or lipstick or gloss there's a lot of faith acting going on really so is acting room who five yeah definitely I wasn't going to make you she's constantly asking other people for feedback on how she looks yeah number one show some of them for advice about what to wear when she's anxious there it is they all have a performance to carry out no not at all times but at key moments and that that performance is a real conscious effort is very distinctive from how they might just carry themselves if on observe that's a constant impressions from games I suppose with that means therefore is the Xfinity center C. recognized by this film is a performance gender in general is implicitly recognized as the phones to something that's available to mark as much as to any other character in the film some just doesn't go anywhere with any of these potential common trees it does cost a couple of things just going I'm just going to tell you about this thing that happens in this fictional space as if it really happens and that maybe that is the right somehow from the fact that there was a real event this is based on of course we don't creatively this haunted from those events I had a quick click on the wikipedia page up by the actual great data the film is of course a compression of everything because they seem to have picked up a lot more homes than the film can cover and the films in the eighty seventh minute song so it's quite a compact found but I actually in one sense I think you mentioned earlier he said this is an article length %HESITATION considers an expansion of an article but it's also the compassion of about eight nine ten months where so the fence the events are so straightforward and simple vacuous really that there's not a lot to tell the firm justice convey that that this group just started safety and really quite easy entry they weren't even breaking and entering a lot of the time they were just letting themselves and the because these people had been syphac less about their own security there is a measure of these celebrities %HESITATION phone too complacent these services are far too rich going on for from the heavily inducted its main characters as vacuous and putting all our efforts ingenuity into one of just seventy six and do something illegal for one of those all of that it also indicts the seventy six houses that breaking into the shoe room in Paris Hilton's house for example Welling on just how sharing any festive and then there's like finding another room inside another room and rooms and they just keep them all wow who has also written the show many stuff yeah they keep commenting on how much stuff para Filton alone because it just keeps repeating itself even as chase it was a whole spectrum of color there they seem to have been color coded there was a whole area for just all the sheets of paying can't seem like she had one pair of shoes for every day of her excessive service so many pairs of shoes and of course a couple life time into buying one pair of shoes the lifetime you're about to start I was gonna say you know I okay sorry %HESITATION it's a podcasting but also the problem they encounter is that they all want to try on the shoes but they find their way too big for any of their fate and so mark Morrison thank fed him and so maybe there's an something impressive Arab right Paris Hilton yeah they do point out that while she's got big feet she must be pretty game to know that all this is happening I mean it's just more publicity and I would imagine she would not care about what kind of publicity she was getting as long as something less interested in anything to do with her it's banking on not the film's banking on that quite a bit the scene was the driving away from her so in this house and it's Chloe use of the way only seems to be one %HESITATION alright consists of five main characters yeah and she seems to be the most privileged on the main there's a huge amount of privilege monks a script but that claims to seek out of her in her home and the home is almost as lavish as a lot of the celebrity himself making enterprise silly thing about it is it's just rich people making stuff from IBM when they donate donate today call the main stick at a lot of this stuff so the scene on foot if broken process us for the second time thinking of driving away in everyone's drunk and clothes driving an impressionist okay she had a drink too but Bob she's driving because she's had the least think of all of them but now she's just rhetoric and then there's this moment of Sunday this lights off to her left through the side window and suddenly because they keep singing to each other and she turns around and this is that she's going through a red light and something goes straight into her about points all right that's gonna be the kind of awakening moment because the characters are going to go why don't we reveal the best stuff it but actually she's not artists she gets arrested she gets from her office she gets released and there's no indication of consequences there's a slight reference to community service I think she talks about picking up garbage she can't drive for awhile that's about it the implicit message of firmness first certain class of people it's basically impunity but then when they finally get sentenced in this is probably part of the film's contrast for for burglaries what about nine years and two of them got one in one day to reach even one year for one burglary is a lot of time to spend in prison for breaking into someone's house that was already open yet but they stole something like upwards of three million dollars worth of stuff sorted through pay huge amounts of money for the No the main character is highly criticized by this from I don't know I mean I don't know if the firm has systems I think it just shows and this is where you make your minds up I think it just shows you story I don't feel like it judges anybody did was took the place to be crappy hundred so may I suppose there's also an effort here together what I'm going to simply do you one of these crime narratives where is waiting for the point with the criminals get their comeuppance at the hands of moral righteousness the police are brash brutal that dismisses charges kids after all I mean they're teenagers they're still skill H. they must be what sixteen seventeen this is the constant problem with Hollywood films in hiring people in their twenty S. these people close to home with films anyway which is yes please awesome money sixteen the place sixty nine is the actor's twenty four they are minors aren't they pointed late when necky Emma Watson's characters man arrested she keeps repeating Nick I wanna talk to my mom you need to let me talk to her you're hurting me you don't need to hurt me and I didn't feel sorry for her or anything but I did think this is for really big fella and she's a tiny Recaro he really does need to be passionate about it I thought she will just go to the car and it's a reasonable request that this child is being arrested and traceability won't speak to her mother this is one thing tends to be a bit of a shock to people when they look it up because it's fine to have sex for money sixteen drinking you need to wait for that I'm driving it towards the back but in the states is still around so California for example age of consent for sex eighteen alcohol twenty one although interesting some clothes for the age of consent thing for sex is that if you're married to the person you can have sex and that's why we keep having all these child marriages sixteen driving this first thing you can do to get to be able to drive under eighteen but actually in California you have to be eighteen on right to apply for driver's license without first getting a learner's permit they teach Irish adults go to million pieces from a motor vehicles in the U. S. as in California sixteen you are eligible for provisional driver's license if you complete driver's education if you don't do that if you something off to get a provisional permit and if you're eighteen you can get a license without considering the center probably just drive them because they come drive so they take cars and then transition them enough time it comes across it is a bit shocking how blacks people in the states can be about security I suppose the fact that they select is ever have reason to be a lot more careful about security been some people who have nothing but seems to be an implicit criticism of the celebrities some of them got some security but some have enough to stop people breaking into houses maybe there is an assumption that they don't need it I mean who could possibly steal from them and they've got such an access of stuff but they really notice that much is missing these kids could have really been getting away about for years if they just taken up really so they they actually could have just taken the odd thing here and there for years nobody would have known did you point out when these some of the eighth time that they got a person's house one of the characters does observe that it comes down to sing but she hasn't noticed but she just has so much stuff and she can buy new stuff FC current find something that's when they take things like the photographs of the bat I thought she's clearly picked those in a private place the firm does not make you privy to the contents of the photos other than some sort of for market by I think it was your skin so I think it was probably part of the personal beauty regime something like that because they said something like it's really cared she's just so much problems %HESITATION something understand because obviously your skin doesn't not trade it the way it looks she's doing a lot of stuff to make it look like that and so those are probably images of the real power rests so those are very personal things that was the only time when I felt any kind of sympathy or discomfort on behalf of anybody out there right so really just did not care and I felt sorry for them okay and honestly it was a person there but not caring it was on her cell phone okay there was a Megan fox knows Megan fox news Paris Hilton then they should go there on their own to them mark and spectacular no one anything well you know if you're not even gonna lock your door for your car but then that's victim blaming and that's not right just because these people are filthy rich just in Maine that's right that their stuff is stolen they forked to too great to get I mean much in front of the class I start to fail and adequate and I feel like I should make a bit more effort on my appearance and I realize how much work they actually paid and said looking like that and it looks so effortless and screen but actually this is ours if painful wax saying in all kinds of Hiram may fill and sell cars spends on all the many things you need to do with your hair and the layering system make up the styling of the clothes and everything this is charged on March tenth our shift work and research actually it's actually incredibly hard work select that effortlessly kids there is a kind of neighbor it's a neighbor that I think most of us would probably fail as many not contributing anything to society and anyway other than next Friday if there is an implicit message in there about the importance of recognizing later even when this comes to be devalued it was lost amongst the noise off on the celebrities factors and self obsessed I mean there's a lot of dwelling on just how many pictures of herself film has in the house and again she's really KM if she's allowed a lot if the amazing except her actual license she just let everybody and there's one tiny short where there's a glimpse of what looked like a mountain bike helmets right right in a house like this some part of her life when she successor icing up she goes okay belts and business it might be a reference to something that may have been an image in the past about the reference okay I'm just guessing but homeostasis money usually miss out when it comes to access right now all right so a couple of couple isms she's quite happy with having not much known Dodgers in music and then when the numbers music does appear it's abrupt and it's loud yeah it's piercing times confirms of turning the volume up because the council remarks during teacher for that their voices were drowned out by digested music circuit %HESITATION turned up and then some of those those of silence and then the Brookley broken by renowned pacing non digesting music and sometimes dial so this brother stark contrasts in use of sound and civic I was fine with just having no known digestive music from big sways of time just require came with uncertainty the first sequence that we see which is the first break ins eclipse that we see which is the first break in happens but it's just the from beginning media rest when they open the door listening very loud wailing sound and it could be the sound of a siren and only about ten seconds later he's become clear that it's the beginning of a long time yeah use of music and the music actually is quite alarm like signs like a car alarm going off because the whole point is no one has any of these yeah tickets are it was surprising that there were no alarms see remarks it right there's no alarms in the trying the car doors and there's so many of the card which is open and their purses with money in them right inside on the issue of whether the film is steaming people to be culpable for best second stolen if they leave it and then unlock St I think it's that everyone in this area okay so rich that they don't even need to think if I the idea that somebody might steal something from them just got money because they've all just cost so much the firm was saying these people accountable for their losses the film would have %HESITATION two main characters be a bit more Robin Hood they're stating very much for themselves for their own image it doesn't really talk about it but it shows a lot of faith spec posting they were busy broadcasting on Facebook walk every day they're showing off all the designer gear that they being stating and they were talking about it at the party so we're going to be enough for a lot of the evidence comes from for the trials the people he they think are their friends shop them pretty quickly when they shop each other it seems they're interviewed separately there's the whole thing with her back at running off to Vegas and ditching alluded first off with mark before she goes and he's totally unaware that she's up to something their relationship starts to break down and I think when therapy Megan fox's place he thinks he hears somebody outside and he's one of the ladies and she says to him develop patch twice before she was a psychologist to lighted sign and then she's actually trying to get angry with him for being a bit sensible thoughts when they're on the way back and the two of them are alone in the car and he asks her if I ever make it well you wrote me and she said no I would never do anything like that T. A. but of course it's the foreshadowing that she is going to try to drop and then I suppose if there's been any main character who is relatively blameless it's mark because he's pretty quickly swept up in this interesting as the new kid at school who does not mean friends and so that's where you almost instantly becomes the person just does whatever back once interest on the first day she takes her trying the doors of cons receive news they pick up this way before some of the temporal uncertainty that we have because we have first seen seems to be something like this third break and then we get a bit of footage if he did come back to that one actually it's the one where they take the picture if that Paris Hilton again this time note to somebody else I did forward %HESITATION which one is which lost track so you have to start with which is just one of the break ins which isn't the first breaking I had a bit of footage of some of them talking to the press after they've been tried or the stuff they've been charged and then we get some footage of the actual beginning of the story Adam this quite a lot of flashing forward to more of their interviews with the press with I feel like we saw you carry into with mark I think you're actually aligned with him a lot of the time and you're almost in a bit of a similar way to the virgin suicides you're actually learning more about the girls to the boy character to an extent not to the extent of the virgin suicides spa it's definitely there or for a couple of being served into depicting the details of girl hit the enter these films the fictional girls are only available to the viewer as people who eighteen point seven speaking American actor has a vague idea possibly anyway you could pay that with Marie Antoinette as well because this is somebody whose life is set out for her and a very patriarchal order of things she has a particular function and I have to be the wife to the to from and to provide an heir to the throne you're aligned with her about her life's already been dictated on because to historical narrative from the already knew the ending it's already satellite it's already signed up for you so just ten extent I would encourage her and there as well and she is styled by Amazon you've got these little threats that are putting together and I think actually it's maybe and stand to look at the arc and where was the need to actually go back to the chronology of the phones because with the virgin suicides and that's your first feature seeing how this group of girls young women live through the eyes of guys trying to piece it together it comes sort of full circle wherein the beguiled it's actually a re hearing every taking of an awful lot of previous film that were written from the man's point of view you all of this home the social tiny community of this group of women and girls tennis because together she turns out a reminder that from their point of view there's a kind of a turning its initial sort of brute Tatian happening if there's one very unifying theme it's female characters who remain at least partially a mystery to the employee yeah sometimes via a surrogate observing male character about whom you plug your war markets the most trying dudes of them his motivation or lack of motivation how he got sucked up and it is clearer and he seems to be a bit more honest to R. as Nikki van a lot some character it's very clear from the very start with her she's planned this celebrity game and she's playing the innocence to her mother to the journalists but there are revealed and already she says things and how she's saying she gets the last word excel %HESITATION and it's she turns directly to the camera the mother this interview and starts to promote herself very plain plate and I'm guessing that that tree so that person actually delta her deception is very clear we've also got some really clear cash reserve location and this phone because these girls homes and monsters world these repressive environments where they have no relationship with their parents the reason I'm parents breezing and points to get angry at the kids or coming in at any point to try and establish a relationship that is the fact that we don't have power yeah so Nikki again and her stepsister he's part of the gang is well under younger sister he gets embroiled in a tiny bit their homes schools by quite an overbearing read the vacuous Mother Earth and I've seen them she thanks bye and it's these teachings that are kind of along religious lines but it doesn't even seem to be religious or shifts very vague idea of spirituality and they just sat on the sofa eating snacks for the mother talks nonsense on them and get them to try and point out you think K. two characteristics of Angelina Jolie and things like that I'm just reading about what the secret is because that's the name of the spiritual practice that others into these very positive energies can help change the world kind of self help stuff I don't think I'm schooling is going to ever appear in the film as something that's a good thing to do to get kids because I was going to Germany so she taught in the states with parents who don't want their kids to learn facts and instead would rather have to interchange but I just lay over the cross that's by no means %HESITATION I'm schooling no it's it's a recent times with kids yes she she could try eight negatively and the loose waste in films it's kind of a negligent parenting three being overbearing and following this dog that rather than getting to know the girls and what their needs might pay and not giving them any real direction in life the thing that comes and gives a direction that is the celebrity culture the way they learn first laptop and something that when you're home life is so horrific he does %HESITATION the firm is going if you could home school your kids probably enough to teach them content they might not ten feet away so we got four cats agrees by my reckoning of location in this well maybe five the hands of these five kids aren't just unpleasant places and yet are practically mountains as far as most of us are concerned then there's the school which has nothing for them that's very good %HESITATION attention paid to that thing at school is just where they initially made contact with each other then there's the beach there's just a little bit of them being on the page but that's just a place they can go to have a talk and smoke and then then this club that they gives you what is your fantastic amount of drinking and that seems to be a place of liberation there's a lot of nondescript they take some drugs and do some drinking places ring okay where they're doing a lot happens in a club and then the most exhilarating locations of the celebrity houses so there's a spectrum of locations that are alien to them and that running away to locations that are really comforting to the homes of the more Asian locations on the comforting locations the card whether intensify a lot of the time and this is still kids playing out I suppose it's the clever go to is basically can be completely isolated from family and from school from terrorism actually are yeah it's liberty sport the guy he seems to work there be a manager there it's hard to tell what he is but mark sells off some of the stolen relaxes to him and things he seems to facilitate them but he seems to have something going on with Chloe phase one of the men five but she's quite peripheral even to that grape and there's times when she won't go to the houses with them because she's saying now we need to tell even just like when the first video breaks from %HESITATION Audrina somebody sorry they have no concept this person could pay but they're caught on video and not the sequence of them and it's just to market growth back K. going to not one but that was really fascinating because that's the only time when you don't go into the heist with them fear held NFL with an extreme long shot but it's on a reduced those same men watching the highs from a distance the high seas basically transparent it's just glass fronted everything you can see everything that day it's sort of like it also I sent away when they light up for M. C. can see them from matching Orion's but it's all in one take so you can see everything they do they do really quickly they're there for a few minutes and cancer it pretty self the lady on the road again but it's there's footage from that one so we're not in there with them at the time but B. C. and site it says CCTV footage that shown on its broadcast unless one remarks faces captured very clearly and then I talked to that breaks away saying we should just calm down and leave it for a bit and she will go with them but the two of them had off somewhere else and take the other chair with them I think we got a mega boxes or somebody else is really very since the phone was just how emotionally mature some of the characters are because some of them seem to understand that they're breaking into striptease houses in the Senate agree of danger to it even though these celebrities are not being harmed by the break ins and they're always doing it when the van and when they're off making money some kind of decision to be where the scent of danger the other characters don't seem to be a tool aware of the possibility of danger so what is it with Sam she gets a gun at one point and she's either drunk or high she's waiting around like yeah of course the company real over there it's very clearly radiology nurses frankly really seems to care about this is what we do nothing we did was remove calls altogether the extremely clear message that we will tend to gravitate towards in films wasn't very nice one he's not a bad thing because this seems to be a bit of a coupler tendency is just %HESITATION someone that still have it you have to kind of check the habit there's a single message investments perfect five six over exactly happened in that but I think if there's one it's that when people are put in positions where they are told to have control over their own lives but damn the case that %HESITATION treated only as consumers they will %HESITATION consciously become aware that they have no control over their own lives and tried desperately to assert that control elsewhere in the lines the friendliness with which they start breaking these houses will start just entering these houses would open doors that seems to indicate an attempt to assert control where these characters basically investor lives have none the reason that it was unclear if you haven't noticed the stuff about the psychology of Rebecca she seems to have those lines is a hundred percent sure what the nation and all of them just breaking into houses and being a bit curious turns out to be had we coming towards the option to get into men's lounge house and just being placed in our hands space for the %HESITATION back bring the same errors are trying to perfect even that just has an obsession here with a specific person and that's very different from this sticking it to the man breaking and rummaging of anything so far even that gets the tiniest little push but maybe this when we get to watch someone which is the last of these couple films the record today maybe that will be so comfortable with that that we just got %HESITATION yeah because it's got only wanted to fake suggestions of a main message and that's what it is I was just thinking about a Monday and valiant things I was just wondering about what kind of budget this so much because it's so lavish I mean it's very like Marie Antoinette and not it's a really lavish very efficiently they say %HESITATION just just so much means a fan because there's so much and he's always says according to him I am debate the budget was estimated to be around eight million dollars which is not very much money so I'm wondering if they pull the favors of Asia she's chief and meditations and stuff is it one of those where it's a bit like Sally potter's Orlando where there's a very small production budget but they've used most of that on the setting and where her stay actors really really hard and it sounds so that they go in and they have very few takes with everything and they actually make phone ready quickly some wondering if maybe it's something along those lines because it's just such a lavish looking phone maybe they faro focus of stuff there's a huge amount of product placement as well because you've got I think they lack access for shift all the designer brands they're saying the names of everything when they're showing off the clothes and shoes the wall shares all of the fake brand names maybe there's lots of product placement going on here as well the firm over which we have pointed back to the future there is a link is a notable little event in movie history because it's one of those movies where it was done with a product placement strategy and there was elements in the film why it is clear it's a product placement in the center he got money for product placement but as much as an ounce is in lots of entries that that was the last film which she did put a placement because the night merry had with California right that trying to advertise some raisins became really difficult given that race and stuff for the car for a while I'm decision they often came up with was not possible to the California raisins companies at least gave the money back and reason I consider stupid headache I don't do that anymore which is ironic given that this is a director who went on to direct cost away when would FedEx appears about thousand time anyway so I tend to associate product placement something which is quite old something quite unusual now but of course it's not because they're all over the place but it's so ubiquitous it's invisible it's the essence of bone movies for stars is that feels kind of gross to watch a movie yeah the oldest profession so yeah it would surprise me if even if a couple was doing the same thing and depending on where I'm from port placement that kind of stuff maybe and then and fevers and may be asking a celebrity sick and we're making this movie very interesting because it's even product placement for celebrities they're using that particular people's names you know they're using function initially Parcells and Megan fox then say no %HESITATION this person for doing that Hey I've never heard of in my life before we're not to blame difficult a kind of currency what those names from the wikipedia page on the actual gang membership something like over fifty people who were targeted this is only a handful of them in Paris Hilton was the most prolific one and then zero high and it seems to me they took the most monetary value from her but there were loads of other ones and the chain because this is something it felt about the belts over time they've targeted a lot of the people here part of that culture it seems if they mostly women and mostly white women Hey are like Paris Hilton are famous for no particular reason the famous just because they happen to be wealthy and they can afford to do lots of silly shows and stuff they have enough wealth to generate their own celebrity you don't hear very much of parcels anymore but then I haven't the TV for a long time so maybe that's why we're certainly very impressive Kirsten Dunst was difficult to go and we just make a quick comment on my phone I know K. sites out there she is she is actually in this and then she never came back again and I thought maybe it's just me looked a bit like Kirsten Dunst but it was her yeah yeah this may be covering that was a generation of faxes the I used for my girls and then %HESITATION goes anymore so now he's the new generation of actors and music from my girls handing over of mental but I suppose be dissimilar significant about two second cameo in which customs doesn't say anything if you're handsome man and that you don't know if she was Arabs or south or it could be something happened magic going on like was she there as Kirsten Dunst happening to be in this club or was she another part of the sat in my section was that she was there is constant and yeah she is a mess transaction where she's very much an adult at this point because the next phone the company makes its but goggles three four years later there are gaps between you because it's more difficult for women even if you have her name to get financed I'm surprised at how low the book to live system that says to me that she's made this really economically Baker center there the cast is very %HESITATION known Emma Watson is the only name I would say a star studded event what's taking into account the size of the roll number line she has relative to other girls in this film would be fascinating does seem to be the phones selling point as far as storms consortium if there is one tool it takes a long time for her character to really have any problems I thought I was surprised I thought because I thought she was going to beat me and Carl anything then that DVD cover here the image from Monday five December straighten their stuff down the streets and she said the meadow she central to it whereas and we're back here he used to her rights and the image and Marcus here laughs they're the man today and they're the ones you with most of the time that images almost certainly stays together as a recreation of fat short with the walking down the street because it seems is to doctor shot as the wrong shape we're in the homestretch and we have won most of the film torture before we're up to speed and she does have this habit of making something like one film every four years so our lifelong complete commit one can see not much of a yeah I was wondering about the celebrities and something that it's more of a specific a curiosity about film culture and this big questions that the film came to throw stuff because there's so much intimate detail on separate days to what extent is that radio to what extent is that a recreation of their actual real homes and possessions is there a kind of embellishment of even Paris Hilton as she actually put more modest relatively than a simple item to what extent if if %HESITATION I re invasion of the privacy of these people well I suppose there's the issue of if someone says can we come from inside your house and you say yes these are people who have largely as far as I'm aware of being found on like crepes for MTV and stuff any way they're used to having cameras in every fighting there they have camera ready homes is it more of an invasion or is it just more publicity for these existing celebrities does it buy into rather than just rocked the publicity machine I am deeply through your page that was Paris Hilton house Kirsten Dunst cameo was nonpartisan script it was a corporation the firm after Dunn's visits of a couple and the real life can't and he's based on does have its reality TV show and it was Harrison V. does cinematographer who died string prescription who persuaded coupler to keep in that very slow zoom in shot of memories the thing that I thought was really nice at this make you may think the most obvious reminder I was getting most Michael snow's wavelength that really slow steady seven you almost imperceptible I'm guessing he was wanting to maybe do something for himself to something very %HESITATION artistry it was notable because of the sort of place because a lot of the camerawork place very hand helds very end with them hello time it's very had tightened its fire had tight just running with them in the initial sequence or it's just setting it back in a corner and it's watching them all day they're saying it's in the car with them it's very stuck with them and that some of the only times and it's always decide what to trade and then it's just watching from afar it actually kind of exposes how you physically are hello the robberies are taking place at night it's making me think of hiding in broad daylight because they're so visible with two of the day but everybody so wrapped up in themselves in their own self image they're not seeing what's going on around them and not saying that this book to kids is getting away with state and all that stuff the TV feed looking at themselves for being elsewhere making an image of themselves somewhere else to a notice that these kids are making a mockery out of them if the great work also so fact yes you think they're actually kind of revolutionaries they're actually quite subversive in what they were doing but they're just no I'm entitled to this I'm taking it it seems to be that comes across to me %HESITATION around the chain of islands in that particular region compost host policy every now and then of them enjoying the Welland spoils of the raids have been very Asians burglarizing I love that time is not voting not very good all right there's a work that in %HESITATION American standard English which I just can't help but silently correct another American music is obligated every time I hear United States can say that I'm obligated to do something or some of the biggest is the center I'm just calling to price yeah survivalists and %HESITATION right so the center supervisor but a lot of contemporary determinate sentences two thousand eight fish music both died at the convention and tourism stuff no one was hurt and that was from particularly gorgeous similar points where it's going it's quite nice the sense of claustrophobia because we have a camera and a camera moving backwards is characters walks recorders okay lovely stuff and stuff those ones are right for our schools and it was the one where it marks coming out of school I think it's the day off to his first record comes out of school and everything's out of focus and he just slowly I think it's farmers few slammer shots in the film he slowly walks up to the point when he's in focus and then notices are enough screen space heaters hello hi I love that I love sharks where it begins out of focus and a character has to come to the camera the camera is not going to lack focus to bring character to suffer because not it's a kind of well to to change my purpose in order to make you properly visible but you can catch me that's the same kind of restraint that we get in that very long very slow zoom in on that old house charm which is incorrect stark contrast to a lot of things rather frantic can remove them to get up in the face in the future right where it does seem to be really intensely subjective thinking if update and maintains and all the other from so far there's been quite a lot going on my sexuality and the burgeoning sexuality of young women and there's very that lives out here I think Sam has a boyfriend and he's advocated enough with the stuff as well but that's just she just happens Abbas boyfriend and she goes to his place there's nothing really about sexuality is a driving force in number anything the way it was and the virgin suicides on the way I really really isn't the guy owes that's bursting at the seams of the heist nearly members sounds but here it's this other kind of desire it's this desire to possess to own this program shops where the characters are doing self fees and so can really cut close up to each other and mark has constantly has lots of girls is an age press stop yeah and there's nothing there's nothing Intel here like I said earlier he say if sexually they don't he doesn't seem to see them as sexual objects they don't seem to see him as a sexual object he's one of them even that Nikki is in his bedroom alone with him and his mother comes sick at his attention %HESITATION no it's the video breaks and they react very lightly and so the parents are coming to check that there okay and stuff and there's nothing really sad about him being %HESITATION but this girl is ran as she CF to get dressed and undressed in front of him he's kind of coded as clear or at least sexually safe around them there's nothing really going on with them the only moment where there's a bit of tension physically is actually when it tipped over into violence when someone has a gun and he's really trying not to get shot and knocking her hand away and is trying to grab her hand to get it off her and she's saying no to touch me you know you don't get to grab me and touched me in things so there's just grapple with consents going on between them because she doesn't want him touching her he doesn't want to get shots and that's you know that they're going to be fine but there's still a lot of tension because guns are dangerous and they're such normal life things in the states which is very alien to us here the gun death figures in US substantial proportion of numbers just come from guns in a cap for him defense and found by kids and makes use for the one point we have some sort of consent tussle it's in a position where the woman he's insisting that she does not consent to the touch has a gun in her hand and keep pointing it at the very reason why the guys touching hers because he wants us to know twenty got it and it's fantastic little bit of kind of a combination of reversal of normal settings about consent and estates and low fat as well because in the next scene she has taken that gun to her boyfriend status and he's knocking it away and it goes off and then made it implies that they have sacks and they don't seem as harsh that a gun just went off maybe set off alarms it's got dogs barking people are worried and they're just scared and dying to see it again it reminded me of less than zero or you've just got this group of people he earned all ours to buy anything in the world effort but I something masses their hair that's the worst possible thing it is important that the average sensing for these people is so into a combination of the following server to coach and working on or the parents that they have no time left for the round of the users and that's what the only situation in which that might be changed as of something rather scary happens with a gun and that will have temporary unleashes the video and then we finally got one morning the only thing the only way that Americans can get aroused is three connectivity either way a bit of an indictment of consciousness of the living legend but I suppose it's technically it's Calabasas right and California where they actually live but a lot of the houses they go to right now they are gonna get run well I think that would be for that and at some point we will do a summer and quit looking for tonight because you've got the DVD and Stephen door this and that and I quite like him actually interestingly one other thing on the front which says empire gave it four stars and that's often you got covers a DVD splurged with this magazine get five stars this website can phone us those who have theirs and by gave no memory of this ever coming right it must have got much or at least all of the rest of their homes I had heard of I nearby I hadn't necessarily seen them also translation was the only one I had seen before but I had heard of all the others and no concept effective remember be interviewed you don't remember finance and then I knew nothing at all okay existence of some more this is what we're at is it is a little bit of watching stuff we would not ordinarily workshops including stuff we don't even know about these better see here again for the next couple thanks again for listening and again 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hello and thanks for joining us our audio visual cultures fourteen I'm your host Paula plier this weekend you Sheila and I discussed the disaster artist the James Franco vehicle about eight the making of the notoriously bad the rain there's some mention of suicide and some swearing in this one l'arche or recording from the films there's also some rumble at the end about my aspirations for the podcast and other aspects of the wider HVAC project that I'm working towards thanks to all listeners and supporters all your shares on social media or huge health enjoy the discussion I don't a hard time hi this is is divided over the item there is only okay it was just so I can testing service my first encounter with the rent not to be confused with ninety year from since quite excellent may they ran from a couple years ago but tell me listen listen listen we're Y. so he knows first tell me from he knows who cares with those that are in one of the worst movies of all time so I became aware of that history rifftrax correct tracks if you don't know who is used to be I still love I was a huge fan of mystery science theater three Bisons when I was a teenager I still have a huge fan of this three of the guys who used to date that night to something called ref tracks so they still may face a right very common accompaniments to overlay they face a you want chips with fast and they're riffing the film the whole time they release ten minute versions of space %HESITATION you shape that you could watch and it's really good if like me you can't necessarily afford to buy the ref track all the time and the film as well the staff at wonderful so good because then you just have this ten minute version of what would otherwise be an excruciating experience and I know you've paid the whole life hurry with watching the Rev that's how I have %HESITATION actually reflected aware of it for quite a few years because of that and I think that's physically of the way I can actually watch that found its way through after accident so anyway I could watch many films as with rough tracks are mystery science theater will come to you know because you you watch the red recently for a statement and that's really the only reason I think we were curious anyway but the disaster artist but we had no opportunity to watch it for free totally naked eye we check it partly because of this project you should since working on so if you wanna get us up to speed with top of the version number one this evening is that none of us have actually just walks to the room you watched a bit of it yeah mmhm and I watched it because when my students staring at the station on it very brave student decided at the undergraduate level sorry she's just twenty one inch to do some research for using live human subjects is what university classifies as she decided to do some research with audience responses to stuff and what she wanted to know there was D. N. fees now is in the audiences tend to show for very first one is always fifteen seasons in the audiences tend to show for it does not come from having been practiced stints of Lee on the idea that it's not the fact both ends of popular culture is it a kind of users and the audience is richer for it if you just show the phone without any warning or phone service I was one of the humans actually no I wasn't one of the participants because on universal the film she delivered it to an audience research thing where was a mystery so it's going to be screened I knew about in advance so I wasn't able to be one of the participants but took the opportunity of simultaneously just being there to lend a hand if necessary it wasn't she was very capable of screening such a reaction to you wanting that to also watch director having heard about it years ago when another student I'm also a student at this point something like twenty twelve it was was during a very similar to an audience research using participate free screenings of the room Tyneside cinema here in Newcastle this is a litany of ways in which people have seen the room without just choosing to go and see this is one we don't really see if %HESITATION I suppose observation number one is this season on orthodox viewing experience to see the written another way I suppose in which people may be coming to see it now is there see the disaster artist and on the go what's all the fuss about I need to see that and so the practice to think that this movie is going to be awful another channel I didn't know if it is quite exquisitely but it feels well enough to say this is in my everyday job I'm completely neutral questions of course is going to does of course what many cinemas did win the disastrous came out in December last year was they run it alongside the road answered you can buy a special doubles I think is a Spender and it was probably because this was happening the disastrous disrespect came out the most you can decide to do that she wanted to get her screening in the for the disaster artist cannot logistically she just wasn't able to get organized and time stood up afterwards he didn't make any difference if I the design process to come out because nobody came to this mystery from screening hadn't even heard of it I suppose it's also something that's just come up in popular discussions about phone yeah I have a lot of students who just casually talking about film and fairies increasingly rare interactions with us members of stuff and then mention the room then mention the coming out of Paris and matic for participating juried performances was very appropriate is extra fun to me and I'm not just liking something with distinguishing what you do in interacting with something %HESITATION what normal fines too by taking it to a very radically different level and doing not not just for himself but also to dislike there's a lot of participate every screening so at the very end of the old property horror screenings people it's turned up for the comic valiant beacon of part of an idea of something being a chorus of people going well hi marker I did not hit her I did not I suppose there are four or five moments in the film when it's so easy to have this call number and it goes because I'm on the website I did not hit her it's not sure distortion I did not hit her I did not oh hi mark threw a bottle among the rich textures to use its just a lecture yeah yeah but so many families through which we can see the room and we don't have really stood but believes there would have been a disaster artist and all day she said that from Sarah throws up a lot of issues I mean I would sort of crafting of this because I was thinking that when I started alright with the podcast I really want to package the underprivileged and so far we've already done Orson Welles and Steven Spielberg and of all the women filmmakers we keep chasing a call for a couple left %HESITATION complex not sure exactly how to say her name we're not quite going your directions some of the gap you have to start somewhere and %HESITATION so we've been kind of shaping it city these are student projects that years supervising that Li Feng facilitating quite a bit so far as yeah in these drug addicts since we're trying to do a service and maybe that says a lot about what students are looking into at the moment and what they're dealing with and maybe actually universities economy needs to rethink things a little bit as well it's not really a fan of my probably would've said oh it's J. off my own bat all these come up they thought this would be useful Hey it might be a chance and for people who are generally but I don't think this is going to be at gosh fast on the gov scale very low and it's annoying because I enjoyed watching the film I think in a way it could take center Freddie firewood where I've read you rated joy watching that but then young pecan and on Russell's and all the problems come three this one I enjoyed watching it but at the time they could see nothing in this but it's not okay this is not okay things laugh %HESITATION them comfortable with a lot of the issues to be corrupt and I think that this guy coming away so as I mean he could read that it's just giving the child with him but I actually I think it does a lot of favors because all of his points come across all of the points that he would make Barbie is and then he can be satisfied in knowing that yeah that's the challenge me that Sakura and that's where I stand and that's fine we need to be doing a little traveling from twenty seventeen to last December came out and it's based on a book called the disaster artist borrowing access to her %HESITATION this think sterile I'm not sure how to pronounce it during systems twenty thirteen Burke the disaster artist my life inside the room the greatest bad movie ever made now we have wrecked the non fiction his account of being the costar through the title does suggest a little something about the contents of this book which is that it's an account of timing was I'm making a huge mess of making from what we get in this is our strongest the James Franco Seth Rogan firm is plenty of fat but we also get is the development across the narrative and the redemption of the two main characters because it but his to quite familiar fictional structures in which people have to learn they have to repair that character deficiencies and they have to get over the environment and the redeeming moment for me was that is off to the humiliation of being people the primary around him laughing in ridiculous form gets convinced that he can use this by claiming that he meant for the film to be a party and it does that at the end of the premier on state so we instantly goes all right but I'm going to kind of recover we met this morning this is how I can become a bit famous and then there's a separate committee footage after that recess and Hey look his tone hearing at late night screenings of the room with people ready into interacting with surprise party of Hollywood melodramas the end of the film we get a Tommy here at least we are being prompted to sympathize with and since this is somebody who scripted the room which is once intensely misogynistic several different things of physics that is barely losing to Enzo structures yeah it's the fact that Ansett lives %HESITATION south as being misogynistic and hiatus I factor says people in general but it's implied that five chances to bat into the film but you don't get much evidence that he's here he's written this character who is essentially have the all American hero Peterson catha he's an awful human being I mean he really thinks he's here because he plays and he is still American hero I saw that city wants the baby doesn't realize that you don't get to be that if you treat people like utter crap and of course the big part at the end so they come to me that's a huge compassion because this is something it takes quite a few years to build up I thought because he really was very serious about it I mean he pays for the film to be caps on for two weeks even though nobody was going to say it so that it would qualify for the academy award nominations that's not all what you J. F. your film is a pirate day he really thought it was gonna be this greats Tennessee Williams type drama he really believed it was that he thought he was more effective and street car the firm pointed heavily into this car has delusions of being Brando and James Dean but it for what it did is it said these are people who are trying to start the Hollywood acting so they've just got really into the way in which Hollywood actors of the pasta have done certain things those specific types of character as well the rebels there to cause and Brando's character suddenly and shake her name desire he's an awful character he's a rapist and abuser but he says steamy hawks immigrants money %HESITATION %HESITATION born of immigrants Dan A. as while in your late teens and early so is modeling himself on the New York Yankees specifically but none of the guns of course even though he's clearly from another planet well I suppose but since it comes our way Stanley says I'm from Poland yeah he's he's I think he's first generation and he gets three had a book by a lot of xenophobic attacks on him people call him Pulak and things like that he gets really angry about the subsidies the prototype for the angry young man and then of course team staying ahead of my nieces hangry young man those are what people are looking back city and the the Hollywood is all she after I nine three of nine so just today should invest in this stage we certainly an RD new millennium it's just that tired narrative but did Johnny character has no reason to be well he's not really an angry young man and he's not your mother's Holly thinks you know Easter that's the problem but what you're clearly at least twenty five years older than what you can to pay it's a bit disturbing plus the holes and the fall as well there's no characterization they're all just the stock things saying words that all characters this is one of the server will come see strikingly seeing the room which is the way she was awestruck this it's really endearing because the conversations authorities in comparison to the conversation written it's great it's meaty it's warm there's lots of people reacting to things you really need you need to speak during all acting when the reacting to things he people actually experiencing believable emotions I noticed that the disaster assistance it's a great sister and it's about maturing as a person and really one of my situation %HESITATION insists that he still separation %HESITATION for this and by the time it comes to the whole experience of making the return the starting index of a salesman and a small fish in the sun for some stories in it as a main character's name things someone listened your business whole phaser and he now has much more confidence and stage presence that we have at the beginning so bye bye kind of maturation nonetheless remains you're right a rather naive why are you telling okay thank you a soul because it's very easy to say feel sorry for him to empathize with him for that character Graig as he's played by Dave Franco Tucci have an Arab victimhood it's because this relationship is scary the sieve it's a very controlling friendship but he's some basis in the sense I think yes he probably is genuinely naive at the start make it swept along by this guy he's nineteen when he'd be seventy thousand spies that expensive car Bennett and the stream of money by the ability to just go to LA on a whim and don't have to study and work hard and make the connections of the scratch in San Francisco as his mom is very rightly advising him to stay in the field but I think by the end of the decade who's really the exposure here because Greg Sestero is the one who set it up writing this specific case had dismay finance out of the adaptation of topic he's making money off this guy he seems to have business sulfate feels like he could have had some more conventional acting career and the family service I don't know if there's any truth in that but Bryan Cranston does a cameo as himself because Greg's girlfriend happens to know him make a bid to hand and Greg is saying no we can't go near him become both %HESITATION him it he's too famous and she thinks it's Brian from Palade sets go say hi to her he saw Malcolm in the middle guy he's Brian from the plot is because he's a normal human being like the rest of us pickups have a break for he tries to be it wouldn't surprise me if that was tray because anytime I hear Franco centerpieces made of course all actors have pursued mine things but he seems to be a genuinely nice guy that he does seem to be keen on that sort of thing so I wouldn't put it past him but I don't know if it's true or not there's not a bill that that hits two words will he could have had a career he could give me that he could have at least been a decent actor %HESITATION on his own terms but it's been activated by Toby Antony going his coworkers but there's probably a point at which he thinks whatever happens with this I can turn this around of a fever and I think there's a hint about the film because it isn't Toby's idea and the felt that %HESITATION this is actually great aren't ready well if you just re Freeman at bat it's correct %HESITATION point so right to have taken them back at home but soon joined themselves you've got a whole seleccionar here and they're rolling in the aisles when she ever got this film is really popular we can actually make something with it and of course this is a compressed version of what happens in life it takes years for it to get that momentum but there's an implication three fell on it be interesting to see if it matches in the back it could be spent it could be traced because we probably would never know the kind of kid because they should between the two of them to spend it like this is wild that it actually is coming from him it's his idea he's the one who makes it into a money spinner so I'm not buying that in the same yeah I mean I must distinguish between the fictional Greg Sestero is also assists the firm and the real life existed writer who sold the film well I think it's selling who assigns the film rights to point break pictures which suffragans production company in twenty fourteen with it being Seth Rogan James Franco kind of scale we can expect this to of being any list of five figure sum maybe six total production budget ten million %HESITATION worldwide gross just under thirty million dollars that kind of scale from a something that's earned greatest terracing of income and it may be that what was going on the very end of the film was with Tommy realizing a way to capitalize this after congressman from was actually kind of encouraged reference to weigh that Greg Sestero figure out a way of compromising the concourse of the some three point in the book yeah this was %HESITATION I'm thinking any major conflicts the star must've come through for months from the book but of course the sales of the book itself yeah that's SO sellable that serial marketing James but even not the fifth day of the character in the film I'm not crying because it's free M. as him trying to to sell it for his birthday he seems to have actually spoken to for quite a few years at that point because there's outline Thomas's why you do this for me something like that and it's broken English it sort of makes him almost somewhere I don't know if he breaks character for movement told me is totally breaking character because it just implies that he's aware that he's been in order shambles of a human being so this guy is supposed to be friends with because he asked so why do this nice thing for me why this idea in my head actually this is really positive crisis will because her friends spend IT still suspect or something more cynical going on even in a box packaging of all this is a friendship but they may face but then I'm more cynical person would like I was internally taking by Dave Franco going my character is things ARE young very nice and was totally clueless about what's going on right and %HESITATION point when the pressure is survived by the builder precious and much during the filming of the room and this fiction that's interesting all these body safe manta style that they've made quite a few films together that are just disposed to friends messing about eight fifty year Franco listen Seth Rogan and and chips after the tone but the parade of difficult I don't think so something like that he said there is also a producer so you've got this kind of flat it's very good piles readiness saying it and then make a really tight maybe immediate service the disaster artist I think it's a really solid fellow but of course it has problems says through in character as city pay yesterday's tractor token from Bonhams the scripts %HESITATION yes of course yeah he's the script supervisor but he takes over the directions sometimes swim in the sea sertoli supposed to paint job ready so it's quite a lot of phone books he's saying this they kind of get presented a space feminist warrior sometimes because they stand up for the actress he's getting abuse by with %HESITATION on sat but I'd love to know how to trade that is if everybody actually relates to her rescue and yet the actress I can't remember the actress's name from the ram or the actress who played her in the room it was Juliet Daniels who played Lisa in disastrous it was great he played Juliet Daniels running he said okay we don't know how you treat a six hour he's yelling all these awful things for her body and her skin Cisco saying of course he's walking the talk she's saying it's okay I'm fine everybody have fun they can do the same critics say naked they left the gearing up to date one of the many things for her at the fellow who other really graphic the graphic in a way that of course privileges way so well it's implied that that's what it says is a MasterCard effect his Bob fills the screen basically during the several sex scenes in the room we do get to see a lot of leases oops so love Juliet Dunn was big but very little else and her body was we see basically everything except Tommy reserves business it's gonna be something where they decided to pick up a roster of this course that you've got that other layer of well it's James Franco's body that's on display and then quite a lengthy saying where he's acting as with so and he's actually horribly because of such a tight race is so abusive to so many people there and he was alive because sat so she can have some privacy all the other man we're trying to fight for her daughter and she's saying no it's fine I mean I could Davis he's going on such as Tyree is on all he's wearing as a kind of socks laying over his gentleman parked but it seems fine considering that this is very lightering then because James Franco even at the AG's out night I would say confidently is younger it of late so was banned and work site and what should we say he's pretty buff no that was it doesn't but I don't think he's got the body that from %HESITATION has not listening at all wrong with anybody's body and not saying that it's just a tiny flattering if they could James Franco is going to play a reckon there was a bit of a body transformation going on two stages by Frank %HESITATION the first was get ready to go and face somehow maybe my makeup we got quite a good face that's gone but it's quite chunky so I think that there is a static signage takes and the second was broke up at a certain point I think it's when they're trying to get a job and this is certainly physically changed quite a lot of things that is not quite know what to do as a trouble for most of these periods of changing body tell me comes off in this film as a little bit James Franco and this demonstrates a little something about how strong personal work as a landing back and forth of bits of starters and six regulars has to go into pretending to tell me who already has a little bit of a stop sign and handful of public appearances has to risk taking on a bit of timing was I stopped us and I think that might be why they had the run of the enigmatic post credit sequences which is why you've gone James Franco playing Tommy active policy I'm Tony as he was in about two thousand four meet Tommy as he is now with short hair basically looking like front page and then tell me real to me and James Franco Tommy having this conversation where it kind of reminded me of Stephen Douglas took into both do different age of the same old it's the this is me when I was twenty two which is around forty thing so it looks like not by far possible like one test and two different ages separated by about ten years having a composition is %HESITATION something that was a kind of we want to show you in the still post credits sequence that Tommy as imagined by James Franco is north actually Tommy as an exists in real life and remain next month well it's a freckle faced girl so this is very much James Franco's may face plant is brother is Dave Franco was excellent that's right and any way you could radio they have brothers playing those parts because there and to vent a quite a I don't even know how to put it the other cooks away at all the steps to further into something a bit more sinister than it actually is but it never quite does it you know it should be six to eight points there's so much emotional manipulation going on FX Greg fly seems like he's had this for a nice relationship that's broken down in because of his friendship with Tommy but I can't sorry certainly the cat and when I say anything's referring to characters in this film the disaster artist because I don't do the trick so I don't know he do Citrix rarely have not convinced that the fed could even tell us trace I've referred to characters for them talking with these people yeah I sort of feel to feel sorry for him because it's one of those things where it's easy to disable you should get artifacts toxic clearly but I don't think it's that he feels obliged I think it's that he thinks I think I can make really either this guy he's like to get from the initial take of their lying there with right by this character the real graphic that somebody suspicion sevens in the form of Thomas's let's just do this thing about several things the greatest okay and it's a mixture of you know what I need to be more confident unanswered questions the wind with small changes to make a bit of money without me having to do all the effort yeah exactly what discuss curtails I was gonna say that this from the dean's bricks there are a lot more than evidence Tommy photos we didn't tell me to extend my stay doesn't redeem Greg Sestero entirely if that's something that the regular register approved office press or say I wasn't a victim of this whole process I think it's interesting though I mean I don't think it's obvious this is just me being very cynical of me and I'm angry feminists probably bringing up perspective then how many times have you seen mediocre privileged man getting away with nonsense and awful things awful behavior and still be really successful life how many women have they traveled on the way home many decent people of all kinds of the trouble on the on the way and they still do really well absolutely you don't want people to do well it's just they seem like awful people so it's just about I think it's boring yeah I just get tired of saying it sometimes it feels like a sea of the narrative right there and you know what style and it's frustrating which is why it I feel the vibe but can be trying myself by even bigger podcast but I think we need to send the cycling of cooperatives but that's not quite right either it just feels like this needs to stop being greedy how tired the whole wizard as a result of the concrete success of the room with cult audiences got an income which I think from DVD sales ultimately actually recoup the costs of the film and it does grave celebrity based on things like appearance is obviously not screen yeah I'm cameos in view of the thing doesn't result disaster artist he gets on stage at the golden globes although if Jerry Springer I mean I was so divided about him doing when Tommy looked like he was going to go up because it's going to James Franco's invitation but like when he was just about to walk up and actually say something into the microphone James Franco just won on in thank you stop them from getting that much seventy seven time is up on stage to converse with business to get to speak to my friend nonetheless this liberty and then he appeared on the handful of churches around so I was out with doctor assist Thomas become famous to an extent which is roughly equivalent to what he was often anyway that's one always route you have to be good at something on the side of the scale that is very good at being a very wealthy mediocre guy he throws leroy and part of the appeal is that he's mysterious he means he insists the seriousness because he won't tell anybody where he's from where the accent comes from he won't reveal where the money has come from the wealth that he has a high heels all these different places all of her nobody knows I think whether you don't he's even as American citizens an air of mystery as part of the fun of the persona around him one hundred percent to to assist somebody who plans information without a clear he's not afraid of a character creating a relatively you can hear an unaffected and memorable public stop ascent not sure how much we'll talk about some of the specific plot points and is our strongest episode it failed okay now we're going to show you how they shop this so seeing about a city it's pretty correct as well it just so long as this is what is this another thirty nine minutes which is pretty full for instance because of all the contemporary PS quite economic I think it's a film but it seems like it's the entire cooler off the set of the sheets for the room because it feels like right this is sufficient for making it feels like everybody knows exactly what they're doing I need probably hopefully calls every takes about films needed to pick off money to cope with it but it does have its limits still on the industry may face it was an awful C. R. hi cinemas it needs to be fairly economical and it's got fairly tight shooting schedule everybody needs to know their lines they need to turn up they need to know today need to be prepared so feels like it's a film that would follow her so specially for the Franco brothers and a quick look at the shooting durations for both phones and the design process seems to have taken less time sheets that the readers but there's also this makes the point that it's a forty day shoot yeah it does this on screen titles that go day four of forty unethical point it's up something like thirty fifty four of many value there was plenty of staff including a kind of extra serving of company value that you get just for the credits where we can't show them shot for shot remake of small bits of certain scenes on the implication is that these were made and I was part of the making of this film but actually this is something you do separately as far as trying get that precisely the same so I doubt that they were going okay we just finished that seem about the making of that scene sometime just keep everyone on the same route and actually then make the scene as a complete remake of the bit from Memphis I give serve several purposes because they probably plans that quite early on that they would have thought that the credit sequence yeah the side by side comparisons but that also of course it probably would help the actors get into their characters and their characters get into their car gets a bit conceptually well I think this is part of the appeal of this is that we were just looking through a menu of movies that we have access to the latest version free %HESITATION the one that jumped out was he's a movie about a movie I think it's counting schedule you're not going to well that's the same familiar he said heard it's there's a lot of striking similarities with Tim Burton's Edward it's anarchy and it's very similar and that you've got really charismatic actor Johnny Depp playing someone in real life it was just a horrendous human being and make some really sweet and vulnerable I love both but actually the real ad which was an abuser again similarly he's one of the worst film makers full time and yet he's this really abusive awful human being use actually pretty horrible to people the availability that way so at least in the disaster artist Stevie sickness does come across it still became semi thanksgiving stuffing of snow already okay but you understand why they've done it because they need to get the baby away and he's a pretty great too it's going to be about ski if any of you think that there's parts where he's being very the horrendous stuff he's getting all his points across so if he's watching what he's thinking well yeah of course I agree with myself that's exactly my attitude so of course I relate to this film gets made it will always happen to be able to say that well anybody with a shade of teeth as he would go he isn't awful example of human lives in a forest and read at no point does that actually PNC business very sweet lovable unfortunate passionate cinephile the Maldives awestruck this morning espouses a couple of raw the awful humans become slightly less well for humans and that's our twenty first century thing is yeah having tons of elements but it's not like people and up is actually good to people send up a slightly better people than they were before Seth Rogan really quite a brilliant actor he can think yeah the right roles I mean this is a great role for him he just sat through good fellow I am struck all of that he was faster okay great I think he's really good as a voice actor as well was there any particular set pieces that you had in mind I was Josh this is that what you said %HESITATION Hutchinson Hutchison with the faceplate darkly ten thirty he's playing the guy who plays Danny and Daddy supposed to be about fifteen items for his relationship with any of these people why he just comes into their Haris and gets into bed with them and stuff he seems to be this really sweet casually don't throw a fifteen year old boy you could ever ask the way that he does but anyway Josh Hutcherson thing then okay I don't know he pays them playing we'll give those names like the little fella rather sinister guy please Danny in the rooms could Philip held them in a safe haven there is a moment where he's he hi all this is scary hello I do like fifteen twenty six maybe that was a kind of reference to Dave Franco playing paid late teens Greg Sestero Wednesday I'm sorry this is a very holy thing as well is that you've got a lot of twenty and thirty year olds I mean to win the choir was spent Thursday when he was playing Peter Parker who is so skilled and her Spiderman one of the sensing that is quite funny was when they had done you know but if it is going what is that yeah yeah that is and it's a really good yeah lows it's really nice cameos the thought he wasn't home loans going sisters mom is making a lot of other races this upscale hopes burger is the single things the first thing they were shooting in it I don't think it was the same which as they shouted and up in the phone they kind of did it in the alleyway and decided to lie to me yeah she's on the rooftop the rooftop with the CGT they have a discussion in the film as well where they're like this is just that replication of Hollywood it's factually right inside this building she we don't just go outside and use the daylight for light this move properly you'd maybe we did in the years the hall the way I look at just the details and then there's this really hot this year turning up late every day but you will provide water for anybody and that our fans saying Seth Rogan %HESITATION subscription provider just takes over basically meet needs one day because it gets so far of study to may have seen the rifftrax thing really fairly reckons great really noticed any CG graves screen type backdrops the card to me the production value of the rain seems to be ready for her even though and the saucer to search the implication that they hired the bass actually the thoughts the best possible film and digital video equipment yeah it's a really hurricane Katrina production I mean I suppose one of things is astrophysicist pointing out is if you would like a phone just get the cheapest sort of professional camera you can get get a professional camera that's actually in the prosumer bonds it's just a bit higher than the highest and consumer can get a small group of people and go out and do it in your own spare time without a studio do it in the streets shoestring under much better as long as you understand existing structures tension camera movement relative to actions and you perhaps everything can do all that and you make a good film yeah all right so making films and now we need to go into the studio to make sense of this thing and I need to have everyone saying we still kids can shades dialogue that reached the wrong route to go about making a front that produces an awful this firm the space of meta Cinemark does make an impressive recommendation about how to make it sound if you see in the room it's quite clear that it's absurd that one would make this film about San Francisco mostly in a studio in Los Angeles but because you don't need to go up to San Francisco to do today and exterior and a copy of the list so I can park yeah so these shops that market is something Cisco teacher by doing this anyway one of just making much less money that's gonna buy the cameras as well because they have to that's one thing that's not particularly expensive thought access so if the Mideast %HESITATION object saying it's not a fight what's practical it's a fight I'm gonna show off as much as million wealth as possible my favorite set piece was that first day of filming and they do the scene where Chris saw played by some people for some place in the room by Dan Janji and I'm done Jan J. N. played by Zach ephrin the the post office and it took me a moment to Zac Efron okay phone plan describe downplaying Chris %HESITATION does a fantastic performance as a really brutal thank you have a lot of fun with it I'm still a specific job Turner something is great %HESITATION performance and tell me in the background just going crazy in and he keeps walking into the shots he keeps calling count only Hoffa second offer of one given that acting and so he simply because trusting messing chopped up he says this proposed thing goes and hugs is going his way and he's asked about somebody who can do an intense performance networks because that's one of the masters he's gone seemingly felonies he's got about how you act is just actually intensely Willis silent moment quite early on in the Java class where the teacher Sean against somebody who can give her summary of the motion of the states and he goes up and he just does the Stella yelling from streetcar named desire under really overly homes set up alerts the aces for Craig is first tractors to hand him a bility to be so raw and so new computer don't carry that even he thinks of them he doesn't is a sign out talented but just to be able to be there often to people who don't care it's all rated as the it's just Charlie one of them so I'm very faith probably targeted at the client's file template is substance abuse so do are they uploaded funders Spangler correct to stay firmly in the mail from your dates and so it's all related back to Stella all of us so he thinks the talks that acting is not something that could be your answer to the face certain three texture S. yelling get spake basements it's the epitome of monthly this X. taking up the whole of physical and some of the space with your body with yourself with your noise so he plays good dramatic acting to pay so he's expecting one hello everyone I had never tested himself Greg have to go and tell him through the full if you take the fall through that he still doesn't have such a lacklustre way to the part where he's I didn't know it %HESITATION I didn't know whether if you come even chocolate when it says turn today because is my second favorite one by one I left was the as I can from character here's the drug dealer really going up the jobs such as character Danny is just this six fifteen sixteen zero point and the actors really getting into the physical confrontations such that your such scenes character he was playing Danny is just terrifying factor yeah this is different mascot in the segment favorite one is the I did not hit her same because they have they have everyone else on the sets because this is getting complicated and to say the name of the axes as well as the people who they play having Cessford construction scored sandy Schreier having Bergen's character sandy repeating the piece of dialogue as he stands over the script again and again Germany's line okay the hookers instituting these episodic I did not have it's not true it's bullshit I did not hit her I did not oh hi mark this is doing it again and again and again and messing it up again and again the young person who gets it right he says it directly into the camera and it's really hot and then Greg has an empty water bottles and he takes it over to him and just says you're always telling me to pay emotion that is emotionally he's motion he's like oh I didn't even buy me enough performer since Greg sold by he's got no direction than those of the bottle there it takes sixty seven something like that and it's one of those departments as a distraction because of that he gets it right %HESITATION doesn't look at the camera and that's good enough for every in celebration Sunday thank okay that's good so go for we will be here all night that's go with silence because this is in the room some of the points where you can what what what what and what the flagship there's so many questions that you are %HESITATION this is by the way as always okay so in the previous season he was looking in that direction but in this scene I just think it's there so they they Kerry how did you feel already logged on this one this is what the question is does the opposite it why is that the he's angry he's younger he's under why does that happen what happens because the very first time we got it right was after an hour of trying to get it right and the creatures from fund yet that's not shut down which is good for everyone and no one said that was awful keep doing it again and again that might be a complete mess but I I love an explanation yeah there's no change in the Pacific coast it works anyway does it called like central moment of course that was a big selling point for the disaster artist that was a central point of the trailer one moment but so many other moments similar to it I mean there's the backfire Jody is absent but stuff within the center east talking to mark appointed him marks telling him the story of it somebody he wants nearly hit all these boyfriends %HESITATION to Joni character Tommy as Johnny just last ha ha that's a great story mark and he's really not getting the he's been horrific a misogynist but the awful thing that has been described to have a fight is completely fictional fiction perfection perfection of persons to try and help him identify Smith makes sense and just the way the plates to the indictments of Tommy there was some these going it's not a funny story it makes you sound horrible and laughing at the store about somebody getting beaten up so let's just try you with the next day you're not laughing at the story and then him just doing it again exactly seven years on the earth he was going to get you hooked but you don't five months I've got lots of explaining why instances in the film are we if that's part of the redemption of timing because with the I did not hit her but the reasoning I think it's like sexism takes effect the first one he gets right is just because he's not done this before and service degree degree in about %HESITATION I I work at the store and suddenly there's lights in this camera and those people I haven't done this kind of you go when you transaction acting before so this is a forgiving service explained although there's also lots of isn't it funny that this guy can be so concentrated that for so long they stick around to me he's really abusive to them in the fire somebody will point and then the guy and some don't leaving and you think well you're all hanging your own because you getting a lot of money from this guy even there's not seen with Sunday caching is Jack other expecting it to the lines and the Tyler tells him this is a gold mine the same uses and and was head of Molly you're good to go back to their old cashing their checks they've all got steady work for awhile with this guy so they're injuring it because they're getting paid it's quite a subtle moments this is my cell for the senior file consisting of spider really nicely in the picture that world from that moment the kids the teller and I really recognize him from somewhere sure he was talking about being in this maze eight pieces because sending internally since the period film nocturnal animals it was a really nice company movement that was cleaned up all that stuff but the information that it was that this fella physical exam these people here all these precarious fixed term renounce modes of employment they're not used to getting paid that while that often for that long so they're taking a taxpayer jeering him that they're taking instantly from the actress who plays pieces mom pictures he placed the actress yeah this is months shows a scene she points out that she comes to do this you know it's really unpleasant and it takes a long time to drive the just because I need every working is better than anything K. exactly the heartbreaking at that business so she has some really nice moments where she's playing this woman I cannot understand why she's even info because you've got that favorite singer right the mother character has a stake heartfelt conversations really badly done %HESITATION she explains all the tests to come back and I heard press considered everything's awful nobody cares about me the actress is wondering what do you call this fun the Vermeer they have several shots of okay even mentions of the mum have been skating about is because he's yes it's great which it's funny yeah that's going to bridge tomorrow has no corresponding pay off she's the character if he insists that because it's too hot she's wearing a jacket and everything and all told I can say is wiser fiesta kicked out because just one sliding %HESITATION smokers to house because she told her she's like five years older than him you have a sense of the way men coming to injure tolerates to be quite a high degree of behavior that provisional and specifically the phone should familiarize them and even with a vendor selling out for them they don't think it already %HESITATION she saw the film style so they get over the sale of flying you know love to sit to see some water you just need sooner or later I can do that yes I can get through the scene again it's just a very subtle reference to walk women have had to go through so much of that has come within the past year nobody involved at some point they could have known that far ahead that all of the stories that wind speed and everything else and I'm not going to break we're learning more and more about what women have had to be signed up thoroughly what they face the silence for me so the kinds of behaviors that they have the address is the tip of the iceberg anything where there's been an insurance to do the job I love you have to take a really awful characters characters that are very one dimensional there are body sitting there saying lines similarly the character most treatment plan the facts and getting less pay than anybody else Charlotte take something they really know if there's movements in there that are indicative of that this is a film by a bunch of boys it's fine we seem to take up change the driver various mistreatment of women in this industry although a very mild level in the disastrous thing the roster of carriers was real invocation of how many people worked into the idea of a at the very least you have to find out there's a film about any cockroaches from because we got a good for five or six big stars are happy to do small roles so he took seventy headed towards this earlier as well as that whole leveraged loves telling stories of itself even if they're negative that loves telling get some stories about its past sins that Boulevard Edwards chocolate loves telling itself it's a mystery most of the models its ability to maximize everything you can one of the things that might be quite difficult not to voice is the massive industrious for your phone and can not play roles of its leaves the house again interestingly when you when you look up the room on the seventh day space under people who like this also like it puts Bernadette medic two and best friends volume one twenty seventeen they you know and that is partly because of fresh tracks this is a bakery struck some of the rules generally didn't feel free yeah but they've all been done recently sharks the name of the man live shows so that J. one of the things that I think was a complete course of touch was when they recreated each if the same by show even one point seemingly using exactly the same location so it somehow managed to get hold of these buildings to do some of these and the costumes of residents because of when they were doing things they seem to have Justin makeup hair and basic demeanor everyone was caricaturist the person who they were playing the real life person doing acting who they're playing so those bits wrath they shall speak to Mrs Williams came the same time police in the ring she was trying to be quite seriously occuring lines in certain ways researchers going for this person's issue saying this what is in the disaster artist version it was only deliberately yeah with having this turned up to eleven and of course the big one was in the I did not but they say the exit almost exactly the same time but the one bit when it becomes out of sync is that the James Franco or Tommy says I did not hit her I was not sure it is very shit I did not hit her I did not %HESITATION and you know it makes it too long because the original time one is something that I did not but it's just those really long cranky files that define because obviously using for community yeah in spite of that we're gonna put two friends next to each other and show you how closely replicated the original well they're doing is they're going to observe the tiny differences and how would they make this into a center on Saturday when I was watching the room earlier this year at the point when the third sexy stuff inside of offer them I thought okay three sex scenes thirty minutes I reckon this is a parody I think it might just be able to make the claim that this is a parody or satire but then it stopped doing that and lots of new story and it's going to do sports seem to discover well if this was a parody or satire that's over with in the first half an hour we decided to work on border that serve there was just a moment I thought you might be trying to exaggerate in imitations or sometimes they want something but I can't see any aspects of the room which justifies regarding it as a deliberate parody or satire worries there are so many very clear evidence for the disaster assistance to make that abundantly to implicitly acres sorry tell me this is how you do and it does it kind of refuses tell me protected by going Hey look tell me really did think he was doing it seriously you name came up with the Hey yeah that was a bit of a discount if you just watched unicameral after the fact it doesn't permit him to do that and there's not so you're completely made this for Thursday so there is a small price for timing was there to pay better is that as far as anyone sees the disastrous justice contend they can occur for the study let me take a look at the unit these claims about the really no magistrate I think that's a good point actually is is comparisons because any particular side of the credit sequence then you can have two years of the disaster artist who will never watch the ventilating removes or re creations to the latter yeah you could think that all could have been serious and focused on the file so I think that's probably an important point actually I was just thinking there's celebrate the screening because it is a massive compression of quite a few years versus bells up two words to fund them he is a sort of cult status that the ram ends up getting prisoner by eve that I thought intense discomfort on the part where because still remain as wife Joanie shooting and stuff in the hands and the names of particularly the sick of this world the Texas quite drastically your purchases come from nowhere but in the screen and it helped us crawl H. indifferent say yelling do it do it do it and just so you know pulling it's encouraging even fake known real person a caricature there's nothing that says okay we really hope that doesn't actually happen and those carrying the screenings are particular yelling did you kill yourself phone coming in having them experience the room and having been a Marxist knowing one's participation screening process amongst a bunch of other people I'm done a lot okay that was laughing however his low point of agreement with the north side of the road having all sorts of disastrous is all that remains to do is to go to one of the funniest I'm just that they do something constructive the model as far as is the Rocky Horror Picture Show one struggling along with it though %HESITATION you'll see nothing in fame when they go to Rocky Horror Picture Show and everyone is that screening is following a script yeah in what they shop at the screen Hey that's the model for what to do every time you see a framed photographs there's one in the house have to throw plastic spoons that kind of prescription is only came up with that script Campbell county most of my discipline someone came up with at that point when Johnny spot to kill himself everyone shall do it Thursday that would be quite helpful yeah we we get the impression that people who do the stock was sold doing stuff like hot today couldn't possibly be doing things such as it sure could be doing other things genuinely helpful but I think it's important to distinguish I mean if you watch the ram and you want something it is laughable because it's so badly done but it's not that you're laughing it but the idea that you would actually be wanting anyone even a character as horrendous as Johnny channeling Tommy to be wanting them and themselves to say so you know that wasn't set right with me and I don't know if they it's free and as the spontaneously happened for the first twenty minutes because like I scored on here they come to the state premier but it's quite good I say and then this phone is just war and then they start to laugh at it and it shows even the actors laughing at it but you've got a really horrendous but swear the character from the series this is Julia he's paying any set her character is good it's still going on the sex scenes the mortifying but then something turns on the audience starts to laugh along with heather rolling upright tend to come to their staying where it is just a moment that I thought was a bit off well I think we need to do is gather some instantly if the sort of Tory I'm going oh my god what have I Manny's after an awful film things really bad and then Greg has to turn around and god knows you can make something good out of this you get back in there so has to be a kind of really horrible low point for tell me and then there's got to be this soaring moment of triumph so that's one way of making that low point a really low point is to have the audience before the court fish's interacting with it and so I haven't been part of an audience of only about half a dozen people pushing this from the us laughing at it it starts really small then it became something we were doing kind of by common consent towards the end of the month of kind people looking around again offices laughing I'm not the only one so what compels and also like to try and see what it's like doing an audience three hundred people I mean the the survey but I don't want to give him any money I have only one stuff because we can't access it for free this is for sure I'm not sure if there's much else really to say which is one of the register that there's an issue we love our listeners to consider and to let you know about if they have strong opinions which is should one even be watching for money for the purposes of discussing it either formally or informally something went the person who made it is someone whose pockets you don't put money into my kind of center parties you can arm yourself against bad ideas by immersing yourself in them temporarily and if you can get the word out there that this is a really bad idea you can do something to stop the idea from having traction by arming of the people to notice that a bad idea is a bad idea and in a complex chief about ideas that is the room is something that people should have the opportunity to equip themselves to deal with and if that means putting a bit of money and Tony was as pocket at the same time as everyone becoming just that little bit back to %HESITATION looking the kind of ideas he espouses in the online going none of those are wrong I think giving him a little bit more money is the lesser of two evils but it's also when you say it sounds less intervals is wife admitting that it's an evil I'm at a point where I'd rather just spend the time and energy and resources into publishing more deserving things so I think it's useful to have these discussions but I think it's probably a turning point for me and I think the sorts of things I mean I would prefer and then podcast anyway to be incorrect rather than the norm because I think I really want to stare at two words Nassar privilege things to give them a platform it was instant actually at the creation of some possible symposium in talking to certain people and certainly talking with me see techno point Morris I'll say and %HESITATION I look at him and it's because he stole for shotguns by other British to %HESITATION actors that were his contemporaries are coming on just after him such as hedge coke we don't need any more pixelated coax Phil Burke doesn't need our help you know lotus we enjoyed watching ready player one he doesn't need us giving them a platform but there are people out there whose great work could you spot for really really want to try and use it to explore this lesser known areas because they're no less legitimate than the big things in the big things have enough of his share of the spotlight they don't really need any more help so I think that's kind of where I'm not at the moment yeah let it be noted for the record that this was a podcast about the disastrous it's been about the room that night do you I've ever actually paid to see the rain yeah well here we have lots of entirely new because they have the stress reports the pieces relatively mainstream masses cinema it was a bit of a Franco Franco thing and it's a fine co correct saying a silent for the lads I don't think he's an entirely innocent party and stuff either in fact I think he may have have complications against him the file but I have no idea what's going on because I'm entirely lost track it's just so overwhelming you can keep reading all the stuff anymore which is fine this could see that he still has both phones a day forty hours destroying you read it or something station hello the teller funder forty seven is thought stabbing numbers into and by the time he got stuck in the correct code is on the roof sloping title twenty seven oh my goodness yeah we're talking about Danny Boyle's twenty ten so %HESITATION but I don't I don't notice in the Kenya extract can you really call %HESITATION so if you get stuck but really horrible if you wanted to work with what should we take to thank you so much for listening particularly if you do you stick with this for me take abit soleil tremendous thanks to PJ on supporters say it makes a huge difference please do share thanks to the podcast and website on social media it's really helping others find the work and I'm still working on trying to get it out there more broadly bye for night and catch the next time