Audiovisual Cultures 119 – Maysville

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Paula Blair speaks to writer and director Leslie Goyette and producer Michele Englehart about their film Maysville (2021). In our conversation you’ll learn about their 3-year journey from script to finished film, their experience with crowdfunding and the kindness of communities, and the sheer tenacity it takes to achieve a goal you really believe in. This is an enjoyable and illuminating conversation which I hope you’ll get something out of and share.

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Recorded with Zoom on 4 May 2022. Access Behind the Scenes recordings on Patreon.

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though you’re very welcome to you RT of facial cultures the podcast that explores different areas of film the arts and media I’m Paul up there and in this episode I talk to the writer and director let’s see cognacs and producer Michelle Engelhard’s abate their film maze filled which is available on various streaming sites as well as on DVD and Blu ray and the U. S. you’ll find useful links in the show notes and everything else you’ll need audio visual cultures dot com a big thank you to our patrons at Petri on dot com forward slash AP cultures his generosity is funding our websites and thanks as well to you heather pony read he replied on Instagram and I posted about yes more computer bows as it seems we have the same laptop and heather says I recently discovered your podcast and it’s great I’m really glad you’re enjoying it has their hands thank you and everyone else for investing in for engaging with us wherever you do that so in today’s discussion we skirted around Paul details for the film may you spell but I think that it’s fine for me to say that it is a tragic family ands coming of age periods drama set in depression era of the ship if you’re not aware of it it’s a real might necessary it in the United States Leslie and Michelle take history quite a lot of the production details including importantly their experience with crowdfunding and simply asking for things that you told people what they needed and they made a film that looks a lot more expensive than a speaker because of the kindness of the community stay were working with and I think that’s really pertinent for me because I was living in Newcastle upon Tyne has taught me shy bairns get nights you know if you don’t ask you don’t get let’s see Michelle really show you why it’s important to just go for it to just tell people like this is what we needs today that S. what do you think what can you do with a mention some difficult topics around death poverty and abusive behavior but there’s also a lot of joy and hope the restore some faith in humanity and both the story of may spell on the Siri if making maze spell they may face so it really hope you enjoy this one it was it was just a really great conversation and it was a real joy to meet lastly and Michelle as well they’re they’re welcome back anytime so hope you get a lottery if it nine I know I certainly did let’s see go yes and Michelle Banco hearts thank you so much for joining me on audio visual cultures we’re going to discuss your independent film maze spell that’s just so exciting but this first of all if it’s okay could I ask each of you C. NG sure selves to bet on C. six billion the roles each if you had in the film if we start with Leslie is out all right now I’m amazed to Michelle my name’s Leslie yeah I was the writer and one of the producers and the director for the town I am amazing partner Michelle yes my name is Michelle it’ll hurt I am %HESITATION producer and maze spell Celeste Lee and I teamed up to get the film made I know that getting the film made a toll was a huge achievement for both fifty and so we’ll try and learn a bit of bite that at any moment spent where did the story come from and why did you decide to tell it on film will talk but the story itself in a bad spot %HESITATION I just wondered what were the origins of the story first of all well the origins of the story it’s a coming of age story set in the nineteen twenties and that part of the United States called Appalachia Appalachia is a remote part of the United States it’s a very mountainous area it’s part of where I grew up so that part of the country it’s that poverty stricken area and I kind of wanted to tell a story about things that I had seen and things that I had witnessed and growing up in that area but I also want to take it back in time a little bit some of the characters are kinda loosely very loosely based on people that I had interacted with throughout my life heady and Willie that G. main characters early on in the film are are based on my sister and my relationship the closeness that we add the adventures that they have together things like that those are all things that I did as a child with my sister it’s not by any means autobiographical goodness it’s not autobiographical it’s based on you know the area where I grew up with and that’s where it came to me and why is hold on film was it the second part your question in Leslie can answer this better than me but I just want to say is a writer Leslie is a very visual writer when I first read the script I could picture every scene my mind like how it was going to beat it and she’s not a prolific writer is very you know not a lot of information but if the right amount of information for me to visualize really picture how how this would be films which I thought was unusual to do read a lot of scripts I think she’s a visual writer which lends itself to film and Sam and then it’s out what really attracted you to producing it that Michelle was just she wanted to visualize sought for Leslie well it will tell you the back story the city especially night we knew each other do we to have met on the set that are %HESITATION kids had done a commercial for probably eight years ago now while ago and kept in touch via social media Facebook she lives in Portland which is about three hours from where I’m at in Seattle so just you know queen says over social media but one day she came to me and asked if I’d be she had watched a short film that I had put out on social media that my son had been in and she watched it and thought he would be perfect for the role of Willie for this script she wrote I didn’t know she was a writer and she had never previously shown anybody her scripts so she’s kind of like a closet raiders just she sent me the scripts and I started reading it and I’m not sure if you had time to watch the film but the set up of the film is with the boys you know their tweens the first fifteen minutes of the film you watch the set up and I read up to that point in the script and I was just like oh my god this is one of the best scripts I’ve read and I could just my heart I was totally engaged by page ten you know just sucked in and by like sixteen or something I text her I said oh my god is she said oh my god good %HESITATION oh my god dad because I was the first person to read the script and I said oh my god I just called her and I said this is so good this is just so good so that’s how I got selected I didn’t know maybe at that time that was her first script I didn’t know anything you know if she’s made any short films or anything she came up to Seattle we did a table read and then after the table read she said so I don’t know if this can just be a short film if we could do a feature length film but you know what you ladies we can get it done could you help me I’ve never done so before so I don’t know I I tell people I don’t usually believe in fate but there was I feel like there’s an element here why this all came together why I said yes I thought it was just crazy I’m more conservative than Leslie and you know don’t usually take risks like this and I just was a great time in my life and we kind of just figured it out together over the last three and half years it’s been kind of a crazy ride we’ve learned a ton a ton and I think we produce something pretty good for you know given what we %HESITATION the resources that we had a play into second let’s see do you want to add anything to Michelle stories there well yeah I think that I I I call myself a closet writer for many years I have so many scripts and short stories and so on and that I write but I’ve always felt that sharing your writing is like letting someone see ill make it you know nobody you just don’t want to do that and because it shows all your flaws it shows you know your inhibitions it shows everything in your writing and people can’t really judge you on your writing style even though I love to write I’ve never really shared by writing with anyone so it was a big step a big step for me to say Hey I’m going to share something with you and it was easier to share it with someone that I didn’t know really well then it was share share with someone who I intimately know or care a lot about because Michelle could have been honest with me does that make sense I’m Michelle had no nothing best and she could have hurt my feelings that thank you I think it’s a something for us right now but her response was authentic and genuine and she was very enthusiastic about the script and made me feel somewhat validated I guess all writers maybe need some kind of validation before they take the next step at least for me at it that’s a really important story to tell I think because there’s probably a lot of people like they’re like you you hear setting on work and they’re too scared to share it with anyone and that’s a really great story of where it can actually work I’d if you take that leap into the abyss so that’s really great for people to hear I hope hope hope you know art is the most important thing to me art most important thing in the world because it it brings joy right whatever form of art there is it brings joy and it sometimes being on her way to share your arch keeps people from sharing it you know and it may really resonate with someone hi tended to did you go from the the ID in the script Sakshi getting it into production because I know that you you went to in the crowd funding rates I’m sure there’s a big story behind that as well I think one of the smart moves we made as we carved out six months to see how much money we could race to see whether we could take on a feature length film funding wise or whether we just might have enough money to do what we feel would be to put forward a short film I think a lot of filmmakers at least one a lot of local indie filmmakers I know they don’t necessarily take that time may kind of wing it and try to do stuff and no money and I do think we did the right thing by taking that time and doing it and it it didn’t just raise the funds it helps spur our marketing right from the very beginning to start building your audience early is that some advice we got from another producer that I think is was well taken so you can the two can go hand in hand we did a big what we thought was a big crowd funding and indie gogo which was quite successful we more than made our goal and that inspired us to think that we had enough to meet your future phone which we actually end up doing we had to do a lot of asking because we didn’t have enough money to make a really good quality feature of the film is set back in the nineteen twenties so that’s another feat that’s quite hard to pull off as an indie filmmaker to make it at that tech looking to the nineteen twenties and more expensive right all the props and Senate locations and all that so in addition to %HESITATION you know raising the money we had to do a lot of asking of Hey can you volunteer to let us use your vintage car yeah we asked the town’s we found two historic towns next to each other for filming you know we had to ask you know their city council if we can use their public spaces they gave it to us for free just about all the locations were given to us for free to use the props antiques and even an old tractors the perfect old tractor we’re looking for the actually look new we found a steam train there’s a local steam train that actually still operates down there and we needed one for the film they gave us the use of that for free yeah I mean it was just almost ridiculous how much was just given to us just because we asked so the combination of raising what we thought was enough money in conjunction with just getting out there and asking people people are excited said make a film this was in two towns that are pretty not remote but there is not a lot going on down there and them and they are historic and I think that a lot of people in those towns that was really cool that it a film set back in the twenties is going to be made in their towns there’s a lot of get up and go a lot of good will down there that we found it we also did at dinner fundraiser down there to raise money that was the initial reason but it actually did a lot more than that it got that good will get the word out in the excitement out a lot of the Ted that people down there became extras in the film they’re really excited about that and some of them brought their own wardrobes and just got really into it even the fire chief the ad at the fire station helped us we didn’t have sixteen hundred dollars to rent a rain machine so he he brought fire track and hooked up the hose and we got one K. we got one shot on this one J. and he just prayed the hose in the air and got the rain to come down on the actors and their work we were so excited we had shot the scene twice already with no rain right well doesn’t work we’ll have our back up right yes so and and it was amazing just to see the community come together to try to make this project because when we were at the dinner we just had a captive audience we ask people were like this is what we need this is what we need this is what we need is what we need and by the time we were done with that dinner we had two people volunteer their farms to be burnt down and we were just kind of you know right away what we need to burn down the barn does anyone ever bark we can burn down yes you well in two years yeah we’re just jokingly asking to %HESITATION thing that we learned in all of this is that at the end of the day people want to help people thank you it’s just a lot of times people don’t want to ask for help the R. model began eighteen it became that power up the ass be authentic in your ask be truthful be honest let them know this is where I’m coming from I don’t have a budget where I can you know give you money the people were just %HESITATION one all and excited to be you know a part of it it’d be part of something creative that’s bigger than yourself I think that I would sign on if somebody asked me you know it anyway it’s it’s exciting to be part of something that so many people are involved in to actually put something on the big screen that could look really good they didn’t know asked they didn’t know we had no stars in the film you know no A. listers that are recognizable and murky but they totally bought into the story and the idea of making a film down there and the fact it was sent back in time I think it was a another big selling point can also tune into six story and I just feel like there’s a whole other side of this film as well it’s going to really beautiful story that can circulate with so I think that to get into more details but the film itself you know as indicated very clearly by the title the location is so important and as you’re saying it’s that community and I it’s great to hear such a positive story right the making of the film because I think the film itself deals is really very difficult and she’s and not so much of a community spirit going on if I’m picking up on that right so I was just wondering if you kids help flashlight a bit more for any listeners especially here in the U. K. you know we’re we’re fed a lot of sculpture from the U. S. but the specific location and after that time that you’re talking about most of us are going to know absolutely nothing about that so if it’s okay could you just help flesh out a bit more forests to depression era I it’s very rural very might necessary yet and then the sorts of issues that you’re dealing with that because you know there’s going to be a lot bubbling up Ryan’s not as well in terms of because I think the suffrage movement but is going on and and there’s a lot of racial problems and then there’s classic she’s while you’ve mentioned so if you’re happy to maybe less EKG just last Saturday but Marcus what’s your story as well you want to tell well if we’re gonna talk about Appalachia I do need to make sure that I preface that these are my people this is where I grew up and I love the end of your where I’m from so by any means I’m the purpose of this is not to shine a negative light on the people of Appalachia but Appalachian in the nineteen twenty eight is very different %HESITATION Appalachian ballad eight we’re up we’re going back in time and we’re looking at a time when I don’t think things were so different so much in Appalachia as they were in other parts of the country women were more of a second class citizen then man even in the early nineteen twenties when men that were just started a little bit more we were dealing with I don’t want to give away too much of the story is there is a very big twist at the end and the big twist at the end actually we’ll explain the actions by a lot of the characters throughout infidelity is one of the most memorable thing that you could have done in that time in Appalachia it’s something that that was our letter you know what I’m saying very much about starlet letter that area it fell yeah like I said it’s under Sir but there’s not a lot of well generations after generations after generations lived there but not a lot of people a lot of families can’t break out of poverty cycle but at the same time they’re also a very strong eight they’re very strong in their faith and their beliefs so trying to explain that without giving like much of a story and it’s a little little bit than a fine line to walk there but it’s a very beautiful part of the country the Appalachian trail a lot of people will hike that it is just the mountains trail %HESITATION on the eastern part of the United States it’s beautiful and the people are wonderful they’re just very set in their ways and sometimes people will justify their actions by what has happened yeah and I hate to use the %HESITATION terms but I four nine if you hear a lot of times people still feel that way and back in that time the nineteen twenties there was not on law enforcement as you see it now right there was one local sheriff for like three or four to L. and that was the case that the story up there we had one share I never hear of many different things like that so I hope that can help an indescribable Billboard it Leslie you know the extension that some of this a lot of it is pulled from her her childhood here in there which Leslie and I are about the same age so grew up in the seventies it’s set back in the nineteen twenties because maybe it’s a little bit more believable so that some of this these things actually can happen they still actually Leslie maybe you could talk to this can happen today that some of the things that happen in the movie like that could never happen Welton Leslie might know about the situations in her childhood where things like that actually did happen yeah I grew up with this and we were court reporter growing up we didn’t have a car I don’t think anyone would ever relate to that you know what I’m saying the seventies eighties and nineties growing up how did you not have a car but we don’t have a car I would have a telephone that sounds great to you and when I was in high school we did not have a telephone we couldn’t afford it and having that you know even though some of the things that you see you know was in the seventies eighties and nineties I took it back to the twenties because I just don’t think that if I told the story of the seventies eighties and nineties well not as we’re not believed that people would not believe that how does a family not have excel how do you not have a land line in your house we didn’t read it I had a single mother with trying to raise three children of our own and it was just their circumstances that we grew up in so we decided I decided to take this story back to the twenties to make some updates you know that I can relate you’re from my child care it would explain things a lot easier that’s really great to hear about that less because I was something I was gonna ask you bite cassette the setting is almost a hundred years on from where we are today I think that actually quite a few of the issues that come up in the film are really Prashant right now all right I think especially with a lot of what we said with their abusive behavior and race relations and gender and equality and everything he can and well into the twenty first century noise so I think it is a very twenty twenty story and a lot of ways as much as as a nineteen twenty sorry so it it’s really great to hear I’m really fascinating what you’re saying is well the plight that decision to go back to the Chinese that makes a lot of sense actually because I grew up more in the eighties and the U. K. and yet we do even for a lot of a CVP considers horror underprivileged but we probably would have had access T. a landline telephone or a cover of some description at even a neighbor’s car or something like that so you know that’s really just fastening contacts here but I thought thank you both for that yeah yeah you just hit the nail on the head you’re really did you’re really something that up very well it’s just interesting you know even when I was telling myself some of the stories from my childhood shows like what at the same time and regionally we were just a few hundred miles from each other she was growing up in Illinois and I was growing up in Kentucky but we grew up in two very different worlds very very different worlds and it’s just fascinating just to see that how to people who are completely different not far from each other but just experienced two drastically different either you mentioned earlier as well that the two boys teddy and waylaid the beast very roughly on you and your sister and then putting it back to the twenties and changing them to police as Scott Disick in to facilitate the storytelling do you think it’s easier for employees or it’s easier for me because there were some parts that I did want to share about my life okay I just felt that it was the right thing to do was to make them boys some of the things that make my sister and I did work very well wait role you know what we would find in the Barnes and Klein you know fifty feet in the rockers I would die now if I saw my kids doing things like that you know we we go frog gigging and you know we would ship times we shot guns and in the field not a lot of things that you see Freddy and really doing there definitely more masculine things but those are the things that we had it that’s what we had to play with when you’re married remember from people so that’s just what we had to delete things that were around that’s what we have to play with and that’s what we yet there is a lot of times when I was very emotional on set you know I just think that it it would have been two little girls I would’ve been a total basket okay I’m still close with my sister and I love her so much but I think having a boy it’s the kind of things a little are a little bit more controllable yeah that makes a lot of census three users here I mean we talked earlier as well right just hi positives it production experience was and it does look like he hello maybe we can consider a lot of the actors as terribly famous or anything like that they’re actually really high caliber it and the performances set you’ve got out of them and she’s got really high production values and hi the film has been found the lighting music and and all of these elements that make it looks very polished and they make it look a lot more expensive than I probably actually will which is one of the men thank you all right coming from you that really means a lot someone has so much education and someone who has spent so much time studying found that’s really sweet of you to say that means that means a lot but we you know we were limited with our actors we were limited with what we had to change from what we have to work with but I do agree with you I do think that we got some really really genuine performances and %HESITATION I think that it came through and they were more than just characters they really worked really hard to get to where they needed to be instrumental scenes for heart things were very hard but I think they roast beef thank you all we wanted to make a family I talked to Michelle about this I did not want to tell this story how a modern day director would tell story stories nowadays are very different R. told very different and how old they are we’re told when I was when my children watch that comes from my childhood and I’m like oh this is scanned by me you’re gonna love it rob Reiner’s great blah blah blah this is Ron Howard and this is Joe Dante when I share with them they think I’ll use work %HESITATION really %HESITATION and they’re very much a narrative belt right whereas a more modern day wait you’re a lot of our modern day story starts with inner dialogue the characters we must the reaction that we eat your entry the audience you’re trying to see what is going through the mind of the characters and it’s not so bad body yet so Michelle and I were we want to tell in old fashioned story not very old fashioned but I wanted to tell it the way that we grew up watching and that was the intent that so with the listen to the score the score is very much something you would have heard and the eighties and nineties someone brought up out of Africa it has we’re going out of Africa or something like that and it’s more of an epic sound to it then something that it’s a little bit more modern and that was the look and the feel that we were going for day one with our cinematographer antara composer the film is getting really positive reviews wherever people are watching it so catchy point the search to words where they can find it and any information that as well like they’re they complained about it he Michelle would you like to yeah so it’s on Amazon and designed to be TV and it’s on Google play and YouTube it’s also being taken to the console market coming up so we’re excited to see if it hopefully can go somewhere yeah that Avenue and yeah we’re on Facebook based on the movie and Facebook is probably the best place to go to social media to find out the latest %HESITATION what’s going on there filming the reviews we post in there all the press everything is on and our Facebook page did I miss anything less like so interesting hi there if you have anything you you really want to hot up in the film because we’ve been tiptoeing around the story because we don’t want to give too much away but is there anything else you wanna add about your experience in making acts and the people that you worked with anything at all well I think we kind of already said it but just to reiterate that craziness of how I mean you mentioned the production quality value the film and that the good acting all round I think we really made a really solid looking film that’s the feedback we get that looks studio quality if you know more about our budget was less than six figure six you know you have to you know we say for the price of a new car we made this film over the course of three years and I I am biased but I think it looks and feels and watches it’s just it’s amazing for what we specs and I think you know we’re first time filmmakers never even made a short film before and we did this and pulled it off and so I think that’s that’s the story behind the story be back in just in general that’s a really good story beautifully told and we just hope that people will watch it and I see I hope this gives you the confidence to get more of the scripts I do thought closet yeah hello I I hope to find that one person out there that would believe in me we’ve been to hell do not tell anyone what you spent on the stock don’t keep that budget look you know keep it quiet because if anyone knew what we what we really did here with the amount of money that week that they would know that it was tried just shy of a miracle thanks there’s a part of me that says look what I can do for this amount of money if you would just believe in me I can do an amazing product with a few hundred thousand dollars you know I don’t even need you know millions of dollars I don’t need that and I don’t think a lot of people I need to bring a quality piece of work I don’t I don’t there was no backing up your call back I don’t know if you have heard of that or saw it but it was just for actors in a room that’s it and for a credible actors in the film was done for three hundred thousand dollars it just goes to prove that I’m trying you can just have a good story and if you have a good performance %HESITATION and just believe it stopped working I just believe in not directed that they can deliver something I would love to be able to find someone with a refurbished Alibag if we have so many stories that we have we can share there’s very different remains though very different where it I’m definitely more of a I liked eating any unnecessarily horror when I left I left to get people thinking I have four other scripts but I would love to help right thank you this crazy thing again I think that sets the toxic message to the nation I absolutely hear ye I I just totally agree with everything that you’re saying give people chances give people resources and look what they can achieve so that’s such an important message for this and I I just feel so privileged that you folks come on and talk about all this and shared your story and I hope that my tiny podcast can in some small way get that message out there as well for you so let’s see K. S. and Michelle angle heart thank you so much for your time thank you so much for sharing your story and just wish you all the best with everything it has to come and I hope there are great things coming for you and %HESITATION I really hope I get sick T. again that more links another time yeah me too well thank you so much thank you so much well it’s been a pleasure yeah it’s brilliant


Audiovisual Cultures episode 106 – Cinemallennials with Dave Lewis automated transcript

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hello and welcome to another episode of audio visual cultures the podcast that hooks and pokes in the different areas of audio visual media and the creative industries I'm Paula Blair and I'm really excited to introduce you to my cast D. Esalen yes makes a similar deals podcast which you should absolutely check right Dibbs website where you can find his home movies and podcasts Angie cheap thanks as in the show notes where ever you're accessing this episode please do you go and check that all right Steve is seeing really great work to promote cine and media literacy so please go and give him all the support you can Steve has also been kind enough to help me cast on cinema landing Elsa please see subscribe wherever you access your podcast C. don't miss what for me was a richly enjoyable conversation bites it happened one night said Frank Capra film from nineteen thirty four a massive Sanchi S. while T. our patrons over at Petri on dot com forward slash AV cultures and all our wonderful listeners for keeping us going there will be more information on ways to support artificial cultures at the end finally settling in for this really joyous maybe conversation with their David S. host of Senna millennials podcast you're very welcome to the official cultures thank you for having me I really appreciate you having me on yeah I've been really looking forward to this I really enjoyed staying on your podcast representing the older millennial content and we'll explain your podcast and the minute I think just generally it's alright if I ask you hi E. J. N. and whereabouts are we talking to you from and that sort of stuff yeah I'm doing well I'm from New Jersey in Union County New Jersey closer to New York %HESITATION around a forty minute train ride away from the Big Apple crafts city if he a lot of film reviews and you have what comes across to me as a particular and trashed and classical era holy way it's it's not fair to say I was wondering if you'd be happy C. chest and judges yourself and tell us about your interests and why you're so drawn to the types of films a year Jontay and that sort of stuff yeah my name is Dave Lewis signed host %HESITATION and %HESITATION producer creator extraordinary whatever you wanna call it it's such a weird thing to like have a title for %HESITATION when you do everything now but yes so I am the creator of Semenya's podcast where myself and another millennial watch a classic found so that ranges from eighteen ninety to nineteen sixty nine because that is you know with the academic quote on quote quote out or you're out of the classic era for filmmaking I've always just been fascinated with history basically what we do is we go into we watch the movies the very first time and then we see how it relates to our society today are millennial experiences whether be culturally popular culturally socially politically economically what have you we really want to try to understand the people of the past within the lines of our present and future and I think it's really important that we look at that stuff because all of the different things that we are going through right now whether it be racial issues other P. economic issues classicist issues there are a lot of things that we can learn from the past in order to create a better future and I've just always been fascinated with history ever since I was a little kid %HESITATION my mom got me a Fisher price castle where you can have a cannon ball shoot out in a trebuchet catapult and have the little clicking kind of as a drawbridge in the nights and everything and that really really made me fascinated with history and I think film really came into a creation point like %HESITATION kind of a amalgamation of those two and which is why I was inspired to cream similar deals we learned a lot from our history and learn a lot of things through film about history yes there's a lot of inaccuracies within historical filmmaking but what we really try to do is to look at the humanity of that really focus on the way of the future and someone else is a perfect fit for that really I think it's a rainy Accern idea for a podcast because it's both a combination of the period that you're looking at switch it anyway it's quite a big area of cinema but in another sense in terms of sort of leisure our history it's so tiny and it's still in a state of becoming it settles so that's really interesting but then also the generation that you focus on because you know you're not liking it tends ads are jammed seeds you know at the same time it's specifically millennials sons that ranges from the older ones like me from the at the stadium %HESITATION people up to the late nineteen nineties and stuff so that combination I'm thinking these older films that as if some educator having taught a lot of you know younger people coming even after me and the sense is that %HESITATION those of some suggest boring and they're nonsense you know so I'm I'm just seven said it just a probe a little bit more what kind of things are you learning from not from this combination of those two things together yeah it's it's fastening like the other idea that that I had with some money has just that I was noticing like watching Marvel movies or whatever is big right now Star Wars and then especially right now June there is a massive massive influence of older sounds coming to the sounds that are coming out today and there are a lot of people that there's this culture this some called you're on YouTube of covering found and breaking down are saying we do explain the ending explained of things and I find this really fascinating because people want to know everything they have this deep deep hunger to know everything because partly people want to you know feel better are more superior than other people and in that way I wanted to get that group but at the same time I wanted to get the group that we will find it boring they find it exhausting all its black and white so that's not gonna be interesting but there's a lot of things that you can play with within black and white within shadows I think the shadow plays like the thing that's the most important thing about that is you're able to unlock something with a a restriction of not having color with the restriction of having to write around saying this in order to make it more relevant to that person or read more relevant to that culture and that time without specifically and explicitly saying those things like we talk about the podcast but he's code I think it's so fascinating to see where people come from where myself and other money has come from what they're like saying I've never watched a classroom before but I understood that because of the different references behind it and I understood the simplicity of it because it wasn't so specific but at the same time like we talked about in our I'm sorry that it happened one night there are references where I myself am not gonna understand at all that other people might reference might understand like the older generations and I think with the millennial generation's wanting to know more that's where I was like okay maybe more and more and now there's a big film culture on Twitter and YouTube people want to know more and more and they want to see more educated within sound and I thought it was a way for not only myself to learn more about classical filmmaking or phone majors the masters of the past if you well I thought it was a really cool idea to talk to people about it to see and almost on the same line because that sounds a little pretentious but bring people decide Hey this stuff is amazing because of how revolutionary it was and how still relevant it is tags and I think it's really it's a great opportunity to bust some misconceptions I think as well because the more you take memory Rafael and I think we've both top seed mutual friend of ours ours Henriques fights now the cabinet of Dr Caligari and what strikes me about that sound is just a reminder is that those are the silent films they're not necessarily black and white because they use a lot of color filters here there's lots of police and park pinks and greens that are used in the US and so they're expressionist in more ways than one it's not just long shadows and things are actually quite vibrant and hi there expressing the internals evenings of characters and so on it's a really lovely opportunity for you to get someone by your side and for each of you to learn not to gather it's quite a joyous thing to lessen safe for me I'm so glad to get that fact and it's funny you say that it's joyous because the majority of the people that I've talked to so far within twenty something episodes everyone's love their movie everyone's love the vibrancy of everyone's loved the different acting techniques that they had back then would there be a silent or a talkie it's something that's like so fasting to see like once they understand like oh wow this is art this is a true form of art and expression and it's been something that's around for a hundred years not just the last twenty or thirty years or forty years now that's more things are coming up within forty years now you know especially the things that we grew up with four years plus almost fifty years so now it's definitely something that has brought me a lot of joy into having a lot of people really dig deep into things that they were never seen before and I enjoy listening to yes I think because I think a lot of the films that he caught fire our fans that I may be watched as a younger person because I was just curious about cinema and then I ended up studying it formally so I watched a lot of the times as well in my film studies courses %HESITATION hands my own research and teaching it remains to somebody like me to watch his sons for the joy of them as well as for what you can learn from them so I enjoy it on those two novels that's exactly what I was gone for so thank you so much and words I was wondering how do you choose your person that you did way because I know that you have some people come back and do them repeatedly I suppose with all of us to start with an indie pop past you start to you know restart with your friends and that kind of stuff and people you bump and say on the internet like maybe but and here are you looking for he shared ideal cast do you think my ideal gas would be someone I don't know I think it's I I like talking with family and friends because I think it's so interesting to see where their %HESITATION perspective start from it and with I don't know would be interesting to see if I can get somebody whether it be like academics like yourself or maybe somebody that's been involved with filmmaking or like an actor or an actress of the really cool to have if they're like doing a period piece and they want to go back or maybe something like along the lines of I think it would have been great to have somebody that was a part of manc talk about change I think that would have been awesome to say because I feel like especially with Citizen Kane Citizen Kane is something that everyone knows about rose bud whether people know it or not and especially with names and how it was it was about the creation of the story there so many like different versions of the creation of the story with their long tails asset which now has been proved false which is the whole movie that's that's the whole movie is based off but now it's interesting to see like how people really interactive film and how they go from saying %HESITATION yeah it's just a movie too wow it's saying a lot about society and especially how it so real relevant to our world today but yeah I think somebody will that would be a part of something whether it be like movies like bank or %HESITATION the other side of the window I don't know why I am referencing or someone else here twice %HESITATION he's been on my brain a lot %HESITATION for some reason but %HESITATION no I think somebody like that would be really really cool to have well never say never hopefully %HESITATION yeah that would be really great to say that I'm thinking it's all about you saying references this is something I used to tell my students as somebody who is say teaching usually first year from Saudi students a lot I noticed that you know every year maybe just get a bit more reticent to just be there at university %HESITATION and there's a lot of factors involved in that and in the U. K. I don't rating I can't speak for the aspect you know there's reasons behind that I need at the moment %HESITATION arrange the structures and that sort of stuff and %HESITATION I used to tell my students you know it's not even just staying well academically you actually start to understand references and shows like family guy a lot more pay attention to what I'm telling you and you'll enjoy it more because you'll get it you go oh that's from that made me understand this million attack from rival and that was something that came up in our episodes that's coming up as well is is and chances as you say of some sort %HESITATION coming out each day you will understand them more because those directors there from disco love going to the cemetery R. cinephiles I know what you're doing and they love what they're doing so you'll understand some more if you just watch widely right I feel like that's where a lot of especially the big directors today now like some my favorite directors are you need on news and %HESITATION Christopher Nolan and basically they often I say this a lot of a Christopher Nolan he basically takes a lot from Hitchcock yeah with the attention that he builds within the film whether P. Dunkirk where you have the constant ticking of the mechanical movement of a watch no I love that effect because I'm in the big lots guys well %HESITATION ology guys well but it really builds that tension and then with you need to live he uses a lot of the stuff from science fiction of the past but is able to fully realize the world I've been obsessed with dune for the last couple years building up because I've read the first two Bucks to run really really struggling to get there but I think what he was able to do was he was able to build a world of all %HESITATION you know George Lucas and Mike he's able to build the world even though George Lucas is you know it people don't differ on if that's a classic or not because that's the whole like kind of ideas people say oh a classic is just the thing that like you know everybody revers rather than the academic sense which is the layman you know I go by but on the way that he's able to build and build and build this kind of tension and he kind of reminds me of older film directors not even but before long you can also say his cock as well because of his stuff from that the signer a lot of people don't know that you talked it silences swelling even today %HESITATION he did an adaptation of plough and the stars which is really ran into me as someone that worked in higher studies and I was really interested in %HESITATION saying that but anyway I think basically what we see a lot with those two directors and other direct like when Tarantino is probably a great example even though I'm not a fan is %HESITATION that they're using the techniques and they're using the ideas of the past and are influenced by the past and they want to elevate their stuff by using the old masters and by using the old masters they elevate their own projects as well in definitely it's quite great sales to show people that are at least introduce it to them and for them to to get up and run was set by themselves you know that's a great thing to pass on to people would you like to receive updates thanks and special offers straight to your inbox then visit audio visual cultures dot wordpress dot com to sign up to your mailing list yeah I wanted to ask you how you teach to use the phones you've mentioned a few limitations already you've got last time period so we're looking at quite as she mentions classicism in the sense of periodization select right at the time he gets up and you're looking for the moment as far as I know %HESITATION specifically Hollywood scare which is a bit gray in the very early years but a lot of the films that we go right back to the eighteen nineties are probably going to be really difficult to access any rise I mean you need that limitation I think you need a limitation but I just wondered about your experience working with and not and it just got me thinking Kian uprights there is a distinction I think an important distinction between Hollywood and yes our American sentiment they're very different things actually and I was wondering what your thoughts were on that and what impact that has maybe on shaping your podcasts or is it something you might address at some point you know just what do you think about that yeah I am I thought about it to certain degree because I know you know in the early eighteen nineties obviously it was dominated by Edison which is my area of where I live and it is dominated by %HESITATION Addison and a couple other early ones until Addison actually forced people out to go to Hollywood by literal gun point actually I'm not himself of course why would he do that he has a bunch of cronies that day I was in was not a great person and everybody thinks he is generally there is an absolute distinction between American Hollywood sounds and it is very difficult because what is said ninety percent or up to ninety percent above of silent films are completely lost so often it is very hard so when I take the phones originally I just picked I think was a hundred or something films of what are deemed to be the best of the best classics are the most well known classics as well as some things that I knew personally from things that I wanted to find out from whether it be European filmmaking whether B. E. S. judgment yeah E. or a and a half a dozen half again I can remember my gosh the Italian director Fellini at every company name yes only thank you %HESITATION Fellini and then some of the French directors this file that I really really interesting never really got into %HESITATION because I understood that some of their stuff is kind of a little difficult to get into if you don't understand the whole culture and you know being American I don't think I'm a regular if you're an American and a lot of ways but some ways I am I think that what I was trying to do is let's look at like all the things that are deemed to be as the classics where I looked at the AFI lists the BFI lists not wanting to have a good diversification as well as introduce other not so long well known classics like on the list I have %HESITATION I have the response by Oscar Michaud who is a African American director who is one of the first African American directors I can't remember the title the sound I think it's the unconquerable or something like that %HESITATION where she responds to D. W. Griffith's birth nation where a lot of people think that this is like you know D. W. Griffith stays the great you know introduction of epic cinema when in actuality there are people in Italy in France doing a lot more than he was way before December Griffiths even came to the stage and that we're doing way less problematic stuff and I wanted to introduce Oscar me shall I wanted to introduce other people that might not be able to be on the pedestal of what Hollywood and other people think as like the great filmmakers and I want people to look into European filmmaking because there's a lot of great stuff as well as I'm trying to now look at other phones outside of Europe outside of Hollywood outside America in order to have a big diversification when I do have people that are from other places that want to talk about their personal and cultural experiences going to the cinema so mainly we have phones that are known as the benchmark for a lot of stuff so what every citizen came in with like we talked about for me you know Frank Capra's kind of lexicon of the are %HESITATION filmography of americana or like we talked about Capricorn with it's a wonderful life which is one of my favorite films of all time and then you had the great British directors like this guy behind me David lean %HESITATION Lawrence of Arabia which is another great favorite some of mine it's all across the board I wanted to understand what is the best things are what a lot of people like scholars like yourself for you know academic saying this is the best as well as the same thing as what a lot of people say is the best like people that are outside of the cell making world news I wanted to understand and I wanted to like educate myself as well as help other people educate themselves through listening to and participating and going back to the idea of American town versus Hollywood there's a lot of you know D. I. Y. and corn corn punk type of influences are there's a lot of DIY and punk type of directors that are doing stuff that not many people know about some trying to delve deeper into those in order to see like if I can add anything on and then I have course you added it happened one night so I'm always open to suggestions whether it be you know anything in the world it doesn't matter weather be like you know a small thing or something that's obviously why didn't I think of that what am I doing why didn't I just think of that movie so it's a whole thing across the board it gets me thinking a lot of by curating your own films being in a way that's been on my mind about it anyway because again our our mutual friends larceny son and Garen and I over at mysterium picks for him you know where they've they find a desk you know they find a hard drive for C. three hundred pounds on them and so that's what their podcast is about it is it's curated for them as their family hearing and what you've done and the limitations that you've sacked and that's something that for me and they show it I know that my show is it doesn't have that many she know I'm quite broad and sprawling because those are my research in Trastevere where where's that where things stepping over each other I just feel like there's really good crimes here for a really fascinating research projects where it's right I want to make a podcast debate the staying and so in Q. reading a script the film so I'm gonna watch to talk them three you know I I just %HESITATION something ready fascinating about that that's just bring a light yeah macos participating in that and other people's head that way as well which is quite nice yeah it's I mean it's funny you say it's like kind of like a research project which I mean that I think that's a perfect example of what it is because %HESITATION I went to school for history I'm trained ademas historian because you know that's not my field and I want to sound too pretentious in there I'm not gonna call myself %HESITATION missile historian but %HESITATION you know I did study anyway anyway you are to no sales the story no one but no I am I studied history went to school for history because as I said before was a lifelong passion and I really do think that film is a good way of introducing not exactly educating because obviously you know there's too much Hollywood stuff like the last tool which is in the army %HESITATION but now which is actually funny like to go on a little little tangent armor medieval representations of armor are better in the first half of the cinema rather than what is going on today unfortunately but I think it's a great way to really see what people are into and see what they're not into and then see how they can relate it back to our world tangy and how to understand what we're doing wrong or what we did do wrong in the past whether it be through art or social movements and how we can fix that today and I think through filmmaking that introduces a lot of topics that are can be often difficult and can really make people not make people but can really make them feel comfortable enough to talk about those issues I think I'm not I was wondering if you have some examples of factors jokes that come picky to mines create from Sentinel any elsewhere that sort of thing has really happens and Ian your cast a pretty dull guy something even arsed something like that is really shiny oh gosh that's so relatable to see the recession we've just seen one ten years ago or something like that like do you have some examples that you kids aren't semesters to words yeah the main one the main examples that I thought of was all about eat and how when it's apparently clear coat it there's a lot of references to queer coding within that I myself did not know any of that from that world I heard a little here and there but my cousin Kelly who inside you know she's very interested in that kind of period and then %HESITATION but not that kind within that there's issues and within those issues but in the period and how %HESITATION there's a lot of different references to clear %HESITATION ideas and representation within that film and I had no idea about that because I I you know I always heard about all about eve being this like on Twitter there's a big old Hollywood community and with it being so kind of like I'm looking to DVD box right now with how impactful it is within that community and I was like okay well all I can see it this way and somebody sees it as another way really fascinates me because you know I myself I'm straight says hat person you know I don't understand everything that's going on within that community I try to educate myself more more which is why one of the reasons why I picked all of that is because I wanted to know about that and why Kelly picked all about eve %HESITATION because of its representation in a time where that representation could not make sense in a lot of places and now when you can look back even further not to a film that we've covered %HESITATION on similar deals but there's films from the twenties and thirties and even our earlier that you have representations of queer people I know G. T. Q. plus people that are coded in a way as to run around the Hays code and other restrictions set up time so that's another one on another one and talk with that is %HESITATION some like it hot is another great one that we really talked about gender politics and the representation of gender on the screen and you know you can trans gender issues as well so that was really fascinating there's a couple films that we really talk about I mean we talk about happened one night with %HESITATION classicism and economic strife between the classes and how we really see what America was at post depression or during that depression up post freshen during the depression and how people were trying to travel across country for work they were having this depressed but jolly positivity at the same time when the scene that they're on the bus and then you also have gender politics and that within our %HESITATION Peter tries to hail a cab and you have very sexist but what some people could say as empowering to the female characters in the story is the whole almond hedge my dress up just to reveal man I get the car right away he's my sexuality as a power kind of grab %HESITATION in a way so yeah those are a couple examples that I could really think of right now especially how can I forget this one citizen Kane as well I know I keep talking about it but you know the ideas of especially right now billionaire's having all this power people like Charles foster Kane having all this power and how you can clearly relate to a lot of major political and economic figures today how do you treat the world around them when in actuality a lot of it was down to childhood trauma and issues that they weren't you know loved enough or they weren't you know that kind of thing where we really have to look at everybody from a human perspective whereas you know a lot of people can deny this as well but we need to look at like what happened and why they are the way that they are today maybe we can empathize maybe we shouldn't empathize at all so there's a lot of different issues there that we can really delve into yeah tellingly the medium %HESITATION kill a silent just based at one time I think no no definitely not we need a lot we need we need to there's a lot of issues going around with that media moguls and how they control the media or who who controls the media really and how different points of view and perspectives are pushed out rather than held against an iron door so they don't get pushed out we'd love for you to be part of the conversation with AP cultures called on Instagram Facebook and Twitter and we also have discord I mean you say you go back in history and you talk quite a bit about that and then %HESITATION and I think it you've already answered this question gives you you've said to your your interest and some quite dove tails without minutes remaining so I mean what was that attracted G. T. ng film reviews and writing some reviews as well as costing from northeast not sort of work it was just something that I was I've just been always passionate about %HESITATION writing really kind of came as an accident when I was working at %HESITATION actually I went to an event at the American Irish Historical Society in New York I'm very involved with %HESITATION the actual unity in New York especially the new York Catholic association and %HESITATION I actually pointed out it was twenty sixteen so is the year of %HESITATION you know the hundredth anniversary of the nineteen sixteen star rising in Dublin and %HESITATION I was just there you know as a friend to support my friend who is %HESITATION that kind of she ran the offense at the American Irish Historical Society I was just pointing out to somebody a couple that didn't really know about Irish history because I study that a lot my grandfather really got me into it when I was a young kid %HESITATION talking about the different you know people of the past with the B. Patrick Pierce or Tomasz McDonough or you know the signatories are even people little later Tomasz mix we need people like those %HESITATION figures of the past during the Irish revolutionary period and then I just point out this is a copy of the nineteen sixteen Easter Rising proclamation like a legit copy of it and then somebody noticed that Hey this kid knows what he's talking about so I started working for a mini truck McConnell she %HESITATION is from Donegal which is where my family's from in Ireland and %HESITATION which is not too far from where you're from I just found it interesting and I found the history so like I was so passionate about it and I started working within that field and she had connections with an Irish America magazine so I started working there %HESITATION as an editor and writer assistant editor writer covering all across the board of history the Gaelic athletic association's events that covered events meet a podcast for them %HESITATION where I wanted to make this deep dive into history and how it is still relevant within the Irish American kind of culture today %HESITATION which unfortunately is a lot of older people %HESITATION rather than younger people being passionate about it there's a lot of younger people only to see Patrick Stanley it's you get drunk your crazy for a guy and that's about it not really knowing where their families from or the history of it you know people inappropriately saying things about the irate and things like that which yeah it's too much of an issue %HESITATION ignorance lies on those kind of histories and I think it's something that I just kind of fell into because it was a passion for me there was a film critic there called ka hor of Dougherty who really really pushed me into going into film reviewing %HESITATION she actually had a lot of connections within New York kind of film screening circles so he actually got me a %HESITATION an invitation to %HESITATION the Stan and Ollie and all the screening and ever since I was a kid I watched on March the when soldiers are based in Thailand and that that has such a head likes to massive impact on my life %HESITATION every single year I get a nutcracker because of that movie my parents gave me a cracker because I thought the soldiers in the movie were real the whole story is that for those that don't now stand Ali laurel hardy %HESITATION play %HESITATION toy makers and sans workshop they were asked to create six hundred soldiers and a foot high instead they made a hundred soldiers at six foot high they defend the land of toy land from %HESITATION the boogeyman and %HESITATION I thought they were real such a call can you please can you please give me M. long story short my parents you know Santa Claus got me a nutcracker that's probably about this tall I'm about three or four feet and ever since then you know I've been obsessed and watch it every year so there you go early Hollywood's influence a young young age yeah so from there I started doing my own things on YouTube they are not very good there's one that is okay decently I would probably need to re edit it it's about how Lawrence of Arabia really sets up people's intrigue with showing his death at the beginning of the movie and then later on you're gonna see the whole arc of his life within the military and his experiences in the desert and you see all the different perspectives of all the people that worked with him throughout the film and that really builds intrigue to start later twenty forty nine and you know things from there and it's just been growing I'd like three hundred seventeen subscribers as of right now and never did I think that I was gonna get that far yeah it's I mean I just I've always enjoyed I think the first film that probably son Peters was Toy Story and that from there was probably after that the first live action film last Sunday there's a Star Wars and %HESITATION I got so excited that apparently I was screaming crying and going nuts in a theater singing with me was the coolest thing in the world that I almost got my and and like four five nine because it's my brother kicked out of the theater so it's always been there and it's just like with this kind of steady build into something that I've always been passionate about history as I sat I always wanted to know what the why and how about a lot of people in who they were and and that and you know I just going to deep dives on wikipedia is and then go into the kind of academic resources and things like that so it's something that just has been a slow build over my whole life I mean I remember watching you know the Oscars when the lord of the rings trilogy %HESITATION came out that was something that really really changed my whole world about filmmaking and thinking about film and watching behind behind the scenes of those movies it was something that just you know developed a long lifelong passion for film and wanted to know why the why the how and who behind the scenes I really can appreciate that curiosity I have a very similar curiosity as well let's just say end up starting from quite formally those are all things that I've really always encouraged some students said today as well %HESITATION so it is ready cartons me that someone right there does that because it can be quite difficult to capture the students of the subjects should be that carried us and check to make those things up I've always said that even just credit sequences are gold mines of information my gosh yeah like a it notes interviews like I look at those a line like we eat that person did this one of my favorite like phone taxes that some of the greatest films of all time written by like the scene two or three people he had like I think it's Robert bolted Lawrence of Arabia he was a part of it's a wonderful life he was a part of the on so many other great films that he did I know I only need to but when you look up Robert ball and see what the credits you Dan it's amazing but no one knows his name because of you know the house un American activities kind of idea %HESITATION event that happened and how a lot of communists and leftists were completely shunned from Hollywood including him I mean you had another great example is Dalton Trumbo and how he did Spartacus and all these other great sounds but you have to find the little details within those stories and that's how you find it through the credits through wouldn't eat different Matt paintings in the background of Star Wars or the special effects artist with more the rings any circus you know how these things all connect one of the great examples of old Hollywood is Conrad vite people don't talk about him and now he's one of the greatest actors film actors of all time look at his demography the cabinet of Dr Caligari the man who laughs still me his face is still making an influence on our popular culture today nearly almost I think he's almost you know it would have been close to his hundredth birthday or something like that by now he also did a casa Blanka she is so super influential within our society in popular culture today in what is known as the you know upper echelon of filmmaking and storytelling I think that's really fascinating how there's still so many names that have not been talked about enough within some meeting in you know in a way I I hope to bring those people little bit more to light even though we are talking about those bigger kind of people for the majority of the time it's great I think anything that can redress the %HESITATION reassures that have happened because there were a lot more women involved in filmmaking and people realize similarity years most film editors are women a lot of screen writers for women but there their names were changed her masculine I used a word they just aren't included in the crowd at seems to always look at what's missing as well as with fire I thank ray and you talk about women I mean some of the earliest like we wouldn't have the %HESITATION the color version of %HESITATION the way I still do not add a trip to the moon we wouldn't have that because it was all women hand cleaning every single frame that film that's why it still colorized today and then you also have you know a form more updated reference you know talk about Lawrence Arabia Andy Coates who worked until what was a couple years ago before she unfortunately passed she was working on so much influential sounds I mean she is the one that basically created the famous cut most famous cut one of most famous transitions of all time with Lawrence of Arabia where he has the match he blows it out and you just see the beautiful sunrise across this vast desert wasteland there were so many especially I mean when you look at even earlier in the nineteen tens nineteen twenties nineteen thirties a lot of famous directors especially comedy directors were female and it's really really fascinating to see how people want to have that focus today there's another %HESITATION northern Irish %HESITATION my god I can't member's name film kind of historian director that did a whole series about women and stuff and I think it's on criterion %HESITATION mark cousins yeah markup that's done talking about yeah that's on talking on mark cousins great great series on that I started watching that %HESITATION a couple months ago and I was like oh my god they're just so much good history here and there's so much good kind of representation here more people should know about it Kitty here do I feel like we should we should chat again because I thought I'd love to hear more about your experience as an Irish American personally this is something that's come up in the podcast a few times you know where I've found and I've had a cast on and it turns out they have a wealth of Irish history Souchez Donovan but also carry roots he is a film historian and he's %HESITATION from the asset and that he's he left and Belfast for a long time and he taught me a film studies actually here's one of my lectures at queen's high school and he's just written masses and masses and masses backseat just he spent for my tastes and the machine he's written loads by RD horror and RT at American horror he said he's a huge fan of Bela Lugosi and he's right back has traces of the state but he's also written quite a lot of fights Irish American cinema show he might be somebody in assets and and the king and say he's one of those people he's a he's a take make sure you know I think he's got Cherokee and them but he's also got Irish in him and you know he's already been there and one person so Gary's pretty fascinating yeah I'd love to it really keep in touch and they can stop it mark have covers you the diaspora is is so interesting I mean I'm technically yes I asked for it in a way nice while living in England %HESITATION and it's also really kills me to hear that you're from all star specifically yeah my family's from down low and so one of the %HESITATION way way you know isolated places and it's actually great grandparents that come from Ireland and %HESITATION my grandfather was just always super passionate about and telling me about it and then you know I started I went to study gone twenty thirteen and %HESITATION %HESITATION yeah twenty thirteen I absolutely you know love the place want to learn Irish %HESITATION I know a little bit of Irish myself just always this fascinating history and you know to see the sports and how intertwined it was within the culture and you know being someone that's been you know part of the G. 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okay welcome to another episode of audiovisual cultures with me paula blair today i have the really great pleasure of being joined from germany by lars henrichs and nissan arakan to talk about the new hamburg school of filmmaking we’re going to talk about your filmmaking collaborations and maybe a bit about your underground film festival um but first nissan and lars could i ask you each to tell us a bit about yourselves give us a bit of an introduction to you okay sure okay um hi my name is nissan arakan i’m originally from turkey i live in germany since i am i was 10 years old so it’s now for 20 years i studied acting and homework with last together um when i was 17 and then i started uh working as an actor here in germany um but i wanted to do more independent unique stuff stuff i would like to watch and i was kind of stuck in in the german film industry as as the turkish muslim roles to play and um the system is for for um actors who who are not exactly white um frustrating and um so i want to do my own stuff i still work as an actress here i mean now during corona it’s almost impossible but i i never stopped working as as an actor because i i need to pay my rent but but at uh the year 2016 i think we we met again so we we knew each other when we were 17 then for a long time we haven’t seen each other and then we we re-met and um he had a similar story he also but he should tell himself he also started as an actor and was frustrated by the industry so and he you should tell yourself your own story but we started to make um independent movies together which are more unique not so mainstream not not so german typical at all and um yeah we were i’m really happy about that uh all right um i’m i’m lars lars hendrix uh i’m an uh yeah actor and filmmaker from uh hamburg uh yeah i met nissan when we were 17 and studied acting uh here in hamburg and i’ve always wanted to become a filmmaker i’ve always wanted to become a director um but i didn’t do that great in school so i was told uh the the the um you you can be an actor but you can’t be a director because for that you would have to go to a university and you would need you would need whatever better grades um and then i went to university to study acting when i was 17. um and after that i started i i directed the play and then i started making short films with uh with other acting students and film students and out of that grew uh yeah some kind of a production collective um i made my first couple of uh no budget feature films uh i think i started in 2013 i had uh i landed a leading role in the australian teenagers sitcom in your dreams it’s on youtube go watch it um and and after that like that that was like a really big set so so i was for for uh two years every day on on this big million euro budget set and i thought all right i can emulate these processes without the money um and we started doing that in 2013 when i made my feature debut why hans wagner hates the stories guy uh whatever um wasn’t that good it’s okay actually it’s okay um and yeah then after i made that i met other hamburg-based independent no budget filmmakers because that was right around the time when um equipment for like consumer grade prices uh would would start to come up that that that was able to uh produce images and sound that were fit for cinemas uh so so for the first time like cinema level film production became achievable for everyone and there were a couple of people who started doing that in in hamburg um namely the director christian grundy and director tommy tommy kessler bad with names even though those are collaborators of quite some years really embarrassing sorry sorry tommy um no but but then we we uh we as three came together and we first founded the obsessive underground film festival in hamburg that focused on these kinds of movies um that would uh untypically for german movies uh be very um they would be mostly genre movies uh not exactly the the way genre usually works like we were all genre bending and experimenting and stuff because we didn’t have monetary restrictions uh we we could just do whatever we wanted because there was no money to be lost because it was all no budget um but yeah it was it was uh like german film usually isn’t uh genre even genre adjacent so so we we did that um did that for a couple years and then uh yeah then we re-met and we made a movie together uh in which for the first time christian grunde who co-founded the festival other director uh was the uh he he was the dop on that movie um and so many other stuff we like he did the costumes with me yeah and uh he um did he organized people who could um like the sound guy and and he organized he made set designs yeah we became like a like like a three people like like a punk band making movies yeah and um yeah and and then we made that and and then nissan uh had the idea to submit it via film freeway uh that’s a that’s an online platform to film festivals all around the world then we got invited then we traveled to all these places and we kept making movies uh actually uh getting some budgets uh getting the movies released for the first time so that’s all nissan’s work and she also uh then um took over organizing the film festivals uh together with me and christian and then people from the us came and and from belgium and from all over europe and it was uh it was great wonderful a comprehensive introduction to both of you and all the things you’ve been working on thank you so much um and there’s a there’s a huge amount there i think for us to start to go and look at in a bit more detail i mean first of all i just want to thank you both so much for doing this with such impeccable english because i have no german so i feel very inadequate right now as a horrible british person who can’t speak any other languages very well and so just thank you on the top for that um it’s uh yeah you’ve been doing a really impressive amount of work and i love the way you describe this as the three of you a bit like a punk band making movies and that was something i really wanted to pick up on i think i feel perhaps um a lot of empathy with that because a lot of podcasters like me it feels very diy and on the hoof and very punk as well and it’s the technology that’s allowing us finally to do that because like yourselves i never would have broken into radio by myself or or filmmaking by myself so this gives me a way of doing it so i’d love really to hear a bit more detail about that if you’re happy to go into that a bit more sure nissan um should we like start with i don’t know leon or well yeah okay so so as i as i said before yeah i think that that diy culture in general is right now at the place where it’s never been before because yeah sound equipment too has come such a long way i mean uh i know of professional film production that gets dubbed via whatsapp voice message which isn’t ideal but people don’t notice because even your phone you have such high grade microphones by now i remember when i actually did have a punk band uh when when we were first starting out and we were 13 in our uh

what you call in our rehearsal room and we wanted to record ourselves and it was a real hassle and we had like these we had to carry these huge computers like a windows 98 tower pc uh to that room and set it all up and then we had one crappy microphone that that that and you couldn’t even really make out what you were listening to when you were listening to it and um i don’t think that’s the thing that uh new bands uh really have to uh fight with uh in in in that’s um in that way because yeah everything is now capable of of really empowering you to to produce good things and um i think because in in film all kinds of uh media sort of comes together like you need you need great sound equipment you need great uh the capacity of great sound production um you need to make a soundtrack so so some music is is in there too then you need a good camera you need good good images so so so all of this sort of comes together um and i think it hasn’t been possible for a long time to make something that can on some level compete uh with uh what you can put out with a lot of money behind it it is i think still you can’t really compete it’s it’s still everything we do is great for the tiny amount of cost but but i i guess you will be able to make out the difference but it’s very very different to what it was like in the 90s it doesn’t look like it’s shot on video um it it looks like it’s shot for for cinema because we shoot in the same kind of format um and yeah i think i think that’s i think we’re living in a really interesting time because uh for filmmaking and and yeah every other type of media it hasn’t been possible before um and i think music as usual has been ahead of the revolution like we’ve seen all these diy acts come up and and really make the big time really quickly uh soundcloud has been a thing uh in in this way and and film is always a little behind because it’s a little bit more complicated but i hope it’s coming uh we’ve been doing it for for almost 10 years now we’ve been looking for people all over the world who would do the feature film thing this way um and i mean in the us there has been the mumblecore wave uh already and um yeah i i think it’s a thing that still is in its infancy but it’s coming and i hope there’s gonna be more uh punk band type uh production uh we’re not a company but what are we collective production collectives coming up yeah um i mean yeah i think diy can be very frustrating um but it’s also very very rewarding when you when you watch something and you know everything on screen was me

so um sorry nissan do you have anything to add there um i’m not sure because you uh you told already all the important stuff and i um i think what i’m also uh proud of is that we started um really little with i mean you did other movies before i don’t want to take credit for that um he started before me but when we um did our first movie together um which was leon must die which you can watch on amazon prime um we just did it uh we we just showed a feature movie in the park sometimes uh we had i think we had like three locations which was um in the flat of the uh actor of the main actor and the park and i think the um what’s keller in the basement in the basement of a friend so and um it was really little but we we were creative and and the movie was ironical and um we last me and christian we did like everything together and um i don’t know it was really great after the film freeway uh tour that um the movie went to vietnam to a festival in vietnam to to the um states and we also went um to um to america in sanford maine and also in in uk we were in the derby film festival and that was really great um so then we did this the uh i y thing again with a little more budget this time we worked for an acting school and um we worked with their um students on a movie together um based on on their uh character wishes um so uh because we you uh last and me we are also from the acting department so we could work with that and we are making films we could work with that so um the second movie we did together um was also on many many festivals and uh was um was um uh sorry how do you say his english is better than it was discovered it was discovered um from uh from a uh release element a blu-ray uh releaser oh yes get released in the u.s yes it’s behind us yes oh wow on blu-ray srs cinema so uh i was really proud of that and really happy about it um the second movie is about about seven girls in the forest um and maybe um cursed forest so it’s it’s kind of fantastical but very very subtle um and it was with uh it was the first time for us that we worked um with an ensemble and those were like seven girls who were like in their twenties early 20s early 20s they were just finishing drama school they were not so easy but it was fun and it was also for us we learned a lot to work with a big group and um then we did the same thing with the acting school with another big group and um then uh we made a really really uh big project which like killed us um almost uh and um it’s not finished yet we we made a series which will be about seven to eight episodes and we’re working on the releasement right now and um what i’m really proud of is that you can see the development from from the first movie we did together um to the series which will uh which we will publish this year this year yes definitely yeah this this series by the way is is another really great example of like the series we did would not be would not ever exist without the the the new kinds of diy techniques that are out there when we first came up with it and pitched it uh all those german production companies would go oh yeah that’s really interesting that sounds cool send us the the the scripts and we sent the scripts and then uh people um would say ah wait uh now we weren’t involved in developing the scripts now we don’t want it anymore then uh we would go to distributors who would say oh yeah right cool uh go shoot it bring us the the the finished uh product um then we had to shoot it by ourselves and we thought we would get help in post-production but when we went back to the same people or to production houses they would say well it’s shot now we got nothing to do with it now so now we’re doing uh all the post-production by ourselves too which we are only capable of doing because of all the projects before that because of all the software available and and hardware available so so we will actually be able to finish it and put it out there but i guess um only 10 15 years ago were we in the same situation that we are in now the project would be dead it would be completely tanked um so uh yeah it’s it’s that’s another thing where we are lucky while having bad luck uh with the timing um yes it’s a tremendous amount of work that you’re all doing by yourselves you’re all having these multiple production roles in front of and behind the camera so often it must be a lot but i mean you must be all skilled to the max by this point as well you must really know your stuff um really um lucky to have christian who is like our technician daddy so like we always ask him how to do this and that and i mean every time when we do something i guess it’s because because you’re so so uh into the production yourself like when i when i when i watch the thing that that we’ve just been doing i see the seams i see everything that’s wrong with it yeah and then when i and then i always think oh wow i can’t i i can’t do anything all of these things we did i i suck at them and then i watch it two years later and i think well there’s nothing really wrong with it that’s fine same same yeah um that’s lovely yeah you become a bit less hard on yourself and you know how difficult it all was um i was wondering as well i mean there’s there’s still a lot for us to to get to but i was wondering that trying to trying to push a new mode of filmmaking in germany must be a really tall order because there’s such a history in german cinema from the very start of you know so german expressionism beca and and this is something that feeds hollywood with all the emigrate directors who go there and it becomes really global and then with new german cinema you’ve got filmmakers like finn venders or rhino verner has fassbender and you know um i suppose anyone who who’s a cinephile will know those names for example um so it must be a really tall order to try and

push a movement or create a movement that is different to those that’s distinctive from those um but it’s true to yourselves and it maybe speaks to new contemporary younger generations i mean is that something you’re trying to do or is it something that you’re wanting to move away from or reacting against how do you feel about that um should i answer you first i first um i answer because uh every time when you answer you already say everything i i wanted to say um honestly with me it’s my first uh aim was when um i was uh doing this in the kind of movies and or events i also joined to obsess for underground festival um first of all i um i wanted to do something i really care about and why i wanted to become an artist because you kind of lose it if you are well i only speak to myself i kind of started to losing it while i was in the industry because it’s not so creative and artsy as you imagine as i imagined it’s it was lots of you know typecasting as i um talked and lots about um small talks networking and waiting for the phone to ring and and when the phone rang then you got the role for a project you did you wouldn’t even watch you know and um so that was the first thing and then i just wanted to fulfill myself so then i i really cared about this project which we made so the first aim i accomplished um and the second aim was to i don’t know to change something here in the industry or to um to and enrich it if if you um if there’s a word like that uh to um which was also for our last series for example great that by then we made all these other projects because um we could use i don’t know how we have like hundreds of different locations for example in the series because we i knew by then so many people who wanted to help us so um i also my second aim was also to um to make like a film a young independent film making family and um to feel like uh fulfilled and to to i don’t know can live from it um but by now um i i don’t know i feel like i i would like to um make continue making this somewhere else because i feel like the way i i want to work doesn’t really work in germany

okay um to the uh the the um yeah yeah to to add to that and to speak to the question of um the difficulty of pushing a new sort of filmmaking movement in germany um i think like i i love german expressionism um i i think there are me too we have a metropolis poster yeah it’s up there just out of frame i have maria pear as well yeah so uh the the the yeah the the silent era expression isn’t really really awesome and it’s so influential and um i don’t know we also sorry to interrupt which we also used in in in our movie leon must die you can see of uh german expression yeah we we do sort of quote uh i think nosferatu um and and metropolis yeah yeah yeah um so uh yeah i i really love that but that was a hundred years ago and uh then the the german people uh willingly ended that um and and completely destroyed all they had in terms of in terms of film culture and uh after that until the the um the new german film in the in the 60s uh there was actually nothing nothing that is worth mentioning at all um now that i’m saying that i’m contradicting myself in my head because there’s a fun little story in between but whatever that’s not important no but um like like no interesting films were being made and then the the new german film came and uh what so these these expressionist films were really big productions like those were major blockbusters um and then the the new german film they started out as kind of independent and then they actually pushed for uh state-sponsored filmmaking um i think most european countries have some kind of model like that in germany that became the only mode available for financing a professional production so while we officially do not have censorship you cannot produce anything that doesn’t get approved off by a board that does not have to uh explain itself they can they they can just say yes or no and that’s it they don’t need to explain why they don’t want uh some things and uh i i mean while while faspina was alive and uh did his thing apparently that worked kind of kind of well then later on there would be institutions like the hamburg film bureau where filmmakers like christoph lindsey who was more recent and and sort of a sort of uh uh sort of interesting avant-garde filmmaker um he would get money uh there so there would be these these these little instances of of institutions where you could get this uh state-sponsored money and make uh make interesting movies with that but right now we are in a situation where it’s actually uh the system is very very stale uh i think internationally uh you always uh um you will you will hear about about like one film every five years and those will be really standout productions but those do not have anything to do with the actual german film industry if you work here um you probably won’t have worked on those films um the things we work on uh are very very different uh it’s it’s all it all has to go through the uh state television and um well there’s uh there’s problems with it and and especially this uh there’s not much creativity in that um in that there are reasons for that uh but but but that goes too far uh but but yeah genre pictures for example do not get produced in germany um and uh many people inside the german film industry get sort of restless and uh frustrated i personally have have worked professionally in german film and tv for about 10 years now and i have not met one person who was happy with what they were producing not one person who said i would personally watch what i uh earn money on um all those people will go around and and that’s why uh those people are available for no and low budget productions because everybody like every camera guy i know wants to make a horror film uh to to sort of do something interesting with the camera for once um so uh

there is the uh we we’re not the only ones in germany who want to do something like that there is a certain restlessness and i mean that’s why there has been this tiny tiny mini movement that we have like we will there are i i don’t know five or six filmmakers or all around northern germany who you could roughly uh count as as part of uh the the new hamburg school and we actually do uh share um pretty striking similarities in style and tone um and so so yeah we obviously we all want to do something genre adjacent and yeah so there is this restlessness but on the other hand um not only all film production is centralized but also every film festival and every cinema needs state funding to to exist so if you have a movie that is not made with state approval you will not get into those uh at all so what uh this whole diy thing enables us to do for the first time in germany actually because also the the new the new german film they were also funded uh from some point on is to be actually independent to have an actual uh independent film movement um yeah and i think that that that’s the that’s the that’s one of the most distinctive things of the stuff we’re doing i guess yeah okay that’s really informative thank you lars um yes it’s uh you we don’t hear about this so much do we have fear beyond an industry or um you know those of us who are receiving say german art films and independent films or what we think of as and i mean no film is independent but they’re called that aren’t they um you know if we’re watching them say here in the uk um we would just assume that that’s what it’s like over there we don’t know all of that enzonites and who’s actually on the ground working on those films and are they making the work they want to make so that’s really an informative opinion to hear for sure um and i’m just thinking as well because um you mentioned you distribution and screening opportunities um so that must be a real point of frustration but then the world is so global now with the these um you know these virtual technologies that you have you do seem to have done really quite well and getting out there and maybe the festivals that you’re getting into seem quite small but that you’re getting to them and you have that reach and you have these global audiences that’s amazing um but i’m really interested as well in those very domesticated screening arrangements that you have i mean it’s very harks back to experimental cinema you know and it makes me think of the new york scene in the 1960s where everybody was watching everything in each other’s attic spaces and things you know it’s um so you’ve got that sort of lineage there as well with um experimental or underground type filmmaking that connects sheets all these other artists so that’s just how they had to do it as well

just um just wanted to add something it’s uh really funny that that you mentioned the new york scene in the 60s because like i think two days ago we were talking about it that that was uh this should have been the time uh we should have lived in new york during the 60s 70s that would be our time well uh i i have to boast for a second uh because because you mentioned it uh there is uh i i i mentioned christoph lindsey before who was a really uh like for me he was a big influence he was this this avant-garde filmmaker who um is revered in germany now that he’s dead and before he was really hated and he was like a fonterrible and a really funny guy and uh he would be making these really experimental avant-garde films and one of his main co-er his main collaborators um was actually he used to be a persecutor um in in hamburg he used to persecute uh nazi war criminals um and then he retired and became an actor in those experimental films he would visit our offseason underground film festival and once he said well this is just like it was back in the 70s yes yes we printed that on on on posters and stuff for a while because i was so proud he also played uh in our projects he uh he played himself in a web series we shot yes yes right and he played a role in in in the comedy i made before yeah yeah cool that sounds really awesome um i was thinking as well um nissan if i could come to you for a moment as well because i was thinking about uh your character in leon mustai and what you were saying about um you know your position as somebody from a turkish background and i mean there’s a history of this in german cinema as well isn’t there with them you know back in the 70s and so on the 60s and 70s with turkish migrant workers who were brought into germany um and fassbender’s films you know try to deal with that quite a bit um and you’re from a very different you turkish german background as i understand and it’s a much more contemporary i suppose version of being a turkish person in germany um if that makes sense and um and it’s you know it’s i don’t know i just think i’m really very interested in you know that frustration you’ve had with being typecast as you were saying and you how you’ve taken that taken this by the horns really and tried to carve out another way of well i can’t maybe can’t get the rules but if i make the rules that are different and i can be any other sort of character yeah um you know and then i was thinking about this character from the future you who’s slightly otherworldly but only very slightly because she is over than she is of you know she’s just she’s just from the future you know and and what happens with her um so i was wondering if you would be happy to to talk us to a bit more of that because it’s really i think it’s a really important issue you know to be fair to you know that um you because i think with a lot of us in you know sort of white western societies we’re doing this too much to people and people are just people you know wherever they’ve come from and whatever their background is you know and it’s um i don’t know it feels very political what you think is it maybe you’re doing it for fun but it i think i feel like it’s a political statement at the same time you know it feels quite powerful to me yeah uh it absolutely is um i i can uh quick uh short um tell my story well um i uh i i there there is a turkish there is a big turkish community in germany um i think the biggest minority community is the turkish community and most of them are gast abbayta which i would translate guest workers they were i mean brought in as workers for i think in the 70s yeah i think just as you said yeah like also in in fast binders movie

i think he was also a guest guest worker yeah but still um and

my story is completely different i was born in istanbul in a big city very very big western city and i i didn’t know about minorities i mean in istanbul in turkey there are minorities which are the kurdish people armenian people and um i i i didn’t know anything about um oppression i mean i was a child and the turkish people are in turkey the people who oppress so like my status in turkey is i’m a white person there so of course my parents my family is very leftist so of course i i know i learned what’s wrong and what’s right in their world but i i i didn’t know as a child what what it is um to be oppressed even though i knew it was wrong what the turkish people are doing because my father said so so my mom is a translator and um it’s it’s a very stupid story but it is how it was my mom is a translator and she translates the book by philip roth maybe you’ve heard of him and in the book the main character is a jewish gay boy i think and he’s an atheist also and he’s um in his teenage years so it’s also he has sexual thoughts um and she just translated it and so she had she was um she had issues because she translated this book in in turkish from english to turkish and um i mean she was not about to go to jail but because we were like from upper class i say now with uh um

she could have a lawyer to get herself out but she had like really problems and i didn’t understood as a child but um it was like not really serious but i think it um it made her really angry that she said she thought herself she doesn’t want to live in this country anymore and she doesn’t want me to grew up in a country where you get um problems with the um police and not police with the law for translating a book because about because uh you write a you translate a story of of a boy who is gay and who’s jewish um so i think it was also about principles i think it uh so she she just did it she took me and we um came we fled out of these political reasons to germany and i i don’t know how she did it because like when i was little i was so angry at her because i had this huge culture shock and this huge racism i i didn’t um maybe i was too spoiled i i didn’t expect that because i i don’t want to say that it’s different in turkey it’s different for in my shoes in turkey but in turkey people are being oppressed too but um for me it was i couldn’t handle it and i was really angry at her for a really long time during puberty because maybe i also i was a teenager and i need to i needed to be angry um but now i’m i’m gonna be 30 in a month and now i i don’t know how she did it like all by herself um fleeing to a country she doesn’t even know the language and she doesn’t have any help um and she did it and she accomplished it and i wanted to do art movies theater even back when i was a little child in turkey i this enter all those interests um i don’t know it’s developed when i was six seven so it was always the plan i always watched movies um with my dad i went to the theater with my dad with my mom and i i went to a child acting school in istanbul so it was always the plan but when i um moved to germany um first i had to learn new language um second we were like because we were um immigrants we were refugees we couldn’t choose where we want to live so i was from this big city and um suddenly we were in a small town in a village um where the racism and stuff is way worse than in a big city i think maybe it wouldn’t be that bad if we would i don’t know go immediately to berlin or hamburg i don’t know but um that was really uh i just now i can laugh about all those stuff but i just wasn’t expecting it i just had this culture shock and um and my mom was also she accomplished it that we were legal here and then she went like um on a depression because she was like all by herself and uh had to learn language and i don’t know it was harder than maybe we expected or maybe we didn’t expect anything we just wanted to flee so i had as a teenager so many problems living in this village

but it was the plan so when i was 17 i said to my mom um i mean she said that to me for years we have to leave this um this village so uh i um i went to the acting school and with her together we moved to hamburg and then things started to get better for me also um so i was happy about being finally in a bigger city and finally with more people who are maybe more interested in art or creative stuff um but and i think i i um for that i was i think with 1819 i had my first role and i started working really young and um and on my own and i’m also proud of that and like the first years i thought okay um it’s not that great uh to play the headscarf lady again and i mean the thing is those roles are very cliche written and very um discriminated without knowing they they think they they the writers are mostly 60 plus uh white men who german men who who don’t um even i don’t know i i think if you write a story about immigrants then you should um be an immigrant you should you can’t tell yeah i mean i i couldn’t tell uh the story of i don’t know of of someone who suffers something i i i couldn’t understand or it doesn’t even have to uh be about suffering it’s you know so um first i thought okay i’m young i’m in the beginning and um i will have to play those roles and then i will get something better and um something i i i feel more fulfilled about and then i was working working working in this business and i thought okay but i don’t watch anything i like so uh there are of course um maybe two three movies or uh one two three german stuff i i like but it’s very rare and um and i thought okay if i can’t find something as an audience i i i love as an audience um which was made now not 100 years ago and then maybe this is it i’m stuck in this turkish muslim roles because i don’t see any non-white actors playing roles without being commented on that they are um non-white uh so yeah that’s that’s the that’s the whole story and and then we did together all these unique stuff and they must die um you’re right since you uh mentioned this i’m my role in leon must die during shooting the scenes i remember we always um came with stuff like there’s the scene when when she drinks beer for the first time leon gives her beer and she doesn’t know what it is because you don’t have that in the future and i don’t know if it was on purpose but there were so many tiny little stuff we came up on set um i i know that feeling i mean of course in turkey you have beer or anything you also have in germany but what i know is what happens a lot because 10 years is is a big part of your development most people in my age who were immigrants they were born here or they came here with three or four when you’re 10 you are almost a teenager you are you know some of your pop culture and blah and i have this all the time where like my friends talk about something relevant um 20 years ago and they all laugh and i don’t know what they’re talking about because the first 10 years of my life i watched turkish tv i read and of course we all know american pop culture british pop culture because in europe we all know english-speaking stuff but the german stuff i don’t know i don’t know the songs i don’t understand the uh the tv uh child tv series so uh this is maybe what i have with aqua and in common that we are from a different world and some stuff we will not get oh thank you for that fascinating um large do you have anything to add to any of that any thoughts or um i mean i could i could only uh add my um my own thoughts on the um uh the the the kind of racist type casting that goes on on german television but i mean you you you mentioned that like there’s there would be anecdotes to tell like just the other day uh we we heard about this uh film that was about uh like a a turkish woman growing up in in in germany and then going to turkey for the first time and and uh in in turkey that would be like this this desert village because we all know turks live in uh uncultivated desert villages and uh that leading role was played by german actress and it’s just like all of that is just so so wrong and such in such stupid ways that i think come on guys it’s 2021 where have you been these past at least 20 years like uh if if you haven’t paid attention to fastbinder who i think did a great job of uh empathizing with those stories and and and and uh telling an aspect of that that he could understand um like if if if you haven’t seen what he what he was doing like at least all the worlds has been discussing this for for um yeah 10 to 20 years now so why um are we so far behind um but i mean that would just add to frustrations we’re happy we’re doing something else i think yeah that’s it well yeah let’s focus on that then i mean would you like to to talk through how how do you start a film project like leon mustai you know how do you get together and figure out those characters and who they’re going to be and because leon has his own complexities as well in that film for example you know and then um the group of young women in the in the other film i’m worried about getting um you know the titles a bit mangled pronunciation but um you know the the the backgrounds that they’re all they’re all coming from you know because they’re doing community service in the forest and that sort of thing you know where where do these characters come from and how do you all work together to create them um i’m i’m i’m gonna um yeah i’m gonna go first yeah okay i’m gonna go first because because i mostly write the uh scripts uh i um i work very closely with uh the actors uh for all of them um when we were developing leon i think nissan and i had just started hanging out again and um i don’t know i i was thinking about how to do a lo-fi science fiction science fiction project i was still having i was still dreaming about getting into cinemas and making something that that that would sort of translate to to a wider audience so i was thinking about how how can i use genre to do that uh and um so so that was that was on my mind and then i think we just had a really long uh about death because that’s um that’s the fun guy i am and i basically just took that conversation which was really long and turned it into a script so um there would be these two characters in its center which i think aqua is nissan and leon is not me but um there would be a lot of this stuff in there that we that we had discussed um and uh so so that that’s how that sort of came about so so so i in that sense worked with with nissan to um to to to to come up with it all and then uh for bear kittens um and later perfomaniacs actually uh we started working with this acting school like nissan said and um that was uh i i was um i was a uh i was a teacher there um and uh i got sort of bored with with teaching acting and not doing anything so um i started developing characters with the with the students um and i had originally planned this was nissan’s idea too um to make short films with them so they could use that for the demo reels uh and and in case of the bad kittens group we quickly realized all right this is this is not a short film um this is this is possibly a feature and uh yeah i mean they they came up with their characters uh they would i had different um different different uh exercises to to to improvise and to come up with with uh characters into intuitively plus uh with characters that would fit them and would be what they would need in a demo reel too um and then would i i would have them improvise with each other and come up with scenes and then slowly we would all see all right this is a possible setting like all the characters you came up with would probably do community service at some point they’re all pretty anti-social um and and then we would we would put the characters in situations together and see how do these interact and then we would think all right you two make an interesting comedic duo so let’s think about that and i think we had half a year uh that it was really looks luxurious in in uh in yes we had half a year of just playing around and then i would go and and have seen all this stuff they would have come up with themselves and then i would just write the script according to that and um it was more compressed with with the next thing we did with that school with pepfo maniacs but it’s really similar too then we made a a web series together uh also called the acting students we worked a lot with that school to fund our projects um uh where we would have uh them improvise all their or their dialogue on on set and then i would just go okay now that thing you said was funny do that again um so yeah from from this very close work with uh the actors on uh on their characters and dialogue i think um i mean i like that and i like the results yeah me too thank you brilliant stuff um yeah so i mean i’ve only managed to see trailers of a lot of the films i haven’t managed to see them entirely but yes it comes across that you yeah i don’t know there’s just um i think i i quite like that there’s a lot of emphasis on on the female characters and they don’t feel like necessarily that the stereotypes you know they’re they are quite rounded and that there’s personalities coming through um and it seems that you have you talk about gen uh about genre and it seems that the films have genre mash up so they’re very clearly they’re this and they’re this and there’s uh you know i don’t know if it’s a clash if that’s the right word but they they match quite maybe i don’t know violently or it just depends but there’s there’s something very clearly right this is a comedy and it’s sci-fi you know or this is a dance film and it might go into horror as well you know and um and i mean those aren’t necessarily you know that that exists in the world but you know there’s something a little bit just a different direction that you’re going in so i think i suppose if people um we’ll put up the links with show notes and things and on our socials and just send people to go and watch them for themselves and see what they think um you know are those are those interactions with genre are those very conscious um or you know you what you you tell me what you’re doing with those

because you write the script okay um yes and no uh i but by now it’s all very conscious um but i used to start from a point where i thought i’m gonna write uh mostly a horror movie now um and it’s gonna be really really creepy but then uh i am most interested i think in in characters and uh characters interacting and um i always find a lot of humor in that and i like when the characters are funny so then a straight horror film becomes sort of a difficulty um like when we when we made uh performaniacs i think uh watching it now it’s it’s hard to believe that i did set out to make a scary horror film and then i was on set and i that there was a moment where i realized i’m on set of a horror film and i’m just rearranging the actresses so uh their interaction will be more funny what am i doing here um because i don’t know um like like most most genre conventions sort of um uh sort of push you to emphasize on on plot more than on character um and i love plots but i i think i love character more and i like to to go with the um with whatever comes from the characters and so uh from there um i always tend to leave the genre boundaries somewhat yeah

i suppose with you nissan for you it’s more playing those characters and bringing them to life and how does that feel for you i mean i know we spoke quite a bit earlier but um you know are you achieving that difference that you want to achieve do you think with the characters um you mean the difference between me and the characters

so that uh different from the sorts of rules you would get in a more industrial setting yeah for example when we made the series the big project we talked about

first the plan was i’m gonna play one of the main roles and i’m not gonna do anything else but then we did everything so i was playing one of the main roles and i was also organizing like everything behind the set and i thought okay i’m not going to be able to act i’m not going to be able to be good at it and i was kind of frustrated but um because i was also production production-wise so into this project i knew like the script by heart i i knew everything i knew the lines of everyone and myself and i knew because we were also going through the script so many times we changed so many stuff we showed it to so many different people and we um listened to so many different people and uh i think during that process i understood the story and the character i hope so well do because of all my production work that i i was the role for these two years i i feel like i was also um once we finished this the series i um i was it was we both uh went into like black hall for a couple months and um and i was thinking about it that uh i i was a little bit like the role during this two years because uh i i was um i don’t know maybe i i was a little bit childish during this two years because she was way younger than me and like she was this punky teenager and i feel like i acted like a angry punky teenager during the years because i was so mad at everything uh during production so i think it happened uh without being on purpose but um like the uh the german industry jobs i get um it depends uh most of the time as we said they don’t want creativity you you get the script like a week ago and um sometimes it can also happen that that that they changed the script like two days ago you just have to learn it really fast and i’m really sorry but most of the time those scripts are really shallow and i don’t even think i don’t even mean it personal i don’t even think that the writers are so bad or whatever i just think that everyone has to work on a system and there are uh rules and also as an actor i think on a more creative stage or film project i’m better than on these projects i don’t want to attack anyone personally but those scripts are very shallow and there’s nothing in it to you know um so i i give my best on those projects too because i i like to um i always like playing i don’t care even if i think this is [ __ ] i like i i have my fun um it doesn’t frustrate me that much like the networking the uh everything around that but there is a huge difference if uh if i play a role which i uh believe in it and if i play a role because i i have fun and i need some money and uh oh i i’m being the turkish gangster daughter oh i’m going to be the suffering headscarf girl uh it’s fun but it’s you know it doesn’t mean like everything so yeah okay great um well gosh you’re you’re both working so hard on everything um is there anything else that you would really like to use this opportunity to talk about or to put out into the world um is there anything you want us to know about about what you’re doing um yeah i think uh i mean there’s so much uh stuff the movies we are of course happy if uh people go and watch it they’re all on amazon prime uh the first three leon must die bergtons and perfomaniacs also we made another another future during lockdown with three actors and christiane and we will release it this year and i think it’s gonna be really good uh but like our main main heart project is the series f60 kamikaze is the name it cost our um three years of our lives it’s it’s still costing it um many many many people helped us like without being paid because we didn’t have money for the project me and glass had like credits for uh took credits for this project so we can make it happen we are in deep depth and there are like i don’t know i think 100 people behind f60 kamikaz so it’s not only about us there are so many people uh who who deserves it and um there were so many doors which were closed shut right into our face we tried like everything to um to find a place for this project and as we told before we are working right now on it to to publish it as soon as we can but we also want it to be great um so just i don’t know people who listen to this should google f60 kamikaze immediately and once it’s published go watch it i think uh it’s i think it’s gonna be really really good yeah yeah uh i i we always have so many things going on so it’s always hard to to to point people to to all of them um i have recently quit social media and started my own website it’s http://www.lasthenrix in and uh everything we do basically is is collected there there’s uh the movies and um i i write there daily because i’m a nerd um and also we’ve just started uh a podcast in english uh just a couple weeks ago it’s called mysterium pictorium and it’s on the last henrik’s podcast international because i’m a narcissist um where i collect all the all the uh english language podcast projects we ever do uh last hendrix podcast international it’s on all the all the platforms uh platforms and we have uh we have this yeah english language podcast where once a week we watch a movie um i once found a hard drive uh containing 300 weird obscure mostly arthouse movies and we’re going through that hard drive watching uh one movie per week and then talking about it yeah we plucked a lot here yeah i want to do a mashup of our podcasts doing something like that that would be fun yeah definitely definitely can we can send you the list of films uh coming up and if you like any one of them just just tell us and then we’ll uh yeah we’ll we’ll do a cooperative episode i’d love that yeah we’d love that too awesome to you right right now i’d love to do that sounds great

oh thank you both so much that’s great it’s great to have your website as well lars and i’ll make sure that’s in our show notes and i’ll send people that way and i’ll make sure i send the links because um apart from anything you need the support and filmmakers like you really need the support so everybody go and watch these films they’re they’re really not expensive on amazon as well that you know if you’ve got prime i guess and you’ll be able to access them easily enough too um well so i think in the unless there’s anything else um lars henrik’s and nissan arakan i can’t thank you enough this has been such a fun r talking to you and i’ve learned loads and it’s been so lovely to meet you just thank you both so much for being so generous with your time and your ideas thank you so much for having us likewise thank you so much for your time and everything yeah yeah and really good luck with all your projects thank you thank you and i’m really looking forward to our collaboration on yeah victorium yeah let’s say it yeah


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nineteen ninety eight she's a German Irish English French and Channel Islands at this %HESITATION slow descent several of the so she's the younger sister of two character funding sources X. part because she plays the she plays the younger version of Dickens's characters in various forms she was also we need poetry right hand in the bookshelves he's the main character thanks to CNN they were right there final results in the sense of just having a a main male protagonist who suddenly turns bad and then it's just rather straightforwardly killed by the mainstream optics and yeah I guess yeah right so we're doing a couple things at the moment and we watched lost in translation yesterday which is great and this is the beguiled versus list in twenty seventeen and has only really disturbs me a Pat on DVD and we're going to go Hey talking to she's defined entirely by the fact that she makes possible movies but even in what I gather all her less stormy in that fight apparently my internet is just a festival of %HESITATION and the bling ring is also slightly on this well how many that might make it past point to watch them yeah so anyway I got a guy who's in the lead the last postal officials but none the less what she does in both of these is that she doesn't like desaturated colors and plenty of colors with a lot of why he said so that when you decide to write them you making pastels the thing about past battles this week we say shit with certain checks right but actually pastors are just lots of white and then a little bit of color makes it faster of course in addition to this just like in Boston translation alongside the road city desaturated quite whitish colors Marxism's park every frame with looming black mountains packed into it and this one in addition to order fast quite low contrast for because there was points in this market moving around going I might just look at the screen from the wrong angle because there's I'm barely getting out months of people's faces I think it's worth looking into does she use a slight diffusing filter everybody is probably important tend to look into the the director of photography and we haven't been paying attention to that sort of thing so it's it's the same person the second systems what do you think the focus of Tory eleven in the canal yeah can second that is right the silence of in homes and let Radovich music track and his father %HESITATION and because I thought with the black lake its interests and Kirsten Dunst's character by the hands because she's the one he sort of brings in a bit of color and the first fancy dinner and play dress and she's shown a little bit of shoulder and then and then then the other one the one where they pulled the rest of them of all conspired with the mushrooms she's wearing a white dress but noted plate at least with black ham some things here the details were custom made really incredible cost savings from the making me pay attention to what people are wearing for assistance and food is such a thing I mean I haven't seen what neither of us is saying phantom thread spot a lot of your vision a lot of talk about the costumes being ready constructing because Daniel day Lewis's character is making them so construction and he's not moving with the times at seven nineteen fifty from London but that fell mess punctuated with phage and fancy breakfasts and eating on the Bengals there's tenors are a focal point of it and the clothes are you can see the construction of the core sets but the dresses themselves aren't necessarily constructing enough but not to the point of the counter anything like they're still a very mo bile third very rough and ready girls you know one of my men on the thirtieth I have two different dresses photography lost in translation with lots of cold and the book office Philippe de so see whether any of these she works with P. two seven seven seven one ferry careful framing because with lost in translation it felt very nice on the visit sort of documentary feel a lot of the time and the framing its I think it probably is precise but its film this affects lace I thought makes sense where is the guy okay it's so tight X. so organized X. there's very clear frames for you can say this is golden rose I'm thinking right now in the very last show with vendors body outside the gate and the seven women %HESITATION quite quite right there was so way off in the background will post to get them back in their threshold space of the domestic social space Kim was slowly moving in or and then a moving toward and by the time the show so I thank a tableau thanks that posing at that point it feels very much like a painting but their their kids to me not star presence you know they have a prison sentence not because they've murdered they've killed this guy but yet they did they're not perfect they're in the shape of the golden rose you know that spiral shaped their positions and not spiral shape with and the frame their stats center of the frame but Barron presents you know and and should have paid more attention like what year is it hi many years because it said something like it's is it three years St to the civil war show there's S. are at least two more years to go I'm sorry eighteen sixty four I think so okay view at night American civil war history isn't brilliant we don't read an article I thought over here I want to go back a bit from planned north and south video games the teenager and cluster still awhile to go listen to her so I mean they're basically era they were imprisoned there anyway and eventually it's for their safety that night they have this terrible guilt you know and there's such a such a big deal made of thick Christiana thing yeah I was in sixth we are Christians with it being a Christian thing to do %HESITATION surprise and then again and again and again for almost every single time it was religious observance with some sort of undercurrent making a mockery of it yeah as miss farms worth saying will you join a surprise as a way of starting to approach of social life with my phone and then the fund to pay close between six to eighteen sixty four American Civil War ended in fifteen sixty five sorry the south is losing I think the telling boys Getty but I think on their Christianity I wonder if it's worth thinking of bites the Adam and eve story because you know there's nothing if original send coming from me but really it's she has a girl with some saying she presents it Adam Adam thanks yeah that sounds good he makes it he makes the decision for himself he can sense today having a gun for self and all hell breaks loose and I think the women and Coppola's spec I'll I haven't seen the first version of the film yeah well it's it's one of those ones where it's a re adaptation rather than and he was going back to the source novel mean reinterpreting it rather than me making the end of the first found yeah you know and I think there's a whole other issue there a photo of the whitewashing because they would have had slaves you know they would have had and the servants who were black not helping them and I think that's as as far as I'm aware that's in the first film and there's nothing there's no trace of thought here I've I've heard people try to make the argument that that's the point this author raised but that's it that's a whole other problem well I think this is historically there was not that big way Amy said all of the slaves of left and I think I started this is the point where they might face a proclamation has been issued by North and if the sun is beginning to lose the war and yeah so populations of slaves becoming aware of this it's a phone call that they would have just left and that's why all the girls are doing everything themselves dividend hard labor and you can see here when they're trying to set thing that China stockholders or whatever in the garden they're really struggling there was the recall of conscious decisions never to actually show you who's in contact with yeah that's going to be just on the bottom so signs yeah okay yes Sir I think the public interest even before it is giving a loss of responsibility to offscreen sound to create meaningful source was hidden %HESITATION but Bailey saying you need someone to take care of your garden this is the volunteering to pick out with him realizing that the amount of labor that plantation life is just not not even it's it's it's fields but yes the main house of a plantation needs masses about keep it ticking involvement where everything grows or we are out there so I mean there's also that just very maybe it's very British saying fifty any end of hello Hey Carol sees me two cartons fans they can take care of the file he smiled and offer hope for that fits with the gun the thing as well as space yeah he's he's up for this yeah he's he's a winner the disorder he makes a mistake he the thing that is needed to yes %HESITATION so I hope that this order was boys need seems to be the whole place distance to put around sixty kind of implicit system because this is a fucking nightmare version one it is another thing of having any initially the very first few shots having any picking mushrooms and then bring them back with my phone and scientific mushrooms at the end of the poisonous yes exactly having to be established okay we can do those ones we cover those and then funds with lights on going okay so we can kind of sort of and you don't do what you did before we had exactly the same framing the first two minutes as a means collecting machines that are poisonous so this is a is a lethal landscape %HESITATION and he gets spent by mosquitoes we have one point his body is just under constant attack you know his his body takes huge minor punishment it sees a lot of violence you sort of before and during the film yeah those shorts of his leg both when he's been it seems that it's not even showing us these been hit by a piece of shrapnel yeah and in the short when he's broken it's like it's like it's like books and then it builds using brick brick abode perhaps it might just have three threes skit but it looked like his leg and rack completely active for you on the status of his body it was being attacked by the environment including by house yeah there's if I could in almost every single one of those shots were still dole if the reviews from the outside it was fine said it we just concede a status in the back the first as we're sitting next to her name I'm gonna hook you up with short durations endless of course it's nice vehicle perfect BFF but I I really liked that because I like being able to study the image and she gives you the time to be that pensive spectator to just watch and explore the image for yourself so they're they're very precise framing spoil their friends and their the focus and so that you can ready wander around and pick up the details UFL very top blue like I think you you mentioned drive or walk to net that had this pictorial campuses effortless photographic from from that era well the the reason that it came to mind this because I've I've had a little bit of experience of seeing photographs from before about nineteen twenty four one of the most common characteristics these photographs it might be to do with the fact that the the images have aged and then when they're actually love Islander first printed is that they have come quite a silver sheen to them although that's probably just one process because several purses and the other is apparently quite a big thing in the eighteen sixties in both the UK and the US was pictorial photography specifically to me a former photography where you do you take lots of still the tables of stone philosopher's cough and then you can manipulate the negatives by trimming little bits from several negatives and compositing the together into a new negative seven printing opposed to from that and it was a way of having things that were really close the image and things are quite disturbing image both in focus at the same time for example is he could actually make a picture of her first off that was a thing already in the eighteen sixties and the photographs they have to slightly unnatural look some of course because too much is in focus they're slightly mysterious where one part of the image joins the next body image and they look to me because it's also highly contrived loads of details they packed into an image like a third pictorial and not specific sense of things it's like three months for free and just like the convenience and having that sheen and I do wonder if maybe what we're looking at here is one of those things where a director has full and couples form is residential movement of her subjects and highly contrived compositions and long short durations and a mysterious throw things verdicts fits really well with my concentrically and so maybe this is just the kind of from where she was going to be drawn to making at some point because she's already doing some of this switch copying artists and photographers and have their and so this might be one of those places where those particular aspects of her signature I've just become quite intense because they're quite well suited to the subject matter is interesting to see whether the suggestions in this for longer than average for Sylvia whether the contrast was lower than it generally is for her of the phones because it did say it was actually slightly north of points but in in a way that north where I went %HESITATION result which is from now in a way when I went this is thank you for saying yes the sizing but then it was probably a kind of realism because everything was calm the let's who's in the room right now which is controlled right yeah man it's not gonna fly yeah but these involvements even when they had ten fifteen candles and still didn't have enough lighten so I think she might have been slightly cheating on pregnant not cheating that kind of reprehensible sense but cheating in the sense of making it so that all of these images with darkened five three for me the way that the film developed through digital post production but if they're on the losing side of it and they're in the side of history that's dying off is running out of resources their light is damning they're coming to the end a lot of the candles for really quite stop basically over time so even if those kinds of details were important this is a way of life it's dying you know this is at the bakery sits gonna die off I kept thinking every time I saw those columns I kept thinking of the streetcar named desire punch to plot to scraping you know her past and her use growing up in a high second she's at the very end of it not so we see quite a bit in the interests of eighty years later but but still it's the beginning of the end of our way of life this is it this is a subject that needs more attention I think in discussing this film because there is a lengthy history of representations of the American stuff specifically in film to the extent only and I've sort of been listen to on this before but they said not only in in in the process of argued that in addition to having a genre called the west we'll also is recognized in American cinema there is a strong record something and it's not one which of course company has that name but it has as big a repertoire of iconography as the west said Weston has costumes as informants story arcs and has problems all of which is specific to the west of the southern has exactly the same thing that's why I was getting all kind of Spanish moss in the first two to three seconds of this film yeah really showing us that this environment has its and lower the accidents the ten went slightly closer viewpoint is a measure to be points where people go and while calling talks a bit different from the way that we talk they're getting kind of drunk drivers to talk and let it like he did but most the time southern accents of that kind of flirty lash two Grammys where it's coming from at its nation best were really intense the highly contrived line being reviewed polite to each other the color to match the frisson of violence on the surface and the sense of gothic proximity of home and these are already certain things AS in that the specifics there's already been a surgical specially descriptive of what it's like to live in the American south African the conventions of the genre I think there's a lot to be said and those contacts of the homeless social life of these women and hideouts violently disrupted by the introduction of this month and then he himself isn't American he's an Irish immigrant who has publicly been flaring well that's an eighteen sixties but there's probably still an art and a dry garden of the effects of the fireman twenty years before the show mass emigration because there's no prospects an assignment that's also a colony of Britain so it's interesting then it's fascinating then he goes to America ends up in New York and then he's almost immediately joining the Yankees %HESITATION mobile this because that's how Colin Farrell told but he said I took three hundred dollars to take commands place so preserving some longstanding citizen of New York who had been drafted and he just accepted yeah you know usually have nothing here this desperate so he took the money so there was that there was a sense of we are never going to leave the environment if this plantation mansion little huge plantation mansion and one of things that will be suggested by the doctor if you never leaving it is that it's cloning this track and of course having a someone who's crossed the Atlantic trying to find himself right yeah but the husband wandered into a civil war figures from one poisonous environment because they lacked it goes into a conflict so %HESITATION and then within the conflict zone gets pulled into another place yeah that's which in a way is probably even more policemen while it's an extreme hopelessness for him but it's even more violence than the one and I mean it's fascinating and you and I do have a recent things sept twenty seventeen you got this movie and so you've got this group of weapons Hey and their own individual ways contrived to a make that smile on their own they're all jealous of each other that he is giving them attention it's all being offered to him on the play it's and he's taking it he consents to certain things he's nice to them he charms them there's probably so %HESITATION levels of manipulation on his part but they're very small and it's more he appeals to them he appeals to their confidence you know he says Kirsten Dunst's character you just haven't got the confidence to go out there and do something else you know if %HESITATION he he's trying to give her that and it's hard to know when he's being genuine and when he's just being charming Casey's and survival modes and you don't know to what extent is the surviving and to what extent is he crying on these women and then things kick off and he's got several invitations from the three oldest of the women and girls and this place and he goes for the easiest one it seems there's a lot of ambiguity around that but here she's the first one basically a purchase ham she kisses him while he's a slave so that's not a consensual acts you know she has invited him three just taking it and he goes to her room and pushing that they she is that her man and it looks like the claim so you get mixed consensual and then she he writes it off as non consensual after the violence thing has happened to you after a I keep forgetting the names but after Carson dumpsters and find the stairs okay so %HESITATION MCAS kinds of moss %HESITATION faces Farnsworth she just does miss month miss Martha okay so my offer was Nicole Kidman's character Kirsten Dunst was critically now Edwina Alphonse got to put on this year and then the younger ones any of the dark hair Jane was the one who played music and danced in order with us Marie was the the one with quite a round face with short dark hair and then Emily was the one who basically said I'm fine motor pools I think I'm just %HESITATION discuss this for a moment that's basically the entire cost of this phone thirty minutes ago Colin Farrell Nicole Kidman Kirsten Dunst and then the one two three four five girls the oldest and oldest of which is our findings contribution and then you've got on the cast list is as it was listed in the credits just two more Gani's who was including the the Confederate captain who gave most of those votes and then the two Confederate soldiers who came in the house you can even see the faces for them as well and of course they would have been a bunch of other extra stress but they said because of the sites that have confederation sort of a confession mating with the kiosks really so there was maybe this is something I pointed out before we started recording it the company seems to be big on everyone does something wrong a smaller or greater extent everyone does something wrong or at least the main female character of the man of god to do something wrong answer nobody is completely free of guilt but the fact that one of two people may have a small degree of guilt for having made mistakes doesn't mean that they deserve what then happens so I think there was an element of the film wanting us to go or maybe they shouldn't have done nothing with the mushrooms because actually he seems to have apologized for having gone so off the rails and he of course had just lost his legs or maybe as a loan standpoint so maybe he doesn't need to die that's a difficult one because he he does threaten to kill them but then to what extent is miss Martha culpable because as she asks for the bullets they wouldn't have firearms if it weren't for her and that is a really hot topic at the moment because it's been yet another horrible school shooting and the United States very recently so it's bringing in but if she's got an empty gun but no plans but she asks the soldier he stops for better it's because she feels safe her with them and you know the whole thing this week has been trump suggesting that teachers be armed in schools so it's a very all its thing to watch at the moment actually and a and a lot of thought just having happens to very %HESITATION it's foreshadowing of thought because she actually end of wavering city enter into the hallways because he wouldn't have a gun the gun was there but he wouldn't have something to shape the may fifth I mean he's basically helpless one suspects going on because I mean the thing is it yeah he's off the side but his arms are occupied by the crutches there's only so much violence he can ready J. on that space that he's on great I mean he makes the threats but it's Wierd sweet he actually really doing it about the questions hanging over the mall and not fair fair the fairings Heidi that drive some bad ones he actually killed someone we don't know if he's ever killed someone I mean he's seen from what we know of him he seen the battlefields and he's run away any not shocked no it's in sort of the back of his psyche as he was running away from the violence this is a month he comes across is not hard if Ireland so he complicates the notion of the abuse of mine because to what extent is he ready the abuser is he the one who spent the goggles has he been beguiled by all the women so you have to have a very difficult conversation so it's a really interesting films combined at the moment and it came right before the Weinstein stuff all kicked off so it's a very precious moments to be having this conversation says hi culpable are women because victim blaming as it's a massive problem and then this film asks a very awkward question as he stood next to him and to what extent is anyone of victims are we old victims here point and then where's the tipping point and becoming a perpetrator of abuse of any kind when he sloshing I used and making threats and he's understandably very angry he was unconscious how can he knows that his life couldn't be saved this is not someone who is medically trained she just working off an anatomy back what if he's right that she made it may use with him and he didn't reciprocates and so she immobilizes him at sort of poses all those very difficult questions from him back and forth on this as completed ten then there was the moment where I was most places to go right no matter what may have many Bernie victim he does deserve to be violently stop was the sex scene between him and a day yes it's really aggressive that's really I mean it looks like she's in pain but it's there something Seattle masochistic avoid it because she lacks also like she's enjoying the pain but it's very hard to tell if she's making faces that are very ambiguous it's one of those things where if you walk in on something and you get justice flash of an image it's very hard to tell with the laughs pleasure opinion the way he was interacting with her is the kind of thing what we're gonna do is in line you need to be sitting down with the mainstream media I have a really big in depth discussion about just what exactly you're supposed to do %HESITATION and then direct and tiny little bits and it did seem to be broken up into three second shots yeah the red researchers have and then you just you and the person you gonna be doing it with it and do lots of market value careful what ready player protests of testing serve how we were going to do it because I was to act as if quite long standing you've done lots and lots of phones really trusting each other not that they were like he has handled FACS kind of tipping her head yeah yeah he's quite powerful girl and she didn't seem to be resisting map tool no that's everything you have to replace them he added to the contract probably felt that up and I would say I mean Colin Farrell as well versed in maths that's all he's done that kind of violence a sex scene that's consensual but it's verging on violence before well it was in a film that I mentioned during watching that that it's an Irish film cook triage area and he played a journalist he has PTSD from being right and I think it was a rock covering the Iraq war and the film kind of slowly unravels Hey if it's really fragmented because you're aligned with him a lot of the time but he's been away for months now he's back and he has secured a grass of sexual incoming chair with his wife and it's really partially done but again if someone he's been three serious trauma and working through it and then again and that the coyotes this is someone who spent three serious trauma and is trying to work through it but it's find himself in this bizarre situation where he's convalescing but he's also a prisoner may not voice is at present the columns have become present bars even that very pretty refined smash curtains and things then Perot George Knapp curtains and things there because like the press and like you're looking right from the start windows almost just to confirm the gun thing I think it's one of those issues that surf pro in U. S. society if you don't think I stand on it and a phone you need to do so virtually invisibly I think that was a really good go doing that where have situation where there was clearly a gun in the house and then %HESITATION main character goes and makes a decision that means that that gun is no useful weapon and then as a result of that it's used against them and because I think we probably would agree that nothing should be done in the U. S. to put more guns into the hands of anyone and that has much to be said for disarming the police that's interesting hi he uses it on the chandelier he uses that to get frustration I mean it's kind of part of the ice crossing dying really it's it's six beginning at the end again Schindler shop was a little bit of a cliche and then there's so many films in which somebody shoots something holding something else up certainly somebody shoots with enough precision to sever road now there's no way he would have been able to change and hit the chain at the top of assembly but it was just one of those suspects and displacements where yes if you shoot the refresh and there is a test with the Senate will full time sh yeah it's not it's more the image on the signs I think yeah that was something that she had to do that stuff really quite violent Saxena is I think a lot of it's actually done the signs you know it's something that tearing the images are so quick to signed is ready to and heavy lifting of telling the secular narrative the %HESITATION the chandeliers while it's crashing I thought the symbolism of the bakery scratching dialing the symbols of wealth and privilege crushing dine around them you know it's not just that they're under siege at stats that world is crashing down around them that's frightening there's something in sevens because I'm going to Columbus for which seems to be this requirement to just ever so slightly lament the loss of the pre war American staff as a way of saying it was right for it to go there because it is included slavery by the way he did it one involves such conflict within U. S. society that the French is still visible and that is something but should have been handled better because that gesture of complicity signed as a way of saying you know these internal conflicts that actually make the U. S. several nations those conflicts are ones that we all we wish had never come around the first place because they will just products of unfortunate misunderstandings a part of that is that these little attempts to try to redeem aspects of the American south now the phone does he seem to be relatively neutral on the incessant mentions of Christianity given that the %HESITATION these motifs of our imprisonment did seem to be one of the elements of the thing that was imprisoning these women yes absolutely yeah I mean it's one of many things it's the costumes it says it's the hair I mean the way their hairstyle now %HESITATION hi how long everything takes like the preparation and having to help each other while hitting each other and being resentful of each other every aspects of this life imprisons them their locks and for safety products they're not safe from each other and and suggest let's say between the mall that really is the greatest problems and it seems like there's hints of it already because I think ferry RD all before John arrives before Amy brings them back our findings character the shit she sort of falling asleep during the French lesson she's fat off their shoes one of the girls says that the musical one she's already saying oh well I just have to say and my father soldiers will come and pick me up there's already a tension there he just caught last set his presence even even I mean he's perfectly affable he's grateful he's very well he is and he's not asking for anything Olivia asks for is can I wash Kaneshiro feel just basic human rights you and he does not quite make clay and maybe he's manipulative and being so nice to them but he has no reason not to face because that keeping him alive he to fight to fight them so he is very grateful weather how much of it's genuine or not he's performing grab a Cheech and visit them he take it too far because they're so hungry for anything else to be happening for sure borders all of them are so fed up with this life of drudgery Seki because it's not just the lessons if all the city of circle on there doing hard labor of the states on top of their lessons so this is not a nice life for these young women on the London knowing next to nothing about couples are now recently learning about it one thing up I didn't know about it was that she devotes a lot of attention to experiences specifics ago and it would be easy to go out this is really pro go %HESITATION relief from FEMA community kind of filmmaking and yet to be pro let's just represent go ahead does not in any way mean that your prime female community Chris for his films master seems to be it's absurd that women and men %HESITATION basically segregating each other in this culture because what it means is that in instances when minimum and do come into contact the tension is so great that people just instantly fall into bed with each other and then that leads to yeah rather than it being a master's thesis of the people and it's completely fine to be a reference to that does seem to be one of the film's message is the same this being an old female environment is harmful to women yeah well I think it's it's a matter of choice it's not because it's if you choose to be an old woman great fame Steph's friend Morris this is none of their choice none of them have made the choice for this debate our lives and then the common presence because they have nowhere else to go they're the only ones left there's just these five students laughed because they have nowhere else to go they're teacher aides there because her hands are tied you know while others people say she can't go anywhere we had so many of the shots of them looking out into the outside world and they could see fines off in the distance at one point I could ever battle happening off the distance and it was clearly given what they saw when they looked out and I was actually people out there given it was always so which is it seems to me very clearly coating the outside world is male and and the mystic inside space is female as far as the thing that led to that that led to suffering was that a male was brought into the all female aspects as president just not very simple structure could have been saying when all female spaces it constituted a drastic and radical breaking of that structure is only going to lead to pain and conflict as if the film was just saying it would have been a more gradual process they are very much tied to the only time they seem to leave the grinds a south brief moment where they deposit the body and then they made it a year back in that gives him a S. C. only one Hey guess sort of anywhere close to the outside world I couldn't tell if the forest was part of the estates or she was going beyond me that was deliberate and it seems that these women were the landscape that they were having to interact with it was the landscape of the immediately surrounding the house inside the wall of the property as well as the landscape those outside as well and so it was a porous environment and that those those first few shots for any brings money back and you can see that there's there's already plans that growing up columns the outside world is is encouraged her to my house source about three condemning it and these people who don't seem to have realized seven in there so long and natures calming Tatum and nature being both the pond life but also the mail coming in being brought in to the fact that they then use nature to get rid of it changes the significance of magic as early on it's the thing that baffles to try to keep arms but then later on it's the thing they have mastery of the permits them to actually resist this encouragement but again that's a ceremony from apple saying it's the for button for each extra mushroom she should make I don't know if it's almost six of snow white traversal that's wild birds the poisons things from nature and social centerstate forever brings a kind of peace to the highest and yet here much in turmoil because they have to live without them and their sort of cramped in their presence in the final show of the right side that they're inside their freedom to and get some columns there barge and even though there are eight sites there are arranged or something a bottle of soda he can sense eating it he wants to eat them because he's allowed to believe that they're safe so he can sign stating them offered to him that's definitely something pleasurable for him and he has four because he keeps taking the pleasure of all things that are offered to him and the nourishing things that are offered to him he takes us so much emissions of him drinking alcohol so it will expose if it's got a garden of Eden allusions in F. one are going to be the messages is that women are not to be trusted it's probably coming from not traditional rating of the garden of Eden of the virgin whore dichotomy which the older of the swimming girls except that you know is that tension between the two it's not really about him it's he's just a catalyst for those baser instincts and they aren't allowed to have both they're not allowed to have something in between I have to have bottle uses a different kind of civil war it's a different kind of internal war that's going on in these women so there's just more reaching right side each for legitimacy for property for nation for I tend to date on a national scale but inside its identity of I'm a good Christian but I really want to fuck somebody hit him time gates Christian and I'm a good woman but I have hires I have the experience thank fun I mean it's one of the youngest kids one of the youngest girls he actually has the idea of killing him she's the one with murderous intent on applying set ahead and the matriarch of this family you know girls and women from swift I think it in me to do the betting so this is in many areas of life giver she is one C. of C. on the most here's her latest Saddam all that she say yes and she even getting soldier necking after him it reminds me very much of that in the spirit of to be high because she does something very similar where she feeds an enemy soldier he is injured and taking refuge she looks after him Senate diverges buffs there's just something about the girl child's being nurture and then the girl child's best nurture being turned by outside forces into something else and J. a potential death career seemed kind of weaponized in a way they weaponize her could it be then that the relevance of the garden of Eden allusion is that this is sort of a delivery alludes to another story in order to show how different it is from that area story because this is one in which the subject of the story is the character is the villain in the first one in the area turn the biblical garden of Eden story so this because that's just well the moment on what it's like to actually be that person in this particular environment in a kind of going back and re re writing it from the girls point of view but that's the thing because she's made out to be the land but she's as much a victim as anybody and not original story it's just she's actively and %HESITATION may not support comes from yeah but it's over elect that Adam consents he unwittingly consents to something that's detrimental to him and she doesn't realize that it's detrimental to both of them she's innocent she thinks she's doing the right thing in me thanks she's doing the right thing she thinks she's saying the right thing when she sees him she thinks she's doing the right thing when she's told to go and collect the motions that will kill him so this is a child who has been weaponized she's the sort of interesting reversal of AT and t's Snow White possibly as well and away with if any is in an even issue character then this corresponding other characters and it was this this the snake in the garden that prompt that told me to do it is it just me or did you hear about all state police as an assigned task because maybe it I thought I heard from all things nice some of the subject is just a single rather he seemed not held for about fifteen seconds but it's certainly a folks next for me right Sir which I think the visit meaning was that miss Martha respect because sneaky character I don't know I mean I think they should benefit and all of them that's the thing it's it's sort of spread across all the most thank you rich Sanders no one clear cut character faithful go motivations are ambiguous I think AMA yes it is sort of I think she's the closest to the victims and the film because she seems to genuinely want to just help everybody all the time and she's the one who gets times for doing good things she's the one who gets sent arsenal the journeys she's the one who gets sent out to state that the ride and he catches her and of course I mean it's just like you know she's only just start there and he's right there I could she now notice him but it's deliberately contrived it files that she's the one who she's genuinely just trying to help everybody and do the right thing and keep everybody else safe and healthy as possible and she keeps getting punished for it and she has to live with a faster he briefly became a supernatural yeah absolutely horrible at that point he says he just suddenly that and then there was a moment where you chase them into that phone and this month a month and trying to help her and then there was some time when they were already in the phone before she got that and I was thinking %HESITATION I was getting my yeah to see this film will go that I thought that this well actually I. phones are going to see your face hang in or could you get here screaming I thought both of China's gotten but then he seemed to genuinely be hurt because he had told her you're my best friend died of everybody here you've been looking up to me and I appreciate you know he it seems like he was genuinely hurt and I'm angry that his friend betrayed him it's really hard to tell if he is genuine or it's part of the manipulation that's part of him the guiding them but not simply getting a title is we don't know who the guy lives as I said one of them is that all of them and %HESITATION having a character reversal as drastic as his where he's he's nice he's polite bit horny doesn't seem to be actively trying to force anyone to do anything that I want to do and then suddenly he wakes up after having lost his leg and he's now the villainy switched to being a villain that's partly reflected in the make up of making his face looks so pale after the amputation that was some impressive stuff I do on the %HESITATION couple seems to resist using digital tools that others are jumping on do you think she's the film's incentive from it would be interesting to know because the fact that the east so much black it was suggested it was still from the telephone because city from I gather even now the film is just slightly better than digital cameras for registering differences between different shades of black right and that this account was actually back to the city from virgin differences between them this is a different shades of white %HESITATION I think you know if you can do something which has lots of different blacks and greys in it you see but one thing that did seem to have been done digitally with this was at certain points taking out as far as like there's parts where he's walking away from the camera on its face a bill that they could have Houston I'm peachy body double this is the whole book to be written on I'm pretty body doubles yep staircase there's a small population of people who can do these acting jobs I remember watching listening to actor common trees for a short of the dad the same cannot silently use interactive %HESITATION PT after show up every day and that they think the wedding Graham yeah yeah but this is a guy who yeah here's a guy who had lost his was a lost is on a biking accident and seventh if for the for the film had to be made up basically looking as he did on the worst day of his life there was one sure when they're coming out the bond I thought that's not Colin Farrell's body shape I think that's probably a body double for them because there's also shops where you can see his face seemed to just be a simple economics at the service of him looking down it is so Facebook although %HESITATION I didn't see that any such person mentioned in the credits yeah you just don't get credited even for them well it's probably falls under crying doctors work it's minutes worth of film probably I would say I don't know for sure but I would guess that she sort of director Haley with pepper and camera the facts rather than anything CG I kind of felt very real it felt very visceral most of the time thank you rich and you know and when they're stretching halfway because you're wincing with pain of hers you know it's really I mean I love the budget has gone on thank set up so we can find a fax for discounts the noises this is the cover is known for visual aspects of what she does but sound design seems to be just to see I think that the sign designer and they had it %HESITATION I think a notice to CM editor Los Angeles station on the battles you know so I think they deserve quite a bit of credit as well because of the signed and that's what I was doing a lot of heavy lifting and the editing is but I think because there's such an emphasis on the cinematography when there are cuts because their fear and further between them may become accustomed to these days that's maybe not less noticeable but it's exquisite work it's really beautifully done and then the parts where it becomes slightly fanatic like the greedy oppressive sex scene from self my heart beat rose I kind of felt caution must be so were you know life I felt the kind of facts from it it was effective so little research tells us to wrap this up with stuff we have to look into that more number of sounds which all screens have your account yeah how many cells on the skin hi this space is extended by the sciences how many shots how much screen time is occupied by a group of seven women all sitting still all seven of them in the front and some sort of group composition yeah there's a really interesting one I think after the dinner and you can barely see Colin Farrell's face behind them because their work or showing the barrels quite brights and the pastels comite for probably the first time because they usually all are kind of shades of whites and creams before then but then it stopped FirstEnergy where a couple of them are wearing pastel colored dresses he's fired a perceptible you can just write see his face and the condo lights behind them supernatural fail to it yeah if you reason felt ghostly a lot of the time and one of them was that they women they %HESITATION the most they had it by way of contact with the outside world was occasionally having some actual humans breeze by and between referring to had her father in Richmond and if it was something which I have the whiff of she's mistaken he's publicly that about to reserve one else was they would have just lost everyone and so they were set to drift from yes Virginia that was the thing it's verging on horror times many times and I was wondering if it's going to is he or a day some sort of supernatural and say because the thing is is that most of these girls and women are wearing white most of times they're closely and Amy I think is the only one who wears any color consistently you know she wears a kind of strike they dress Mr Fred spent stuff she's the only one with consistent color and then add way net toward fans after hot her church of transgression with John it's the white in the box and that shoulders showing she space game wearing her sexuality but is still closely even so there's something about it there is something supernatural ability the hardy soon your bank the rather impress internet like ghosts haunting it there would be none the wiser if they've just been fixed for the time of purchase he has said yeah the release of property that exists occasionally see a few things %HESITATION from ours and which are very very very self sufficient since Aug third leading off the land even though it's brittle and they have to be careful Kelemen anytime third leading office there was a living off a huge one seven yeah it seems because there's booze all over yeah yeah so big on doing counts of how many shots of the film and what percentage of flu shots contain appreciable cafe mmhm it's not the coupler always looks at the camera because that's a keeper your example is always looking for a camera movement seems to be very restrictive that's your strands but it's it's there but it's restrained eighty you you notice the difference between Boston translation for things were kind of floaty and they sent me %HESITATION during and wondering if I any real focus but here it's it's focused its purpose it's considers its precise its restraints parabolic means fire this is the characteristics of what we would call in the ranks is that there is a slightly winsome narrator in lost in translation another major nexus slightly prowling found that missing that final shot as I find it fairly disturbing actually that very slow I was trying to work on aids I think it was definitely a former Tolley bells wondering is this on a crane because it seems quite high up or is it a very high Dolly just very slowly moving in I couldn't perceive any kind of same happening along with the dollar you think it was just a matter was wonderful kind of lance's say so long manager short man's because how much is in focus at the moment because the vicious something by hi this sites for encroaching it just felt like it was collapsing in the tightening on them you have his body you have the body and then they very carefully sewn him up and slowly creeps out of the frame but they're still trapped both within the gates and you you've got the three five Q. three rye coming off the U. tied on the tickets as well marking him as an enemy boldly and box and for him to chopped in the gates to convert doesn't go inside again at films and from eight sites the estate specter also within the columns and their stock price they're not moving the police there they're not may thing or have some fairly small offices yes within the phone might be going you will I'll have the opportunity to stop being Christmas and all it needed was for years just open our minds to this will be accepted and maybe you can just apply for them but you didn't and it all went wrong here is how the negative things going to be from now on making the film a kind of roughly eighty five minute hiatus between their initial imprisonment fines first thing because they were present before but normally I can they face anyone on the outside world's given what they've done vision mantle around them dying in this awful war and he knows that their own soldiers will even get back to them or not because they're saying they have their own survival to think about it they may never pass back there again they may be trapped there forever but fast Corp site site tickets trapping the man really think they seem to be quite confident even though the nose of the south of these in the world he's in a car confident that Confederate troops will be possibly sometime soon and the if the film was to keep happening when a couple of those one of her now seemingly quite routine which is terrific for a few hours ago four zero conflict that day you know some of these jobs for some reason the confident that it'll just be golf the next term effects or binding them the film the scene together no we're not gonna do that anymore it's gonna be them starting it back for a fifth finally crafted throughout let's listen to the whole five civic couple in conversation with Omar thing off the Boston coach right she gets like five words in he does lots of just recording what everyone did and she says of those things she praises her hair and make up people and that's it yeah I wonder she's a behind the counter person and he's an old sage of an actor hello point performer and then Egypt so he's gonna talk about that because she has a name that sellable but that's her second film and his name is very sellable people will go and watch a film for him they won't have heard of anybody else involved in it you know when I can write for the gold about merry and he started today quite a fee and decided that time because he just hates because he started to work with Wes Anderson and he did broken flowers as well which was quite a forgettable film but he was saying off to different and days and not more unusual films he was very KM strong supports this have more styles than books in translation of his car hi credibility industry clearly she's learned that at this point but I do wonder is this one of those examples of having three major stars in your film bringing back catalogs I would say the forward because our findings well known yeah the files so it's safe for a single form for most of the film and all these people bring back catalogs with them which is mixing in color as to the whole meaning repertoire the film which aren't welcome because you know the point where I said you mentioned final is exactly what Nicole Kidman has to do it in far away but should only be consigned to the dustbin of film as some awful how it's the Irish accents make me angry Chris soules snowstorms I have but so she's got quite a week she look in this is going is that from previous roles she's played in court which she writes with some developers are sister without phone in there which is they were sisters coming remember recently go given his team the world's people he just gets thinner and thinner she gets older and she's quite tall very fan she's got a lot of tall elegance but the treaty stated facts skill marmite sh saying it took a while to believe that he was actually going for me because he's usually such a comic five respond not really I mean he I think he's got quite a range within the phone versus yet no I think he's got quite a range because and saving Mr banks he becomes quite violent alcoholic you and he's a straight man seen our sugar industry yeah the company member but he says JDM I thank pretty sure he's gone astray accent you Emma Thompson place should road use Robert Kaufman's for some reason I keep thinking PZ something better yeah it's S. and she used her initials she the husband who she left us in ages before she even started no he was her father straight yeah she took on an RP accent a lot of people don't realize she was a stray again he'll travel or something and he was her father and her flashbacks to her childhood in Australia and Mister banks and my Poppins is based on him because the whole premise of saving Mr banks the film is exploring hi she was because it's a bite the adaptation by Disney Colin Farrell he thought sympathetic figure because he clearly raided offices daughter and she idolizes him but he's not a holic he messes everything up the family is destitute because of him he keeps plays in this job because he keeps during can mess everything up and the bank he's working out and drinks himself to Bolivian dies young that's our thing and he placed out wonderfully case fell of joy but the tide and you're seeing the prospects of the tiles pointed PA but you're getting glimpses of the outer worlds through the eyes of the child and as an adult you can read what's going on that actually he said that he felt the soft the sea world's poorest children both had spared his real life smarter shambles and he's very into life surface wife and children if you could make for the Goa old would you have const your full main characters using stones I thought really something I've thought about it because it's never going to happen but about script writing civic of the shoes now you have sufficient standing to get four styles the player for mankind Tencent ours because these are actors Hary very quickly for me they became their characters somebody like Kirsten Dunst has been neon as being a garland ideas for the flash woman and her phones this is someone who has worked with flowers from trader she's a very mature actress and she became a mature actress at a young age in a similar way to Scott Johnson five say Christian Thompson has matured much more in terms of her roles she's played very serious roles in play characters who %HESITATION for pick before the move will cost via illness versus the discriminations and can you get funding from the studio if you haven't got stars annual yeah the packaging usually else and it's kind of nice in summer because then you've got these up and coming young child actors to style and if you're carrying heavy stuff and doing it very well because that was when my friend VS Marius is the character and the way she says yes by the mushrooms and CSS YH I'd recommend a sentence and then Nicole Kidman reciprocates thought you know there's just unspoken understanding between them all a rising actress who plays Murray is called Addison right I think for people born in two thousand four books instincts she paid herself in twenty four things how may face she's impressive because she did some serious eye accessing and not saying what should not go unnoticed really fantastic cast so would have that gravitas but the older more experienced doctors did not overshadow they became their characters you know they became absorbed in the characters you know I wasn't taking care Saddam strength okay man I was speaking at Edwina and since March %HESITATION this L. funding requests from the resemble parking ticket sometimes you see images of her and I think I have to do a double take because I think that puts me in mind of Cary Mulligan I don't know let's say you're thinking of there's something about %HESITATION %HESITATION knows I think it's similar the same kinds hanging miles from fans then you just makes them look worried I once promoted faster than my idols in my experience there is a local art college the short film I found a bunch of guys it was basically you can spot for his photo was Michelle from about a bunch of guys who are trying to hide from the cops for pay off your microbit gone wrong and one hundred short and they were just shouting at each other in a basement all three dogs were cursing the rise of improvising kind of spend all night out Karen Warren I greet each other and what we did is we just goes into the atmosphere of the scene respects either I don't think we're doing something which has so much artistry it must be so important to get right we have not finished doing that to us we're not going to hi tack good understanding which is completely different from what we've just been active just for everyone's probably sort of freedom and up over getting polluted Barbie yanks the countess replying because everyone just end up in the conflict so I'm particularly skeptical you want you don't want kids to be going after that so much time and it was six weeks of just after health workers will settle into a kind of growing into caring for six weeks of professional acting with members of intensity for four months of two different rest and difference well if you find our discussion of the book I'll interesting or useful please share it and subscribe to the podcast so you never miss any of our episodes they're gonna be in different formats we're going to try lots of different things alright sometimes the baby these kinds of post screening discussions sometimes 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