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Audiovisual Cultures Episode 126 – Game Day with Dean Simone, Val McAdoo and Pete Postiglione

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Paula Blair chats with Dean Simone, Val McAdoo and Pete Postiglione about making their sports-themed family drama independent feature film Game Day (dir. Edgar Michael Bravo, 2021). Each talk through their production experiences in front of and behind the camera, Italian-American culture and family, and growing film production and storytelling embedded in Philadelphia. Includes plot details and potential spoilers.

Music: commonGround by airtone (c) copyright 2018 Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution Noncommercial (3.0) license. Edited by Paula Blair with Audacity. Recorded on 14 September 2022 using Zoom. Get early access on Patreon.

Dean and Paula connected via matchmaker.fm

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hello you’re very welcome to audio visual cultures the podcast that explores sets of different areas across film the arts and media I am polo player and for this episode it was my greatest pleasure to speak to dean’s Simone file market J. and Pete posted on all access and had various production roles and the independent film Kim tae released in late twenty twenty one and tonight quite widely available for streaming we talk about it’s a production process of the film this seems a right place cultural identity and familial inter relationships before we meet them I want to let you all know that instead of every other Wednesday the podcast is making a slight shift she releasing on the first and third Wednesdays of the month I am busy at the moment Swiss paid work and Tobago writing projects all of which I needs to prioritise says site just don’t have enough income from the podcast she justify keeping its shed gill head of doing these other jobs that are giving me income and I’m also relinquishing myself from the responsibility of producing contents every months so if there are months coming up where I don’t have to yep the suits will skip that month this is so I don’t short change our patrons who pay for extras an early releases and I can just pause their payments until thurs content coming up again I want to keep the quality high for all of he and I can do that better if I’m not burning nice and I’m not getting stressed so I’m sure you’ll understand and I hope you’ll agree that ice being consistent for four years some of you haven’t been around for that long some of you have you know if you’ve been here from the start you know initially we started off weakly then after I think about it six months or something dot became unsustainable because I’m doing this by myself and then we switch to the fortnightly format which has been working really well and it allows me to catch up to my south after years of really struggling I’m not only actually getting really get paid work and as a Sam I just need to prioritize stop because the podcast has remained pretty stagnant in terms of getting an income and I’ve tried to do the whole really plying everything and see it and and everything and it hasn’t really quite worked so it’s working in other areas of my life and I need said go where the money yes really hopefully we’ll keep enjoying audio visual cultures as sweet path it very slightly T. twice monthly which worksite really not much differently at least not for awhile and then there might to speak out months and then hopefully you’ll enjoy this all the more when we come back okay invigorated its hands not to spit and stuff but for the sake of it my huge thanks to see our patrons out to pitch the on dot com forward slash AV cultures and everybody they sang he has reached ITS feedback and basis on socials this whole really helps other listeners find the show and learn from our fantastic cast I had an absolute blast recording this with Dane file and pastes and I’m sure you’ll really enjoy this conversation take a thank you so much for being on my show and I love my babies I love speaking see independent film makers and it’s just so exciting to connect with people across the Atlantic as well dean Simone follow my Kitty and Pete Pocic Leone thank you all so much for joining me on audio visual cultures at youthful been unfolds and making at quite a special independent sports themes family drama feature film called PM day which we’re gonna try ends slash I’d a little bit and I understand it’s very much teens be a baby as a co writer of the film as well so we’ll do that in a moment but first of all it would be fantastic to get some voices attached to those names so it’s okay can I go awry and everybody if you’re happy to just introduce yourself tell us a little bit about yourself and your involvement in the film that would be a great starts sounds good %HESITATION dean Simone and %HESITATION I was one of the co writers and co producers on this and I was one of the actors in it it’s well we shot it back in our home town those guys live there now I’d like to live there in Philadelphia so %HESITATION we definitely brought a little bit of Philly the camera I and now I’m acting here %HESITATION I eat the card and Jeannie for tankers take great heart to Frank and %HESITATION I helped produce the film as well and we shot in my home town where I live right now which is why first name right outside of Philly south Philly Philly born and raised hi my name is Pete because the ground I also helps to produce the movie %HESITATION and I was the first assistant director on this as well as our small part is checked in the movie okay the name we still why you chose that name but I remember you telling there was a real person it was it was a boyhood friend so that okay this is a lot there to try and tease a he does we go sorry then that’s wonderful thank you so Dana I think because you you co wrote the film if it’s okay can I get you to give us a bit of an eye nine of the story and tell us a bit about your character the main character’s lack that’s all right yeah yeah well it’s really about family and it’s about family dysfunction and family function as well that’s about it really old coming to a crescendo on one day on a Sunday when like %HESITATION everybody in Philadelphia does on Sundays during football season we all gather to watch the eagles it’s a big family get together it also happens to be in the story my oldest son Vince’s birth back so there is a quite a bit of a family drama that kind of %HESITATION old hits it one time it’s a lot of things that have been building up for awhile some of the family members have been avoiding each other this is a situation where they cannot they’re kind of thrown in an arena of the house together and then to add to it all it’s %HESITATION the eagles first the cowboys which is our rivalry so generally when that game happens emotions are high and %HESITATION emotions were already high but %HESITATION it definitely exacerbated the situation so it’s just a lot of %HESITATION a lot of family stuff a lot of I am food for any end and file to cheat then tell us a bit more but GMAT what’s going on with GMA and the film sure well it’s Jamie at this point knows that there’s kind of something going on with her husband and the axe I think you she’s preparing to have everybody over you know on this Sunday and she kind of knows the drama that will go down but then when she finds out that Michelle the axis coming not real happy so %HESITATION that’s pretty much is going on and I think that you know Jamie kind of represents a lot of women you know in that stage of like marriage and everything there’s a low and I’m sort of there’s a decision that needs to be made about her relationship with her husband and also she kind of struggles with their relationship with their mother as well which I think it’s pretty much the pre determining factor which makes or even marry a man like Zach anyway Hey what’s that yeah I reasoned that you actually I think that that’s me what’s the psychology behind Jamie okay that’s really interesting and so this mysterious caps and what’s going on with caprese cap in this story Richard was a space later in the film as Jamie’s new %HESITATION husband yeah %HESITATION you know this as years have passed they think they both have moved on and we basically get invited to dinner nana this act characters restaurant managing decides to go there in the end well I don’t want to give it all the rulers yeah yeah I think the drama and I’ll say it they won’t but these two in this film really drives the story I think in families in general whenever there’s multi generations and sampling there’s rivalries that exist whether they’re supposed to or not and this really is a good hard look at that and there are some strong women characters in this film you know because grandma lives with with Zach and Zach’s home and I know she’s a strong character and she’s inside her give him that space if they’re strong women you know and and the characters about place Jamie super strong so I think it’s just it’s just a raw look at family you know what happens to be about Italian American family and sometimes there is that negative vulcun Bach on occasion or you know that mafioso connotation here but you know you take away the Italian American and I think a lot of people will cut doesn’t resonate with a lot of folks out just family in general and the rivalries that exist within the family thank you and that was something I was going to ask actually because being based in the U. K. and I think for a listener she would be on this side of the Atlantic so in U. K. art and Europe and further afield it would be really nice said if you guys could flashlight that kind of intensity because we really only have access to that taglyan American identity through the likes of mafia films and that sort of thing and it would be really lovely C. look at that more in a domestic sphere when you bring up a really good point which is unfortunately and I think all of us can say we all like the sopranos and Goodfellas and godfather as much as anybody does but the preponderance of Italian Americans are not in the mafia okay it is a minute amount of people that actually are and %HESITATION really what the film really is about is about family and Pete said it well and it’s true I mean it could be anything we’ve gotten such a since he got released in to be an absolutely I’m more folks got a chance to see it which were really happy about is that because we’ve just had some such strong reactions from people and they’re not Italian southerners you know who are we gonna waspi southerners and people in California and Hispanic people and African American people that we now we’ve gotten so much response because it really the Italian aspect is it’s just a flavoring but it’s not really what it’s about what it’s really about is being true to yourself and navigating to the Mays family which is not easy and anyway four and I think if I can add to your arm yeah definitely it’s nine element I like the team that is like the flavoring in a way because really all families are like this especially in this day and age where you know they’re step kids and there’s yeah my people are moving in with their parents or their parents are moving in with them so you have a house filled with all these different generations and you know things like that so I think that people can relate to it that way they’re being Italian not but I can say that also being in the Italian American in Philadelphia there’s even like an added I think because I mean lots of times tutors like the Philadelphia version and then there’s New York yeah there’s a very strong presence that like a Italian Catholic people in Philadelphia so with that being said I think that really all cultures can definitely identify with this %HESITATION it especially the dynamics of the family with all of the people living together and then forget my two stepsons like I really I love like a lie because I helped to raise them you know when Jeannie up to research at the same time like one of them dressed me not hello we don’t know exactly surplus right I mean I grew up my my parents are both from south Philly so those Sunday dinners were every week a family meal and it was brave for dean to write the story of his family but at the same time that wasn’t anything new for right it was just yeah I don’t mind my dad comes from nine and he would be arguing all the siblings the end of the day they just give each other a hug you kiss on the you know it’s you can see you next week type of thing so but I get all families are like that I mean I you know do you have siblings Paul I do yes I have an older sister yeah you’re just talking there Pete it’s reminding me of my childhood and the big Sunday dinners with the family and everything yeah right you didn’t know annoyed anyone it’s funny how this all works out because you know Pete knight and scion earth gruppen jelly so it just the way that all of this went down with like auditioning for this but we’re truly authenticated right like we ended up coming here which is really cool because spend most of the cast you know had accidentally entered the teacher with yeah that’s it you can browse making the accent was like we’re all set we we you know it drives all of us crazy collectively here Yorkers doing able Pete Pete was in silver linings playbook yep he was an actor it’s everybody’s playbook it was one of the few people actually had a Philadelphia accent it it you know I mean it’s like you see these people and they everyone thinks that on a Philadelphia accent is a New York accent and that would be sort of like saying that an Irish accent is the same as a %HESITATION a northern England accent or you know %HESITATION sounds the same it’s close but it’s different in a lot of it begin ways and %HESITATION we try to really keep a tribute to that because we felt like it it added to the credibility and I mean it was it was Philly made all the way we had the food a lot of the sponsors were %HESITATION stakes in DNS ravioli and okay he’s yeah yeah and then like even at the arm premier Kerr goes deep that totally Jenny yeah yeah I mean it was in it you may now sign there with a cab driver so it was a good authentic like we we tried very hard to make it as authentic as we can it was it wasn’t a strong representation of your because I routine sometimes in movies kind of beer away from I don’t know too too far away from that short you’re trying to portray it’s a parents in the audience and the minute you step down I mean that the opening scene it’s like oh I know exactly where I am right there’s no pretending there isn’t you know it’s you get right in and and to that point the acting across the board to pay back to us and we helps to cast about ninety if not ninety five percent of this movie yeah you guys did it up absolutely and it was across the board spectacular I’m the performances are spectacular and there’s you know there’s not an A. Lister in the bunch but I would put them up against any A. Lister because I think that this movie is that strong and this one sitting right next to us through such a transformation armed with their character and dean also like you when you watch a story or watch a movie and you’re looking for that character to make a change you’re looking for that internal struggle these two it’s really it’s so good it’s so good it really is well I tell you what when I went back there and I didn’t I didn’t know these guys you know so %HESITATION I was so excited to go back home to to begin with and to make the movie back there and then %HESITATION beating these guys it was incredible I mean they probably tell your you know people always think that %HESITATION you’re in Philly so okay well you know it’s more it’s more worldly in New York or there it’s more worldly and Londoners more worldly and in LA and it couldn’t be further from the truth I mean these guys have done all kinds of incredible work as actors is director I mean I was really honored to be there and work with them and I really felt we felt when we were doing it that we were doing something special and then there were times when we butted heads there were times when we got on each other’s nerves because I mean this was like true independent film making I mean we work we were eyeball to eyeball twelve hour days man it’s like I got two hours sleep last night I was staying in this hotel that was like in the town is gorgeous it’s right outside of Philadelphia all this counts worth more media I’m just just their incredible but all I got in one hotel that was like still not gorgeous in line god I believe he chose that one the land wire yeah it is you would literally takes you to a better what a good man there’s no doubt when they dropped me off at four PM PDT everything was doing a million different things on the stat drops me off and we’re talking in the car and this poor guy had like maybe three hours sleep like like literally six nights in a row these guys would sleep in the work and all day on the show that you know I mean it was nonstop and denied having this great conversation all three of us clicked so well for different reasons than just billing got along with each other so well or sit in the car and peach like listen I love you buddy but I gotta go you gotta get out of my car my wife and I’m like this guy is a man after my own heart which is a fallacy exactly black especially with cleaning right now I’m just gonna say you’re like oh you know this truly was like an indie found and you know we’re all kind of low budget cutting corners and we actually we have some of the people stating that you are not the only okay deny are very much a clean a lot of the time people are quite honestly right late late teens it’s mom I’m in our kitchen is like immaculate rain I’m like super crazy some of the people there were nice and not so much smaller S. nine Greece curling is I’ll even we’re getting rid he these two right well give us thirty minutes set out to clean it before we did it because it wasn’t it wasn’t clean enough for the way dean try to get you noticed it was okay Dick Italian kitchen I mean about you can’t just so so we we help no real time we had seen it myself it wasn’t a production al yeah X. lean right way around here I text this weekend my wife texts or because I was clean our bathroom she she was taking pictures of the click after I’m telling you I can’t tell you Risi with that kind of stuff order is like yeah I dislike the way global on that thing you know I mean you know we were yeah but it’s great when teams like for like any picture and she’s like look at this you scream like that your the grout looks on the yeah now that that tracked me and it’s about the grout that’s exactly it well you’re welcome right near anytime Dane I would like to bring you lace well take a flight out here are you right now I’m in the north east of England seven Newcastle upon Tyne okay this is where I’ve drifted off today yes ET in England’s first semester and I am your mind and then university of Essex okay you too much warmer than where I am up in the Norse there were you originally from I’m from Belfast city you got you got it you heard it yeah yeah I’m from Belfast yes so I mean it just here you’ll talk and cheer everybody really mucking in you know I’m from a small nation that’s really bought land to get any of its own industry so I’m absolutely hearing you when you’re talking about getting accents writes I heard enough dodgy old Xerox by the pros you know so it’s certainly I’m absolutely hearing it all from Serra this is just this is Goldie no this is great it’s great to hear this because we don’t hear enough of stories behind independent filmmaking in the U. S. because it’s so over saturated with Hollywood filmmaking and so this is just so valuables here but all of your adduction experiences as well as %HESITATION the actual film itself for sure really exciting and an invalid peaches that are really really need film with %HESITATION kids they they also run a %HESITATION in in an acting studio in school for our kids and that they they just made a movie called the seven which is terrific and they have %HESITATION do you know they have a lot of the kids that they teach and kids in the area are in it and they just do a great job it’s just really really awesome and %HESITATION I think we need more that you know people people viewed as provincial and think that that means in some respect that that’s a bad word and I think that really that’s really where things are headed you know I mean I really think we need more more of that because let’s face it I mean the world is %HESITATION it shrinking you know it’s it it is it is really changing so I think that %HESITATION when you can give a real flavour of an area but let people know Hey you know what this is not much different than what you’ve got happening in Marietta Georgia or this is a much different than what you have happening in Idaho or or or anywhere it says a lot and I think that %HESITATION I I I can’t speak for these guys but I know that again since the movie came out game day aren’t going out to be I’ve had so many people see it and I’ve had so much of the same reaction where I got my stomach was in knots and it’s a very funny thing because I can’t speak for these guys but for me I would say that my stomach is in knots when that kind of trauma exists in our families I don’t think we have drama bad bad obviously it’s fiction not a documentary but %HESITATION people really get surly really feel it you know %HESITATION it’s so nice it’s it’s a taste of what it’s like on a Sunday in an Italian family yeah every piece of that this function is I was like this is not the birds in yeah right clean is slash but my dad always used like I like what you’re saying about you know these independent sounds like the flavor of that particular area I love that my dad always used to say same only different and it kind of makes me think of that because yeah we are all the same in so many ways but sometimes it’s so beautiful to see a big difference you know to see those little idiosyncrasies of a particular group that just makes them so unique you know about independent films you can really see that you can really appreciate anything really feel that you know what it’s like to come from a certain area whatever it is you know in our director Edgar Bravo did a really excellent job it and %HESITATION really it’s it was like procuring talent and then letting the people do what they do and then he was a really good true north was saying that’s bull crap that’s truthful you know he really he really did a lot to get a real honest performances because no matter how good or bad actors I don’t care if you’re like a master like Jeff bridges eight we all have trips will have little tricks that we fall you know you know it’s it’s a conscious I mean peace Pete directs to bass started direct as well I mean so he could speak to that probably better than I can it’s really hard to get actors to move away from their little tricks little things they do what do you think about that P. I agree with Edgar’s approach to this actors will tell you all day long no I can do it that number track so yes I agree with you dean could endure endure with throw ideas at the actors and being the first day day I literally standing next to him pretty much every shot and I would look at him and I’d be like where is that coming from the field but all it did was a listed these responses in these actors you know that may go against the grain of what the scenes about but it’s it was a tiny little instance of of a reaction or a tiny little moments he would grab it and to that end the guy shooting behind the camera last three which brought yep he he made this from the pictures in this film are starting the lighting you may not know this until I tell you but each character has its own lighting scheme which I thought was just amazing and I didn’t know that until last told us and then he sent us pictures demonstrating how the different hues and the different colors were utilized for different characters and that could just blends right into the movie but if you’re really paying attention to the cinematography you notice that absolutely said searcher and I also well I would be remiss not to mention that %HESITATION the person who played my father an attorney Devin he passed away yeah and %HESITATION Tony was a a brilliant actor such a good hearted guy and %HESITATION I’m really glad that one of the last things he did he got a chance to do something that was really %HESITATION deep challenging thing and he crushed it so love to Tony and we ought we miss them I think about him all the time these guys have noted much longer than I have %HESITATION but I really enjoyed the time that I work with them and and we we missed some so %HESITATION so yeah when you watch the film yes that’s one of his last performances and he crushed it degree right yeah you know what it was this last major performance and the thing is that it’s funny because we were P. nine you know we read the script and then once we decided after you know speaking read at current John and scenes of the Grassley mirror you know the production here in media rate will rerun characterless in I looked at each other and leverage our band we are like at you can amen amen dition for anger and anger is soon as it was that you just over there everything that are you kidding me yeah I know it’s like you don’t like you know like we could have found a better person to play against solid so it was such a good he’s a solid actor and he is from a very young age she used to be a singer on Broadway in New York in the transition to film and television and he has done everything that you could possibly imagine in many high profile situations both film and television but sad to say that sometimes the older you get you don’t really get these meaty roles in that you used to and the minute he read this he was like I love this yeah I want to do this and we were all all of us were honored that she decided to do this because he he really did a tremendous that’s one of his best performances while he said that he’s like yeah I’m I’m really proud of this yeah really not of it and he went out like I said it was like it happened for me yes don’t get us wrong but it’s the best way is Paul all the best you know all the best ways just to give a shout out to the whole cast body only who played my mother brilliant the awesome woman Nick Mike my middle son who %HESITATION just a just a handsome charismatic awesome actor Mikey played my oldest son was just I mean just brilliant just great presents great great acting great job Machel who played my ex really was like just got the essence of of what it’s like to be broke in and be in that situation that she was in who am I forgetting guides I mean obviously Val and Pete both awesome as always I’m working with Val was so great I just love doing the scenes with her and it was like actors like it really is like playing tennis you know you’re volleying back and forth and it was just such a treat to going back to go back and forth with our and it was with PT we have a really nice scene at the end there to do it I just these guys are great and %HESITATION Philly actors don’t get near near the amount of respect that they deserve people don’t realize how many awesome actors you want to just keep making films in Philly so that’s the next step and the thing is that we I just down our hardest scenes the first day zero so even when I was you know it but actually I am so glad that we did and and %HESITATION kind of talked about how important that is to do that anchor I really did I mean what extent tastic teacher’s name and I learned from all this that he said you know when you throw it Schering characters in a given the hardest scenes first it kind of sets the pace for everything else foundation and the white guy not like we just can’t act and it just works like we did and from the beginning on the stairs that date it was hardly worked at all with the ship not on the phone I think we did a facetime call or whatever was just gonna introduce ourselves to one another say we’ll be working together for the next twenty days and and then yeah it was like you know when you meet someone and you feel like old friends yelling you know and that’s the way it feels with dean which is why he calls us the triplets yeah I mean I did this ridiculous get calls when okay finally what you like and you should it’s like the trick %HESITATION so really trips are %HESITATION we’re looking to make more movies policy amazing ad that science and toss say they there’s been so much insight from this %HESITATION quite short conversation I’m just wary of time because we’ve only got a few minutes before as in Texas self testing could you just Sam remind everybody where all the combat system see if mention TV which is available I think for U. S. audiences but just more broadly where is it available for people it’s also on Amazon %HESITATION prime rental and %HESITATION to be is the current streaming deal right now but I’m there is going to be more NVMe %HESITATION it’s also available on video as well and we’re good we’re looking at %HESITATION also more platforms that are coming down the pike and %HESITATION that is not our area of what’s happening so they tell us where it is and we let people know but for now it’s it’s to be Amazon prime and DiMeo and in other countries the best way I would take do you go about renting it is to go to the website what’s the website again being WWW dot game day the movie review dot com and I got back yes whether or not you asked you know %HESITATION absolutely are you gonna put are you going to put the website like right there when you right and they show no that’s for sure and I’m making sure everybody yeah because in check said I it’s it’s just always so humbling just hearing from Jobing filmmakers and actors and everybody wore working their socks off to put it very mildly just keep chugging and keep trying to G. what you’re nothing saying it I mean it just what you’ve achieved is just so phenomenal and absolutely it feels it feels very like regional sentiment here in the U. K. and our dentist while what you doing those and those some lesser known areas of such a massive place so it’s really cool for people like me to learn more about each all of that does anybody have any very brief closing thoughts anything you wear BT burning to say that we have on call teachers so we have a couple of minutes I I think yes maybe we touched on this earlier but I think it’s it’s fair to say and he mentioned that there are some really good actors here in Philadelphia pockets of people exist everywhere right but Hollywood or we assume that you have to go there yeah and we are living proof that that’s not true the hardest part of our puzzle is making sure people see a great movie and that’s all we really want to do at the end of the day yeah having millions of dollars will be fantastic we all agree but we still are going to make great films and we want people to see so the more we do stuff like that so when we meet people like you all up and get the word out there about these films I mean it just helps and thank you problem because it’s people like you yeah okay right now absolutely many independent aren’t seen because you know we on that budget to market like crazy now exactly yeah Preciado great sounds and and tastic stories or really touch your heart you listen to podcasts like this thank you thank you yeah I echo that sentiment as well Paul thank you for having us it was really great talking to you and we did our best to tell the truth and I can tell you one thing in the in the Philadelphia fashion %HESITATION it’s all about never quitting and it’s all about giving it all you got and %HESITATION we definitely did that’s we want people to go out there check out game day if you love the classic films like main street and you up all those great seventies movies that we all well you guys can grow up with maybe I would very young but we definitely try to tell the truth and we definitely try to bring back a style of cinema that we really feel is important and so we hope everybody sees it and we we hope it touches everybody thanks so much for having us we we sure appreciate it I’m missing thank you all thank you have a great rest of your day

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short tracks we haven't even seen an apparently nor dax is %HESITATION me as an on hiring yes and there's twenty episodes not already hello and welcome to C. audio visual culture is the podcast that boldly goes say that collecting and disseminating arts and culture approximate time call up there and see I have a surprise for you the new year listeners may not know this but I used to have a closer to show established listeners please join me in welcoming back Dr Angie she she'll play G. like set have a good explaining what we're going to talk about saying we are going to talk about and that's content to constitute over fifty one thousand articles on memory alpha the Star Trek wiki or at least we're gonna scratch the surface of that because even though we have watched six hundred ninety six episodes of Star Trek across six series wait we have used this pop them next time while we have not finished watching all of the Star Trek and we never will what kind of if we done this back if the world had organize itself better and how to pandemic back in about twenty sixteen we would have watched all of the Star Trek and that would've been it we would have gone tech stock check done but since what's known as the Alex Kurtzman area since he took over as showrunner discovery starts going crazy recently so although we have now watched three seasons of discovery on top of seven seasons of Star City next generation seven seasons of Deep Space Nine seven seasons of Voyager four seasons of enterprise and a season and a bit of the original series case for if anything and some of the films yeah we even though we've done that and of course in completely the wrong with that that's still a mountain of Star Trek yet to watch and it's being me is strange you wrote this for exciting I love what's happening with spike it's very important character so there is no point in trying to go into the chain much detail there's gonna be loads of stuff again and the fight so I think very quickly some honorable mentions say amazing music scores strider tests usually ready awesome so we'll see if we can circle back to at any time so many incredible actors directors %HESITATION ares production just really awesome %HESITATION there's so many recurring actor she aren't part of main costs but we keep recognizing and they keep going back in the PDF by aliens and heavy prosthetic makeup is that lots of people get to come back across all sufficiency research is really fun so many big questions so much to get into the merry anniversary it's it might be made %HESITATION I love everybody Panfilov said is there's just so much today so I don't know if we can hope to see much justice but I just think we've really wanted to send China plate this journey that we've been on together with state really leaving I think so I can find but I suppose it be nice to say is that it's but this time this will probably come light it will be a solid year and a half since she's been on the show I need pretty much started status podcast with me any words of I'm sure that we kids foster many rooms schisms that have full between you and I and I'm sure if I'm sure you'll many lessons have been coming up with their own fantasies about what happened between you and I but I have simply been watching a lot of Star Trek with you initially sitting next to me and then increasingly going where has the speed you know my and the watching is taken over from the sitting down and talking about it you know you still don't see it so much we cannot assume when we talk about it for two hours and that would be it that of course Star Trek will never be finished therefore we have to and lest we just at some point brit the plaster off quite painfully and go right we'll now talk about just the six hundred ninety six samples that we have watched I know it's not ambitious insoles struck by that many opposite but we got those down and we'll do another one about the remaining at least five sixty episodes that we haven't watched because because deplorable we haven't watched the animated series from nineteen seventy three to nineteen seventy four although I do remember when I was a kid and because in addition I have been helping my employer read plan it's teaching turns ever so slightly accommodates two a pandemic that's taken a little bit of my time well I saw something quite fun to sit back and watch you gotta make friends amongst various humans you can make contact with via the internet these days you're free show it's fun just to hand on the baton of other people producing your free content for free so tell me how much do you make your patrons give rather causation number two hundred eighty six if giving away a podcast for free never ask patrons for a specific amount of gold pressed latinum we got a few preliminaries we need to establish in this %HESITATION put costs which I think might be a little this particular episode whatever's records might be a little bit longer casts as the other ones right so this is the way that Star Trek books you got the series that was just gonna start track which is closed down and started a business series the ad between September nineteen sixty six in June nineteen sixty nine that was seventy nine episodes across three seasons you got started the animated series September nineteen seventy three to October nineteen seventy four which is twenty two episodes across two seasons he got started the next generation between September nineteen eighty seven and may nineteen ninety four that was a hundred and seventy eight episodes across seven seasons with twenty six episodes in every season except for season two or ten twenty two episodes and we don't talk about season two the number but we will talk about season two and then starting but part way through the run of stars and expiration which we will call TNG we we we got Star Trek Deep Space Nine which ran from January nineteen ninety three to June nineteen ninety nine almost exactly the same as T. engineer had a hundred and seventy six episodes across seven seasons so Beijing because at this point and if we're gonna do seven seasons and then we just stop we were trying to go on forever your standard Voyager which started in January nineteen ninety five again parkway three deep space nine that run until may two thousand one hundred had a hundred and seventy two episodes across seven seasons again twenty six episodes in every season except for season one in that case which had just sixteen then Star Trek enterprise from the twenty sixth of September two thousand one the thirteenth of may two thousand five rising ninety eight episodes across four seasons with twenty six episodes in season one twenty six in season two using the patent being established here twenty four in season three and twenty two in season four and that was it in season four wraps up very quickly because clearly it had been canceled by that point which had a lot to do with it having debuted in September two thousand what knock on effects and that is very unfortunately timed I thank I felt ready sorry for enterprise I think they deserved a lot more there was so many accidents storytelling and emissions the world went into a very dark place and television became very dark and it just had no truck with these explorers going also domestically making new friends I'm actually probably convinced that if they just had a different features the whole success of the show would have been different possible yeah kind of perfect evil storm of anti storm of what was there again and I'm to be extremely precise it wasn't cold Star Trek enterprise until episode three point three up until then it just goes into the relationship to Star Trek was quite arm's length initially then Star Trek discovery which runs as started running on the twenty fourth September twenty seventeen I would just have three anti seasons the season four started on the %HESITATION in November twenty twenty one to republics of season four well that was the one where we had started to watch it on Netflix and then it just wasn't there this thing happened and then we find out what happens it just been taken off everything ahead of it airing on power lines plus I think here in November and so we were left stranded in the mirror universe and sees I actually had to borrow DVDs this it felt very pleasant and %HESITATION and so started discovery ongoing is accompanied by a short season of shorts tracks which I'm not counting after this episode's between twenty eighteen to twenty twenty others seem to have stopped now yeah I'm sure you'll your listings of correct that one you got started comment which started in January twenty twenty is now have ten episodes in its first season at a second season set to premiere in about a month started lower decks which started in on six August twenty twenty and has had so far two episodes across two ten episode seasons Stantec prodigy so we started in October twenty twenty one is part way through its first ten episode season and Star Trek strange new worlds is scheduled to launch in the middle of twenty twenty two an abstract we are most excited aren't we given that it was set up set up in season two off discovering right so that is what Star Trek is an over at we've watched a season in the base of the original series none of the animated series all of TNG all of deep space nine which of course record the S. nine all of Voyager all of enterprise the first three seasons of discovery and that's it that's how six hundred ninety six seven zero six the series and then movie wise you got the star treatment the motion picture in nineteen seventy nine star trek to the wrath of Khan in nineteen eighty two and this too it was tossed thing that's been added by firms you know it's this number was on the post is is the name of the shop said the numbering applies for a bit so static three such a spark nineteen eighty four stomach for the voyage home nineteen eighty six Stantec forms the final frontier at nineteen eighty nine centric six the undiscovered country nineteen ninety one Star Trek generations the number has disappeared nine nine four Star Trek first contact nineteen ninety six which we do walk if you or any other matter was at Star Trek insurrection in nineteen ninety eight one of the like if I thought this is just a long episode and I really just enjoyed it and data cop today fun stuff on the cutting face stretching as run mostly remember from that that in having one's face being stretched could kill you wouldn't just really hurt mutilate you Kerry I still think nemesis in two thousand two Tom hardy returning Tom hardy young Tom hardy and that's it for the films in that timeline because two thousand nine a film called Star Trek J. J. Abrams's Star Trek started what's known as the Kelvin timeline and that's a parallel universe reboot so it's not a review in the sense of right and once we get that all the original stuff happened as spider man has repeatedly done during our time no Star Trek does reboots probably it goes someone's going to go back in time and crashed Powell universe at folk universe phenomenon for which there is precedent and this shows we're going to get on to forking universes later Carlisle's worse and TNT I'm robin successive films not from choice well it franchise is still the same franchise but in that element of the franchise the Kelvin timeline %HESITATION including Star Trek no code on into darkness in twenty thirteen and Star Trek beyond in twenty sixteen I am expecting more films one thing I I have to get down right off the bat is that we have out of these films watch very many together every week because generations first contact insurrection and nemesis for TNG ones here same thing either but we haven't sat down together and watch the original series films I think I've as a child I may have seen the force one that's the only one I have any fique memory cells more just because of the way %HESITATION and then they're on travel sentry yeah that's all I remember about it and I think we're waiting to finish watching the original series yeah and they will watch those and then we'll what what's happening in order for it to we totally the wrong road and then this will get something comes in timely ones because of because even though the Kelvin timeline films technically don't have any bearing on innocent we've watched they do establish two quite big elements of some of what we have watched which is that they stop list cinematography that characterizes everything made off the two thousand nine including or the damn camera cameras being upside down just cameras constantly flitting around a lens flare as one the song much let's learn discovery even though it's not supposed to happen in the same universe as the Kelvin timeline from the J. J. Abrams films it nonetheless he uses that same style as if it does and also the Kelvin timeline films they establish the look of all of the species even though it takes a big steaming temple Iverson ret conning that was done during enterprise about what click on this post mark so we will get some tools this way for some time and resources movies but your your question whatever done in the past couple of years %HESITATION Washingtonian reversing movies other stuff tastes are going to sleep I suppose in a way that has kept us somewhat sane during these very challenging times over the past couple of years this is not Penn and experiences been easy really for most people on and like most people we've had our challenges during this past couple of years you know we've had losses we've had major separations from our families you know we've got see your comment that balancing mine for over two years you know so there's been a lot to digest it feels especially with the TNG era which is when I say here at Tyson I mean TNG DS nine and Voyager several U. chronologically coherent so I mean the three of them they all begin to feel like family and you become very emotionally invested in the characters so I think that's where that has felt actually portent to watch of this time and I know that there's a lot of established tracking site there who have been doing a lot of free watching of the series as well because they're so comforting I think we are going to do something very sensitive probably after a short break where we're going to rank the captains and this is going to be sensitive because these captains on our whole family I don't know if I have to rank but I've got my favorites Michael the ones I can meet the watching we've been doing this off we should note this at this early point in addition to saying right we're going to be using these acronyms TNG DS nine and so on as kids I was exposed to the next generation Deep Space Nine Voyager cluster does as far as I was concerned even though I had seen one or two of the original series from the sixties I seen the Montana you ever read on all the time even though it seems some of the films that came out in the eighties but used as characters even though I was aware that there was a regional sorry Star Trek it was the next generation that was the original series for me as a kid and expects not unavoidable happening within the same story spice that roughly the same time I thought that stuff was old Houghton and I as far as I was aware of the original series was slightly macabre from what I could remember as a kid visit as very young kids and also really slow I think it was because I'd seen the cage he originally on a pilot broadcast on TV in the eighties and it was really set dates as a kid you just kind of you want things to rap along with stuff to happen as my own daughter has has pointed out recently when we actually sat down with her what you're really quite corporate drama episode of discovery that was lost fighting and and space peak that that is a thing in softek there will be some cerebral episodes that briefly gradually get you to think about new concepts so you know as a very young child from that barely nineteen next generation it had pace even though it's full of tributes to the original series it's it's a different sort of based and this is something that has become really apparent in watching the original series it's got a lot more license yeah I mean there's no series had the direct comparison that you can do between the episode in the original series where everyone gets infected with a virus that makes them drunk and the episode very early in season one of the next generation where everyone gets infected with the same virus that makes everyone drunk is the difference between people going a bit nuts in the first one and doing things are a bit out of character and there was no series found in TNG everyone get very sexy %HESITATION Wesley rack in the shaft and Wesley crusher it should we should also note that amongst these family members we have a client during these past two years and you know with me is required but the summers I haven't see data is somebody with whom I feel I can identify quite extensively and you have said the same about to pull G. yeah I think initially but Lana and Voyager was so when I went I understand some of her anger but her anger was coming from a place I don't necessarily understand but I think to an extent that geology or fight and today is there with her because she's hopping on half human and and has had a very difficult upbringing because of class so and I think she's very interesting in terms of cemex race experience and I think she she presents a really interesting exploration of anger as an emotion but then it was Juanmi watched enterprise to poll I just felt sane people say that you know I finally felt sane I'm so many Aspin described by people from the right side he maybe don't know me that well as quite a lace they think I am you know %HESITATION this is Bethany SMI whereas I'm usually carving in a corner because I've got my anxiety disorder and %HESITATION nobody's interested in talking to me or a some people have had the impression I'm a bit taken %HESITATION for scale but that's not all my internal experience I'm externally have disco lists or something or detachments but inside there's just a tumultuous of mine going on to manage and when they really explore what it is to be both can properly with her for the first time because it's not really a lot of folk and there's no balcony and characters until two fox doing Voyager and tape box quite old he's over a hundred he's also a man you know it's very different but when you explore a female Vulcan property for the first time and she's a bit younger she's in her sixties which isn't quite the equivalent of being %HESITATION I might be insured your thirties or something twenty safe and even younger that's quite young for bulk and adults she's a Vulcan to Haiti as actually finding it very challenging to manage her emotions and then stuff happens to her because she's really interested and humans and human way of life and she experiments and then she meets sees quite radical Hokanson she experiments about more and things go back wrong and things happen without your consent and so she has these experiences with her house and the decline of slots hi they deal with her I thought it was some just really excellent television you know and and the and the two story since you're starting to get a far better understanding of more neurological conditions like autism and ADHD and especially because these are conditions are very difficult to diagnose and my men so women with your diversity are socially conditioned in certain ways and I think being able to explore maybe something along those lines with the Vulcan character you know ideally in character it's just gives you that safe space or any parent with those ideas and then think about them in terms of allegory for humans nice to be that something we have recognised happening across the network actually before next elements of individual service but if something happens across the next generation and Deep Space Nine and Voyager such that the story of one of these many arcs that spans the mini series is the story of just recognizing that some people okay yeah you can't do that in the original series but you can make some very impressive metaphorical allusions to it you can't do it in the next generation but you can make some slightly less vague slightly less buried allusions to it and that continues to the point when I think it's in twenty sixteen and Star Trek beyond that we finally have an openly gay character and it's not a big deal and then in Star Trek discovery from the beginning we've got I got a couple something that gene Roddenberry sets that he definitely wanted to feature in the next generation but he had so much pushback his career was just people pushing back and going knows audiences will be okay with that %HESITATION and so we have slightly Lasko did every single time references to it even having the first night almost and not the first onscreen girl girl kiss in Deep Space Nine but it was an early okay the trail and it's supposed to be between a woman who has been amount before kissing the woman to whom she was married when she was a man so it's not technically a girl girl kiss a psychologically even though it is physically so you know it's one of the ways they bury this will get thrown to the implicit commentaries on sex sexuality yeah everything you have the %HESITATION involved in being a troll later okay I'm gonna finish that review so what did you want to talk about E. R. for the functional aren't you shale I am programmed in multiple techniques we've also tried to do a lot of parking I. F. what nationality might these we'll do a whole however it is just a home that and it changes over time does change yeah because I think you know at times sick thing on Sir quite Russian but at times there may be more a Japanese at times there may be mark Celtic actually think they're really Celtic but I don't know if it's still there there are some parts of the language that signs actually like different versions of the Gaelic language all right so this several generations of it in the original series the claim guns appear to be Chinese both in appearance and in that depiction as being a rising enemy that is associated with because China would have been coming next time but nonetheless it yet that kind of comes in mind is the Manchurian candidate Manchuria is a territory which part of it is in Russia part of it is in China the maturing candidate is entirely about Russian and Chinese communist governments or at least the agents for Russian and Chinese communist governments teaming up to create these sleeper agents in the US and I think that what we get in the original series going on is this implicit sense of you know obviously the Russians are our way we can think is India and in order to medium our enemy but obviously the Chinese are as well because there was a communist government I think that's what's going on in the region of Sears at least kingdoms that only appear alien by dint of the fact that I generally short with wide angle lenses they just have exactly the same sort of look about playing on this night it was slightly longer moustaches it's like a dark skin as is given to cite Romans but shoot it with one of the lenses to make the nose %HESITATION but bulbous compared to humans but it's just that the idea of sickening on empire and that there's an emperor I think it's great imperialistic and what was on that the type of mustache it because they have that sort of thing national Sasha because China Netflix it's quite Japanese to me so I was wondering if Smith in March up indecent intentionally I think that Mr Shipp hotly alludes to the Freeman chief figure which is in the history of fiction is one of these I can we're doing things in the %HESITATION in order of medium yellow peril they just figures of the early twentieth century and that at least check to China but it could be the I think that that vague oriental sing in the Vulcans and the Romulans and the Clintons in the original series there will overlap in this particular the opposite we just watched the first one of season two of the original series but they're going to discover Vulcan this planet which is just it uses logic it totally doesn't when they go to discover it's full of ritual and superstition and people fight to the death it's just it's completely incompatible with the logic principal right Sir Clinton's by the time we get to the next generation all in now Russians %HESITATION and wolf when he's brought up on us is brought up by Russians she had what seemed to be a completely appropriate adoption scenario where no humans could take this click on child other than double odd Russians by that point what we have with the falcons and the Romulans is this it's been explained as being this kind of cousins situation such that it's quite clear that the Vulcans are Japanese they are these possible competitors possible allies on the world stage as brio champions of science and of capitalism site broken Japanese and the cousins are the much less logical much less into cooperating with everyone Romulans and they correspond to Chinese people can access become pretty clear by that point is that we now have Vulcans Japanese moments Chinese king owns Russians and we also have the instruction of the flooring the next generation who would yeah but if we're going to do this a lot over the next yeah it is it's gonna work in some places we love that and vegetarianism and everything differing DO almost certainly Jewish that's right coded as sorry technical days I think yeah sure that money obsessed their neck is very knocks her out today so that was operating a year off the eastern Jeez kind of thing in Germany and it's in the space nine we get introduced to two more species who seem very very familiar to you the big showrooms in the Cardassians yeah I I mean I I I not sure how much intentionality they raise but certainly at that time and certainly looking at it as a post conflict drama which is massive and tasks of mine you know that the Jordans feel like the Irish and the Cardassians feel like the British I think a lot of the story arcs the comite between them and DS nine really explore that a big grant I don't know I intentional that was but it it maps on quite a while because I think there are quite a few scenarios where that could be the case a lot of the S. nine is centered around because the space station was Cardassian and it was orbiting the planet update your and then the Cardassians withdrawal after a fifty year occupation and the federation and he N. type role takes over the station at in collaboration with veterans because a majority like major to get back on its feet and become a member of the federation and then there's always tension kids page or doesn't really want anything they want to be independent they don't really want to be part of this other thing but it's a bit like Arden's being part of the European Union so its its own free stay yet but comes part of the European Union so it becomes part of something bigger than that south Stormont truck because the space nine runs from nineteen ninety three to nineteen ninety nine that is peace process based process shares so I really got a lot of thought allegory if you can call it that I thought it was really interesting way of exploring that and map some reading while I'm sure we've noticed and we're going to miss the thing within so much forgetting I'm not writing stuff down over the past two years absolutely no stuff to go to many more correspondences between species in Star Trek and real world the Ontarians are that I like that they play and I left there and their entire night and enterprise concert animatronic in Waco when I'm with my fingers ten a week on there's but one that preserved when Jeffrey could %HESITATION I know what you're gonna say I'm not just acoustic band during the he plays warm front yeah and difficulties he plays character after character of the character in the space nine that keeps getting killed off he keeps getting humiliated and then finally he gets a character in the space nine his long running character and who is although initially antagonist he becomes quite an important ally it's a soft leisure to archer stuff here right Sir and yet there was one moment when he's in a much is low ceilinged ready room on the enterprise and he walks on this kind of running gag about people buying in the head yeah I just got back in it he plays captain archer he's very tall and he has this quite cramped dental office off the bridge and he there's a long running thing of him always having to duck underneath they Sam beam that goes across and this one moment when trends in that too and having a very heated discussion and Sharon walks under that same be minutes two and ten I. Big Bend dunk so somebody somewhere had the job of probably by remote control any deflating thing within those and then I said that they would the remote control is Jeffrey combs he's just the right height to not have to friend sure band or anything when he walks on the lot Baines but it's just the way he doesn't his body doesn't install on the antenna to spam backwards we have to watch it every three or four times less than half the stuff so clever because there's no reaction there's no it's just the little antenna and all that stuff see that's the sort of thing loses a little jams that enterprises ready great for and it just I think it's just personally searched by the network at the time and it's the two you can this is fine it's just my shoulders too much time sitting at a keyboard you know %HESITATION I can't take chief okay Nero pressure he can even stimulate your own your own notes it will help you sleep or if their son during a meal it's very durians terrorize humans invoke lines enterprise implies that these four species that the founding species of the federation and so we're talking trying to think about well it's an illusion to something that happened in a post conflict time maybe it's about the second World War about the formation of the United Nations already exist among the net maybe about NATO so if it's not a tire may be the adoring suspects to be arrested signatories NATO %HESITATION maybe that Canadians they say they are from an icy Maine because that's the thing if I what seems to become clear and enterprise which wasn't clear when Ontarians were in the original series as I understand it is on to work as a gas plant and %HESITATION door yet is the main stock planet and that's actually the main that they come from and it's ready I see so they had to re insert the lady was white hair and then there's that what is the other this call to Qusay the explorer there's another reason they're white some kind of cause and not a cousin species because they can reproduce or talking a cousin groups within the same species and I forgot yes I just basically I'm Dorian's white to skin yeah and the slightly different color noise here but they've been nothing under grind this one which is why they're so very upset when I say that white I mean they're Pierre white person Dorians are quite rightly well at least they're very bright today and discovery even bluer discovery than they are previously and they're the same color as their annual I suppose these are things that go back to the original series because it was just what color body paint can we put on these people today because we've got their Ryan's here great and so you know I don't know he the Orions are supposed to be but they do a really cool stuff with them and enterprise yeah I think okay Orion's probably evade Middle East yeah maybe possibly the end are just some of the Asian or something because that yeah they do have quite sure because it's quite a dark green and they have black hair blue and white sonic and there's dancing and the women are very alarming and that sort of stuff and while we're on the window anymore but while we have mentioned that you're innocent Cardassians the mark he got sick because the machi a role for the federation citizens arrest each star off the people who have officially form let what people have left Starfleet site and they formed this terrorist organization but as opposed to freedom fighters at some sort of thing is one person sees them as terrorists and other will see them as freedom fighters and their son on going argument but not language so I think that specifically in the context of the bitcoins being Irish in the Cardassians being British I think that specifically alludes to ongoing conflicts in Oakland but the machi are almost certainly the northern Irish Republicans yeah there's probably a fraction of the IRA or yeah you know I analyze something like that there and paramilitary organization of course the big numbers of the Voyager is machi being reabsorbed back into the fold and cut off as the enemy but being identified with common ground with them being shad and just some smoothing over differences and yes this is a very very American %HESITATION right terrorists Donald pigs there's not much characterization of some items that are presently we are we are I know for sure we are going to meet them in the original series we just haven't done see yeah I think that's it from main species maintenance technical races down the trail but they're more well it's more of a gender the trailer is species that can combine and hostess and meant so this big warm slug like creature that can be inserted into them surgically and becomes part of them and the semi and can hold the memories of that person they joined together so they become one person dead biological sex sells the host doesn't matter it's just whether they can join or not and so there's the trail goes through your training process of many years not every trail is suitable to become a host and only certain people okay and they they usually choose CLA so that's where we kept acts he is and the S. nine and then there's a whole big backstory waste management Cisco he kissed the commanders and captains he takes over for the federation DC sign so there's all of that but yes %HESITATION this ambience plan is its own identity but it lives through the host and the host will change so they they left it long life so curse on tax dies before DS nine begins but he's over a hundred years old and then the docks and the end is given to a job C. yeah he becomes just see attacks and you take on the name of your simians and there's a trail in TNG as well explore that was Beverly crusher falls in love with that trailer man yeah and then he is feeling when debts the Symbian could survive they have another host and is temporarily hosted by the freaks shocker right at Johnson freaks and it's only temporary because humans so the company just long term and that of course and discovery they terms for machine then but this is very temporary because it it's not going to hold but let's just keep says Samantha lives until and you trail hosts can come to an end you trail hosts as a woman and so that's really the first time where they directly deal with it potentially same sex relationship and how they handle it is back pretty going I don't think I can do this he asked because I think the how many worked right to travel very well you know very much at that point because it's basically like I am exactly the same person I was basically a blank sheet when I was out of the person but it doesn't mean it's taken over where is in DS nine the flashlight a bit more and it's more like they combine with each other so the tax ambient carries the memories of her son and all the previous hosts and explore the previous hosts right the series and then there's another host because Jesse and it around Tyson as street as a child he is on the tree and happens to be on the ship that's transporting the semi instead of so much of this stuff hard no well this for sure the true alludes to real world people who have a different relationship with that bodies yeah from Zacks which humans typically have so my initial instinct instinct was these alludes to intersex people then of course the point there's also indications that they lived to transgender people these accounts because there's not to be confused both of which kind of reasoning that times trail can be used to create short term same sex love story lines and this is very knowledgeable in that next generation episode where we first meet the trail that when Beverly realizes that the man she's fallen in love with the kind of way %HESITATION symbionts that was the manager's she'd fallen in love with is not a woman share of it he says something like we not ready yet for that sort of love as if she's going just beneath the surface saying our view is all of this right now in the US in about nineteen ninety are not yet ready for this sort of life that we're aware that it exists and that counts yeah so it's a bit out of line with all these other things we go always at this particular species on this planet that corresponds to this nation honors with his political group but what we we could also do with the trial is take the fact that for them the symptoms of a stroke for it to be immortal we can't identify them with a religious belief system on us which believes in reincarnation because that's the kind of real world version of recurring condition being a thing so perhaps the truest supposed to be south Asian may be affected by this yeah but there are no none of us that they used to say lots of things about real world people and the man that tangent I was trying to say that in the nineties we didn't have some language that we have not yet arraigned trans gender is summer or intersex people it was a year a transvestite or transsexual the Senate a surgical sex change you know for example where is we have much more nuanced language during those things nine and so I think it was a really interesting way of being able see explorer your gender identity and that it can change or that it can just be so they it's you know it's interesting hi there are times when Jesse S. or a deer at and discovery he is to human character he has taken on SMB incident the Symbian wouldn't die and they join successfully even on the dear it is a non binary after playing a non binary characters so this is really interesting they're really exploring that with them where there are days where they feel either challenging one of their very clearly masculine hosts you pre prior hosts and they feel very masculine you know Jesse it is super into the cutting lines hi this is really in the fight in order to face pricing and all of that all of us said quite violent sexual rituals that come with being and she's super and all thought but then there are times when she's very gentle and smarter Erica it's feminine she's right down psych because one of her prior hosts was a dancer there's things physically she couldn't J. when she was at sea about not she's dancing stocks she's got more dexterity because of the dancing because of the fighting abilities she's gonna language ability she never had before they become more than themselves here there's even a series Indies an absentee space nine where judge David axes rest for crime but it's a crime occurs on tax carried out and they have to get into this issue of if you're the same person as the previous tax because of the tax and that previous stocks was not two separate consciousness is giving the same body that does not mean that that person's acts and any responsibility for any crime they wanted committed those are also yours as well because you've you still got that person's consciousness within you thanks so that by having a a speech from Cisco which he basically goes number eight when the previous house studies that consciousness is is removed from the Symbian a little bit the match for use is is it's a bit like dissolving salted water and then you boil away the water and that just leaves the salt and then the new host is a lot more water than that then has that self dissolved into it so it's a perfect no mess also going actually node and not to the same person previous person they just carry the memories of the previous person with them so that they can occasionally have a chat with them your suddenly they can six a piece of equipment because of prior hosts was an engineer and they call them such a memories of what they could do you know that sort of thing yeah exactly do you fancy learning about every pointing I've been fostering it recently and it's actually really easy and it's quite relaxing when you get the hang of it dammit she'll I'm a podcaster not a bricklayer I think this episode is sponsored by socks notify I'm digress Christine contesting servic hello to Angie stone crests and Uncle Sam if you're listening because they tend to listen to the ones that you're in yeah and we're both wearing are very special socks thank you semantic processing and I'd also like to say a big thank you to my mom and sister because they mostly found our Netflix how but only to the founders of the finished yes certainly right my mom this year has got me Netflix such as her my per se and then for the winter solstice festivus winter break thing so they are partly to blame for all of this murder rate I have to say it doesn't just live off we always hear Naples the neighbors are always somewhere behind the scenes %HESITATION right I suppose the first thing to do is to establish that what we have been watching has had definite generations and not just that the next generation is the second generation of shows there is a definite generation which is TNG Deep Space Nine and Voyager that single generation happens at roughly the same time and I don't just consideration because they take place at the same time becomes G. a generation because they have roughly identical story principles which is that why you sometimes have two parties where one ends with a cliffhanger the norm is that each episode is a self contained story each series might have a shallow arc is steadily finding out a few more things about a mystery stately encountering more more of the Bulldogs say for example this one quite a concert happens while this may happen every episode is self contained then enterprise I don't know though I think in DS nine no I think the dominion war is quite if banks were your homes and they're the first series stopped us three part arc since file yes right K. nine correct this arc stuff into space than when I went to all those dates earlier on enterprise started about five months off to avoid direct option and that was that was new because voices started while the space time is happening and Deep Space Nine started wild THG very Kerry over not to the extent that they had to characters from another series plus on the BOP no somewhere in their pilot episodes yes there was definitely forking of storylines happening there yeah with enterprise it starts off the Voyager wraps up it initially starts off with that same story principle but then you can see a gradual re setting of the way the enterprises told because clearly it's ratings on someone trying to improve its ratings by changing the format I'm one of the ways that they tried to do that is that across the whole of series three there's one single arc while there are some relatively self contained episodes it's always always sound a bit more information that's going to help us solve this problem with the Cindy and that we haven't seen across the whole season before so the point is I suppose to point out that we were going to be calling TNG a series the S. nine S. series Voyager series enterprise series discovery a series but they're gonna be calling this thing series even though at some points they will deliver to that point where they see rules rather than series %HESITATION they are mostly series discovery gets proper serial particularly in series seasons two and three we're gonna be calling them series nonetheless so that we have them distinct because this was service has a separate using which is as distinct from season in the UK we use series to mean season let's talk about how great series three of the why it was and it wasn't service to restore because in the rest of try to season ticket after awhile because this season as most of the year and U. S. TV series for us here and it's actually one season because he's eight six absolutes are assisting from twenty six yes %HESITATION series as distinct from season robin series insisting that every single episode is self contained even there for most of TNG Mr DS nine must avoid Jack investment prize they are self contained so what can be done I think it's quite important technology I mean we said it before but I think it's worth going into in a bit of detail I do you really feel for enterprise I think it was poorly timed and party served and no one knew without someone's whole suspicious world events happens the popularity of the TNG generation they didn't really want to let up on that but those stories needed to just stop and pause and take a breather her mind was in charge at the time was not still seventy thought he sends Voyager's wrapping up because they have this thing where as we've established they go for seven seasons and many stops and so they they and that seven of them during our work here is done yeah it's a long time you know and it's a very you know because it is the bulk of the year it's usually nine or ten months the cast and crew are working on this one show and thirty and eighteen hour days sometimes six to seven days in a row maybe one or two days off and then they're back again for another new solid wake you know they're not getting weekends and not ready can time their families that's a really really tough environment it's physically exhausting and after she well it's brilliant to have steady work and a lot of them will jump on it because it's steady work in a very intense environment very competitive environment it's a lot of your life to give up so seven years is sick a number where you can stop and go off and do something else to do other projects and still if you've been wise you can live off the fruits of that and then of course by that time you've been invited you're certainly the conventions are happening and a lot of these people they can they have also closed for the rest of their lives pretty much just stand the conventions the creases all that sort of thing but enterprise I think was probably quite rushed into production there is this idea to go right back to the very start because there's a bit of lower by the very first Cox and you know the very first not federation us the organization that would become star fleets you know their very first captain on a ship called the enterprise being cold archer so I think they go back and they want to develop on that and make it and church I thought and it's radioactive a six because you're having to go write this needs to be a hundred years before the enterprise we're familiar with from the original series and I got very excited when we started watching enterprise because essentially ever so gradually over at TNG DS nine and Voyager technology has got to the point where it was essentially magic it wasn't just you know that what is its office he talks and Laura which is that any sufficiently technologically advanced civilization is indistinguishable from magic it wasn't just things that look like magic to the uninitiated it was that it was essentially a magic you just say to vote emits an investor here on pulse and then it would just fix every thirty minutes I'm sorry by the very last episode of Voyager whether we're basically trying to do the impossible and then use the Borg's trans warp conduit network to get they were up against the immovable object of book technology but of course they were equipped with the unstoppable force of being able to do whatever they wanted with static great ship which distant tooled up by help from future Jane right and those two things they could always just get back to so there was always this technology thing of what weapons magic technology we've got much technology on it they just made that technology more magic solution accountability more magic and that was a big result of going up against the book somebody in the void yes the technology had just become something that meant that the laws of physics didn't apply to anyone after I am reason sap environment nothing's at stake so when they went back to enterprise I went back to the twenty second century I think M. S. twenty one fifty one the growing right we're going to a point when people are just starting to break the light barrier Cumans just starting to break a lot and they don't have shields they don't have replicates is they've just been given transporter technology by the falcons in that scared of it it's fantastic it just keep on the throw up the trick you just on their stomach to be slightly misaligned or something %HESITATION some of their items today just not in the right place so introducing limitations introducing actually certain being constrained by the laws of physics again I was really excited so there's so much potential in enterprise scorned it entirely by the sea in June and okay we the pharmacy because I'd really I'd like to get into the television contacts of the time of that history you know because nine eleven happens just as it's a bite to air and things just never really come right for it and it's not the programs files shows like twenty four you know counter terrorism becomes big thing in TV and so then enterprise coastline the counterterrorism rate and seasons rainy because seasons one and two you just haven't quite hit the mark so is there desperate to try and improve the ratings so they try to have a go at having a massive terrorism marking the do something huge because spacey and it's huge and so it's millions rather than Tyson's that are killed and there's this massive revenge arc and country terrorism mark it was only had a flirting with posttraumatic stress in my comment back in it's called best of both worlds as but talked about what he becomes book and it's free and then immediately after that they have a college experiencing PTSD well they had that with that before in the form of art ship I have this story here across the series does thing after thing after thing which is compromising his morality such that by the end of the series he's just a shell of a man who is constantly angry at everyone all the time and so two to four major decides the very next episode beginning I think the beginning of the fourth series to write one where he has to go to faces demons yeah yes to do what the Condit face that PTSD but it's much worse for him yeah even though effectively he's physically fine he hasn't just had all these implants put into his body and his consciousness change he's just done a bunch of morally compromised things because ever so gently into that twenty four territory of what we don't want to torture people we just have to and don't ask me why we have to yeah it goes into different areas and and it felt quite cynical and it's a shame because actually beyond that I felt there were some really strong episodes of television some really strong storylines and so many strong writing you know the characters are really coming to life I just think there's there's so many accidents characters and not that it was again just inching more and more and see a greater diversity of types of characters well and background to this character I mean who she is fine days Chanel I mean all of that translation at universal transmitter technology that's taken so for granted and all the other series we see the origin of thought and Hoshi Sato who he is is very young woman and she's twenty one years old when enterprise begins so she's twenty five when it ends on she's a genius linguist he has this just capacity and her Permian for language but not just language they showed she can pinpoint accents and dialects to rural areas and North America you know she's incredible and so her character gets flashlight she also the very first ever trip to rice said the pleasure planet wherever he goes to get laid we usually wait at sac state sorry rancor that we really can't and she slaps on an anti anti anti if ISIS Picard to go there for a better if our in our %HESITATION writer likes to visit ryssa actually io in enterprise say establish there the first humans to visit is the first enterprise team and %HESITATION she has a very nice time and she has sexual agency and it and nothing happens to her and it's really fun but how about things how all the books he goes all right you it and quite comic ways you know and it's quite it's a really fun act as soon as you know and it's she just makes friends by picking up the language she starts to speak ricin to people and they go off while you're speaking and you've got the accent that's really good and she also learns the language of someone else she's someone who isn't from rice he's got this extremely complex language picks that up as well and that's how they have the sexual relationship yeah and it just isn't she just leaves we can't saying and it's really lovely and she goes five mining and I'm a really nice experience for her no one's getting honey trapped no no one's getting in an alien parasite inserts didn't she has a nice time where is tracked and raids police and offender under punks her and Travis he breaks his leg or something my can claim and something like that I'm sure he's calmed an agent Karamat test its first season so it it sounds like it's slow but it's a really fun episodes you know things like that where they just really establish character and they actually play with some sexually agency for the young woman then they don't she and her for you know what happened she just hasn't got the time and that's it it is so I really appreciate it thanks I thought that they could take because finally there and the two sides and said they were able to take that step by tiny step yeah but that step is way ahead of the steps that the average moral principle is willing to take the question I was pushing as as much as they can and thanks to the track culture channel we're not the biggest subject that's by far thanks to the track coach online on and that they were doing something very similar with discourse about drugs during the nineteen eighties as a conversation between Tasha Yar and little Wesley crusher about drugs which doesn't take the just say No line which admits that people take drugs not because they're weak people because they're in horrible circumstances option and that really brings a sense of business lots of their when you tweeting about now we have another segment to record going on still not procrastinate so we're going to see Jesus yeah we'll probably need to build up to the S. you the original series I mean that is even before I had a notion of ever watching any Star Trek we all know that same chain as just part of cultural currency as Matt it's just so in bad it we all know that distinctive things changed and now that we've got say season tape and watching the original series now we've got the soprano and we rarely makes sense yeah you know what we're learning about this whole in the wrong order of course what we would do it ten when we go to enterprise we've been decked for twenty one seasons in theme music that was descended from that original by way of Star Trek motion yeah because the theme music for the next generation it includes the front fan from the original series theme by Alexander courage with Jerry goldsmith's theme for Star Trek the motion picture and then the theme music for deep space nine is music that's very similar to the music for the next generation and then the theme music for Voyager which puts me on the verge of tears I'm sorry they can much the same thing it was all just but it was done with much longer sustains knows you got a long way to go before you have yeah so that was that was all very similar it was big as orchestral and no one was singing and then with enterprise what happened was an existing piece of music which was called faces the hot written by Diane Warren and performed by which to it and perform for the soundtrack to the nineteen ninety eight film patch Adams %HESITATION yeah and then it was re written Russell Watson reworks it as when my heart will take me as the C. music for enterprise it was re recorded I think for season four so the slightly different version slightly more upbeat music when it snowed for seasons three because she remembered come we come up to same chain anymore because this is so I do yeah and so in Congress and to what we're seeing in every after every episode was so traumatic and for the violence in the school and said you know this music so upbeat and hopeful I just noticed it was re recorded for the third and fourth seasons it probably would have been appropriate soul and she with lyrics I come not with lyrics it was a strange decision and and maybe that had something to do with people not necessarily take an enterprise that seriously and then with it just being called enterprise initially people didn't associate at property was star track so it didn't really take with the track audience is already established some with the word faith in the title given the attitude towards faith established by virtually all of the Star Trek so far didn't fit so yeah Tenerife sure exactly I think it's unfortunate a lot of by enterprise is unfortunate it didn't serve what it Kate has pain and what parts of it where I needed to know being a doctor there's just so much is greeted by an enterprise and it was pretty certify some rainy practice sessions a look look at what was great about enterprise getting Scott back in a tie the captain yeah wonderful knowing what tends to happen to people when they play in science fiction that was probably his way of going right I am going to get myself associated with the new character because some back it yeah really yeah it took me a while one of stress or enterprise at the time it was broadcast to shed the %HESITATION that somebody gets them from going to and he had he changed definitely changed it's taking a lot of opportunities to get his top off and to definitely do I think that some back it never done which was really quite stridently issue orders to people to be a part of solitario zinc they just have that one where dean Stockwell listen so late we had ready not long what style and then a couple of months later dean Stockwell passed away but it was nice to see not and having them back together again the being at first race this time but I think that was probably one of the things that mess served enterprises that has created a sculpture killer is on the character of archer there's too much emphasis on him he had to be the hero every time it's not something that I love to school very but there is too much of everything relies on Michael Burnham by the time we go to the lost users voyage we December sister Kimberly off well with this is that a %HESITATION yeah all of this is a parasite yeah this is a nine so that's it %HESITATION but to focus so it's every every now and then you get to see that doctor so yeah yeah something like that could decide okay right we're with this character as in person so get stressed I'm not going through next generation often it was a pecan decided because it was in an episode about what the crew has headed by him how to do and coming up against a particular adversarial problem and he would be the main one to solve it but very soon you start to get Joe decides where it would follow Jody across the day and he'd be the one you have to solve the problem any great lines are by data very often you directed by one of Sam by Jonathan Franks or the far pardon for Patrick shared unless miles's partner up right now as an opportunity for artists to get into directing Star Trek has been great to sing how much of of season three of Star Trek discovery Jonathan Frakes star he's I know he's still going to separate levar Burton said loads of all the others as well thanks for using the law invoice or an enterprise's enterprise a lot of enterprises directed by roping me Neil he was Tom Paris and Voyager and he went through the academy the directing academy and I loved the delta flyers it's a fantastic podcast is to re watch that Robert Duncan McNeill and Garrett long he'd played Tom Paris and Harry Kane and Voyager if they make this together to re watch series so they talk about each individual episode every time Andrabi McNeil because he sensed become a director rather than an actor it's really interesting for him because he watches the absence more acid director he can barely remember the acting side of it for himself because he spent so much of that time observing the directors and learning about the production he spent more energy on top and pretty but you know he still turns up and he doesn't acting really well yes that's been a really interesting thing and the same thing happens with rocks on Dawson who has been on a tour is not Shushi S. night more well known as a director and she spends the director and producer and executive producer %HESITATION loads of other shows nice and sent on films as well principal of character gets an episode and it might be even a relatively minor character I mean I think the box yet so it says we are missing back now that we've gotten to discovery because almost all about Michael Burnham and that is the thing is well actually you do have those recurring car actors so %HESITATION the likes of this kind of Barkley I tried Schultz he's very well known as hiding Matt Murdock and eighteen you or like civilians we mention already Jeffrey combs playing lots of different characters fun Armstrong place up to different characters across as the series character Andrea Robinson and Deep Space Nine you've got these really important recurring character she are not me in Castro hopes all voice okay when you have that was come up somebody else's mouth a massive card whose Montauk some such a thing as tasty voice %HESITATION and he is that he plays Chiron he's bright and as a sea ice west ham on around you I enjoy yeah always double in size yeah a tendency to come straight on minor corrections is a thing and that has has has grown to discoveries are we get lots of you know this particular mine account to get the scene at this point but there's no such thing in discovery as an equivalent offer Joe decided or they decide probably because I S. more serialized rather than episodic so the ideas in the earlier ones that you're going along nicely there on their missions bloody bloody battle thing happens and it centers on this one character so you're driving into that character a bit more but I suspect that came up by it because of what happened with Denise Crosby because she left before the end of season one of TNG because she just wasn't getting anything today so she's playing Tasha Yar who was said chief security officer on the enterprise and you know the actress was really frustrated at just having these perfunctory nines and something very similar it happened with the sound echoes in the original series but she claims in her autobiography that Martin Luther king convinced her to stay because just her being on TV and every episode at some point even if all she said was healing frequencies of what she called really fed up with thank you for it and she's a brilliant actress and she's got such precedents but she's getting so little state so are you know for the whole I mean the whole of the first season that's basically all she says is healing frequencies opens our message coming in from Starfleet command center yeah and that's really boring for her and she's just a set of flags you know but because she said of prime lanxess baby important because representation really does matter we were talking the other day if I may Jamison is that he was the astronaut he was inspired to become an astron joined NASA because the finish on the hills and you know so that is groundbreaking and not sense cameos and transporter for so she's sort of TNG and they met on the set and everything it was really special but you know with Denise Crosby as Tasha Yar she's got so much to get F. and she got really fired up and you think by the late eighties even a white woman would have something more to date but no I mean and and it was annoying because it was great if they had a woman I really kick ass woman being the security officer you go to do that for you in about the third episode yeah in the rather racially problematic like I said that's fine with the princess in which someone have to die then they would very quickly be not present to enterprise make them not to be that yeah yeah most of that fight was done by some from this server Dennis because we wouldn't have been much involved in it but she did get to do that scene with data she did get to say to him you are fully functional on she so are any they really sexualized her and it was because of that saying you know this virus that made them a little bit drunk so drunk that she didn't have the composure to pass quickly do you have a hat with a disco maybe there's a future technology that just does that for you I don't know so her frustration meant that she wanted out of her contract so they killed her off and never quite merciless about that so rather than just that %HESITATION transferring give her the option of coming back the kilter Beverly crusher gates McFadden who actually also works under another name isn't she but yeah but she's being a choreographer she uses one of her other names I can't remember this is shameful she did just transfer off the enterprise well the staff from because I think that I think that show runners of the writers or something just wanted to do something different so it wasn't her choice I don't think and then they brought in another doctor Pulaski said she's brilliant but then I think because fans petition to get property crusher back because there is a saying there is a bit of a thing between her and the cards so I think the fans really want to dock so Pulaski just isn't there for the third season of Beverly crusher comes back and that's it yet despite last year it Cheryl gates McFadden okay sorry sorry I suppose now we here we ought to talk about season two of the next generation cast well let's at least just mention that right because in the next generation as we have both learned from reading interviews with Patrick Stewart song it was not a total clear during those first two series that this would think would run for seven I'm saying services on site for seven seasons and there's even a vet I noticed what looked like an outtake that hadn't been caught in one of the episodes in the early in the first season of TNG when I caught is walking into the tub after that shit show of him from the side and when the temple if doors open he opens his mouth as if he's going on and I don't think he is tired not it could be because they always cut the sound out when they put this on the table if those on he's doing a big open mouth face as if he's doing that kind of joke thanks to the person who's on the other side of the table afterwards that we cannot say and you think that's just and then posting around on set that's going to be not take the name of that made it into the finished episode there was a kind of informality about that works during the first couple of seasons and it was because they were expecting to have any moment but that's it it's all over this this farce of trying to resurrect starstruck in TV film my server and it very nearly walls because of how %HESITATION season to end it because season two ended with them running out of money and having to do what was in effect a clip show for the last episode of season two on Friday here and us yes season two it was the one episode of TNG that was what seasons are older ten G. that has just twenty two episodes so as for a potential I just run out of money and for the very last episode all I could afford was doctor Pulaski couple of other characters something including Troy marina Sirtis about dialogue with them with Reika lying on a table I'm original scene which rocky gets infected with something and that set the rest was clips Compton from previous episodes which is supposed to be ham remembering things having this internal battle it was awful it is the worst episode of Star Trek Africa I think even Franks calls it a piece of shit yeah I'm quoting him not selected for him who knows whether they knew at that point whether they had been renewed for a third season but that's the operation of people who don't care whether they can review yeah I'm not B. axes it's the position on this and making this decision but guess rate for third season and from that point on which just goes from strength to strength and becomes yeah I mean that by the end of season three and then not see instructions to both work at scrapping you know I think that was probably the same age where I was investors okay cool earlier we were talking about want certain things in Star Trek correspond to in the real world now of course we didn't mention the book but kind of coming of this species of animals as the book him on to species no it's pretty damn close to the surface that the Borg are communists because they have a collective consciousness collectivist that's hardly insightful for us to point out but it's important to note whether that just a new version of Russians because these are their invented towards the end of the nineteen nineties sorry seven eighty I idea in on right now it's kind of eighteen nine ninety point we're talking soaring of the Cold War we're talking that point where there's a classic line in ten minutes to where young John Connor goes why tech Russia aren't they are friends now there are there are friends nothing I don't think the book is supposed to be Russians I think they're supposed to be home grown communists are supposed to be socialists amongst the American population and that's why they're so dangerous because they are on their way to work with them not stopping at conventional boundaries than on recognizing the boundaries of the federation but of course much more interesting to me the dominion we didn't mention the dominion the dominion have a three tier hierarchy with the founders or change things at the top who are regarded as gods by the bottom starts in the middle starts in which is the fourth to her clones genetically engineered by the founders in order to access this middle stratum after hierarchy and and the soldiers on the jem'hadar and there again genetically designed from scratch and designed in order to be biologically dependent on the substance called white which means that if they somehow get free of civil servant changelings don't just come out and die within a couple we have run out of light and they seem to be coded as African slaves I thank yes the hierarchy of Lewis and intermediate class that they used to they never have to have anything to do with the people who buy real well and then the people have a real that was the principal of the British Empire it was using Indian this obvious people from South Asia as administrative costs in African colonies during the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries we've already mentioned before that the Cardassians especially corresponds to the English with a British the British imperialists but the dominion they do almost exactly the same thing host often flavors of British imperialism because they're the ones who went last and then the ones who went east and I think the ones he went last immediately to Ireland's are what we're thinking about it was Cardassia and Bajor but also then for their faith to the Americas and then I suppose it's just general European colonization of the Americas is stuff that's happening there today there's a lot more native American type stuff then mostly in Voyager today definitely this is a menu in there so %HESITATION sorry bank allegory of those things but some some interesting just how easy the contestants team up with the dominion yeah after the dominion start invading the alpha quadrant yeah because their flavors of the Sam saying there but even the Cardassians come across her because it's all the dominion is just so Collison crow and the Cardassians state become subjects of the dominion and they have to have their own revolution terror free Cardassia for main cabin page or to help them H. or help some so it's a little bit like the English deciding that even though you don't want to be part of the empire anymore it's basically going everyone needs to have found that the nation and I've once a nation and will only function if it's founded on revolution yeah which of course is how America thinks about nationhood yeah to be founded on revolution the federation planets in the middle you know you've got ours he's become these have babies where led to believe and I actually liked I appreciate the way enterprise deals to stop because when they go back to earth people and ours are still our souls and it's the one CD first Hey go on exploring their the vegetarian SpaceX base but the ones he stay honors they're gone what are you going off poker night there and bring in a list evil stuff back to us they're very xenophobic you know and they attack Helion species that are hanging out with the federation you know the Starfleet once federations in question but the Starfleet ones so that you know being a doctor phlox and both in the Senate you know the falcons lays in a complaint and suppose quite curious to be human so she'll put on you know I had scar for something to hide her ears you know and trying their hair so that'll cover I. Bryce Bennett and she'll go off to jazz clubs and things and be a bat yes you know testing the waters and then of course falls in love with the humans so let me get a precedent for %HESITATION Spock's very existence because we get a human Vulcan hybrids there was a point when Tucker and t'pol they learned that they had a daughter but it was a genetic clone you know they've both had tissue samples taken against their will and it's been climbed in and used by these are terrorists to create this thing which is supposed to symbolize the pollution of the human gene pool by foreign DNA but the script writers for that episode they point out that it's not just on lightly it's basically impossible for us for a species from this planet and species from another planet her not to told a late cousin spaces too it's completely impossible from to reproduce together and said this baby this is produced from to pop and chips cells doesn't survive no it's not no they they flock senator demonstrates that actually it was a combination of cloning process that meant that the baby doesn't survive and that actually it is perfectly possible and sure they're stato their timeline when they have a son they have a son not journey together you know you member when they're stuck in the expansive Delphic expanse and the third season of trying to find this and date products they recommend us other enterprise but it's over a hundred years old and it's captained by their son and it's kind of retro fitted the sentence also yes still alive yes okay very old woman I think all of them are you know when the storm is ever recognized that it would be impossible for species from two different planet to reproduce %HESITATION so they set the precedent then because it's one of those work there these hard roads to go three where that's another Greek and for mixed race relationships that have had a very hard roads to become acceptance in society all over the world so like civil Vulcan and human having a relationship to Poland's check Tucker have a very difficult time they have a very traumatic romance really fucked up if so way four Sirach and Amanda T. later be able to marry and have a son he is Spock I think enterprise is very important J. helped us see a lot of the establishment because in the same things you take for granted but they're very hard roads to go sorry before somebody can have the privileges that paves the way for and just to credit currently the we are the vegetarian space that's right that is from you tube video by Alistair Beckett king which is a letter S. the little detail about how business listing is often space I know but Star Trek tends to tends to mean that everyone's said agree that not that direction or the media accounts is up in space if you're enjoying the show and would like more information straight to your inbox head over to audio visual culture stock com linked in the show notes and sign up to our mailing list I think it's time to break the captains that's it right the huge today and that's because there's a big question in Star Trek circles which is kinda cool pecan now and also to that particular question the answer is obviously Picard think fast cars Fisher is designed for anyone with the head screwed on the tool it's become because Kirk although there's times when he goes well I'm in charge shut up most of the time he's just kind of louche and laid back he's not in control of situations and moments when you should be doing something to make a difference he doesn't he's not a very good captain until Picard his diplomat he's a manager he's in control of that ship and makes decisions including when he's run out of ideas going suggestions and someone comes up with suggestions because what we're gonna do that and there's always time for a Cup of hot gray writes monopoles yes hot drinks DS nine and Voyager everyone's got a hot drink at some point and I think that's probably because it's a stop motion enterprise are old drunk half the time they have to have something in the hand that isn't to be drinking alcohol yeah because they haven't got since the whole yet I'll go holder drinking here to escape its on Dorian E. L. X. wine they're just constantly let sin I'm going back to the bridge crisis and I think that's maybe they've done not to go well wonder why they all just started drinking hot drinks your coffee and tea all the time probably so yeah because it contains sole responsibility for the hot drink principal right set to come up and cut we just understaffed right but we have all the captains to access into this thing said Saturday %HESITATION just share with you my list of captains okay the card is the best second place in the backseat not my favorite that's what I'm saying is there's a distinction there just the front that Picard worked out that in the very early episode that he was being communicated with but with people whose language didn't have five star concepts just differently figured out put some way of of Cuttack white that patient and he doesn't like children right that's stuck with children and he survived so that alone yes the man is a hero on the observer he became a child exams to be jealous second placed English French on their he wants I took one French words and I missed it the rest of the same matters all the time I don't think he smashed RK tunes different which means feels that way they can get away with wearing them since I lost highly saline drops the F. bomb and she stopped saying that night stranded and then just trying to be a grown up second place foreigners January I don't agree with that I think Jian Wei it's the void you create a lot more danger than is necessary there was a lot of let's just go poke at that reward as we end up not being Sir knight really there's a death and destruction in everyone pokes at the net so that's that's a baseline she's very good at making decisions go head to head with people she will take advice she has what I and my friends at university used to convertible sex oral sex with verbal sex with check I was I know they are the people who can actually get together because she's she's captain they should have been together by the end of the thing they did was seven and Chakotay was just not okay let's go with wrote that because of the whole your captain you can't have a relationship with and that is that's established quite early and purpose of the holodeck our system is currently in TNG where the card does have a relationship with one of his crew members yeah and then goes yeah and his conclusion about why it's it shouldn't happen is that he has the ability to order her to have that and that would really hurt him if he was ordering his apartment to his death where is my Jamie's time what they've accomplished is you will not have a relationship with any %HESITATION crew members because if the power relationship involved it would be a good place at peace house to do right now of course what the docks to he talks with her about this does is he goes what do stuff on the holiday and the holiday is an implicit reference to masturbation the holodeck says it's okay to masturbate and this is the way that Star Trek just very quietly addresses something that everyone's thinking but that no one can publish the size affairs such yeah yeah Jameis doesn't she definitely pokes and stuff but she does have some under B. B. says Paris up tighter so if you get time to do some of the venue can be cash are going if you're a good balls %HESITATION right so generous and puffy clouds underpaid base so the other four captains of them over I'm sure that has been on the other four captains all of which we are aware %HESITATION Cisco comes the captain yeah sources a comma comes captain archer yeah pike love hate I have a soft spot for patrons is not just the part of the pilots I'm one of the latest series one of the centers for the reasons there is this is the mind thing is fantastic this is the part of season two of discovery discovery and then we'll continue and strange you are else which we are sorry to yeah by Rebecca Roman he is reprising the role originated by the queen of star track Majel Barrett's this this is basically visions of future divisions alternative Kerr starch in alternative nineteen sixties in which the Star Trek that was made was the Star Trek as part of a pilot called the cage where because what happened the reality was that the first particle the cage with pike as the captains and female number one he's never named that wasn't approved but Jean Marie was told to go and make another part that we're interested in the ideas but what you just made was way too sedate no they said it was two separate pearl yeah okay to answer read Earl so it makes no this great you know that you can see in the inset televisions as not have these massive pulsing cranium is I saw a lot of fact was great for the nineteen sixties was hurt it's in the mid sixty thousand I thought I was class the N. B. season are getting to make another point at and that one is picks up and that's the policy which Shatner's Kirk I'm the only candidate can is and even book gets retooled his eyebrows get tied it often becomes less emotional yeah and isn't shy XM sixteen S. explained that it was that Jeffrey hunter was tight and he was playing a very dead pond you know very street sorry %HESITATION yeah right talked in a very serious and so then %HESITATION he might all one has to be up on what has to be nine so he's very expressive songs a lot so we have millions he laughs he takes joy in things that they find singing farce and it makes him laugh and the woman there's everyone has to watch it for that scene but by the time we interceptors cast and turns the other way he's very expressive and dynamic in JKT so then your name mine comes the serious straight man then later in season one orders are unused footage for that part of it hi can number one get the cage all of that is re used as part of an episode in which pike is brought back but it's a different actor and he's seriously injured and Connie can speak on his returns to the planets of titles for and so it pike isn't knowledge to have existed and so because of our what can then happen is that in discovery we can have interactions between which of course is a set about ten years before the original series we can have interactions between the corps of discovery and the crew of the enterprise I was commanded by pike and from season two point becomes acting captain of discovery and we meet number one as well his name is which is right which is a female one and spontaneous at the end of season two when discovery is flown to the future we got a little after log in which we see the setup where lots of disruptions to what happens to the enterprise those were resolved and everyone's back on it thanks for coming out and spoke back on it and he's been restored this instruction is that because they were using holographic communications %HESITATION pay claims sought for all the systems failures on the enterprise and that's why we end up with a few screens because he orders and all the rest that's why even though we've gone totally spicy with the first awfully of discovery that's why when we get to enterprise we get to sorry I'm division series that's why the tactics request so but that but I setting up for the adventures of the enterprise as commanded by col right in the decade or so up to you when you get when you cook takes over as captain and of course if the cage had been picked up as the the actual first episode of Star Trek Shatner would not be would never been Kirk would never never been in Star Trek prison and we would have a very different sort of Star Trek and now that's being imagined in strange new worlds and someone seems to come in writing for discovery gone we got a whole bit of story that no one ever told which was the adventures of the pike commanded enterprise other than the cage so yeah we're all very excited about this particularly the working within the box of limitations which is what I've always uniforms have to look like this but we can change a few things they've kept the colors but they often lack of things this is how I rate the captain's altogether sep best captain Picard second best J. NY Brian knows third best Cisco I do not think that Cisco isn't quite as good a captain as Jane Wright is that Cisco has a slightly greater tendency just to go completely bonkers I think he gets processed in one episode and spends internet such as making a clock I think Jane whenever anyone gets possessed by something well they're still killing killing time is whether taken over by the her %HESITATION Jen and I have this dance programs they get programmed into the hollow programs your he further rather than things I can't sleep at night so I read all this stuff are you read the second lesson to the delta flyers and they've just done those episodes when they just accept that double episode with her religion so it's all fresh for me %HESITATION I'm reliving it all again during my has to deal with a slightly more difficult situation than Cisco which is that she has to ask can we even continue to apply star fleet and suppose he comes face pirates Cisco he has to do with complex geopolitics but the federation is still next door right so off to Cisco Seru I think that zero is a basic captain pike that's the thing yeah it seems to be somewhat cavalier he has maintained to this point has this really annoying tendency to go on away missions let's be clear what happens when the captain goes on away missions the captain gets captured right so the captain should never go on an away mission first off a second later admissions that's fine probably best if you don't have the first office ago anyway reasons I haven't changed because it's been slightly different this it should be shift whose job it is to fight people yeah there were several occasions in TNG where an away mission goes out and gets captured and Reuter has to go off and find the card and so he's left commanding the enterprise for its data as third officer spike's tactical emissions so route the onetime Seru goes and why mission is because he goes we're going to talk to I can help you and he's probably terrified it's probably a child I needed help and he says a friendly face he has a big justification for going on the away mission he leaves one I discovered crash lands when it first arrives in the thirties factor thirty three sections he leaves when the ship Congo anyway goes to go make first contact but that's just my perspective the ship's crash landed on the planet it's not like it could go anywhere yes Sir %HESITATION sometimes there's a ship but mostly when he's captaining at least remains on the ship and tells other people to go do stuff where spike is always going on away missions very first away mission he leads is one where he comes within it and not swing of being killed to go let's give the crew on the Hiawatha well yes and people just in their own these things to manage it %HESITATION dangerous difficult situation when he comes this close to being killed and he just about get saved by a combination of burn them and the two albums people on discovery %HESITATION working together and it's it's later revealed that he's actually he's doing what a captain sure knows he shouldn't do which is putting his himself in harm's way because he feels like being excluded from the cling on federation war he wasn't given the opportunity to prove himself so he keeps trying to prove himself that's a flow yes that's right all right so off the pike sure what should does make some quite stupid decisions he doesn't listen to people it does not listen to this fall she says second officer she's initially there as a she's not part of Starfleet or anything but she's R. as an adviser and she effectively becomes a science officer and is creating that first officer of the whole ship and they make that more official she resigned her commission at the Vulcan high command is that the %HESITATION on because she wants to stay with them and help them with their is that when they go off for this indie stuff yeah and %HESITATION she becomes more of a civilian but she is effectively an honorary member of the crate and Starfleet so she is effectively the number one but he never listens to her and she's much more experience she spent time in deep space before on both and chefs she center six days she's got loads more experience than any of them on the shelf and he does not listen to her ever onto also has this annoying tendency to go on away missions because yesterday every time so his life is put in danger unnecessarily crunch time constantly and then of course Kirk for his many faults which on other just into the fact that these convolution waiting times about everything yes yeah it includes the fact that he smokes everyone is very much in favor of this well there's a female crew member there Jim I have a right to call at least ten or whatever but %HESITATION means you to hook up I'm fine with losing her as a crew member as if that many if not well let's say it's %HESITATION Scott he likes her I'm gonna listen officer well one of the things that makes coca crop as a captain is that he is all of the nineteen sixties so yeah perhaps we can forgive media where it is that we can ask for is it just for it was %HESITATION but none the less as the captain of the thing which is supposed to do stuff office mostly military vessel he will just walk into trucks he's much too passive as a diplomat he's awful he's sometimes go to technology stuff that was that impossible to transmit the Romulans which was almost certainly an allusion to one of the second World War I submarine films where it's a destroyer against Severino think it's the enemy below this question is kind of a case is doing awesome okay so do this very particular thing as the captain of this thing which is nice for K. military frigates or battleship okay but you know as a politician is diplomat as someone who have you just need to reason with our people basically %HESITATION for sept the card Janeway Cisco Seru pike archer thank comments from your listeners might well persuade you thought on completely wrong says because my fear for it I think I think he has to deal with very different things from the others because he's not traveling Arango in Polk and he's on this space station with the very tricky diplomatic mission he's in the middle of a very precarious peace that could disrupt at any moment I think of him as somebody he is doing a tremendous amount of managing people he's also a single parent his wife has been lost apple three five nine the board at top which we hear about it and the best of both worlds the episode she mentioned her the card becomes a key shifts off the board he has a very strained relationship with Starfleet because of thoughts you know it's interesting even Patrick shared this and the pilot of the S. nine and hands over basically it's it's hard to have stepped to the handover with Cisco and give him not commission of becoming the commander of the space nine and that's very difficult you know so from the very get go he's already got this strand relationship of Starfleet and he sees it for what it is he C. sepulchre space of this organization that he loves and wants to take a while for so I think the complexity succumb a Cisco and what we end up finding items by his own origins or his his mom was a whim how alien I'm not the one already and it sounds about it's sounds rather tentatively yeah but now it is a known for dimensional not sure beings who live in the worm hole that can't see only stable wormhole that I find on it thanks they also question with the camera quadrant and dots hi the dominion get access because they're from the gamma quadrant outside they get access to the alpha quadrant and these are called the profits by the Turin's they think these are their guards so there's a whole religion based arrived these aliens but it all turned site that his destiny is caught up with these aliens because he's actually off them you know he's actually a high bridge they went to markets do something like go back in time and phone over him so that he would be around a specific point to save them from these enemy wormhole aliens called power right yeah that account of these fallen angel figures I don't think that Cisco in becoming the the emissary of the prophets from from the very first to process I don't think I'm becoming not figured that he becomes religious not park but he does very light on that in the seven series he starts to experience these moments of artists certainty that X. and Y. gonna happen and they they don't come from and messages from the web how late is he basically just becomes this person of religious conviction and I was deemed by the series of that point to be a good thing setting of that stuff aside because I think about stuff I'm not so so well done but others are not I think he praised himself as a captain your honor as a commander you know because he's a commander for the first two or three seasons or something that's a promotion I think in season four maybe I'm not sure all right the right the halfway point he gets discretion to captain I think he shows real leadership and a lot of ways and he is a leader he is prepared to learn I'm prepared to listen to his staff he always has good advice for people he's very centered you know when that when that profit stuff isn't happening he's Larry centers I think unless the first you know I might reconsider putting Jiang Wei but I have a sister because both J. Moran Cisco who they have to create crews out of two distinct groups the card is not to do that so he doesn't have to do that hi this is enough to do that he's gone they've all got started each group throws Jan was got a Starfleet crew plus a bunch of marquee how many it's about twenty five there and that we don't meet them already it's just their designated by the different paths when they take on the Starfleet uniforms I think they do that to your yeah I think they should have been a couple of episodes of conflicts but then because it's episodic they just want them in the uniforms as soon as possible and I we have a denture just our fate to participate but if it was more of a serialized saying I think they may hold off and they would explore that complex I'm not difficulty with dissemination a bit more nine they did a few later episodes where they did it time travel stuff back to whenever conflicts as if they had gone and how we we skipped over back to great right so yeah J. why does have to soldier together goes to cruise but what she does very quickly she wins over to kind of tie and then he does that work of soldiering them together to vote because it takes a certain general doesn't do much at work so there's a bit of a challenge that but with Cisco he has to so that together federation Starfleet underpaid Jordan creek including major Karen Rees who initially he's quite willing to kick since because the Stacia she does not want the Starfleet to be back home until she wants this to now be able to complete the project on stage yeah he is a huge amount of work to do to get house but also I mean I would say that %HESITATION pike does how fortunate again trust because he's taken over from Gabriel Lorca hello to Jason Isaacs we find that answer %HESITATION you could not yes he's been the captain of discovery for the first season but we find out that he's actually from the mirror universe and something pulls him over to the prime universe supposed prime Lorca over to the mirror universe he was probably killed immediately because he was being sought out for execution because he was treasonous so pike as happened to pick up a crazy thought as for the distrust and he basically prepare sock crazy to become the co he said if they come and they become a family and Siri need Sam and then waste last discovery at a point where Michael has been promoted to captain and she spoke to the them as captain so we can't judge Burnham yet as a captain thanks we've been on the list because she's captain we can't speak to that yet I'm because it's quite unique because there are only a few episodes and as we record this and we haven't seen any of those she's come under the discovery for a base of one episode when she was first officer in pike was off doing yeah but yeah but we've only ever seen her disobeying orders Browning often can't April causing a war one of those things where she just disobeys an order and goes off and does our admission lead story with us first officer for that going rogue logic is I'm gonna ask for forgiveness and not for permission yeah no within a known military organizations that's the kind of sometimes applicable principle but I don't think that really works within the thing that is Starfleet which is now part of the lecture part science yeah because I think there are ways to show %HESITATION that click I'm sure I'm right about this again trusts but there is a bit of a higher because I think this comes up in Voyager quite a bit where they have to say that this is not a democracy I'm the top ten I make decisions to Sashi quite imperialistic in a way where it's not pay to committee I mean they they have these committee meetings with officers but I feel like certain in Voyager there's only a certain amount of crazy and that number dwindles quite a bit because people die and they don't get replaced very often they set off with a hundred and seventy or some sun hello to them die then they absorb that Mickey curry and then people die and they absorb a few people here and there look at something like four crew members from the of the ship yeah that's got sucked into the delta quadrant a little bit off to them hello there for last mile before because they've already traveled quite a bit and I think it's already been in there for ten years or some sun but it's rare that they get more people off the shores of so they actually today's quite a lot of people as time goes on and so there should be a hundred and something else %HESITATION and you think surely they have some sort of system where they can have a vote they could have a forum and voice opinions because you know all these big decisions cake at manta there's not one where they find that planet thirty sevens where a bunch of people from nineteen thirty seven got pulled in by their caretakers are right because I don't think we've given that she's Voyager sets off after the maquis ship into the pipelines and the bad times but like the Bermuda triangle SPS they get pulled across the galaxy something like seventy thousand light years away from anywhere and it means that I'll take them at least seventy years to get back at the highest work they can day which obviously isn't sustainable either and so they have this prospect of becoming a yeah generational checked that they're trying to get home and they're going to go looking for a worm holes and other ways other technologies because they might find civilizations even more advanced in them and stuff like that they come across this planet with their human inhabitants and it turns out these people within that this caretaker has been pulling stuff for many many years she many centuries through once again it wasn't a caretaker who got thirty seconds I think they were abducted and taken on a flying saucer and taken by actually where %HESITATION Elaine up six days I can't remember it from the first C. as no I think it's the state's second season opener but it was me and to be part of the first season it was one of those consider season was cut short so the raptors who's ever actually produced for that season but they were paid and the second season yeah that was one of them the thirty sevens so they have Amelia Earhart that's how I may suggest that her disappearance was that she was kicked off on this on the planet and so some of them have been cryogenically frozen so she's one of these papers cryogenically frozen so she spend and preservation %HESITATION Simon they wake her up and she's she's a life again and there's this whole civilization of humans descended from these people from nineteen thirty seven and there's this option for the crazy if anybody wants to just settle somewhere because there's a human civilization they can do that and none of them volunteered to do that none of them volunteered to say they'll go off back on the Voyager this is seen in the episode where January says whoever wants to stay on this planet report to the Chicago by two at this particular time is a walking talking with her jacuzzi going down there to see who's turned up and she opens the door and there's no one that when I saw that I just thought it would be the funniest thing to have one person say poked her head out from between two piles of big dangerous boxes or something I just got out yes captain what can I do for you I was just doing a stock take what you doing in cargo bay two okay that might not see nothing is quite important because she says to the crew I'm giving you a choice yeah they make a choice and that's about it for the crew making choices that I have and I never got a option ever again so anything they like to settle here because there's ones where Harry has terrible lock way slough in this series and he never gets promoted and he's never done a proven himself and he's always just an ensign for seven years that we follow it's not all over the price never done see if in the mall and the hassle is terrible luck with relationships but there is one where he and another really and they really property fall enough and they have a really lovely fun relationship that you know her culture really ally her permit her minutes terribly heartbreaking in its first because her species they really combine with each other and it's an even deeper heart break when they're pulled apart from each other and it just feels like he should have already had the option to the stay with her mixtape up early episode with the thirty seven I think it's quite symbolic for the whole of their series that is Voyager because in a situation where it might seem reasonable to give people a choice sometimes they go through the motions of giving everyone a choice not to make a choice yeah that's one of the fundamental elements of democracy is that you say drive one every four years or so he said right now we giving you the choice for the duration of the holding the next parliamentary terms or whatever we're giving you the choice to not to make a choice so as long as you have that choice making ritual once every four years you don't agree that you're not going to be the one who makes any of the choices during the next four years and that seems to be what they do in the thirty sevens in absolute gorgeous %HESITATION and it's called the thirty seconds yeah well it's just a matter of going we're gonna acknowledge that our situation is somewhat dictatorial but it's fine because it's underpinned by the choice by the election what's not to make any choices and that is actually quite common to all of the Star Trek series they're they're going right we're really big of democracy but this particular organization isn't one this organization Starfleet that works for the big democratic organization that is federation it isn't one and it's dictatorial and that has to be falling with everyone because this is how we keep the federation tax and so it's constantly a common tree on what one has to do to hold democracy which is have these organizations at the barricades the non democratic organizations protecting civilians so inevitably as you're playing out that internal negotiation of how reasonable that situation is you're going to have situations where I left tenant comes into conflict with the commander about the commander's decision or will the entire crew comes into contact with the captain about captions decision was very early episode where of TNG where the card is kidnapped and is replaced with this close the clone gets the crew to just fly closer and closer closer to a star such that the radiation schedule appointments going to kill everyone and the question is that the plan was to find out is the idea must find out as we say no to captain is doing the wrong thing really I need any other situation the office is not the case the card can be trusted even when it definitely appears I would like to be doing the wrong thing he can be trusted to actually do the right thing but on that particular occasion no they do meet me in and that's a that's a resistance to it takes a toll authority when it doesn't have that trust factor shot one where writer has heightened or didn't meet new S. this is Carissa Pegasus for it with his previous captain any regrets it and he regretted it because they were right on the captain's wrong isn't it that they don't need me but they just refuse to follow any orders thank you so it's I think they disagree so fundamentally you as well he's ordering them to J. captains to commercial Crofton or some things were going to have to go by now I thought well it's not one where they are that also last episode of enterprise someone they intersect that with they have it so that it's Graham principal recordings that right because Watson on his way to go investigate and he knows what happened to it Choi is trying to help conceal him three this decision to tell Picard you know he's watching this holo program of the last days of the original enterprise as sort of inspiration and it's quite more of it actually that's really weird and they make it into a game which I think in a way it opens it up to be totally wrapped cons because I thought the whole program that's two hundred years that are fine you can crack on that the actors of all ages of course but they could do voice stuff they can see animation or bodies series I mean that would be so great for them to do the last three seasons and audio format or animated format would be for aliens that was something which way your my appetites have been thoroughly west yeah for the culminating founding of the federation yeah that would be home in the enterprise and they kept doing cool forwards to it by having a horse's name at the time travel from where he would come back and say torture right someone's messing with the timeline yeah I need you to fix these things there is this temporal Cold War going on and people keep changing it so that the federation doesn't get found it it's becoming very clear that your radiance to mental case he has to find %HESITATION really upset because it becomes clear as Archie does his thing that he he stops them Dorian's and the falcons fighting so all this and smoothing over relations that way friends he stopped them Dorians in the tower right fighting this is breathing are licensed so with this is the incremental moving towards I have found the federation the gonna do this and then towards the end of season four there's the beginning of these negotiations to sign this treaty which might be one of the first proton documents of the federation is not the federation yet and then running to the end of season four arches that drags forwards in time one more time by this time traveling together you've basically done everything you're going to do guessing the federation to happen this is going to happen in three years look it's you it's a big ceremony founding the federation well done I'm you and I felt sorry wrong a story arc leading up to the front because they're supposed to be there or more by several millions of solace in there before then as in there there's a big war that's meant to happen and that's partly high they'll come together you make me wish I wasn't so I could look at this stuff yeah I haven't I think that's something to do that because in TNG the first time the Romulans around that nobody's seen the Romulans four hundred years none there stop appearance I have an original series and there is a brush with them and I'm surprised but they're never seen because it's already one night and they have to deal with one of their minds the cats after not something that takes into REITs lag and also remotely piloted ship yeah the number of positions there's just a %HESITATION brushing with them so they are there but they're very insular but I think they're supposed to be some sort of fake war that happens and then the federation as party find it I'd have thought coalition come to gather a solid ice defends themselves and then the federation is built on those for planets that come together some something like that I was supposed to all happen that was supposed to play ball what happened in the last three seasons but they never called to get me as we know it sh since you wanna have gone right TNG DS nine version number and then we've got %HESITATION we've got a couple can finally bite the bullet watch division series for about the first day to nine episodes of the original series it's not Star Trek yeah does it recognize it even though it's it's had its second pilot she's got shocked and ran it it's become rebooted just this thing in which they all kind of that recognizable for the first few episodes the uniforms on the right color they keep calling them weapons lasers rather than phases the thing they work for isn't cold Starfleet I think at one point is called the United earth space probation C. as a callback to that much later on I think and start the machine pictures come back to that no no this voice homes things and listen to it okay kind of like in the corner for short will play the thing that they represent isn't called the federation early on it's called you the United earth so there is some sense that there's no such thing as nations left under federation hasn't come about yet it really takes until about the beginning of season two of the business services for Star Trek as we would recognize the thing that's constantly being paid hommage to buy T. I. G. all the way up to discovery for that to come about for the whole we are the federation would not going to sacrifice a federation principles that just doesn't exist from almost the whole of the first season of the original series and United are says reject very frying UP and enterprise this is really something that's happened in the in the last few years for them some sun that is quite integral to the enterprise is what's established in the film first contact sat from Cochran developing work capability yeah first contact its name checked again and again and again and again in enterprise yes this fundamental event including in the mirror universe as its that's it establishes the whole of the Merion ever since we've seen those in Merion of our stuff up until that point but it what happens in enterprise and it isn't a case of they get flung over shared or anything it just shows us that seem crazy in the mirror universe and the credits change they go dark the same chains removed which was a blessing but it goes by and it uses footage from the film and three does it entice them as saffron Cochran rather than shaking hands with civil can say come to visit he M. toxin and they over on their second stellar technology and so then it just goes three for this alternate history and obviously changing point so all of human history until then it's basically the same but they lean into that war side of them and this happens in something a bit twenty sixty six after a third World War after several for you so in the prime universe's late see the emergence of that what would the Cumming United arse so enterprise starts in twenty one fifty one and they operate under the United Artists whatever the nighter star fleet or whatever it is but it's quite a the first few episodes of enterprise make it clear that during that century between Zach from courtroom encounter between first contact with Vulcans and the big events price the falcons have been helping but also doing a whole lot of going no we're not going to give you that technology we have to see whether you're ready for it yeah seven doing quite a lot of sitting back and going yeah they're upstairs and see if see what they develop by themselves and I think that really gets to the dating into this a bit more as well I think in discovery quite suddenly with Spock because it turns out that Michael Burnham is the adopted sister of Spock her parents are killed and she is raised by Sarachan Amanda Spock's parents and so she is reduced as the older sister of Spock and then they do the whole arc that ends up explaining why he is never mentioned her her existence is classified in all of this but with Spock they establish and then deeper eight sat happen after discovery spends long off to the future the ones who are left behind said pike and Spock they have to be deeper if someone happened and Spock talks about eight what will the com familiar chess is the prime directive where they shouldn't interfere with pre war civilizations Shingo poke and basically stopped %HESITATION and poking at things before people are at eight if they can't come up to space to meet us we don't go dine involved in them you know this alien abductions stuff lots so that's why the Vulcans before him hi I'm back and they don't get involved and they humans see this with resentment because I think what you could have just given us says she could have just helped us but the vocals are very measured they say no we need to see you develop this for yourselves and build the maturity for yourselves and show us that you can be right there and the galaxy it's not what you think it is and then it turns eighteen extent they're right I mean it feels like overbearing parenting the antagonism between humans and Vulcans and an enterprise's news because this constant refrain from all the way from the original series through first contact up to the end of origins constant refrain is that humans and Vulcans are brothers they are not the initial making friends from another planet that meant that the federation could happen where's you know enterprise this antagonism is quite yet but it shows again the idea that it's a hard road to get to that level of trust in law except it's actually quite fitting from the he says your politics conflict I like Thai they did that high they wrote that what we see in first contact as the origin for I determined empire rises and the merry universe I think that was really clever and I we have all it's my favorite thing about the whole thing I think it's merry universe and I'd love to have seen hi there would have developed that more in the %HESITATION series because at first so she would have rocks my world is shared think that she's high recaps Giorgio as the emperor so let's be clear about what happens at the end of the mirror universe to process all of enterprise is that the enterprise crew get hold of a starship that's been from there from the prime universe from the future of the prime universe and it's the defiant less ETS and the original series we have a call to this yet but we are going to get to and they've done something with something that happened in the original series the ship just disappears asserts the original service different which is a starship like the enterprise not the Deep Space Nine before him the enterprise crew in enterprise dark universe form sort Merion bus when they get a hold of the starship that's much much faster than anything that everyone at the school well it sure takes it to us planning to take over as I'm and run the last minute how she cites %HESITATION kills has she some planned all along KMG Texas as emperor and that's it it's over and I'm sorry yeah we'll get back to the prime universe yeah it is a fantastic way to Homer universe thing we haven't seen the original series founding of the man as a person we will the whole mirror universe thing goes the way that the federation its rates US relationship with other planets is 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hello you're very welcome to see this latest episode of audio visual cultures the podcast that explores different areas have found media the arts and culture with me Paul applier I am so excited today C. NG xi TI Nicole matter race Nicole works as you'll hear across lots of different areas meaning at the moment the coal is an independent podcaster pet like myself Nichols also been involved in axing including film acting and has a bike ride and some C. H. work as well and pretty saying and writing so there's really quite a lot of different areas to get and see with Nicole we spent quite a bit of time talking about the podcasts that she works on this wild really really excited said and she she cynical she's pretty great as ever huge thank you to all of your third lessening and everybody engaging on social media our instagrams creeping up all the time our our followers are creeping up all the time and it's pretty easy to say it's lovely to have more and more people on board all the time so recording this early January and I realized in late December that we had fallen off apple and I have no idea how that happened but I have fixed the problem we're back on a bill I think that possibly that's why a lot of our numbers are listening numbers drops a while ago I don't know how long this is been a problem for nobody tells me anything you need to tell us stuff because we don't know this it has been rectified we're on a podcast again don't know what happened apologies for that I am apologizing or something that could possibly have been my fault because I didn't change anything AT and T. anything and it was still feeding strangely it was still fading all of the podcast upset are fed from apple so I don't really understand what happened there but we're back we're up and running and it should all be fine again we are searchable and find built on apple's get subscribing and please leave us a really lovely profusely if you can give us five stars if you're not interested in giving us four or five stars I'm not really interested in you David not refuse is just keep it to yourself so back fighting fit go quite burned to eat there in December wasn't very well for a bit December fighting fit again in January this is coming up in February so hopefully that this energy will just keep it's going through the cold dark winter here in the north east of England and once again do I'm in sunny California speaking with the coal so at Sam great to see that if you want to see that join our behind the scenes here %HESITATION Petri on dot com forward slash AV cultures the behind the scenes patrons we already have have the privilege of seeing the videos whenever my casts consent to this they have the privilege of seeing the video recordings of these episodes and they get that released to them after a few days before the actual audio edit come site so if that's something you would like to see if you would like to see our lovely faces especially hopefully he's gas I'm having here beside in California if you'd like to see their son a glowy faces and made a limited appeal in the dark corner of the history and then the winter then head on over to our patron and join top tier it's if you're in the U. K. it's five find some months and it's something else and the other currencies but it's five points a month for a question and and you get quite a lot actually four thoughts on it really helps us out quite a bit because if anybody's been following you might have noticed I really made a push over the winter C. get more transcripts site there at the minute it's the automated transcripts that have come from either U. keychain or from a cast so they are anything but perfect and it would be great to see have some funding to be able to say pay me to go through them so that I get something for that time because it's really time consuming going through them and making sure everything is correct and hyper linking things and that sort of stuff so at the minutes to even just making sure the transcript is Eris it's a bad actor from what I'm doing but I'm hoping that learning better recording techniques and using better tack this is my first time using sand caster and I think you will really notice the difference from St because I was getting tired of me and my guest having really good microphones and it still Sinding really Ralph antennae and scratchy and horrible because of his similac and sang caster souls those problems on it so crisp and clear and I just wish I'd heard about it sooner but I'm so grateful that I find an alliance I think they're doing amazing work in the world turns everybody needs to know about them so that Sam caster and I'm going to think of this and so much more and the show notes but look for noise I've rambled Archie and north really enjoy this child with Nicole she snaps it delights and she's working on some reading lovely things and she seems to be just a really great person as well so really enjoy this one and thanks are second with this Nicole mastery set such a joy to have you on audio visual culture society very very warm welcome thank you it's really wonderful to be here I really appreciate a call thank you I'm ready please you got in touch nickel you work across a lot of different areas and will try to buy lots of different things to see what we meander and see but first of all would you please tell us where you are and how you're doing today yes I am currently in central California a lot of people refer to it as the Central Valley so three hours north of Los Angeles and three hours south of San Francisco and how I'm feeling today is is really good and optimistic which is nice you know it wake up it's pretty early where I am it's ten thirty I woke up at about seven something feeling refreshed which is I'm not a morning person so that was a nice feeling for me to be like well I'm in a good mood today I'll take it you know first thing in the morning before I had my coffee to which usually I need to wait until then but so so so far doing very optimistic today awesome that's really great to hear yes this is going well not just as been dark here for a couple of ours for in the evening here in the U. K. it's so nice to be able to see these trans Atlantic recordings I think and the timings are and all that but they were great but it's nice for me to see nice sunny faces well that's that's great so I can ask you it's almost like time travelling how's that how is the day been so far so it's evening for you days out nearing an end has it been a good day I think it's been all right yeah I've been in a fight you know life saying that working on stuff in planning this recording I've been writing my questions for you in this thing to your podcasts this morning and then I was working on a job application because we only need one of those and some stuff came in the post so that was exciting had things to play with from the post so yeah just said he's been dialed to Haiti but I've been really looking forwards said having this topic this year it's been really nice said vicariously get to know your tiny bit through this thing to some of your podcasts thank you thank you very much for listening I appreciate you know any and all this and that doesn't to me it doesn't matter how how big the audience is just if people are listening I appreciate it so thank you very much yeah well I've been enjoying it so we will talk about your podcasts each in detail and it begs but I was just wondering if you'd be happy as well to give us a bit of an overview on all the things you do because you do some acting as well you've done some producing America and I think it better for writing I read somewhere as well and would you be happy to just lay some of that right for us and you know how would you describe yourself absolutely and I'm happy to kind of start from the beginning because it is kind of a long story and I do you know I am kind of a Jack of all trades %HESITATION I like to think I'm a master of some but I would also cut out but I do a lot of us are from the beginning %HESITATION all right was not born in Long Island New York %HESITATION and for for people who are unfamiliar because I moved to the west coast you realize people are unfamiliar with Long Island there is literally an island just kinda jutting out of New York and I'm from that region of America the United States America went to high school there went to college in upstate New York on Lake Ontario and studied broadcasting creative writing I always enjoyed writing and acting and in college I really does more so into that I took script writing classes absolutely loved it realize I wanted to write a movie one day and that I just enjoyed dialogue much like me talking to you Paul I enjoy making my characters talk to each other as well %HESITATION and I realize that something I enjoy yeah I acted in student loans and student plays and really build up a resume which is really nice %HESITATION jump forward a few years later I graduated college and moved to Brooklyn New York which is a part of a borough in New York City and it looks back on my resume of student film student plays and realized I had a resume you know at the time when I was working on all that stuff back in college I think I was just like god this is just for fun like this is for for me what did you know it still is but you know no one's really going to care about this in the future and I could have been more wrong I made a resume an acting resume a writing resume I'm stuffed I worked on an applied for sketch comedy teams and I was on the sketch comedy house team at the people's improv theater in New York where I performed on stage I wrote I managed like an SNL but lower budget live on stage at a feeder %HESITATION this is one theater spaces were opened so %HESITATION yes I got into that more so in New York kept at it with being in my friend's web series and films and and projects from there got the opportunity to be in a I. Troma movie which is the longest running independent film company that was a really big moves on being in you know a feature length movie I had a couple lines I had a small part but I had a good part and then I got the confidence and the resume to move to Los Angeles my fiancee who at the time was my boyfriend was here I moved to Los Angeles %HESITATION was acting writing %HESITATION I'll sorry I should write in New York I also produced my own comedy shows me every day I end up Bruce producing some sketch comedy shows an improv show and ended up %HESITATION writing producing directing and acting in a plane so I got the confidence to move to Los Angeles if you like okay I could follow my Hollywood you know dream that I've had since I was little I got the resume the real all that stuff I'm going to go I'm happy I jumped into it when I did that because little did I know that things which shut down in an unprecedented time just a few months into any living there and things weren't weren't happen the way they do that %HESITATION so I really did jump and I was just kind of getting background work but I was happy to be there and %HESITATION I did have some acting work I did I did some voice acting while I was there and was in Los Angeles for a little under two years %HESITATION during then I had produced a couple web series just right from my home which is very nice remote but my friends also being remote yeah we found in our apartment you know separately across the country and then the time came right realize you know I could still be passionate about independent film and be in my apartment and I didn't have to be in court on court Hollywood to produce I began the podcast and realize again I could be sitting in a room anywhere in the world and make this stuff I don't have to be in a particular location so that's what led me to where I am today I do have to podcast I host totally tubular %HESITATION which is the one that began in twenty twenty one %HESITATION early twenty twenty one I should say I co host with my friends we talk about a new animated show every week and just towards the end of twenty twenty one I began my own podcast called totally recommend this dude I realized that I wanted to talk to people about podcasts it just kind of want to talk people's ears off about it to be honest and I was like you know what like I I should I should record myself yeah I talk about the podcast and I enjoy it so that's where I am today you know kinda nice that you made people could just connect anywhere in the world now as long you have a microphone or webcam you're good to go so that's where I am now brilliance thanks for that Nicole I totally echo those sentiments side I've really so enjoy it even before the pandemic connecting these people street podcast saying it but the pandemic strangely for this podcast is a a real blessing because I get to meet people like you I hear you so far away from me you're basically on the other side of the world and yet we're having this child's life and other people are gonna get to hopefully benefit from not you know that I think that's a really special thing that we can do a nine I agree and I have to say I like had a %HESITATION I I applaud you so much for being in the podcast game prior to the pandemic you know %HESITATION I started a podcast in I think is twenty nineteen and I mean it's okay it was a good practice round it just like didn't really it was overly ambitious I think I wanted to write two hundred words a day and talk about it on a podcast which like that's a great idea I just couldn't keep up with it I became too busy but being in lockdown really helped me be like %HESITATION like I do like podcasting and now I'm I'm in a space where I could really do it consistently and I agree like I don't know if even prior to the pandemic if I would have thought of networking with people all over the world it really did kind of bring us all together in its high because as isolated as we all are we're we're coming together in other ways which is a blessing as you said it's a silver lining and everything I think so yeah to expose because we were on not already then it be nice to see have a bit more of a closer look at each of those podcasts at your working on currently so I really love the idea of totally recommend this states so that's where you you're recommending podcast that he really likes you talk for maybe a bite fifteen minutes or so apart a podcast you're listening to you and you're ready interested in and outside a year maybe learning a lot from and it's really lovely day here those experiences you know I'm somebody he listens very widely to podcasts as well and zero waste you know open to hearing about the ones you've never heard of yet you know so I I particularly like that if I did it and it's something AT and T. %HESITATION email newsletters I deal with this podcast it's a monthly newsletter and I have a little spot in it where I recommend something I finessing taste so I felt a real affinity with you making that would you like to say I suppose get into just a bit more detail that affect that and may be hi natives if you want if you if you would like to buy what year lessening T. and why why you want to share that so much was people and those sorts of things absolutely and and I just want to start off by saying I'm going to subscribe to your email newsletter and I want to know what you're listening to so cool that you you know do something similar that's great yeah I would love to talk about it more you know I made a on Twitter page for fantasy shed %HESITATION which is the production company that hosts totally tubular right that was the first podcast I really got my footing and and I saw a lot of people particularly tweeting anyone have podcast recommendations that's one I see very frequently right like whether it's you know there's there's some theories out there spots and but you know what I saw frequently nothing like okay statistically there have to be people really looking for podcasts right and I realized that I you know had there there was a brief time where I was commuting Lee ran on twenty twenty one where things kind of seems like they're getting back to where they were prior to twenty twenty and I found myself reaching out to friends and asking more so you know I'm I'm walking to work I'm commuting by bus to work I need a pot I need a good contact castle listen to and they would recommend something to me and then I would want to recommend something to someone else but sometimes I send big blocks of text messages to my friends and you know everyone's getting recommendations are so much content these days that I kind of felt that it was spam them and so between seeing that on Twitter and listening and being like real wake and two areas I can listen to podcasts I decided to begin my own podcast talking about it %HESITATION and talking about what I I I want to have a healthy balance of promoting my friends podcasts and promoting podcasts but people I don't know figure just a good way to to promote independent art etcetera so so that was the idea behind totally recommend this dude some of the podcast I I would like to recommend done here and and you hit the nail on the head to Paul that there's a lot of learning that can be had from podcast and there are two in particular that I just recently released that I think do exactly that kind of change the way you think or open your mind to the way you think %HESITATION I don't know if you have listen to the shrink next door the podcast if you like true crime %HESITATION which I know it's like some people are really gung ho about true crime stories some people are really like that's not my thing and you know either way respective district next door open my eyes to what a true crime story could be because it's a little bit ambiguous I don't want to spoil too much you know if you want to listen to I don't want to ruin the story for you but that one change the way and with my mind to like what a true crime story could be so that when I I spoke about on my podcast and %HESITATION just recently I dropped an episode about a podcast that I actually was watching because the upload to YouTube to us watching %HESITATION before I spoke with you it's called the trillion our mindset and that one open my mind and change the way I think about finance money and S. T.'s stocks as a creative I always thought that was a world that was not for me which is narrow minded by I did think that it was for the buttoned up Manhattan Wall Street you know stock guys at and not for the everyman so that %HESITATION podcaster trainer mindset open my eyes like okay no this is this is for the every person so those are those are two that I would really recommend people listen to the entire radius but when you just mentioned that it's really in their mind sets and it's just nice to hear what you're getting out of it and I think that's probably what's missing because a similar T. you get bombarded I think if you're a podcast on Twitter you can %HESITATION you know you know your podcast buddies he got old and ended is %HESITATION is any podcasts racks you know in a million people's jumping on it going listen to me listen to me listen to me yeah and then there's things like good pods that have sprung up that goes like we're basically your your one stop shop for that we're basically Gatorade's but for podcasts and stuff I think you're in somebody talk about it and it's a nice format where it's quite an everyday thing and I think that's why most of us are listing it's why we're just day and stuff around the house for example are commuting or whatever we're doing something else usually while we're listening to a podcast so I recall that sense from listening to your episodes because I get those sort of Eureka moments we are testing something out hello I don't see it live my life the way I see it this way and try that yeah I love those Eureka moments that's really like such an amazing thing about podcasting right Paul and you and you hit the nail on the head it's amazing how there's this format now I mean the joke the ongoing joke on Twitter to raise it like everyone has a podcast now whatever first of all I think it's a great thing because it helps independent artists get their voice out another thing is like well how fortunate are we to like have so much knowledge available to us I mean on one hand you could say it's overwhelming because it it's like information overload but on the other hand yeah you could go on wherever you listen to podcasts you're someone just tell you a story about something and learn something brand new in like like you said fifteen minutes I feel like we're fortunate for that I forget if I set it on my podcast or if I'd like posted on you know Twitter Instagram promoting it but listen to what I guess is your brush your teeth like whatever as your as you're getting ready in the morning to take on the day listen to a podcast like it doesn't have to be you know like it could be fine and casual yeah I love that about it if you're enjoying the show room and would like more information straight to your inbox head over to audio visual culture style wordpress dot com linked in the show notes and sign up to our mailing list it be great to hear that more bite to the ten younger as well because and again this is a topic quite close to my heart and huge animation fan it's a really nice I easier that you and your friends get together you know you pick it an animated series and you just go to tighten it there's a bit of friendly banter there as well between all of you to get it over and talk it just wanted to ask you as well then what's your experiences working on tasks hi did top idea come up by since why cartoons what do your limitations you know all that sort of stuff tell us all apart from the tenure yeah I'm happy to do so let me as a long story I feel like all my stories a long story so far to me but I want to make sure to get the details and so so the creator of totally to annular %HESITATION James very good friend of mine has had my back both as a friend and creatively for a long time you know I mean on the kind of thing what we both want to list each other to be like okay yeah like my friends working on this project get involved or like yeah look let me put you in contact with so and so and you don't like we we help each other network and and build our our resume in our contacts so he and I met years ago and like I said I've worked together on some projects including an animated show that he put out he made and he made the first episode four called underpowered people to watch the trailer for that on %HESITATION trauma and into trouble for trump as you to page and on watch trump analysis or streaming service just a little promo there so yes %HESITATION James created these animated shows and the pandemic was keeping everyone on lockdown and he sent us a text myself Ben and Leo in early February twenty twenty one this was on my birthday actually I think I'm about ready so it's really also nice to get that text or he was like Hey you know you three I think it was a very he phrased it very funny which I love he's like you three have your have your life together you want to do a podcast with me about I think you wanted to show that like cartoons aren't like I think there's a bad stereo type of cartoons and just like I don't know lazy people watching it now based on whatever all day not really you know the best area type but unfortunately stereotypes do exist and he wanted to put out there like not like enjoy anime shows it can be for everyone so I was really I was really flattered to for him to ask me that I actually had been I just getting a little bit more personal I had been in a creative slump I mean first of all twenty twenty anyone that's stayed productive and creative in and enriched in twenty twenty like all power to them because I found that incredibly challenging I actually had a death in the family hold it yeah thank you %HESITATION my grandfather passed away no and that happened like may twenty twenty and like from there I lost all my creative juices %HESITATION I was like you know what like I'm not going to push myself like I'm just like going to you know let my mental health needs seal and and and chill out so I had to eventually got into working on stuff and this was also a really nice welcome from my friend to be like Hey like I enjoy you all you gotta do is show up you know weekly last with me about cartoons and like let's have a good time no I was so on board it was such a good way to like get back into like my creative bug for lack of a better word like you said Paula you love animated shows it's just it's just I have a good laugh and have a good time we we tend to like go a little bit off the rails and and I'm just talking about like like we don't keep it particularly and metrically anime shows the whole time we have like a fine conversation just our last episode we watched the critic which I highly recommend I don't know if you've watched it was my first time watching it and and talk to it %HESITATION these two gentlemen you lie in Andrew that have worked on on horror movie called the reenactment and so we talked about like their movie and like I met them so we're kinda like connecting and networking you know I mean similar with you I mean now it's been a fun way to keep in contact with friends you know like every week I'm like okay at least for like an hour or or so I know I'm gonna like you know have a good laugh with my friends when people listen they have a good laugh do yeah it is interesting how you feel like you get to know the people you that you're testing C. and then you have to really so no actually my friend they don't know he just knows I know what you mean I do that I do that same thing but I mean you'll see in like as episodes of of totally recommend is due to come out unlike giving shout outs a like you're doing a great job to like was I totally get that that's very sweet being an anti podcaster I would take anything I can get even if I never hear a fight it take anything yeah oh my gosh I totally agree and like I saw a meme %HESITATION what was I still think this really cute meme of like this little girl playing a guitar and like a kitten listening to her and it was like it doesn't matter how big your audiences that you like you know people appreciate you yeah and you know you're doing great I just putting out art so I totally agree I mean I'm an indie podcaster to obviously so I'm in the same boat as you sure with to the titular as well one of the criticisms I have of my own show of audio visual cultures is I think it's too broad in a sense and it's brought because those are my interests site I'm really interested in where different media start to slip over each other and converge and I don't really like to get keeper have pine trees over those things and I think where a lot of podcasts D. Reidy while probably like to the tenure it's very clear with lots of fights and as you say you you talk about other things you don't you know what strikes if I thought but that is the core premise of the show is right we're gonna take this animated series American it going to tight on that you know we can you really tell the truth yet do we think about it I think that's a really lovely format and it's one of those where it's fairly and less you're not really ever going to run out of material for that I that's a good point yeah that's true yeah we %HESITATION we really are all over the map the groups one rule is no anime just because we think it's like a different you know like we feel like it's another Avenue of content in creation and we feel like we can almost have another podcast just on enemy but other than that we are all over the map as far as what we could watch and talk about yeah the evidence is while scrolling trying to see what we've covered so far as well over the past almost year nine which is great thank you that's a big deal get into your first year thank you because I saw all these people are going to be much younger than they think and then talk intimate shows I've never heard of but that's not the case you yard looking at a lot of stuff hi Watson I was a kids but youth maybe come to in a very different way and the internet has facilitated that very much the you are watching stuff that I was watching as a child in the nineties the Batman series sealed spider man series you know all those searches shows I grew up on and to your date in my system since but you've gone right back and said I was I sent a bit today to see the episode on Futurama as well in huge feature on my farm so good and again you know you're old much younger than me coming today and I was in my teens and you know it spoke to me in different ways you know and it's one of the shows where I have watched it on hard Lutetian at different points in my life and I still want to go back and re watch a whole lot again because it just gives me so much joy yeah it is really great to hear all of you guys and and you do you talk about that so if you talk about how you've come to something as well which I really like we we do I mean we %HESITATION you know oftentimes have almost too many ideas to cover because like I said there's so much which were fortunate for it it's great you mentioned Batman the animated series what a great show well as I like it was my first time watching it I thought it was great James is a huge Batman fan so he was like okay please like the first time so this is my choice you know so sometimes things like that like that to show that I chose that I was hike so gung ho about is a Netflix show called love death and robots I I'm not sure if you watch that one it is it is Graham it is ten feet %HESITATION so that might not be some people saying it's always a win win for all its like an anthology right so each number so it is a different type of animation my totally different team and and that was one that I had like pitched you know to the group like %HESITATION I think this is a fun one to talk about so what we do have a lot of different ways we we we come up with that our topic to talk about sometimes will have guests as you as you saw in that was a list and I will say the gas was wanted you want to talk about and that's how %HESITATION the critic is fresh in my mind because I was our most recent conversation that was how the critic came about it's wonderful because I'm introduce it to things like so what you said like you and I are from different generations I don't know if I would have heard of the show the critic if not for totally tubular and I loved it so funny I think it's the producers of the sensations it was like a very short lived show which sometimes obviously exist sometimes there's hidden gems none there and like I mentioned this earlier but there's so much content out there they these days which is on one hand wonderful on the other hand it's hard to figure out something that will really make you feel good and really make your day so totally Turner is great for that Brandon's I I would really like to see hear about your experiences with axing because you mentioned earlier and I was reading through your internet babies out of the speeds are while you have got a fair few credits for in the past few years you know you've done as you say you've had some small roles in feature films you've done some short films as well %HESITATION and it be retails here by your experiences Wes axing in Feltham if that's alright absolutely oh my gosh do I have a story yeah I mean when I was a little little kid you know as early as I could like speak for whatever reason my mom watched grease all the time and we will so we watch grease all the time you know that move that movie from the I wanna say seventies eighties whatever my mom already tell the story that I was watching it and I was like what are they doing like when you call that and she was like acting out like that's what I want to do and from there it was all downhill from there no I'm kidding it's over there my mom you know sign me up for %HESITATION acting classes nearby you know kids could act together really enjoyed it and got to elementary school middle school time wears like school play time and I like never got leads I always got some laurels but you know it it has helped me in my life and I'll explain why in a second so very humbling I was just excited to like be a part of the production you know no matter how big how small I eventually got like lines like I got lines I took a while yes %HESITATION so then %HESITATION throughout high school I really more so focused on writing I was really into journalism also my high school paper and kind of put a like you know what I'm not getting getting roles getting meaty roles in the plays I'm gonna focus on writing instead got to college and again had that same like doozy Azam where I'm like I just want to be a part of something like I don't have to be the star of the show I just like like give me a line and I'm and I'm happy %HESITATION and I do feel like that's kind of where I am today which actually has been a humbling experience you know and it has been nice for my for my many projects to be honest I don't have to do it I don't feel the need to be the star of the show if someone to put me in that spot very nice but I'm just happy to be a part of stuff so the role yet the rules will see on my IMDb I don't think any of them are leads I think a lot of them are like supporting work whatever and I'm like completely fine with that like I'm completely happy with that I don't have I don't feel any sort of need to be an Oscar winning lead a woman again if it happens you know I happened to go in Oscar no big deal so so I think that is actually why I've had a level of success acting lies is because I'll bring a million percent two small roles you know did nine my whole life I've always been told there's no small roles just small actors and I feel like that's like completely apply to me I'm going how about your project you're giving me three lines but I'm they're going to be like the best three lines that I like I could I could give you and I do I do think I've had success for that reason you know another another reason is because %HESITATION how do I want to put this I dedicate a lot of time tonight which you seem to as well all the writing I dedicate a lot of time to my art and I realized when I got to college specifically that there were times I'd rather be in on a Friday night writing a screenplay then down at a party that's not to say that there I do it like have a balance but that was something I really realize about myself which I'm sure as a creative you feel similar way like having the passion and the heart to dedicate the time to it can make a big difference yeah it's really good to hear thank you an interview I had with somebody back in November is that an actress he is really dropping hard at a lot of those supporting roles Katie isn't enough for a long time and I think you know is at a point where it's become exhausting but she just works so hard at it and she put some effort into it you know and it has paid off at times as well you know she's been in maybe Swiss Nicholas cage and stuff like that you know how to sing wonder this out between you and stuff you know so it's one of those things where if you keep working at that but protect yourself because it's a really harsh industry as well but you can find top balance protecting yourself to really put yourself out there and work and supercharge then he knows what Scannell ichi it's it's so true I applaud anyone you're watching a movie and there's extra is on the screen walking around and I applaud them no because like even getting to that spot is a challenge %HESITATION and and not because you know the lack of talent or anything of course not anything like that just because like you said it's competitive mmhm the harsh industry a lot of rejection so good for people that you know stick with it despite the odds go for them yeah it's an industry where there's a lot more rules than you think I've got friends here in Belfast and you'll have heard of game of servants right so a lot of gather certain systems over north in art and you know I had friends who were the likes of hounds opals and things you know so you'd have shown a nerd Peter dictator he ever those doctors are really expensive and if it's just going to be a part of their body and not their face it's in the shop it's usually a double of some kind you know certain I have a lot of friends who you're registered with the extras it didn't cease background actors and stuff and they got loose a fork Jan hound doubles and made some TV shows and stuff you know there's a friend of mine Hey there's a TV show %HESITATION that is really popular here in the U. K. coast line of duty it said police procedural shows and you know he is the hands of one of the main characters he sometimes using the phone you know on screen of this character and stuff it's can be pretty decorative and it does involve acting you know and it's just different because you did it with your hands and you think that you know you cannot be expressed in the hand but the way that you can deal with the phone or the way you look at a text message or something can be really telling and not I think that does take quite a bit of crafts and talents and you know it's not just a bite turning up and saying license you know so as you say if you can be a presence while you're doing what you're doing you know I think that Sam I really kill thing to think about it that's great and you know it and and here I go learning something new from you I that's so cool there you go there's another element of the the industry that you know maybe a little bit more accessible than being the A. list actor and again your friend it's so cool they bring their everything to something as I say simple I don't mean simple but like in in a bad way but you know like as as just looking at a phone like that and they bring their all to that good for them that's something I gotta do you mind and I wrote down line of Judy I've actually never heard of that show %HESITATION but I would like to check that out I was really into coronation street once that but yeah I know her very well Hey I like soap operas and I wanted to like watch %HESITATION some soap operas from other countries so it was a lie and you do something about check out if your friend that's awesome yeah it's a BBC show so maybe BBC America passes okay probably will yeah nice one of the credit she has is softening T. the final beginning and I haven't seen it but I love the title thanks I say things I didn't come up with the title also sat out to Brandon yeah yeah see signs like a couple of Speicher's episode or something I know you mean that we did about as burgers episode until they do know there are a lot of ending yeah yeah yeah yeah that was a really fun movie that was docile so I guess to drum up %HESITATION entertainment long running independent some company %HESITATION Lloyd Kaufman who founded drama produced slashing the final beginning of really fun movie I do recommend it I mean I'm biased because I'm in it but I also recommend it's also like it's fun to be a part of projects that are like also something that I would like enjoy on my on my own you know like I really love horror movies I love low budget horror movies this one's definitely like a comedy harder to that was a lot of fun and I do have like a couple lines in that I am I have a small world but you know I have to be a part of it I'm words streaming now sure it might be on it might be untrue on the streaming service watching someone else but what if you ever get the opportunity to watch it I would recommend it yeah that's a sign from Heidi end up in those rules he goes through the audition process you hardest outwork us a lately it's really Bana when I was in LA I was doing a lot of auditions so my friend James who I mentioned worked with Brandon on another movie I forget exactly how it came about but like Mike that my connection to James and his connection to Brandon the director writer helped get me in the door so you know it vies for anyone listening is %HESITATION like have a good group of friends your friends want to help you and they want to see you like six seed and they want to have your back end it's worth its weight in gold there is like this %HESITATION stigma about Los Angeles right that it's a lot of people using each other and a lot of C. can ask because people just want to get ahead in their careers and something that I learned really really early on which I'm very fortunate someone said to me was %HESITATION make your relationships transformative not transactional nine and I really thought that was good advice for like sometimes I hate the word networking but sometimes it is the best word to use the wrong way to network in the right way to network people can tell if you're being disingenuous and just want to use that to get ahead and it really doesn't serve you know the general you either like make friends that aren't that likes to make stuff to my friends that I host my podcast with I'm totally tubular they're all filmmakers to where I'm very fortunate to have like met them and to know them because they're genuine they're smart they're talented and we all like have each other's backs so that's the one piece of advice I can really take away it's like being nice to your friends is a very nice to your friends I think I think that is important advice and what you said about being genuine as well chance from transactional to read any good saying I think that's brilliant S. or anything we haven't touched on yet that you really dines talk by Nicole I do for you follow the lead and I don't mean I don't want to put you on the spot so feel free to think about it what are some of your favorite animated shows on and like I said feel free to think I yeah you know kind of put you on the spot here but just when you had said you know that you like anime Jos a I know you mentioned you grew up with future alma that's a great one %HESITATION is there any others that you like I'd love to hear about him I have so many %HESITATION you should show sometimes you don't like that because I really love that she's trying to Bob's burgers as well which is probably can sorry S. U. S. really appreciate it I watched a lot last year was disenchantment okay I think a lot of people have had problems of disenchantment but I am I spent a lot of time in that day what I watched well there is actually a bait to three times the first watch it's quite difficult to get and see but then I watched it again because I thought there's there's something in this and then I watched as the third time and I found the necklace it every freedom of it as a work of art you know it it's absolutely stunning animation the casting and it is amazing so if anybody doesn't know about disenchantment at semi granting show as well for me because I'm such a super super nerds I %HESITATION this blog post where I made an argument for high it's in the same universe as Futurama is that it's the past and future our mystery serial circa compiled evidence for why thank god because I'm such a nerd here though and I a lot of that please %HESITATION if you could send that to me I would love to read that blog post that's really cool that sort of thing yeah so that so that's when I really appreciate it and I'm looking forward to it part four of stock coming I highly %HESITATION sometime in the next year okay cool yeah there's quite a lot of other shows in the net some of the issues as we mentioned that you have discussed because they think you looked at the X. men from the nineteen nineties as well as I've got that right that was one of my favorite when I was a kid nice there's one that I think it's still not six a friend of mine pointed decided to me you know after lord of the rings ally do it just started doing really weird offbeat stuff yeah I do love that yeah I yeah one of the projects he did do is this on a mission and this is one series is I think ten episodes on there quite short episodes called over the garden wall okay I'm pretty sure it's still in that six it was a cartoon network saying the recess and they went through this experimental for years I think and then our new year two thousand so I think I think if I remember right it's about two thousand six or somewhere thereabouts it's just an absolute delight you know and and a very strange way I think there's broad strokes similarities way spirited away well he's a child he something happens to him and he gets whisked off to you re wakes up and he finds himself in this really strange other worldly supernatural place where everything makes sense of the people in it but to him it's all just bonkers yet he is quite at home in a and he is very coming of age saying I won't spoil what you get to the ends but it's really it's really something special right I think it's really beautifully man it's probably done my time Mr likes a family guy and American dad I have watched them for a long long time but there was a time when I was a massive fan of services while I need to search their animation said Sam I'm dying to see that I haven't seen yet I use the command of the IT and life Trekkie and I'm dying to see lower tax and prodigy so looking forward to those at some points yes this was such a few because I kids talk all day of my next yes we should definitely have you on the on our show totally junior Larissa if you like I I'd love to %HESITATION I know some of these I've seen but you certainly sold me on disenchantment and over the garden wall so I'm gonna check those out so cool I think there were sent I think they really were sent nice radiance I just really enjoyed this the coolest been so fun to to China thank you Paul you too yeah we've gone into quite a lot of detail on a lot of your shoes and yeah I'm just really enjoy and listen to more of your stuff I think for it to last and when it subscribed to your %HESITATION recommendation she was welcomed some thank you thank you repose podcast nerds as well as animation nerds this is really nice yes yes I love it I would love to %HESITATION tell your audience not to yes please subscribe to my podcast totally tubular and totally recommend this dude on Spotify totally recommend this dude does have a Twitter too so please follow that and %HESITATION fantasy shed on the production company has a Twitter and please feel free to follow me on Instagram I kind of just went to promos here but I thought that was what I was gonna ask you next anyway that's great yeah and if there's anywhere else on the interwebs at any one might bump and TA just list them all and then this units as well also yes yes I %HESITATION my Instagram is under score and I C. O. L. E. S. and the H. E. A. R. E. S. E. yeah I'm all over the internet has %HESITATION matchmaker the podcast networking website I'm on link Dan I'm on get your usual Instagram Twitter I'm not on tick tock I'm not cool oh my gosh it's not I mean no disrespect to take talk just like I haven't been able to %HESITATION get into it the same way other people have I use other I use either a inter web stuff so yeah there is he should head on on Instagram too I forgot to promote that up I don't run that page so I usually go to promote it but my my friend James I mentioned he runs a fancy sets Instagram so give them a follow to brilliant %HESITATION have you guys got anything coming up that you wanna point people towards entice people less yeah I would love to I love you know what I'm recording this where we have it and sort of tune you're not totally doing they're coming out yeah yeah we have them every Saturday morning %HESITATION this next one we're talking about an animated show I've never heard of the SLORC called earthworm Jim a lot of our spring jam so much you can get enough of that when I was a kid I still have the song in my head it's honestly those are sort of jammed and so on you love it I have to watch more of it admittedly you know before the next episode but that's good to know I have a weird when I was like oh there's no way to answer to this but that's also it went so that'll be a fun episode and would particularly fun about that episode is so my best friend from from college %HESITATION Lindsay sometimes comes in as a as a guest on the show and she's actually going to be co hosting %HESITATION this time around two is gonna be her first time hosting with us on the show so that's going to be fine well sort of going on well monthly I have new episodes of totally recommend this to you the idea is that you know I hope people listen to the podcasts I recommend if they want to you know in between the new episode so tune in for a for a new episode of us totally recommend this due next month I am associate producing a movie called curse of the where deer I would love you guys checked checked out out yes another outro mom trilogy sent movie my %HESITATION co host of a totally tubular Dan is directing it my friend Jimmy's rating it it's going to be another fun funny horror movie which is like totally my Cup of tea it it's yours check it out it's interesting because like we're all home it right now right I don't know be nice to people that's I'm going to get any less so you know we all we all need a little bit and I just miss so a lot okay anyone else listening is not nice like it's just getting out into the world it never hurts to remind her yeah thank you Paula they even the save yeah because even really nice people can lease the rather themselves and not be very nice so it's good to have a reminder you know it I have a funny stories I could tell it really fast yeah you don't want because I do think that like I lived in New York City for a bit and I know it New York City people have the reputation of being a little bit like you know harsh and and I don't think it's that they're like actually mean I think it sets are just like so much going on it's overwhelming it's it's fine to get it wrong it's like there's a lot so when I moved from New York to Los Angeles I still kinda had that like hardy and you know six years %HESITATION but I really so nice I mean again there's that like stereo type that they're fake but like that has not been my tastes are I think I've I think there are a lot of really nice people there so someone was writing on like a scooter right like a motor scooter he was very clearly like my fault I was just like on my phone texting and like gotten their way and they're being so nice is like my first week in LA they're like oaks use me like you know just like being nice and I was like what you're going you know my like your girl take watch it watch it and they were like you have a good day you know like oh my god they don't we just killed me with kindness like I feel so I'm not in Kansas anymore I got a like I feel so bad so you know what as you said Paul it sometimes we all just need a little reminder that it's like it's okay to be nice where it's okay we can do that's friends Nicole masteries it's been such a joy speaking with you pasar it's been great I hope we can continue talking and get to know each other and bring him to you as well Paul I'm going to reach out to you in the near future about being I guess until he didn't do you know if you like he
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and though you're very welcome and see another audio visual cultures this is a podcast where we hope can poke and the Nixon crannies of media arts and all things cultural production I'm your host Paula Blair and I am really delighted to present this conversation today with Damian Taylor he does lots of software's loads again in this episode me and the team and has been using his vast experience and the technology industries to find creative solutions three storytelling to address gaps in representation and media and tech industries and you'll hear a love bite this in the episodes were gonna talk about Damien's podcasting particularly his series tak which of which he is the creator and co writer and we're gonna talk about aids Ludovic different experiences and it's a really lovely conversation I know you'll get a lot idea for this ninety S. so before I pass over to the my past self and Damien a massive sign Kate are amazing patrons over it PhD on dot com forward slash AP cultures for supporting the podcast it really means a lot that you keep supporting the show and may making asked if anyone else listening is interested and getting some extra content on some early releases we've called a special behind the scenes here and there's by PT Sierra which would just help maintain the podcast and help keep improving everything and give me something for it to work that IT making this show because I don't have ads on the show and I'm to turn amends to keep it that way however I am very happy T. T. and kind thoughts with us our podcasts so if anyone's listening and you're interested in that sort of thing yep I've got a little thirty second ads so %HESITATION just separate and see one of your shows and I'm very happy to do the same on a more fun notes I don't do it very often because it's a bit scary but I occasionally that casts a cast on the lead X. for the show and I think I have started to enjoy concentrating more on what countries were being unloaded and and Belgium keeps coming back on top by I don't know what it is but hello Belgium Bonjour you're so welcome I love the people there listening to the show or at least I'm hoping it's whether you're listening or not who knows that you're consistently coming right up of the UK and the U. S. so %HESITATION well done yay I'm just so excited to have you on board space to get in touch I'd love to hear people %HESITATION lesson from and to learn about why you're listening %HESITATION that would be amazing I'm gonna stop bothering you because I just enjoy it so much chatting with Tammy and I really enjoy listening to his podcast C. makes another podcast called professional confessions I really recommend because we talk about it it's come up in the podcast before that we've dealt way stocks are twenty hole and Rachel Breck we've talks about a toxic workplaces and abuse in workplaces and that sort of thing before so professional confessions is actually a really pretty helpful podcast listen to there's only a few episodes so far it's pretty quite a so please stay make sure you go in like in the show notes below where third links for all of these things for night enjoy this time with Damien he's brilliant Damien Taylor here so welcome J. audio visual cultures I've been really excited to talk she said Jeremy attend school and talks last week and your exactly Hey I wanna talk say on the spot so if you're so welcome thank you for joining me I thank you so much I'm so flattered I was really excited yeah so if it's okay can I start by asking you hi are you are you doing okay and where a bite sorry of course of course I'm doing great I'm enjoying this unseasonably warm fall that we're having and I'm going to Los Angeles so very odd Paul it's been it's forty degrees today eighty degrees tomorrow and Ben Rainey and the sun is out you're melting so these are but I'm enjoying it approximations okay he had over in the stylist rose of autumn where I am and you cast upon talking very cold I'm very dark so yeah and some enjoying the brightness of your screen while my son darkness so damn man I have been really enjoying lasting three year different call casts and read now on all your work thank you Jenna cross different media you have a real emphasis on addressing the lack of diversity across different media I'm sure we'll talk about it a lot of those issues we can I assign a lot of talk for people and pets so I'm really keen to hear about your your faction scripted podcasting as well as your nonfiction podcast saying I am missing a lot see professional confessions and I %HESITATION there when he was Olivier I don't race some really really getting a lot of thoughts but first seat would you be happy to describe your style and give us an overview of he Damien Taylor is what you're all about aids and the kinds of things that you're working on sure it's funny so I'm probably the most bizarre creative you'll ever need to so I I started off doing medicine and science and for my career yeah and so coming into I've always played in both creative and very scientific spaces and most people don't do that and I I get bored if I don't have both of those elements going on in my life at some point and so I have always approach everything from this perspective when I worked for major studios and when I work at studios I'm usually the date a guy who's building the strategy for which films to redo what audiences we want to go to what channels you want to use but by that same token I was moonlighting as a photographer and editor of the magazine currently working in studios and so I've always played in both of those counts and I take it awhile but I've been able to bring both of those things to bear into my creativity now I I can use data to help inform my created and that's really it's not that I'm not paint by numbers sort of creativity I have an idea but I never really fully know if it's something that's interesting to anyone else or is it just something that I can see and so I usually use data and test it out and see does anybody else like this depending on the the response then I'll try your choice which projects they work on first and yeah so I have to say geek with a creative soul I love flat nerves are very very welcome on this that's a good place to be yeah because I think on your website is that you say scientific methods for content it's not the kind of thing %HESITATION gotten into yeah yeah that's definitely their probes I take for a lot of the creative is finding out why do people like it that's the thing that really makes me happy even in my career I've always always been around sort of taking things apart checking out what makes it work and so getting to the crux of what discipline enjoyed about this movie this TV show this short video this photography whatever it is and then deconstructing that sometimes taking out everything that's of course was just distilling it down to about one thing classrooms into making my life so much simpler because I realize that a lot of extra layers did you and it feels very bind up and technology as well and hi much of part of our lives signee technology is and I think we're talking very modern technology and computers to digital and extra absolutely definitely I mean it's when I think about what a lot of people have told me throughout my career especially other creative sense I always go to my god I don't like to use data battle his way my creativity and I actually disagree with that very strong because our god is data it's a small data sets in a combination of all of our experiences and the things that we've learned and it impacts or they have or haven't had and we take that I mean we formulate that ones in district work based on all those experiences and so what I like to do is take my seat well I have the small dataset which is my experience how universal is that experience or is there a bigger audience if I just look at it as a way of supplementing that instinct that we have which is in essence a collection of data points collected throughout life hi are you in what ways are you channeling that and then into your more creative like pets night because I'm probably thinking mostly your podcast tak which which is in its second season and I saw today that there is work under way on an animated pilot for the past two weeks very excited yeah I've never been in the role of animation I've always wanted to but now finally get your enemies this is super exciting tech which is probably the perfect example of this is unique process that I I I like to use for creativity yet it was an idea that I had so going back to my main you're done I love fantasy club started by and I wouldn't able I was also watching I don't remember as I was watching something it may have been a doctor who episode or something in my head wanted to figure out I wonder if there's a way to make something that's both sides by fantasy I would be the perfect series for me and just through that process in my head I came up with which is to control technology would be and thus the idea was born but I didn't know if I was the only person who bought %HESITATION it was you know something more universal so that when I actually remember I I talked to a couple for you're working on a production together and I dropped the idea just kind of casually Hey you know what I just think it would be kind of cool yeah vehicle one was over okay I'm gonna ask a couple more people and they they kind of said the same thing and I figured well I should probably do some more testing because this is also my circle of friends and we all seem to think so and so I actually did I went to our guide to Facebook pages and we have one that's all of our content I went to the digital compendium H. and I could have been added Jack I had some help design a poster for a whole lot line and everything in a campaign as it was coming out tomorrow coming soon check out tech which I see if you want to be interested and literally overnight our page went from nine hundred dollars to eleven thousand and what happened and the people I love this is would be great register something so we decided to check which and it was initially I wanted to do an animated from the start the brand of music label partner who was going to work with us and for me music is really really important through everything I mean it's it's a big part of my creative process even in doing photography I usually start with music and the sound can be removed and then how do I bring that to light is only so I could use a cable is a perfect partner for doing this and then call me laid off eighty percent of the team and had no more money in my business partner and I and the writing team we're just trying to figure out what what do you do if no one's paying for this podcast we don't need much money to do it we can reroute the scripts and so that's what we did it started building it out that way and then we realized it was a perfect way to hone the story and tested out and build an audience before we did anything animated anyway I'm not was so such a frequent process I think most radio so many shows that way sank off the US television shows they started off as a radio serials so yeah that really works I mean if it's not broke why fix it we could go exactly and it is very visual when you're listening to it I find I was listening to the some of this is this morning and I think between both the speech and music you're seeing a world your world is kind of coming to life in your minds you know so I think it is really a access you you're ready picturing the characters I think because sorry I forgot the name of your narrator he's he's reading the stories okay okay and then not set and she's great at performing their dialogue of the character she noticed you so you start to actually flashlight these different people here and having conversations and things you know so it does feel very good you know and the artwork for it is very sad that so you can start to imagine it maybe as an animation so that's ready to go it was amazing I remember we were looking for voice over talent and I was thinking of going after all these actors and we're gonna have to do this big production %HESITATION and writing partner trade well why don't we just have a narrator leader like an audio drama comes on board with that because for me it meant it was cheaper to make and so I was really excited and I started looking I couldn't find anyone J. that happen to be one of my grade school friends her husband's cousin and she's all over my my my husband's cousin is staying with us for a couple weeks and she does voice over do you want to talk to her in my head I was thinking chore okay your husband's cousin and I spoke to her and she said just send me the first two days of the script and I just read them into recording for you for free that we can get a sense for my boys Asian so I did it and she read it and she brought all the characters to life in the sounded like different people even though it was just her voice in that moment I said forget it I'm not talking to anyone else no more auditions you have it this is great she's been amazing she's been such an amazing part of it she remembered around the writing process just to how would we bring this to life what do you think about this she has such amazing insight and I really like that we can now collaborate as a team hold their purses for segmenting and passing things off %HESITATION that finds underfoot systems a great process I mean it's one of those things are sometimes nepotism con work which is really wrong %HESITATION no I somebody so good and she's a singer choose at some point I'd love to into this year is but she's just so professional in such a brought recommendations and tricks that I never even thought of to bring and %HESITATION and she even made suggestions and really early on she was so incredibly respectful she said well I know that these are your words and it's really important so I don't overstep my bounds if it's okay with you can I make a suggestion and she was very accurate said no it should be completely fine but I've course you would let me know how and she's been amazing just hoping to stay grounded and even rising to the challenge right through a couple extra characters I I think one time I did for like five characters in the same scene and she's all you for doing that to you but I really enjoyed it because now I have these characters and their goal is not different in this scene because I'm the only person hello this is that it be helpful then if we can't actually tell people what we're talking about we're talking about the story this is true so tech which is a story about two twins local emerging Matthew who discover that their families it's been thought that their family just doesn't help matters that are kind of magical and then they discovered that that's not actually the fulfillment of a prophecy it's unlocked and their twenty first birthday where they discover that they can control nature like other which is but they can also control manipulate technology and so it's interesting to see their journey going from accepting the fact that they were critical magical does J. accepting the fact that now that they are the super powerful which is that kind of outside everyone and how they deal with that struggle but it's also interesting that what we'll see later is and this is way later in the this year's that there's this interesting conversation of is technology so different from each artist major different from technology to Berkshire becomes something that's different select biotechnology for example it will start to look at that it just it really fun and I'm white and I suppose I need there's a little touch of family drama and they're lots of family drama brothers and sisters by being that he is just so I'll holdings today goes with a during life out and at the same time by the way you happen to have these new powers and get I suppose that mode of storytelling I mean you told us about the creative process and I was quite she acts by our circumstances and lately but also are there any other E. Ms waste that method of storytelling is there anything else you're trying to address through the tech quick stories yeah that's what I do this I'm trying to do this with all of the stories and series that we bring out is I really want to be able to highlight diverse voices but not in a way that so egregious and I think other even creates more division so often I think you'll like it what happens is you'll get something in it if the main character is black it's going to be named black something so you know I mean my opinion is we have our eyes we know that we don't need you to tell us right instead of focusing on the universal nature of our community the job that they're expressed an ad experiences are different but the underlying reactions and emotions are the things that we all share I think a lot of times it doesn't happen it's I wanted to make sure that I could do that my story so what you'll see is intact which you don't hear anything about their race specially the first season we didn't even put visuals relate to them on purpose so that people can imagine how they wanted them to be but we included total himself or realistic to life so you would know what this character is going through so if you were somebody who had a similar experience you would know that if you're someone who didn't you wouldn't be locked out you wouldn't feel it you couldn't understand what was happening I think a great example is low in the arcade he's playing there's two this won't give anything away for you wouldn't listen but there are two guys at his school who have been picking on him for ever and so they're they're just basically believing him and she has a big Afro and throwing things in it I can imagine who's ever had a big curly Afro knows about happens or someone tries to cut your hair right it's something that subliminal it's not saying Hey this kid but it's saying that this is something that happens in life but the thing that everyone can identify what is being picked up yeah and that's the universal experience and we can identify it doesn't matter what color you are what you look like everyone has had that experience at some point and so I want to be able to draw on those experiences that we can all relate to %HESITATION some more than others in the specifics of it but really it capitalize on what the emotion as I tried to use this data to draw that out yes Sir any nice example would you like to receive updates links and special offers straight to your inbox and visit audio visual cultures tower presto com to sign up to our mailing list he mentioned this while working on digital compendium and they say you have a magazine that's not right yeah yeah so that's that magazine is slowly becoming the ground for that the series that we have coming out so right now there's tech which and there are two more stories are going to be coming out next year under it one of them is called incubus curse it's about a guy who goes to college and he's kind of really smart run of the mill but very average and for the most part forgettable she's mistaken identity gets in Kirsten he's turned into an interest or not he has to deal with the sudden really strong urges that happened in college sort of heightened college sexuality exploration but then also the fact that now he's visible because of it this new change in his life he suddenly really busy how does he handle that scenario what is it due to his life around him in other words I'm really excited about it's called muses I've been really big into Greek mythology there's a podcast called let's talk about minutes baby it's amazing it's amazing I love live she's that she's a host and she talked about a lot of Greek mythology and which is also really fun to hear me criminology is really misogynistic regardless specially zoos are not good people but it's still really fun to listen to your %HESITATION but in that %HESITATION I was postulating around uses what if there is no one knows how many pieces are ready or sometimes you're thirty sometimes there's not this exact number and I took that to like its most extreme logical conclusion what if there was an incident number they were everywhere and what is their ability to inspire actually allowed them to control and manipulate your animals so there's a story about uses about a woman who's a reporter who is following a senator around and discovers senators actually using that most if not all people in power users and they were just leveraging that to control him out into her mission to sort of expose it and let the world know what's going on is that I think that is really fun because it's really grounded you don't have like these big super powers of people their influence is I can make you do what I want I speak into your I sing a song you feel inspired or created motions and you answer her question suppose it actually puts her at in peril and so she finds herself running for her life and hiding out at the risk of just trying to tell him and what's really going on but that would still but and still he is the creator of those send your writing is that right do you have other production roles with those so yes I am the creator of them I'm writing I have a writing partner who's writing tech which with me I haven't found a writing partner from users that I really would like to find one I've had people who speak in Celtic but I'm also I don't want to be that person who has the respect I can write from this woman's perspective I can do it anyone else can that's not my experience so I want to be able to let a real experience %HESITATION through somebody who can really speak to it because what I'd be looking at from the outside in I want someone who can actually convey the nuances I don't have access to so when I opened it to find one and then into this curse I'm writing as well I do the production of the podcast yeah I love finding new music that's my favorite okay so for me think tank has been attacked which it is it is very electronic you know that the music and the sign design and that's one of those where what a sign design what is music you know it kind they slipped over one another car that I find so what do you eat you know for the music while involvement he has for detecting for you know what's going on there for years so it's it's funny it's it's usually sometimes music has been chosen before any work has ever been written I think we spoke about this a little bit earlier how just hearing something and understanding that this will be a motion you create an image in your head and so %HESITATION usually they seem to check which for example that haven't happened yet with them their third season out and I could use it for them already just because I I know that emotion I can feel it I can see in my head I happen to have been listening to Spotify or something and that song happened to fit really well with that visual that I had in my head he told that story and so that's going to but I usually really try to on the the more guttural emotion the music first and so for something called tech which it seems weird if I went in with like all of actual music it felt like it needed to have something that was a little bit more chaotic can that fits today's world where there's something always vying for your attention which is why I will help you know sound and music and sound that's how I felt actually when I was listening to and I focus I think this is deliberate where I did it you know because I find myself listening to the music and happened to really concentrate to listen to the voice again you know it this it's going back and forth and I thought this is what our rights are like you know Instagram Twitter whatever you know she expected and you know do your actual job all right %HESITATION that sort of thing that's important for check with your specially there tiger I want the music so if you never hear what Caitlyn is staying the music is telling the same story so you are really missing anything and so I wanted to make sure I have there are a couple of times where I usually find music without lyrics there couple times right looks to be in on purpose because the lyrics tell the story as well so let me be really quiet in the background then it'll slowly builds overtake the voice but it's because now they're competing and the one thing that's interesting is working with music you can hear multiple things going on at the same time it was just a bunch of people speaking you didn't get it but if it's music it certainly makes sense you can comprehend all the lines are conversations that are going on so I do have a purpose to let the music tell the story in a way that I don't think that we can do in normal speech %HESITATION we can't be as dramatic or as a motive in normal speech as we can and use again so I I I do that on purpose in some people it's it's too much and it's overwhelming and I I realize that I think the visual series will make that easier for those people looking for the people who are interested and want to it I think it'll it's it's a fun challenge I think it be an interesting experiments teach us a lesson ten a completely desensitized environment you know in the dark eyes closed and just the next nine yes so that's a challenge anybody's last name go and try and be with tax question not why and I think I will try that because I did find myself struggling to concentrate when I was listening tests it's funny I do that that's actually after we get to the final okay I'll do that and I realized that if I don't have something else in front of me it's a lot easier for me to listen to it and there been times right before I go to bed or %HESITATION listen %HESITATION Justin see what if I were someone else listening to this and have nothing else around what we eat can I find a gift will be pulled into the story though even though I wrote it I know the story when I remove all the other distractions around me it it helps it's a little bit of an experiment but I'm enjoying it that's gates at skip practice to be self critical as well and to try and imagine yourself as the complete the claim that Snapchat as well that's brilliant yeah I was gonna ask you as well because your studio Prometheus digital studio is that right and the name send I decide that that makes sense now that you've set up a lady and Prometheus and so your company I mean if I understand correctly you're using that company to try it said read the address of water gaps in representation across the board and it's not just race and not just standard but things like testability and you know social class and and all sorts of things to talk hi do we work together to tackle these things across cultural production media production police are said sayings you're so busy you've got all these different things go at is that something you'd like to set up special interest as well maybe just the role of that company and your role in that company and the broader ians and high you're going to buy no so one of the answers all the state has to be these podcasts but you know are there other things as well yes %HESITATION previous is it's sort of the bread and butter that forms the podcast and we have some a lot of consulting clients work with advertisers cetera and a lot of the of the conversation that you there and a lot of artists that we have %HESITATION all turn it around integrity and I and I know that a lot of people have this thing and it makes a diverse city and everyone has their own interpretation of it was actually fun to talk to because what you'll find out and we've done this exercise some people mean gender some people meet race race and gender some people get everything and so there's a lot of misunderstanding around it because everyone is defined it differently but assumes that we ought to say and what we really want to do it for me kisses to help address that in a way that's authentic but not through the lens you are so under represented or you are you drew the short straw we wanted to really do you from the lands let's remind ourselves of our common humanity I think we've become so accustomed to data and stats and numbers even more than we think I mean my company by definition is a data company and my goal in that though is to bring humanity back into it because so often we hear people talking about fifty percent of people in there just a number or just that they don't understand that you have to get behind it and so the way that we interpret our data is we have that number what does that mean for actual people what are the people behind it feeling how are they interacting what does that mean for daily lives and that's really the the lens through which we like to look at everything we do so instead of coming in just give me the number that you know like thirty percent your audience is women at thirty percent of your audience is women who have this preference or live this lifestyle or facing this challenge or whatever it is so that we can start to understand that these are people are not just numbers part of the way that we do that in is even how we addressed the audience we started to move away from demographics being focal point because demographics is usually just a short cut to get to a behavior or preference or something that you want to understand what people say oh yeah we want to target man for this series of this blah blah blah what they really want is they want people who exhibit these behaviors are like these types of things %HESITATION who do you have this preference and so we really try to get people to focus on that because in doing bad what you see is you start to understand your audience your consumer as a person and not as a stain or objects that you can move around right and you start to see more respect towards the people that were speaking to and so I think that's always been a really big part of how I looked at data especially when it comes up audience and consumers and Hey being told that that's not right there's a short cut to it and so I started a company because I was tired of waiting for other people to do if I want to see change I'm actually part of the problem I don't actually make a concerted effort to be the chain seven asking for so that's how Prometheus was born we'd love to be part of the conversation with AP cultures called on Instagram Facebook and Twitter and we also have discord just coming up and when your plane to bite people having different definitions of what what do we mean by diversity and I think there's I think we're experiencing certainly in the U. K. we're experiencing quite a lot of push back on the idea of woke tests so you're promoting you know any kind of can we just have any other kind of human being day's best thing that's you know I mean I love white man they're great it's a lot of them are not full but sometimes it's just it's a bit boring obscene O. comunque maps just anybody else or changing this thing but then you can get told off for B. and J. woke up bite stuff and that's a bit of a problem and so it's there so many tensions are Rhines trying to say even the playing field for people but also trying not to alienate the people who feel like they're having something right away from them when I say if we even the playing field we all when we all do you better everybody gets left it up to you I think a lot of people don't realize you man suffer because as of yet Cherokee as well if we sort the beat Cherokee we sort everybody for example many other examples D. N. kind tear any challenges Anne Heche back any toppling dying you know what are your experiences and trying to take a major names I do and I I mean I think part of the reason you touched on it as well as that people feel threatened right right now everyone is making a white man that big bad that's not fair right it's not like you guys out to get your that's not the case and I think the other thing is so I'm part of this group called the multicultural insights collective and so we do research around how can you be more effective at diversity in the first project that we're doing right now is called words matter what is the language that we use that we can make sure that we're talking about in a way that's inclusive but also that resonates across the board right that everyone can get sick we can align with us is a lot of the focus that we talk about they'll take a word and it means one thing to someone else and it becomes pejorative to a different group and serves you immediately create tension what I've discovered throughout that is a lot of even the most vocal critics of wokeness or diversity really when you get down to support it but what they're not supporting it is a fact they've been demonized right and so there's a there's a defense mechanism that's activated at that point right and there's there's also a fear of what you're taking away from me %HESITATION versus the reality of what what do we all gain and we talk to my other podcast professional compassion which is totally not scripted and it's it's very serious but the goal it out when it was really we did that because I realized that a lot of the conversations we had were people misunderstanding each other we're talking past each other and then there's also the piece of people activating about things but nothing ever really happening and I didn't want people who had really genuine intentions were afraid because he didn't want to be labeled as well or did not make a mistake and there's a service chamber on not knowing or asking the question how wonderful is there a way that I can help mitigate that so we created a podcast where people could not in this week share their experiences so when they don't have to have the same ticket ask the question I can bring on an expert could arrive there's no way I could get expert in all of these things right but I had to bring on an expert who can speak to that give a solution for what's something that you can do to you don't have to wait for your government or your job or whatever sixty you can just do today to help increase diversity and not lose your shirt on it right and that I think is really bad and seems to be helpful in communicating the fact that becoming more diverse that diversity is not a zero sum game you give up something I get something which on both sides I think you'll find a lot of people into treating it that way that they want people talking about humanism or black lives matter I just want the right to be in a presser myself and I'm like that's not that's not diverse I just basically put it so when you talk through the podcast we've been able to speak to a specially that notion zero sum game it's hard to break that down and kind of include everyone and point out that we can't have true adversity to be honest and last white men are also part of that conversation when my gas which was really it I think probably one of my favorite but also one of my more difficult episodes we talked to about their own handwritten express I see him but he's he's a white guy who wrote a book called lightning go from fragile to agile and I didn't realize until we had that conversation how uncomfortable it was for me to talk about a white man right got something done before and I realized in order for us to have that conversation I had did you willing to be open and receptive and listen but I also had to be willing to be vulnerable in a sense to express areas where it would for me it's a challenge but I think in doing that and having that conversation I think that will be okay great what was that we actually have to be brave enough to just have a conversation to begin and give each other room to make mistakes so often I think the problem with this is that we don't give people room to make mistakes no one's going to be perfect going to make mistakes and %HESITATION I think that'll get pushed back at someone else like it he tried there's are damned if they do they're damned if they don't so why pardon and it feels that I've seen it mostly on Twitter for people's responses can be and century you know they're explosive amount doesn't help when somebody's genuinely go and %HESITATION I've just heard about this what's going on and they want to learn and I think people should be supported and learning a night completely understands people's frustration with well it's not my job to educate you he you know I'm exhausted as a woman I've done not hello and I think you know it I've had experiences that may be you know at least call can't say what a black person may have experienced space oppression in certain circumstances so it hasn't happened to me as a white person but it something similar happened to me as a woman for example your accent test them you know I'm a northern Irish person in England so I I get bother if I open my mice you know so it might be small but I understand some things and I think when you can appeal to someone's understanding is you're talking about aids but it's having the environment that's safe enough to do that and I think social media has not helped in a way and it had a cage help it has to call raising to help because it has the power to create a lot of the problems in the first and I think you know and heart X. lights how far we have actually come in we haven't come far enough of course but we have come quite far and you're seeing big cultural institutions began to acknowledge their colonial past sins just be blown to bits because at the time from Asian I suppose coming back circled say Dada you know which information these things happen you know and if we don't say yes these things happens because we're not gonna get anywhere for everybody just because Bob so sorry here some money to make up for what your ancestors suffers you know it's not really going to be helpful but if we go this happens I'm get educated and that's try to do better for Austin for future generation I mean that's kind of high I feel about it I don't know what you're feeling about it as yeah I I agree I mean he recently come to the conclusion that yes we want our governments are our institutions or companies to have a bigger role but until that happens it's really important for us to embrace what we can control you should influence and if I'm able to work with %HESITATION speech to or one person two people have at least done what's within my power to do I may not be a big network but the network that I do have I can make an impact on I think it's good started taking perspective more it would really be helpful in understanding it I go back to my mother my grandmother you know certainly now that I'm an adult so why is right my mom used to always say to my grandmother deal with people where they are not where you want them to be of that section and it's it's something that's really hard but it I find myself having to remind myself of that not everyone is where you think they should be or not everybody's had the experience or the information that you do so instead of trying to shun them for not being where you are I understand that we deal with them where they are if they don't know it's okay to say I'm not in a place where I can educate your top my top but I'll tell you how I learned about your culture and maybe you can do the same right and leave it at that it's a way to allow them to make a mistake if it allowed them to me to ask that question but it also doesn't penalize him for having to ask a question and trying to learn yeah that's an excellent point I think that's because not everybody has the privilege of education so they might have privileges and they'll resent those things being called privileges because they don't feel very privileged and so I just say you know you have to make them on on where they are at that moment you know what's going on in their life they don't have the vocabulary that some of the rest of this might have because we are actively can shaming knowledge on these things and trying to just reprogram the brand I'm not sort of thing because we all have our prejudices we all grow up by Sam and we all think of some other kind of person as the enemy and it's a long reconditioning and read learning things and I'm learning things say wise up from not go north and holy and have either just tryin I'm rosary life the same as we are so some ready wonderful quite fair and I think you know that's a really really important one is the scale just be kind to yourself and if you can just talk to one person and say them why did you why did you do that are you homophobic you know just kind it gently talk to somebody you care by I know we a year say F. R. sehr and just have a child to buy what was out on the bike why did you show I thought at that person %HESITATION you know going on there yeah and just hear the story and then realized that a lot of the time it's something going on within themselves so they're angry if I eat and not necessarily the stranger exists over there exactly and I think it's it's interesting because that's where I am well not recently but I just over my life I increasingly see the power of media and having that conversation as well because a lot of times you may not have exposure to set group right that you don't understand them so you don't have anyone to refer back to or even to talk to and I remember I I was living in but when I lived in Spain it happened a little bit when I was in South America that was particularly poignant where I have a friend and I were going to subway we were going to meet some friends of his and this gentleman sat across from us and he heard us speaking writing me never in Chile were all speaking Spanish our actions were in Chile and %HESITATION so my friends from Porto Rico and I'm from LA but both have very Caribbean accent so he stopped us and he asked where you guys from and it's over from support returning to Los Angeles there's no way you can get from a senseless are you from Brazil sounds yes or no you're not white so where are you from leaving where is your family from and I told my parents are also born in Los Angeles and right at least one of my grandparents was but they're all just from Los Angeles and she kept saying nope that can't be right and she stayed on the subway he passed to stop state on the subway really and then we got off the subway or walking across a bunch he followed us and asking no you can't I've never seen a black person from Los Angeles they're surfers and their yeah all of these things you're not a basketball player are you around for them no I'm not actually sure business school both of them no one I'm from Los Angeles thank you must be games I've seen Danish people on TV you were black so you must be a he just kept going to everywhere he seen black people can be from African Jamaican and no I'm not in all his references are from what he'd seen in media and I realize that several times I have that sort of experience for people equate to what they see on television or radio station on social media and they assume this must be the world and so I started doing some research on just media in general and from its inception radio TV and newspaper media industry has been very self aware of it influence you get half over diversity and how people perceive each other and very pointedly has chosen not to or do you do it in a way that's divisive but gets industry more modern their riveting studies from even just the thirties and the forties are around yeah and in doing that I realized that while a lot of people think it's just hard it's just you know entertainment but actually it does more than not because it does create a cultural and societal reference point for people yeah I think that's important and it allows us to have some of these conversations about actually having them sometimes not so interesting that's just reminded me that because that you know I grew up in at an incredibly white yes and it was during that conflict in Northern Ireland as well so there was very little migration actually coming in well any that there was and the ninety days Hong Kong was still still belongs to Britain says Hong Kong but other than that you didn't really see very often unless it was a soldier or something you didn't really see but he did sometimes but very very rarely %HESITATION so I was very naive and and I probably had a lot of those beliefs says similar to that man I don't think I'd have stocks somebody say makes yeah I just remember one of my favorite films when I was a teenager it was empire records and it saddens go and then I grew up on a read loads of stuff at night watches his things I read those are things that are set and some friends asco and it's clear capital there's loads of different kinds of communities they're slot since led the team depot there's loads of African Americans there and then you go back to the sound and you go where's all that gay and not to white people all white kids had %HESITATION normative quite rich my name gosh and this is the nineties you know this is a boss like you know the fifties or anything I mean their sons in the fifties and you've got more African American characters in yesterday and they kneel roles but they're they're me and it was quite a shock and also meant so much to me as a as a teenager and then learning a bite there ray ensure that was going on and and maybe psych class and allowing kids like me elsewhere in the world to grow up believing that San Francisco was just fell of white people that is a real problem and it has been quite a shock when you do you learn about those things and not everybody does learn those things I don't you know I did a film degree so you know I I started to learn about those things but most people here generally aren't going to be so not so interesting that example but that sounds actually quite scary and I think that's where the idea of you for me at least starting to realize that there are certain privileges that I have right it's heteronormative male going someplace with a friend some guy following us not not much of a threat there two of us and one of you and so physically we don't have that fear of him attacking right and if you did they're still two of us to just one okay so there's something different I mean it was night or another country and I doubt I did never crossed my mind right I just thought he was like a sliding and knowing and I did you go away we're gonna go visit some friends and even though the last episode of professional confession I spoke about that a little bit where I realized I had actually been sort of on the receiving end of discrimination and completely threw me for a loop because it came from a woman Jewish woman and it's not a place right specter just yet and it's not a wall that I realized I found myself in the thought is that you know well I am a black males of course that was going to be the area where I would get discrimination but using the mail is on the part of it with a discrimination complaint with the black and so this time it wasn't a black man is described it was not something that should interfere with it said we need to realize that I had to have some level of privilege because I've never had that experience I'm used to I can hear certain questions right I can do something and it's never been a I've never had anyone talk about how it worked these men are useless or like you can't really trust them so having that experience was really useful in making me even more empathetic but also realizing that I can't clean the victim there all the time right there even in being a black male I still have because I'm male their rooms in conversations that I've brought into that women don't get pulled into and so coming to that conclusion was actually it was kind of a challenge to be Frank I couldn't say that oh no no no no but I'm always with the idea of intersectional there are multiple societal factors at play really did stand out so I am not even creating tech which end users and a series of recruiting I want to make sure that not being so full of hubris and the notion I can tell every story and really allow someone else to tell their own story right because it my perspective on it is my perspective but it may not be accurate do more harm than good but I really value tie lessons about episodes of professional confessions and I really value G. being so open because I don't think that's an easy thing for a man to talk about actually because it's something I have encountered I am have a former life as an academic and thought kind of delaying is quite right and a lot of institutions the worst Belize I've had to have been women and that's the sort of people he not and I'm malicious way I don't think they even realize they're doing a lot of the time but the the latter up after them because I think well and I try to get this taken away from the night and I can't help anybody else up because then they'll be better to me and you know so it's IBM started again but I really value to talking about that because I witnessed it happening she male colleagues by the CM senior women colleagues who were J. E. repelling me the repelling man who were my peers as well I think unless we talk about these things and an open way on is difficult and it's difficult for some people they hear a smile next you know I find it really difficult because you know sacrificed feminism you're not supposed to be negative about women but actually there's a lot of women night they're here not feminists even if they think they are you know and your sexuality again the ex what flavor is your M. S. M. and unfortunately I mean I can't speak said the individual that you're talking about I don't know what their context as but I have been quite church women who think that the way to even things always is to J. St man today Walkman have historically been doing to women all this time and now some high balance it all right but it was like you mentioned earlier you just become a carbon copy of the oppressor you know each just may fade and spot Preston he's a processor and that's not helping anyone I really valued you going through your own story and being ready open it but I think that's ready for yes an important and hopefully will encourage other people to do the same thank you know that that means a lot because honestly I I spoke to your team and I was really nervous about releasing that episode it's a really personal experience first and I also didn't want to come across isn't he being negative toward women in two minutes okay that wasn't the intention it was really easy for me to highlight that it helped make me more empathetic and I realized that in that situation there are temporary privilege but I also realized that not everyone is immune from bias sees and prejudice that I really wanted to communicate that and hopes I was really glad to get a positive response from it because I was so nervous okay okay I'm going to publish but it turned out well so I'm not actually I figured it was something that could hopefully help someone else yeah I think so I definitely got a lot I'd it's listening takes I recognized so much of what you were talking about H. me whether they ever hear it or not but I know if individual man that I'm friends waste you would benefit from this things yet so I'm going to pass it on you know just in case yes at con even if it's just you're not alone man you know this is happening to other people yeah thank you that I I think it's it's important I mean so much of the work is sadly just starting the conversation brought to light now and no one knows and I think the one good thing that happened with the pandemic and Andy ups follow black lives matter which has been around for awhile or certainly the people felt empowered to verbalize to express things that have been sort of laid under the surface for so long and they felt that they were just needs to suffer in silence and deal with it because that's just the way of the world and then once people started expressing and sharing it realized that it wasn't just in the world there are other people sitting and suffer in silence as well with a slightly different circumstance they were also doing it so it brings it back to the highlighting the fact that there are differences yes what you need at the end of the day that the commonality of the human experience as we have in the outnumber those those differences that we've been focusing on yeah sure well demand I'm wary of keeping a much longer and %HESITATION you've been so wonderful can you point people towards where to find out more about you eight website socials that sort of thing yes definitely %HESITATION so you can go to Prometheus digital studio dot com and we have a drop down menu for contents you can hear both of our podcasts that are active right now digital compendium podcast that's our our brand but you'll see tech which and professional compassion those in that you are working on and it will be added to that where you can find us on Instagram and Facebook digital underscore compendium or Prometheus digital either one is great and feel free to reach out to this messages we reply love to have conversations with people I think it really helps keep us grounded and we don't get too full of ourselves and plus it's fun to learn from other people well I really hope we can keep in touch I just figured I fear any advance speaking CA and I really enjoyed your company I'd love to hear more about your life in Chile I'm a little bit faster generate love to go there some day research it was fun it was really really great we should definitely do something about that and I I was actually working in media there and I ended up somehow on a news talk shows when I was there we were we were touring and TV station and they ended up pulling my classmates on air and here is it was really funny but yeah there's definitely a lot of media interesting yes okay thanks so much demand aspen just sum up that pleasure thank you so much for everything you're doing thank you so much for having me Paul I really appreciate that this is a great conversation hopefully we can reach and we'll try to get in sooner I love that you're welcome back anytime and you get your other podcasts fired up let's have a big chunk is definitely definitely thank you so much
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hello you're very welcome to this episode of audio visual cultures the podcast explores different areas across the arts media and creative industries I'm Paul the bladder and state I am presenting C. I really energetic and insightful conversation with actor performer and podcaster Katie Chen knock S. I feel so privileged to talk to him later learned from her vast experience working in film and television and loads of other areas right there in LA and further afield like so many of S. hyphen watch and loads more television since he became more confined to your home the St RT twenty twenty and I from recognizing so many actors having recurring appearances sends remembering them some shows I lost in the nineteen nineties and two thousands Kitty has guest starred and hides supporting roles in a while surf productions the titles of which I'm sure you're going to be familiar with Katie talks candidly about her experiences and I learned so much from her up by a high you know works and I am so excited to be able to share that with you nine as ever huge hello and special sign keys here patrons over Petri on dot com forward slash AP cultures it's because if you see an all year right there listening that we keep going and keep getting fantastic ass I Katie to learn from the shoes really gaining traction more and more people like Katie are getting in touch it's not just me hustling for casts people getting you're getting in touch and they wanna share what they know was piles which really brilliant to be able to hop up top for for people and I'm really really receptive to hearing from our listeners about what kinds of things he wants he Europe bites and what kind of people you want to hear from I really welcome suggestions on our socials and tear email all of thought is going to be below in the show notes for more ways to support the show and so let us know what you saying cans to find all the important links you'll need to check a kiddies reckon so shows to check out the show notes and you get everything you need for night I'm gonna pass over it to my conversation with Katie I'm sure you look at low tied up at a certain age adds Katie channel yes I am so thrilled to welcome you to the audio visual cultures thank you for being my guests today hi are you dating thank you Paul I'm so grateful to be here I love the name of your podcast yes yes I'm doing great I am in Los Angeles I'm so happy to be here I feel so invigorated for when I first came to Hollywood at the end of two thousand one it's the same standard G. and the same excitement except now I have two decades of a body of work so I'm all about sowing seeds and %HESITATION it's really beautiful because I'm in the moment of now of enjoying reap what you sell and the fruits of my labor and still being very young in my career and successful in my career but seeing it in a whole new way which is really really exciting well that's great to hear that so positive because I'm really hoping that myself so many listeners can really learn from all of your experience that you just mentioned so if you're happy Kitty it's clear from your profile and everything you just said she record crossed a lot of different areas you're beside an LA mostly he's done loads of stuff you make a call passcode she's all over the place which really encapsulates everything that you do as well in television and film and lots of different areas would you be happy C. give us a bit of an overview in your words to fight the sort of work that you do need to different areas of work that you date just step gives a better picture and then we'll get into some finer details sure so couple things that you just said about adding value to you and your listeners and then my podcast so I wanted to start my podcast eight years ago I don't know how to get on the train tracks now we're going to be in season four and I can take my two decades of experience and really pay it forward so with ethics morals and values with arts and entertainment with spirituality because they all go hand in hand because we're human beings and to be a great actor you know we get to a great listener and be in tune with our emotional beings and are the language of our body the intelligence of our body and we do that through the soul is through the heart in through feelings and the mind is very important and it's analytical and it's a tool so it's not everything you know so through education and mental health and breaking down things that the whole world has opened up to now specially what we've all gone through collectively I think we can have more understanding more compassion that really everyone's going through something and we don't and we all went through some stuff together but that was always happening but I think it's just more apparent now so what do we do with all that right so we're aware of it but we can apply it to the campus we can apply it to our craft we can apply it to %HESITATION voiceovers video games commercials animation you apply all those emotions which is an energy the good the bad the ugly everything in between and you put it on to the character you put the work into the character into the intention of the character so when I was a kid I wanted some wisdom I wanted someone leading me along the way when I was twelve I wanted to know things I was a seeker I remember yearning for that desire that information to notify highway and I remembered I was going to be that for others I didn't know the word podcasting back then I didn't know any of those things but along my journey I found out about podcasting I wanted to get on the train tracks and so now I am and I can pay it forward with that two decades of experience not to say Hey I'm right %HESITATION I'm wrong I could say Hey this is my experience this is what I experienced and what Madonna did what Mariah Carey did what everyone did all of Meryl Streep Reese Witherspoon what they did in their careers is done and I can look at their anchors and I can look at their successes and some other failures because people are being more open to those things out and I couldn't have it as a road map to leave me with my target anchor where I want to go however with technology social media and the twenty first century business is different we've evolved as human beings I'm not doing what someone did in the eighties like up we're not doing what someone did in the sixties or the fifties what can I do in the twenty first century and does not have it as my baseline with authentic to me as a human first and then as an artist and then you know go into the twenty first century and being able to hit it shift in scale pivot shift in scale so when I came here in two thousand one with my little girl dreams in my blueprint like I had my base of what I stood for what I wanted what I wanted to be a part of and then boom I worked with deniro Pacino Nicolas Cage the top thirty five filmmaker in the world Werner Herzog I was on minecraft story mode like Nancy Drew books they put him into you know a video game app and I ended up being Nancy drew's best friend in playing for other characters you know with these power house boss ladies out of Seattle who have her interactive and they have a bunch of other %HESITATION projects that they're involved in they brought Nancy drew back as tech later it was cool for female identifying humans to be involved in tact it wasn't just a male dominated gender thing so we're demystifying gender is right and what roles people's play I am really like grasping our head around and having a full understanding of what this means and I'm on the forefront of it all and I always have been on the pulse I've always been a seeker I've always been a person with that huge big white canvas and knowing the mark of it all the good bad the ugly but being able to jump out of the campus and look at it and let it cleanse itself as life dies and then be able to start a new and fresh right from an analytical perspective not emotional non attachment so I can serve my best self and the higher self for why I'm here for all of humanity so let's just start there it's got a lot to start with where do you get your energy from this amazing lives it's god's grace we all have it is is if we choose to be tapped into it or not and I'm definitely captain in a way from a very young age when I was twelve and wanting to be that seeker and knowing my purpose and I feel lake along the journey I got in stock in a lot of other people probably can identify my purpose with a purpose of Austin %HESITATION my purpose that up I think we're here we have also meant multiple purposes I don't think there's just one purpose there is great man that I saw along the way his name's not coming to me but he was like in his eighties or nineties and he was like so many people are so the user so in a rush to find their purpose but it's a discovery in its an unfolding on the journey to acknowledging to appreciate the purpose is that you may have so you may have been a two decade of innate desire to join your curiosity of what you want to do right I like to utilize my voice I like to show up here even if it's just you and me are if it's fifty million people and to be a positive inspirational and make an impact one person at a time and I'm a mac or a person some like Britney spears Taylor swift all over the place but how is that really going to happen on a micro level between you and I apologize and I'm gonna go leave my life and it's a transfer of energy and you're gonna go lead your life and I hope we had some kind of exchange in this lifetime where we made an impact and so for the person to ning and I hope that same thing for you as well that's why we watch movies that's why the video games we played whether we're conscious of it or not it feels good it's a feel good because it's a positive conscious thing and it's something I'm gonna teach my children one day or share with my family or my partner or is it it is a a pleasure words an addiction that's actually making me suffer more and it's actually feeding the beast within me that's not going to have me involved so we get to be mindful and track what's running our systems their systems and patterns running and what's beats are you feeding right so I always have the Hackett HJC K. hacked and be mindful like am I going to direct you where this is going to sell me or is this actually not the filming so that takes me to the projects I take on like my voice over agency crime telegram I just went out for this campaign like I go out for all these the biggest thing you can think of like top tier that's who I'm applying to because that's the ethics my morals and my values and that's what I strive and work towards and that's the bar that I set for myself and so we had to check in with the bars we set for ourselves and raise those bars and even raise it a little higher to go out of our stretch or look in and say Hey this bar is way too high I can't even obtain this goal which is a detriment and I went through how could I give people in the industry a chance or other people chance but I wasn't even giving myself a chance it was pretty difficult and that was something I got to learn and grow through and then you know you feel the guilt you feel the emotions you feel all those things but then what I do with those instead of just letting them sit there attached and not healing that I hold my own hand I say it's okay little K. I take all those emotions that was nasty from a family member are nasty from a relationship or nasty from whatever happened in the personal and I take all that and I'm like bro and I'm going to take it and I put it into the craft of acting so that's how it never goes wasted nothing is ever wasted anything anything that happens even on like the the the worst thing anything that happens it's never wasted it was supposed to be and it doesn't have to be right away there's some big trauma things that happen and sometimes someone will never be the voice and they can never see themselves being the voice of that which is okay and you don't have to be but you hold the space of knowing and we all go through different journeys but what do we do with that is that our choice is because it's our lives and works here and it's a gift that we're here some partially positive words there can't eat I mean as you mentioned you shared scenes with so many well known names and Hollywood's actors on direct shares you Farkas Werner Herzog which is incredible it's really exciting and I'd love to hear a bit more about your experience of being a supporting cast member and finding a character you know you've worked in quite a lot of TV shows as well so sings a cold case and CSI you know where you're you're maybe and for an episode and that's S. N. you know I'd love to hear the experience of the chopping actor tango sings Heidi pack up a character how do you make a character convincing IT work across these movies and then these drama series but then go into something like it's always sunny in Philadelphia you know how what's that like for you yeah I think he'll be here for on well said so all of it is being an open vessels so to be comedy to be drama and just really being open and so when you're open and you know your team is setting you up for these projects and you're going out for these projects and you're up and you're down and you're crying you're vulnerable you're happy in your court you're sad the most important thing is just to be true to your authentic self you have your bass line and then you have people you study with Susan Batson B. A. T. S. O. and has an amazing book called truth she's doing virtual people can you drop ins for twenty dollars a day Monday through Friday she has a lot of international people who study with her she's Nicole Kidman's acting coach for over twenty years you'll have been noticed I sure Madonna %HESITATION brushy coach is all these people for their films so being trained by the crown telegram right so you can be trained at what level and and it's like the best investment you're gonna make is in yourself with your time to follow the the food you eat the coaches you study with the podcast you listen to the people we associate with so all of that goes hand in hand with the characters I choose because based on life it's not just linear and I could tap into different experiences that I personally experience or that I've observed to being a great observer I love observing and so something directly hasn't happened to me I can with Google you can research it you can watch some like minded movies you can check out the director projects that they've been apart for T. that's for films or TV shows you know the tone of the show grey's anatomy it's always sunny cold case you know the tone of the show you know the casting director like no other body work %HESITATION in there do great work you have to build a relationship with the casting director they keep bringing when they like your work so if they want you on the show it's just a matter of time before it happens you just have to keep up and just show up and do great work and then make sure you're taking care of your body mind and spirit because they like I said they're very hand in hand with one another you know doing different characters is like it's always sunny it's like corky it's fine and and they're like oh they like that then you can that's permission to play to take that a step further and discover where you can go when you get on set you've already done the preparation so everything I'm telling you studying coaching researching that's the tone of the show that's the preparation of the character before you show up when you get to set you already know your lines you already know your character and it's an opportunity to get out of your head and get more into your got into the intelligence of your body and to play and be professional because there's the takes a village and there's hundreds of people on set and especially now we want to be very mindful of staying within the parameters of everyone doing their job to make a party is you know the hair stylist like if they ask you your opinion cool but they're already communicating with directors and assistants and people and everyone has the domino effect of how they're showing up in everyone's doing their best so you know when you have the character you that's your ultimate time where you get to play and have a lot of fun guest star roles are amazing because it's like I said it's a domino effect once you book one it's like oh she's on set in New Mexico now she's on site here okay we want to work on this %HESITATION she's working on this Sharon stone fifty seven Werner Herzog like the producer calls once a personally invite you to be a part of the valley tenant port of call New Orleans with Nicolas Cage and like I I'm like Joan Crawford in my hotel room like waiting for his call any calls and I'm just like jaw dropping these inviting and everything and from that moment of yes that was my moment of fantasy in play and I was just thinking about Nicholas cage and then I knew are seen together you know because like I I did the audition I met burner then I had and I had like a month to prepare so I was able to like really fantasize in play and and do those things leading up manifesting to the moment of meeting him and when I met him he was just like whoa like he was so taken aback because I was so prepared he is Nicholas cage so he serves people and I'm who I am so I showed up and I know who he is so I showed up and he was like whoa and I served him and like it was that transfer of energy like I needed an impact and I wanted him to always remember me and asked to have that and to this day people email me message me on social media talk to me like that movie was epic oh my god you with Nicolas Cage like people are just like going off like you stole that movie blah blah blah like it I remember on sat my friend Sam Pressman his %HESITATION family I met him on the set his family were the producers Pressman films they do a bunch of great films he told me you know %HESITATION Nicholas cage he he wanted the whole entire movie to shoot the gun to shoot the gun and the scene we did although it's in the beginning of the movie it's we shot it at the end of you know the twenty three shooting days however many shooting days it was and he was able Werner let him shoot the guns upper hand shooting that god was amazing and for me working with Nicholas cage was amazing so we both had something that we both collectively wanted for our characters which made it so impactful which is why so many people come to me all the time about that movie and they're just like it's just legendary you know but not only about that said in that movie all the preparation a manifestation of knowing who I am discovering who I am knowing how I start raise in a bar for myself higher than I can even reach because I wanted something bigger than I ever knew like we need to do that not dream big with had in our clouds but raise the bar and show up and get to work and work doesn't always have to be tough and hard and Yang Yang Yang do do do work human beings they can come through god's grace of yen and being gentle and being more relaxed than I am right now I'm a bit hyped up but they can be the opposite and I I definitely learned that the hard way most people do things not all say most people but they're just hustling %HESITATION they're dot dot dot dot so it's like you have your list of what you need to do do it but we can handle it with grace we can show up to a new place in a new way gentler with one another right with the male and female you know all genders yeah but lastly I want to say about what you just asked is %HESITATION it's really exciting bopping from one show to another but then it's like a lot of up and a lot of down which is very difficult and especially when you're auditioning a lot so now where I am in my career I wanted and I wanted it before but it didn't happen and what I want now again and I'm going until it happens is to be a household name so I want to be a household name so I'm not bopping around it yeah I can do different shows but instead of like getting up getting down getting up getting down and on to the next and you know getting the great paycheck I want to have a consistent show consistent money get loyal consistent fans buy a home on the beach have a family how the sustainable life have a beautiful career have a stable family because it can be a lot up and down and it's cool when you're kidding you're fifteen or twenty but now I'm at this stage in my life where it's like you know the up and downs it can be a motion only detrimental it can be so hard I I I can just start crying because I'm such an open vessel we are doing it on your own and you're doing it by yourself when you feel like you're all alone you know because it's your journey and no no one has same like journey stability is so important so it's important to have the emotional stability of our friendships and our partners even if they don't understand is that they hold space and they don't drag you down or have you explain yourself and then suck from your life force energy that it's exciting because it takes so much because you're not getting paid hourly to do this you know I mean it's a career it's a marathon at I. raditi empathize with stop precarity all that kind of life and %HESITATION I think that send a lot of industries but you know you hear a lot of factors like yourself saying that kind of thing you high top fade is you not knowing from one week or months the next if you're gonna have to work and I really do a selfie there %HESITATION I said styles in my life where I had thought as well %HESITATION and it's really really tough eve eve side a lot as well about you know how you're able to keep going and so you can keep your own well being your mental health and and everything and Jack and I mean it seems that certainly from nesting here podcast it seems like you've got an amazing team arranging as well so if you're doing on your own but it sounds like you've got incredible network of friends and I was wondering if he had thought to sell on the importance of Saudi birds of support networks and collaboration and those sorts of things you're right you're totally right exactly I have %HESITATION music partner Nikki Scorpio %HESITATION you know we started the sophisticated cycles it streaming everywhere we have a YouTube channel we met in twenty twelve so while he's been loyal to the bone and he's a very rare rare rare individual %HESITATION that I met Ali Sondra levy my producing partner on a trip in Nicaragua when I was with my sister and and twenty fourteen and %HESITATION by god's grace I said yes and I showed up and we may be became friends and we've been producing content for the last five years together as a collective with Nikki Scorpio so energetically that's there and I can call her and have a divine feminine female that I can call and ask questions to where before I would be more isolated to myself feeling like I'm doing it all alone but now I have the courage is Hey %HESITATION instead of just doing what I would normally Katie would do in the past before I had someone like Ali Sandra I'll call up and say Hey so it is really an Instagram is that this %HESITATION Hey this business person said this to me and then she has a different background and I admire and respect %HESITATION she's like oh that's nothing %HESITATION just block that person %HESITATION just give them option a B. or C. %HESITATION just tell him you're not interested if it's not gonna be desert you know this is your you know bass raider this is your you know these are your parameters and I'm like oh because she's just so like a sort of in that way and so she teaches me so I put around myself around people who I admire respect the choices they make the consistency of the quality things of their doing I would see a team of eighteen people my voice over team I'm with all the voices vox creme dela creme top five voice over agency in the world I have the acting agency in LA I've been acting agency in Atlanta I'm acting agency in New Mexico I have a management team in LA New Mexico during the pandemic I got a new management team then there in LA New Mexico during the pandemic I got a new onscreen union acting agency in New Mexico because Netflix did a deal there for ten years there's a lot of things being shot New Mexico so I amber and I'm represented in New York so I'm represented in all major markets everything self tape and self recording with the voice oversee can be anywhere in the sound quality pre studio you can be anywhere and record and just send in the auditions and they use source connect to book you so I have a team who sends me up for projects I just have to make sure I'm taking care of my personal health my instrument which is my voice because I'm a recall and every day recording artist podcasting voice overs music poetry so I need to make sure I'm taking care of my health because I have a team of eighteen people who call me and put me up for projects and you have twenty four hour notice sometimes you have twelve hour notice with voiceover sometimes you have in a rush an hour notice %HESITATION three hour notice and it's a turnaround so I need to be doing what I need to be doing to take care of myself so I can be prepared to show up because there are so many other people who will just show up in Philly and and take the spot you know any means %HESITATION we really need to take care of our body mind health and nurture our relationships some of the people but on my podcast she's all over the place I met Joey from the blind boys of Alabama is the president of the blind boys and they started you know late their gospel and they were holding their legendary they won so many Grammys and they've been in so many movies and they're amazing and you know he's been my friend since two thousand and four you know a lot when I met him at the Grammys and had I nurture these relationships I don't call people just when I want something when I'm thinking about them like Hey I was thinking about you how are you like it's a transfer of energy it's like a garden and you plant seeds you plant seeds and then every three months I take a break and I just rake away the duds and then I sell more seats and I look at the beautiful ones that are budding and I dated date weekly I check in and I need a water those I. water those and they grow and grow and they've been growing like I said in the beginning of the the show is you know you reap what you sow so I've been selling seeds since day one but since for my work environment for the workplace I've been sowing seeds when I came to Hollywood before I came to Hollywood in Michigan but you know the Hollywood lifestyle and work place was at the end of two thousand and one I started selling seats our network meet people go to IMDb everyone gave you business cards back then they don't now everything's digital which is cool but save the environment right one paper at a time but I would go home with a stack of from an event of fifty business cards and I would just go to IMDb I movie database and I would just type in the person and you could see okay they've done nothing died thrown away thrown away thrown away thrown away because they're lying to you they're saying %HESITATION I produces I direct this but they're just wanting to sleep with you pray and you take advantage of you she does that out those people then you look at the other people at all they're doing this movie they're doing this movie but they're like movies with like porn stars are there movies like scenes here movies so it's like that's not what I want for my I self that's how you know that I self and check in with the quality of the bar that you set for yourself of who you want to work with so I throw those away I want to be a part of those projects and then it's like oh okay this one George Clooney movie okay I'll keep this producer card I want to nurse that relationship it's not manipulative it's a smart business move because I see this vision for myself and I know my talent I can be an added value to your project let's create together so that's how we come to the mat each and every time how can I serve on minister by showing up and being the best me when I got when we first got on here you said oh my god look at all the energy I can offer that people want to be around that magnetic joyful energy because it's the infinite source however when you have it you just need to know how to channel it because it can be a lot for some people it can be too much and that's okay too well we're not made for everyone we're made to be us and we can align with who were gonna line with and we can't people please you can only truly be ourselves and people are like oh that's not for me great I'm glad it's not for you you can get out of the way to leave space on the white canvas for more people like you who want to show up and dance with me because I wanted to dance and I want to be in I mean that's what I want to do on a smile and be enjoyed dance so we need to show up how we show up and not feel guilty about that be happy about how we show up and just keep discovering we're going to keep showing up in new ways were so young we'd love to be part of the conversation with AP cultures called on Instagram Facebook and Twitter and we also have discord you've mentioned there and there is a lot going on over in the states at the moment waste crazy workers and maybe send television trying to really fight for their rights as labour's as a work force you know certainly as that as a cast member I'm sure you face your own challenges and just protecting your rights and just keeping well %HESITATION all if he you know and I I just wondered if you had any observations on that or just in hi y'all look after each other yeah I can yeah one thousand percent I remember my first commercial that I ever did in California's like two thousand and three or something I did a commercial call for Marshalls and I was I was I was like a daughter what are my dear friends Carlos Arguello he's a cinematographer and he was a cinematographer on that commercial and he's gone on to be he was like the cinematographer for pretty little liars for like so many years at Warner brothers it's a pretty little liars without it was Ashley Benson the four girls I think it's called pretty little liars that show %HESITATION I'm marathon it but these incidents are from that night and he's great he's been a great friend and he's a crew member I'm friends with a lot of crew because I produce I direct %HESITATION I shoot myself I'm into tack I'm into the the cameras like month which line is is that a lot of people use already it's from Germany like you know the crew so import into filling the basic needs of a crew and through the union I've employed a lot of people to you know do the full production of my projects but being a professional sense at Warner brothers and paramount and being on other people projects like huge huge budget projects and small budget projects I'll always remember call us Aguayo because when we were done we were wrapped I went around to all the crewmembers and thank them and say thing and I said thank you good job thank you and I went around and he tells me to this day he health and that's why he became my friend he said he tells people if you went around and he's like no actor does that you went around and you think all the crew members and you are wrapped and it's like for me to acknowledge that when I was young but I was doing it from my joy I was just excited to be on set working and seeing everyone doing smart hardworking everyone making the marks and doing their jobs it takes a lot so I think to acknowledge one another and for me is really important and I see a lot of actors I worked with Danny Pino and you know a lot of people there like really cool with the krill and they talk to one incident level and they have that bond in the kinship same thing with hair and make up you know like hair make up or like the actors like go to thank you they're like their best friend they know more about them than like maybe some of their friends actually you know all these people become our friends but it's really important to acknowledge and have that say great experience with one another and for me as an actor sometimes I'm just observing the crew and I'll hear crew talking I feel comfortable talking to front of me like my friend not not an easy he's a cinematographer he he just a machine gun Kelly's new song Megan fox is the leader of it he has work is just brilliant but it's so cold so beyond commercial censored like different sets of people the grip the lighting the crew people they're like yeah yeah the job tomorrow so it does not available Hey you got a guy that yeah I got a guy here outside use number that up and so did the crew really stays together like when the deep he shows up he brings his crew and and they go to job to job like a family with one another they really had each other's backs and them if someone's not available the help of filling or something and they trust they have that kinship and they trust one another and it's very deep rooted so all levels of entertainment and people who show up on to the set I have a job to do and there's this fine line of respect in this trust that's quietly created with who you are discovering who you are knowing who you are so you can be that value for someone else so %HESITATION great great topic that you brought up thank you thank you to Katie you've been so generous with your time and your energy engine and you've been so informative and ma'am I really appreciate it the story Hey let you go because I know you have other engagements need to count on that do you have upcoming projects or things that are going to be alright when the steps is going to be alright that you would like to see just point artists nurse awards yes and where we can find you and socials and website and all those sorts of details yes definitely out should not cause dot com my website definitely check out she's all over the place podcast by can you hear this %HESITATION season four will be up and running and so I check out you know all the seasons of she's all over the place podcast as a %HESITATION musician as a producer director on screen actor voice over talent I created a project called %HESITATION Dreamland eleven eleven so it's going to be streaming everywhere and it's dubs that music so I don't know if you're into electronic music but it's not set in for the tracks I'm doing spoken word poetry and I'm talking about divine femininity and how the divine femininity is not only for females but it's for all genders into claim and reclaim our powers and I'm doing that through my voice and then you know putting it on my social media %HESITATION a lot of directors producers and people entertainment they follow me so then they can see me on screen and then call my agency to book me on a film and hear my voice and then called my agency to book me on a voiceover so it's the way in the twenty first century to get out there and pave the way to create something and push short bits of things on social media so people can see your talent your work %HESITATION otherwise you know it's not show closet it's you know show business and we need to show these people and you know Sarah Jane Sherman she's at a great casting director in group huge in animation Sarah Jane Sherman I she wrote on her Twitter like couple weeks ago she's like if someone isn't you know giving you the opportunities carve your own name make your own lane and that's what I've been doing since day one of my career and it's more you know apparently never heard that it's what we need to do we get ninety percent of the booking the agents get ten percent what we need to do more work and just can expect our agents to do the work you know our job our job is to get the job they give us the meetings we need to prepare and do things to be able to get the jobs but yeah I'm on all social media you know Katie Chagas in August you can buy it from my website jobs dot com but I love tick tock Instagram Twitter all of them linkedin that's amazing candidate I can't thank you enough for this just upset whirlwinds of a conversation it's been really great fun I've learned those to me and a really short period of time %HESITATION I'm grateful raging I struggle all my gosh thank you my pleasure and I do coaching one on one so if anyone wants to do private coaching I've industry coaching they can reach me from my website to %HESITATION but there's great information on the podcast as well it really means a lot Paul and that makes me really satisfied and happy to know that we made an impact in added value %HESITATION that's great thank you candy %HESITATION and olive said letting somebody in the show notes wherever anybody says things so there's no excuse to go and check it out thanks so much Carrie thank you Paula I