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hello and welcome to our first recording of 2021 in this edition of audio-visual cultures i am really happy to finally touch on architecture and urban planning with my very special guest today mustafa sharif he is an urban planner based in stockholm and the creator of the urbanistica podcast so very warm welcome mustafa how are you doing today thank you thank you so much paula i’m really good i’m really happy and excited to talk to you i’m fine how are you doing i’m well thanks creaking into the new year thank you so much for reaching out to do this this has been a void in audiovisual cultures so far this area but it is an area i am really interested in i think partly because i’m from belfast i’m from a city that has been rebuilding since a conflict so from that perspective it’s something i’m very interested in talking about so we’re going to mainly talk about your podcast urbanistica which gets into urban planning and all sorts of wonderful things but before we talk about that would you just tell us a little bit about yourself your background and some of your own work yes sure and again i wanted to say thank you so much for having me in the great show so yes let’s start with me mustafa sharif so i am an urban planner but if we go back so i was born in iraq baghdad in 1993 and then we were there with my family and as you know like we have so many conflicts in in that country many wars and so on so we were actually moving from one city to another city within the country after that things getting more how do you say dangerous so my dad decided to say okay it’s enough with moving like from city so we need to really settle down and then he decided to move to sweden and it was for 10 years ago and with the family moved to sweden to the south of sweden in a city called helsinbori very beautiful cute city waterfront with i think 100 000 people not so big so we started a new life basically here in sweden and i am always interested in people and i think it’s because when i was child i had a car accident and after the car accident so i i got a kind of phobia from the city and i didn’t want to go out and didn’t want to meet people i was like super scared of this so like my life was almost about being home playing playstation and so on you know video games but like when we started to move from one city to another city i started to build a new relationship with the city with people so this is like growing up with me and when we moved to sweden so i learned the language and i decided okay where to do my bachelor and as you know we have this great architect zaha hadid it’s one of like the legions and architecture and she’s also from iraq and i’d be like okay i’m i’m good in drawing i like now i have a good relationship with the city so how about doing something related to architecture so i started the bachelor it’s about civil engineering and architecture and to be honest i didn’t like it so much and i didn’t find my passion there for me still i i needed to go one scale bigger to look at the city which i love or passionate about so then i study a master in in kth the royal institute of technology in stockholm from day one it was about urban planning and design from day one i just fall in love with with the program and i’d be like okay this is what i want so i study and then i want to study in milan as well architecture and urban planning i came back here to stockholm and got a job and what i work with now i work as an urban planner with focus on social sustainability and people which means that instead of just us urban planners and architects planning the future cities now we have people with us to tell us how we can do it so this is basically like a short or maybe short story of memes read that’s brilliant mustafa yeah there’s so much from that life experience that makes a lot more sense neither um because i’ve been listening to your really excellent podcast and you have such wonderful guests and hopefully we’ll tease a lot of that out as we talk if you’d be happy to would you describe the urbanistic podcast for us a bit and what you do with it yeah sure when i started to work i noticed that when i was a student i had a lot of time to explore like the projects the books the publications but when i started to work like in my career i noticed that the time is limited and it’s it’s a kind of another word every single minute counts and so on and it’s less inspiration i get from how i was before so i decided to change this and i was thinking like what is valuable now or what the issue is about the time we don’t like really put time in order to explore what’s going on around us so what could be else better than podcast when it comes to time and multi-tasking so i started to i thought that podcast is good idea and it is a good idea so i started the podcast and urbanistic podcast it’s a podcast not only for the experts when it comes to urban planning it’s open platform to also the users the people from the city that not our urban planners architects or traffic planners basically the people that use our product like the cities and the aim of the podcast is that to inspire us as urban planners architects about how can we design a really liveable city so i host experts and also people that not really working with urban planning it could be kids parents young girls anybody in the city so this is the aim of urbanistica it’s a really interesting title i think and i was wondering is there anything linguistic that’s significant with it why urbanistica what does that mean to you well the name when i wanted to decide the name for the podcast uh there are like urban stories urban narrative something like with urban then i’d be like i want something like really special and so people start to wonder what is it what is this word means when i was studying in milano urban planning the program name calls like urbanistic and architectura which means like urban planning and i i’m really in love with this world and it sounds really beautiful like a name of a person and the same time it says what i want like it’s urban planning and that’s like my passion then when i was like registering my podcast i wrote like urban please please i was hoping that nobody taking is this name and it was like a how to say available and be like yes so now it’s urbanistic and it means urban planning i really like the way you frame it as storytelling because it’s the stories of lived environments and it’s the stories of the people who are designing these lived environments as well and you refer to your guests as storytellers and they’re telling their story in this episode again is that led by an interest from you in taking that angle because in a way it makes it more human because that’s how we communicate we’ve always communicated by telling stories and you know even telling our histories as stories and so on and so forth and framing the future what will be the story of this city and that sort of thing so is that very much coming from your angle of interest yeah yeah actually it is because when i was young and now maybe i’m too old but anyway so i i’m listening to ted talk on youtube i was very inspired by them and what makes it ted talks special is the way they tell the story it’s not like a lecture in university or a tv program that’s why it’s so special and i was like okay but how about mixing this kind of stories in podcasting and urban planning and also like after work i do i’m part of tedx stockholm team and what we do is like i do content researching i also like co-coaching people how they talk and giving feedback about their speech i was trying to combine that not makes a boring lecture and not like so stand-up comedy or something you know i want something like as how i would love to listen to we all know that why we like tv shows and series it’s just storytelling like it’s art and culture it’s about storytelling so i wanted to do the podcast something like this like this format it’s not gonna be like a feeling in that you’re in a police station like a question and answer you know like okay what’s your name what do you do what’s your project because there are many podcasts like this and when you hear when you listen to them you feel sometimes bad for the guest you’ll be like um but give them some time to breathe you know to express themselves or something like this so i decided and i tried my best to that leave the platform open to the guest because it’s not like mustafa sheriff podcast it’s urbanistica and the idea of urbanistic is that people are the storytellers because i’m listening to them and learning i can start my own show and talk but the aim of urbanistica is listening and learning because this is the goal every guest is the storyteller i just leave them to talk just like how you do now like just you know leave the flow and it’s always a good flow and you give people the freedom to express themselves and always i don’t like control so much with the questions just like main questions and then see what happened because in the end what comes from heart goes to other people’s hearts so so there is like an aim why i say a guest is a storyteller because the format of the podcast is a kind of story to inspire us because the aim in the end it’s about us getting inspired by people and hopefully we transform this inspiration to actual action in our offices when we really work with the projects oh that’s excellent i was thinking as well that the likes of architecture and urban planning they’re not necessarily what might immediately come to mind for a lot of people when we say arts and culture but really they’re very integral because so much of culture is going to be literally shaped by the lived environment and the spaces that culture happens in or emerges from and i was wondering if you maybe had some examples from the podcast about you know where guests might have gone into those areas whether directly or indirectly has that sort of issue ever been touched upon you know what our space is actually used for and how do the public get to use spaces how does culture happen in space is space shaped around facilitating culture happening and those sorts of areas yeah yeah of course you’re highlighting a very very important point and if i take some minutes to explain like why we are ending up talking about this because the past 50 years many of the cities we we did a lot of mistakes where we planned cities before we were focusing like on a and b we didn’t pay attention so much to the journey in between because like we based our planning not on people but on cars so like who cares about the journey you will take your car you’re happy just drive and that’s it that’s why we created so many areas segregated we didn’t really link them together because we thought we always thought that okay a to b skip the journey like don’t pay attention about the details so and it’s caused us so much like if we talk from the sustainable point of view socially you see segregated area not really well connected people less interacting with each other and you can see also in between buildings as well like it’s a bit sad and dead because the material the walls we made and so on if we talk about environmental point of view the co2 is it’s like a huge topic there are many experts talking about it like because of how we plan cities and also the economical point of view like imagine like these five if you say parking lots for cars it’s like a land use and instead of this you can maybe have a playground or maybe a cafe or like to put some chairs to people to enjoy so it’s affecting us so much and now after many years we’ll be like oh why people reacting like this in the city why our cities some part of city or really dead why it’s unsafe it’s because of the way we did before and the way we did before is not pay attention to what people really want and what is a livable city we just based on cars so now after mistakes we realized okay how do we bring back the life to the city and as you know many people know it’s about us people it’s about our how to say about magic which is creativity art and culture so now the tool to bring back the life to the city is about putting art and culture to activate the spaces so for instance in episode 119 there’s a graffiti artist in the south of sweden in a city it’s it’s you know it’s like in many cities graffiti is illegal you can you cannot do anything so he was painting something very beautiful and the municipality didn’t like that but suddenly they they noticed that ah but wait a minute people actually pass through this way looking at the painting i call it the painting or artwork because it’s very beautiful and people actually like to be there they walk there sometimes they gather there as well like as a meeting point it says something and then it’s slowly transformed from like illegal until now like it’s a graffiti festival in the city which every year they check which areas are like kind of unsafe or kind of dead and then they give the walls because you know like before we when we design buildings we pay attention just the form how the building looks like and oh that’s so beautiful but we didn’t really thought so much about what is the life that this building going to generate so now we are how to say trying to put makeup on our cities our dead city like okay do some beautiful painting some light installation just to bring back the life and in another episode for instance i think episode number four it’s a pixel appearance it’s in the city actually where i’m now it’s in the south and they did like a really beautiful thing that there is like a harbor up here which is like with factories but they’re not functioning anymore so they close down this area became unsafe if there’s no life so other people take opportunity of this dark space and suddenly this area became like very dangerous it became like a barrier both physically and mentally because you know don’t go there and like families didn’t allow their kids to go there or even pass by they’d be like oh no don’t don’t go there and this area affected the surrounding areas as well uh i want to buy a house but no it’s close to that area no okay let’s keep it so it’s this kind of atmosphere so the mizwaiti decided to change this how it’s by like bringing our creativity bringing people basically to create life and what they did is to transform all this area to pixels 10 by 10 meters and every citizen in hillsborough city can get a pixel but the only what is the goal is to transform this pixel to an artwork so you can either like build something like a prototyping or you can do have it like a theater show or just something that makes people be there and enjoy it and now this area became absolutely one of one of most popular areas not only in this city but in sweden it’s very beautiful very interesting and hopefully one day if you visit sweden we go there you take a look it’s very beautiful what we talk about now is that cities we did a mistake before because we didn’t integrate art and culture we designed spaces not for people now what we do and also like that’s why i told in the beginning that i’m focusing on people being part of this planning because what activates a space is a people and now we plan like okay how do we plan seasonal activities weekly activities activities during the weekend is this space available to host a festival or a market can this building like host a meeting for kids to do like a course piano course or maybe even play indoor football so now we’ll be okay we need to be really careful and we shouldn’t plan cities for other stuff we should plan cities for people do you ever find you or your guests coming up against resistance to those sorts of ideas do you find that there’s still a pull from saudi authorities in different countries who want to persist in making space for cars rather than people actually they guessed that in my opinion my show hopefully like everyone was agreeing about the same idea that okay we shouldn’t plan for cars but when we talk you know like in the end the why we still doing it it’s because of many things that uh first for the logistics the other one people like that invest that the paying the actual money actually they want to have a space for car or some like policies that steal on the old time and are not updated and many other reasons but we all like everybody on on this planet almost everybody knows that planning for cars is not a wise idea for instance like one time i talked with a guy in the municipality like a really big project leader a senior and he truly believed that we should plan for people and at the same time he he told that okay but we have in our policy and our goals that we need to make it accessible for the logistics same time accessible for people for the transportation what cities do now is that minimize the number not like really ban cars but just like trying to minimize some cities are not really doing it at all unfortunately i know certainly in different parts of the uk it feels like a battle to get local authorities to consider changing things even just um the likes of getting more space for people in the pandemic to be able to move around and not get run over by cars and people to be able to cycle and walk in places it’s been a real struggle i think exactly exactly and also the pandemic showed us how important it is to like have spaces not only for cars but for us to play with our kids for us to take a walk you know like because we are how to say we’re like in our home 24 7 and we need to take a fresh air so actually like the kovi didn’t bring something new to the table of urban planning it’s just showed that how important it is things that we didn’t do just like point it one more time okay uh oh you didn’t do that this is the consequence yeah it’s a lot to think about and i suppose and i think a lot of your guests would describe themselves as activists as well because they’re actively trying to get authorities to come around to that way of thinking and change policy so it can be a hugely political area as well as cultural yeah that’s true because also the guests that i host sometimes i choose them because i’m i’m following on linkedin or i see in the news and sometimes they are being nominated by other people but i like this soul of being an activist even if you’re like in a real high position at the same time you want to change because this is what i believe in we don’t have so much time to be so friendly we need to be honest and say okay it’s really time to change the thing that because they are the storytellers they will take the consequences of every word they say urbanistic is a kind of reviewing what people like think and it’s a platform for them it’s not that mustafa is agreeing with this idea it’s an open space for people to talk and i believe that we need to listen to everybody in order that we make a good city i cannot just listen to myself you know or to only to paul and we have like a really good conversation we agree and that’s it if we want to build a city for everybody then we should listen to everybody that’s it i’d like to talk a bit about language as well because something that i find hugely impressive is that you make your podcasts in three languages so different episodes will be in a different language depending i think is it depending on who your guest is and what they speak and what they’re comfortable with yeah yeah you’re absolutely right the thing with language first i i wanted as i mentioned before the aim of the podcast is to inspire as many people as possible so we can do the change and if you aspire to people big change 100 people you know and so on so i started with let me do it in in swedish because i’m in sweden this is the market and yeah i’m urban planner here but at the same time be like no but wait why should i limit myself i want also to do it in english so i started also doing it in english and then i thought okay but wait a minute seems like i’m missing something i’m missing my my my own language you know like the arabic so i start i am i started with interviewing people from middle east so now like in three languages swedish english arabic and as you mentioned it’s about the guest the storyteller so i prefer in english because it’s easier for me even if i don’t find the right word i can like go around it and describe it somehow but in the end it’s about the guest i ask the guest okay would you like to do it in which language which language do you feel yourself delivering 100 yourself and yeah they choose some of them you know like like swedish because they can express themselves more some of them english is their like favorite language some of them like arabic so it’s real about the guest and in the end it’s my aim is to inspire as many people as possible and i shouldn’t like really limit myself it can be sometimes disturbing for the followers of the podcast because you know like if you scroll down you see like english swedish arabic arabic and you know like maybe three episodes in swedish one in english so maybe sometimes you need to wait until you get your your english or your arabian episode it’s a great idea i think when i started this podcast i had huge ambitions that other people might want to collaborate and be able to do their own versions of it in whatever language they were speaking but it’s still i think that’s still too big a goal maybe in a few years time but uh yeah but your your idea is to collaborate with people that speak other language to do the same thing something similar yeah to have it as a say an umbrella for something and to have a cooperative where lots of people are doing something similar together as a team but yeah so that it could be accessible in lots of different languages and that sort of thing i mean that’s a pipe dream but i think i think it’s a really good idea and yeah if you it’s always good to start step by step and i think if you experience how it is in your language and you how to say you you made it so now like it’s to go to the next step and i i think i truly believe that many people like this idea and want to collaborate because you know in the end we like to be part of a community and and deliver something and create a value and yeah what you do and dreaming about it’s a great value for people as well so i think it’s it’s really possible to do it well you’re showing that it is i mean it’s wonderful that you know i’m a language learner i’m i’m not fluent in any other languages to the point what what are you learning what language i can speak some spanish and i am learning irish as well um because i’m trying to connect with a part of myself that was i feel like it was kept from me for a very long time and i’m trying to connect with that part of me and irish is fascinating actually it’s a fascinating language in terms of place because when you do learn some irish you realize that place names across the whole island yeah they’re describing the geographical features of the place wow um so i’m from belfast which is belfastia which means mouth of the river farshit and belfast is just this anglicized version of it that means nothing it’s just a name but bulfascia means something very interesting yeah so um even in terms of geography it’s fascinating to learn that language and you realize what things actually are yeah but are you thinking to like if we talk about the future hopefully the nearest future are you thinking to host by your own or having like a other host on your podcast what is in your mind and heart i’m always very open to collaboration and i have sometimes got a regular co-host it’s just that person is hugely overworked at the moment i understand join me um so i a lot of the earlier episodes of this podcast have me and another regular person but um he just can’t do it at the moment so it’s just me and whoever’s with me you know that time yeah but yeah i think just that idea of language opening things out because even if we’re imperfect speakers of something it’s about communicating isn’t it and it’s about sharing and if you can find as you said earlier you know if you can’t find a specific word you can find a way of communicating what you mean i love listening to your podcast where somebody needs to say a word in german because there’s just no other way of saying it yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah exactly you know like sometimes you’ll be like okay it’s hopeless i will i cannot find it let me just say it and let’s see what happened i i totally agree with you because uh i believe from my heart i don’t need to be like in a high level an academic level in order to have a conversation in the end we are people we’re a human being i’m not a professor or ceo that’s another topic but now i want to have a conversation with you a human being and i can do that we can have a beautiful conversation and if i cannot really express myself i will try my best and i truly know that you will try your best as well to understand me so in the because many people say no i’m not really ready i don’t have enough professional language or i don’t know i say no come on it’s not about you being perfect maybe this this will never happen you need to take every opportunity start every conversation because you don’t know what’s going to happen in the end of this conversation getting new ideas a new collaboration you maybe you inspire people or get inspired by them so i believe that language is a key to success because you inspire you get inspired by people and when you talk or when you listen things change and things happen so i’m also believing in in your idea about doing it and hosting other people it’s going to be a really interesting i suppose it’s building that community however you find it because you started your podcast in the before times and then same as with all of us it’s very quickly had to just move into the virtual space so how have you found building a community around urbanistica and these ideas well it’s it’s a bit like for a newly started podcast my podcast is one year old and it’s a bit difficult to build the community especially if you’re not visible in an erl you know if you just exist digitally a community is it’s like from my point of view it’s a sense of feelings something you see digital but also you can see it in real life so you can touch it you can you know smell and so on so i tried my best to build a community and a community is about like people i worked with within sweden or i know and also the community that not in sweden like in the digital community and so far it’s going good because i see people interacting with each other people like sending me feedback or we have like this little community around like these questions or these topics in urbanistic about urban planning people environment but i believe that when things get back to url the community can get bigger because then we can have other activities to make the community stronger like okay let’s have a meeting you know talk about maybe this episode or who wants to go to this seminar and we can have like a an after work so like do more interaction uh with each other how how do you feel from your side do you feel it’s easy to build a community around the podcast in this digital world i have always found it a challenge really because i think i’ve got a small following and i seem to have a small but loyal following but i think one of the it’s not really a negative but it’s just an unknown is that you don’t know who’s listening and who’s engaging and who’s enjoying and who gave up on you and you can’t go and chase them and say no no i improved it try us again um you know i get some really really lovely feedback from people and especially since actually i have increased a lot of things i have more than doubled a lot of things because of just moving fully online and being able to speak to people like you it’s just really expanded the scope of the podcast but also the reach because i think then people think oh actually that’s really interesting it’s not just about movies it’s not just about art it’s about all these different things because i think for this podcast it was a bit of a risk being quite broad because i’m very open-minded about what audio-visual culture could be and it’s audio visual cultures so it’s plural so it includes things like urban planning and architecture because that’s what’s all around us it is part of our visual and you know oral culture as well because we can think about the signs of the cities as well i mean not so much a part of it maybe not maybe we’re thinking about the visual of a city layout or how you can navigate it and move through it but also how does it sound you know is it too loud is it too quiet do you have quiet spaces to go to are there places where you can sit and have a quiet chat are there places where it’s okay for you to go and sing and be loud and and have public meetings and so on you know so there’s lots of so many different areas that we can get into so it’s very similar to you and that i want to present to people right these people are doing really fascinating things and this is a space where we can dip in and out and show that actually it’s nothing exists in a vacuum all of it is connected in some way yeah i totally agree with you and also like about how many people listen and so so far you believe in this and you’re passionate about this you should do it and it’s you know it’s about enjoying the journey as well and yeah it’s also about uh being passionate things will not happen during one day you know but so far you’re delivering a value things will happen in the long run and i totally agree with you that urban planning and architecture is a part of our culture as well and we didn’t like really talked in details of how but it is a really strong part of it and as you say like it’s very broad that’s because you’re super curious and it’s it’s a good to start with and and it’s also a journey for you maybe like you will find a niche and you want to continue with this but at the same time from my side as well like i am also broads i’m talking about city so it’s uh again like i want to listen to everybody and in the end for the listeners if there’s like somebody interested in this okay there is this kind of podcast is available and at the same time there are like thousand other podcasts with very niche like talking only about cars in the city or like light in the city and so on so i think you’re delivering a value and in the long run you will not be able to answer your followers

yeah i think that’s it it’s driven by right this is what i’m interested in i’m happy to hear from you about what you’re interested in but i think this is really awesome yeah yeah yeah exactly and i think in the end it’s about you being passionate and you you work hard and you deliver this value and then it’s up to people if they want to get it and enjoy it or if they do not want you cannot force people you know but for the best you you you’re producing a content yeah well yeah we’re all content providers these days yeah and i i i really like it was very cool moment for me when many students wrote to me in linkedin and they’d be like we used your podcast this episode as a reference in our thesis oh no you know how do we write you know i don’t know what you call it the reference yeah i’d be like i have no idea so yeah i’d be like what really so i was like really happy and i’m so grateful for people that when they write me and like in the beginning the voice quality was not so good yeah because you know i was also learning the journey and there was uh one girl she’d be like i hate your podcast because i cannot really listen because i she’s like putting the volume on the maximum level and still like not really yeah but it’s it’s good that she wrote me so i fix it or i do something about it yeah yeah or there’s there was one guy like this is really funny he told me i love your podcast because it makes me sleep

i said oh thank you so much uh now i see my podcast delivering a value it makes you sleep thank you so much for telling this comforting voice yeah he told me no don’t don’t get me in the wrong way but it’s like very good flow i feel happy then i just go to sleep there are two podcasts where i do listen to the episodes properly but if i can’t sleep i will go and listen to old episodes that i’ve heard before because it just relaxes me enough and i can go to sleep and the voices are like silk you know yeah yeah yeah yeah i understand you because i think this is the beauty of the audio you know that you can multitask you can you know wash dishes or you can run and or work or even sleep this is why podcast is growing so much now and like big companies like amazon spotify apple are investing in this because it’s about time which is very valuable for us so i take it you find it hugely enjoyable to make urbanistic out yeah sure sure i spent like so many hours but i am in love with it and because when i listen i learn so much actually and sometimes i be like should i stop should i continue because you know it’s taking uh so much time but for me i don’t really feel that it’s a wasting time or too much of hard working because i’m i’m enjoying it so it’s yeah it’s a beautiful journey it’s a great skill set i think to have because you’re not just learning how to speak to people in a way that is listenable for other people but it’s the audio editing and it’s producing it and learning what’s a good approach to writing to people to be on the podcast if you don’t know them it’s all sorts of things you know and as you say it’s that trial and error of how is the equipment working how can i learn how to improve the sound quality because i think a lot of us have started our podcasts ad hoc with no professional equipment we’ve had to learn and we’ve had to make makeshift ways of getting around certain problems and learning how to use audio editing suites and you know diw’s digital audio workspaces and things yeah so it’s a huge amount of skills that you’ve developed as well as you mentioned it’s a journey you’re learning you become a problem solver you become a good speaker and communicator with people trying to have a good conversation in the emails trying to have a good conversation when we talk like this and recording and also you’re learning so much like both skills wise and like leadership like from the beginning of the podcast one year ago in stockholm we have this you know podcast studios that you just go there they fix everything and you pay and that’s it but for me i i wanted the journey you know i wanted to learn these skills i want to get my hands dirty like i listened to youtube bought microphone edited and okay many times i thought i was recording but i did not yeah and i’m i’m so so grateful and thankful for all the guests for them being in my podcast for two times because the first time we just missed it wow yeah many things happen but when these things happen you learn other stuff like you learn how to fix it you learn how to manage the situation you know and so on so you explore also how to deal with people and what kind of people are you talking with so i i think it’s a very very great journey to be honest and that’s why you’re keeping doing it i am keeping doing it because we get so much of it i feel very similar to you as well i love doing this i love speaking to people like you because i learn loads of things and i listen to my own podcast because i want to hear what the guest is saying all over again because i mean i’m i’m in the conversation now but i’m also managing other things yeah then i’ll edit it but i’m just making sure it’s a good listening experience so i’m not listening for the content but so i listen to the finished thing for the content again and that’s me hearing you talk about all your awesome stuff and that’s when i learn everything properly yeah yeah i understand you because as you mentioned during the like during now when we record as a host you need to keep eye on time questions smile to the guests and yeah manage some money stuff so you sometimes you’re not really 100 in every single word that the guest says but when you edit you’ll be like wow this is so wise i love this i love this and yeah and this is also like part of why i’m editing it by myself instead of outsourcing it because every watch they say it’s valuable for me as an urban planner yes and when i listen to a person delivering a value i don’t want to miss it so i write down actually and then i use it in my work or i use them as you know like in my life a personal life so yeah it’s again it’s a very beautiful journey in one year i learned so much to be honest that’s so lovely would you like to point people listening to this towards urbanistica where can they find out about the podcast where can they listen and where can they find out about you and follow you so also thank you for giving this opportunity for giving this platform so you can find urbanistic podcasts like in every podcast application just write urbanistica on instagram i’m very active there like urbanistic podcast i’m doing stories and show what’s behind the scenes and so on because it’s important for me to show the work behind the scenes to so people understand how it is function and so on so instagram and facebook as well it’s a facebook page on linkedin you can write mustafa sheriff and i will be very happy to have you there because i think there we can really inspire each other when you like publish articles or comment on each other like in a professional way as well so yeah linkedin instagram facebook and your favorite podcast application and is there anything else that you would like to say to put across to people that we haven’t touched on today well there’s so much to say but what i want to say is about we should like really take opportunity of this podcast world there are so many podcasts about everything you imagine and if you didn’t find your favorite podcasts maybe you should start a podcast yeah yeah but i think this podcast world is giving so much values i’m learning so much by listening so to different podcasts and be be open like be open listen to different podcasts so you understand what you like what you don’t like i think you should understand the journey of doing a podcast also like from 0 to 100 episode the development and so on so enjoy the podcast world mr fishery it’s been really wonderful talking to you today thank you so much for this thank you so much paula i’m really happy and i like your podcast and also i like how you think by art and culture bringing people together and this is a great platform thank you so much for having me thank you you feel the same thank you

this has been a cozy pea pod production with me paula blair the music is common ground by airton used under a creative commons 3.0 non-commercial license and is downloadable from ccmixter.org episodes release every other wednesday subscribe on apple podcasts spotify amazon music or wherever you find your podcasts see the show notes for a video link if you need auto captions be part of the conversation with av cultures on facebook and twitter or iv cultures pod on instagram as well as patreon membership one-off support is appreciated at buy me a coffee.com forward slash pea blair i produce and edit the show by myself and i am grateful for any support for this work for more information and episode links visit audiovisualculture.wordpress.com thank you so much for listening catch you next time

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