Audiovisual Cultures episode 64 – Birdbox automated transcript

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hello and welcome to the audio visual culture support cast that explores different areas of the arts and cultural production I'm Paula Blair and and this one I thought it would be useful to revisit films that demonstrate ways the disabilities come into their own when sudden changes brought about by a widespread invasion of something not unlike a pandemic as we're experiencing at the time of recording this intro are widely disabling and the usually non disabled must learn a new way of living to survive back in January twenty nineteen Angie Sheila and I recorded a general discussion about watching films and programs and Netflix with his family during the twenty eighteen winter holidays as part of that we spent some time on bird box directed by Susanne bier and adopted by Eric hi Sir from the twenty fourteen novel by Josh Miller men and starring Sandra bullock for this episode have extracted that part of the chat to highlight the importance of including people of all abilities and vulnerabilities not just at times of crisis but always we all matter and I hope this story finds new appreciation and the light of challenging times a good pairing for this is episode fifteen on a quiet place the sequel for which has been postponed for release later in the year huge thanks to members and Petri on dot com forward slash AP cultures for all your support everyone is welcome to get involved and the shots on our socials or by sending an recordings or even during a live chat with me listen to the enter contact details for now I enjoy this restaurant six but some if you insist so it was bad but this film seems like it was made because a quiet place was successful it seldom that simple of course basically given a bed boxes based on novel novel is published well before a quiet place was made so it's based on a twenty fourteen novel corporate books by Josh Mylan given the proximity of some coming nights with production would be well under way probably it seems like a bit of a coincidence it's not the site equivalent of a quiet place because it was it would be that if you have seen following the aliens when you dine but it's the if you see the engines thank you never really kind of what it is it's never clear that it's an alien invasion people are dying so fast that you don't really know what it is it could be some sort of supernatural creature organisers of supernatural events and it actually seems to be quite an individual to every victim because they're people only hear their own loved ones so that promises that people see something that's so deeply horrific and so five nine to them so desperately desperately sad knowing that they and since may feel the need to end their lives and I'll find the closest means of doing so the do it with a blissed out look on the faces well so there's this little change from what you would expect somebody who's in the depths of despair to do which is to cry uncontrollably and become this emotional wreck they do it as if they're in a state of ecstasy the belief that it's the best thing they're saying they're affected psychologically by whatever these things are I love the film doesn't share the interest yeah we always get into the quiet place we get to see what these items that like in quite some detail and why it is that their %HESITATION so sensitive to sound because it is a most of the heads were in this the closest we get to seeing these I'm gonna Canadians because I reckon it's rather than supernatural but it's just extraterrestrial is that we get one character who's been permitted to see them and to live so they seem to have this choice to affect people in such a way that they don't kill himself but he's been in charge of in some way too I'm using supernatural and it's just been changed in some way to make other people look at them he considers them to be awfully beautiful and so we've done all these drawings of them yes and we're going to get so his drawings and accept a freshness paper and start doing more drawings those drawings as you like them on the table the drawings of monsters but that's the closest we get in this film to seeing what these things look like which I think was great because what they look like nothing does it not matter but it makes it scarier if we're constantly and mentioning what these things that I've just offscreen good morning Tom Hollander love always planned awful person is awesome this is discussing behaving up city that say he's he's okay now but he's still a sinister character and he plays it so well yes guy he's almost possessed by these things you know when he goes on this quite murderous rampage trying to gather people selected them and when he can't say that just killing them and saying I'm sorry you don't get to see how beautiful it is three need to survive that's our job market which is kind of to buys it just get stopped March on March fifteenth can you make up this director Susanne bier just on this idea of not being able to see the creatures if you're an up and coming from Medicare and Netflix has really been supporting women filmmakers have been struggling to get funding must bind with three seven same center last the race it's really got her on the mouth their support and she's gone already stellar cast and that this production is starring and executive produced by Sandra bullock and I think just the idea of not seeing the monsters a lot of filmmakers have cut their teeth sounding harsh where they've had to be inventive a bite subjective camerawork and implying things in the off screen space implying what their mom surcharge so that they don't actually have to go to the expense of trying to design and then have one screen a monster and then potentially looking really rubbish is a Gareth Edwards he has first feature was monsters which he made on his laptop in his bedroom because it's old three sign design you never actually see the monsters in the tile and he went on to direct the court celery me can Star Wars and things it's not just cheap it's smart business yes once the event is a way of saying that it's a creative solution to ready thanks had a problem since your budget constraints what a quick minimal props you can use a lot of the times the creature is implied three very strong wind lifting up lots of leads flowing in the camera so that's something you can create ten part for radio waves a blower and some Hades but I think of all the time it's done digitally I think because it's such a simple concept works really well because you can really have Tracy compete poetry Spock to make them look like they're being blown you have a wind machine on them to make them look like being blown so you can create those a fax and it's through the timing it's thirty added thing that's really where the cars come to there's never any jump scares I don't think I can't remember any real job scheduling was waiting for them but it's similar to a quiet place and that it's highly suspenseful because if being conditioned by a quiet place three times and I was trying not to react okay noises knocks and she and I mean you're trying not to draw attention to yourself of course but this thing can say yea and it is aware of when he meant it only seems to affect humans because birds are an important part box of course is the crux of the thing we've touched upon the two strands of this film the first is it has a simple premise that simply says the characters you survive the initial apocalypse do so because they've learned what to serve in part just by chance but they continue to survive because they learned that the world now has an exceptional characteristic which is that you must not look outside the house if yours are hers you can do looking but if you're outside the house you can't look and that means you have to cover up a windows as well so it's and if you look at the outside world you don't film I'm sorry it's all played out with that different characteristic to the world and this is all you need to do to create really great tense human drama disco okay this one fact about life has now changed so no one can use verbs you know but it's just really simple things just change that throw which humans into that mix and you've got some great drama how people deal with different situations produce great on on the second strike this film I think is that we don't leave it until quite late but it points out that in a situation in which suddenly the environment has changed and being able to see is a liability people who are blind I have quite a serious survival advantage over people who are signed and so this is much like in a quiet place because in a quiet place the advantage that the family has is that they're very good at communicating without talking because one of the daughters is already deaf and therefore they were you sign language in both books the sanctuary vets on the book character this matter is not quite known gent six specific names the flame tree that she had two kids find at the end is one which is a home for the blind because blind people just automatically immune to this invasion meaning that if you want to survive you need the help of the plot is one of these films it just quietly away %HESITATION hi %HESITATION specific to circumstances our our abilities James involvement low band we are just awfully involved bridges or any kind of adequately involved in circumstances that we do live in anyway but James I'm a bit more awful this does bring me to the two bits affection that I'm aware of that %HESITATION for runners for this very simple story principal of no one can see serve because I realize that this is all based on twenty forty novel so we're going back to four minutes for the novel there's a piece of short fiction from nineteen oh eight of nineteen twenty they're very very similar so stories and I'm sure these are the only two peas affects where this thing happened so nineteen oh eight the focus by Molly Roberts a nineteen twenty it's called the black grip grip spoke G. R. I. P. P. E. written by Edgar Wallace and in both of these stories something happens that means that suddenly no one can see them both the sources said in London none of the characters know anything about the rest of England let alone the rest of the world in London at least certainly no one can see and that means that people have been blind since birth and are used to navigating without being able to see suddenly become heroes and the first one it's this guy called cramp it is going to be blind gravel old crap is going in blind since birth and he becomes a hero to this group of characters who aren't able to see was the fall get along the mystic and in the nineteen twenty one by Edgar Wallace the heroes are people who are members of institute for the blind because in the nineteen twenty one the reason why I don't get bored it is because of the disease and it's a disease that blind you for about ten days and then you get signed back and so what the government does it and actually knows this is going to happen because some scientists have done experiments in rabbits and goats this is about to happen to humans the government now the government is contacts all these industries for the blind in the blind you used to set up this rudimentary communications network that just about let the government continue to function and so the blind being heroes because something prevents all the people who are used to seeing from saying is exactly what happens in this film and also presumably in the novel take the blind you're being harassed left until the end and I really can't fix affecting a blind character to turn up and go guys it's okay I can help you because they don't affect me and I'm completely used to traveling without being able to sit watching these signs of characters trying to get around without being able to see that was one of the really tense parts of the fact that the one point Tom haters I just realized is introduced very early %HESITATION even before we get to learn what his name is he says let's just take the car it's got motion sensors front and back so we'll be able to tell if we're gonna hit something we just go around someone said to me get in this car and black out the windows and then go and drive it it's fine just trust motion sensors I'd be a nervous wreck for the day we must get the local supermarket the motion sensors can even pick up the aliens to make this into kind of they seem to fly whenever I just noticed this when I'm looking at looking at the idea to look up in that fits with the principle of believes lifting off the ground like a suction leaps and them and that they disrupt the foliage seemingly from above I suppose it's also known as at this point that this is one of those films which it doesn't have anything in it which cannot possibly be radio in that and we see a car exploded you can do an exploding car when you're doing principal photography in that sense it's got things which you could just produce as a visual effect without doing it in post production during the effects and post production but it became quite clear after one of the laws of this film was constructed in post production so we just saw a car exploding there was something a little bit wrong about that explosion wasn't that it was quite clean I think they had a car that was on fire and they just how did the explosion of US products and says Lopez is that when they go down the river quite a lot of those shots seem to be stitched together digitally Mr for the always of course that's what done digitally Evelyn's eyes change color when they see one of these items it was a tense film and I didn't prefer myself going how much time is left that's one of the temptations with Netflix because you've got a slide along the bottom but I can tell that a habit of denouncing you're watching things on your laptop but we can watch this on your laptop and was on a television screen but if you pose it on TV they will tell you how much time is left but that would have made everyone in it you can just let me run your finger from my spot to check because you're really annoying how but or do you just acting from Sandra bullock she's really great and I just went there her characters interesting because she's an artist that set up birdie on that she's heavily pregnant she's not really interested in the paint or he the father is or any of that she's already interests and relationships sheets in quite a bit of denial about it they think it's growing insider Hollywood has an amazing ability never to tackle the issue of abortion non mainstream films yeah absolutely we're going to head on but Hollywood goes no I'm not going to do this Netflix does that count as Hollywood's is it well I am sorry the mainstream it seems that at least in his attitude towards abortion it's completely in the mainstream because Mallory's attitudes to being pregnant is one of our just ignore it it seems to say what county would reasonably do if they're pregnant and they don't want to be pregnant is just ignore it which seems like a desperate way of trying to go let's have a character giving birth against her will but half to %HESITATION create a justification for it because of course somebody could have an abortion in this country before twenty eight weeks for notified to be pregnant I have to carry a baby to term against her will rather than us making it so that she's just come from a country where you can't have an abortion saying or that she lives in a state where she's been systemically prevented from having one open ended by a family from having one they just make it that she's just a bit cute cute he's cute enough to just ignore the fact that she's pregnant right up until a month for say before she's due it just seems like this character would have had an abortion that seems like a much more realistic thing yeah in the back story well there's probably quite a few things I mean just's offended I fire that's probably where a film like dirty dancing as Akshay Reddy quick punk and noise there for dealing with something that cuts are actually so I got the impression that it's a knock that she's putting on you know like it's because this is somebody who's a survivor that could be aware though of just excusing it because he could be right that yes this is just mainstream media production and a very general sense just not acknowledging abortion and the U. S. also depends what state you're in things are changing and currently the S. class sedan ministration back does want to scale right back on abortion laws this is considered it might be that this is a character you could just come out a one point the film and say no I am pro life I don't believe that yeah right she could just say that capable of course with that suggests is that the one touch the issue with a barge pole I don't know yeah the corrective stand anywhere on abortion system I thought was quite impressive in terms of its characterization because even most people you don't really spend a lot of time if you get a sense of the person yeah quite easily I think Murray picks on a bed of an act of being a cold hard nosed her send but it says when she meets and Lafayette he is also heavily pregnant when she comes into it because they refuge and Haris and another pregnant woman manages to find them and come and she's very sweet she's had a very sheltered life this old Disney princesses and surely opens as a little girl so that she can color jasmine or something like that Mallory at first is quite she's never reach her but she is quite distance Olympia tries to be friends and they're going through a very similar experience together this very intense unique experience that they're both having that there have to be pregnant in the middle of this catastrophe the mother he does so often she does start to understand her she Caesar's human being even the John Malkovich character Hey moderate tells him to his face that she thinks he's an asshole he puts his own life before others he takes quite awhile for him to come get it and it gets to a point actually read the rest of them don't trust him enough and then he actually comes come gets properly anyway he's got person south quite a bit it's set up in a way that he's to foil because her interactions with him actually show that she does care about people as she does carry the baby that she's carrying not only that she cares by the other people all of them she wants more to survive she wants a livia and her baby to survive and my Lafayette becomes effective because Tom Hollander goes crazy go nuts and openside all the windows and is trying to get up but a lack of Lafayette accidentally looks at the window and she can't help but see what it is and she's holding her baby and Mallory is desperately trying to use the post comments a birth seem time look on the same day on this in the same month yeah it's revealed when they made that there do you do it as a day apart so they both go into labor at the same time they're both bursting at the same time there's just bring that is just take it over with first thing and it's happening in the middle of this intense situation that's happening at the same time you know the Tom Hollander character he takes the opportunity to show his hand doesn't wear because he manages to convince them that he's a normal when he's not to get into the high stacks are moderate really expresses how caring she is and the fact that it center cut just going back and forth in time where that actually begins with her and the two children a boy and a girl the same age and it goes back six years so you know that these kids are five years old it gives a good momentum it's becoming quite a common practice these days to go we can still in media Raz the make up I can tell you when this all comes from and we'll catch up on them a bit yeah but it keeps reminding us of the in media res action is still going on as we're moving up to the present so it keeps it less intense but you're asking about Susanne bier Danish made a lot of films in Denmark phase well she was one of the dogma ninety five manifesto directors that's self constructed books of limitation and you probably know from the night manager she was director of the night manager TV service starring Tom Hiddleston Hugh Laurie and have your common David Harewood Tom Holland to Analisa both debates but I never saw that that that makes sense she sends TV before order her Danish film so because I know her name from some quite some few of course the token English titles fruits leaving home ninety one family matters not not for like it never was before nine ninety five credo ninety seven the one and only ninety nine once in a lifetime two thousand brothers two thousand four after the wedding two thousand six things we lost in the fire those seven in a better world two thousand ten love is all you need to twenty twelve Serena twenty fourteen this scene in which one occurrences says Hey let's use the CCTV cameras on the outside of my house really long yeah two Jessica Parker is as far as musical correct it is nice that they just referred to his husband and it's not affecting you yeah everyone's lost someone that seems to when they arrived in this house this part ten of them in the market which is character here is Douglas we see him lose his wife as she's trying to help those murdering Rohingya yeah everyone has a story about how they just lost someone it is one of those whore do consortium Harmon factions it's like a quiet place it's very difficult to a pen as Jon Rahm it because it's a suspense horror thriller we're talking about the wrong character Greg using the security cameras I was thinking all right yeah it's mechanical seeing it's just deserve mention surely they can't get you via digital cameras but take care yeah he was thinking it would mediates but it doesn't mediated enough and clearly when the years the motion sensors on the comp that mediates enough so yeah seems to be nonfiction directly saying it's just sensing it is quite different from what you wear Greg sees the CCTV footage and it's just moving shadows okay yes %HESITATION genre thriller I think would be my guess is he M. S. crime you know you think there's a K. perfect and then thurs working I tweet on that this is it's working out how to survive in a world where you it's not safe for you to see anything maybe the structural weakened appoint as a survivalist drama because again it's got those inflection of postapocalyptic well it's the apocalypse happening is the human race's things systematically wiped giants unless you can get to these kinds of sanctuaries that our schools for the blind yeah it is really interesting hi it doesn't seem to be a consideration but then the quiet place centers right now %HESITATION name that has a deaf child Spencer there %HESITATION fluent in sign language baths and base doesn't even occur to people that %HESITATION we should see how blind people coke because I think in a way that's more realistic in terms of high society just thank the speakers we normalize the default kind of human thought has all the names and everything working the able bodied or privileged and so when you're not able bodied in so many years capable of surviving better than able bodied changes what able bodied means the thing that this does finitely hasn't come with a quiet place is it proposes that we have on one usually normalized a certain body type the problem with the quiet places that the deaf character causes quite a bit of danger because she doesn't understand signed yes that's a problem because she'd give sort of browser the toy that kills them her nose and she doesn't understand how loud it's going to be and that he's really not going to use it properly because he's five he's not gonna devotees tolls she can't hear the noise that she makes nothing means a large character it's just it's enabled the authors to be quiet eleven a side of morals and understand what it's like to live in the side of the world but she can make noise that's the problem she can't hear the noises she's able to make for a synthesis it's different because you don't have an equivalent higher with the fine lines in a liability for the site yeah actually yeah this is a kind of step one was from a quote because it has to stay at the end where basically the blind on the people leading it that the new society about what kind of a society is it because that's the whole point of the bird boxes that they find that it's hard to say find these budgies initial because parties are in shops in cages the alliance for consumers it's not too late where he would pay so they seized three budgies that they managed to keep alive the birds can sense when the creature is nearby and the nuts they just squawk and squawk and squawk that is a warning signal from the alarm this was as one of things that distinguishes this quite sharply from a quiet place because in a quiet place there's a these things have a weakness narrative and finding out what that is means they can start to fight back just for the film and squares innocents you just need to do a bit of observing to find out simply how to sense the creature yeah without seeing them the base is very important to mention that you need is not peace information about how to hurt the creatures it's just the base information about how to you know want to close your eyes and and that's the problem is that you can't trust everybody around you guys there and even the creature seems to develop its doing something with the emotions when it's trying to seduce people and selecting it's trying to get the children to take the blindfolds offense trying to trick people it uses the voices which is in a way where you do you actually need to be quiet in this world is it uses the voices that would be trusted to take the blindfold off so that they will see and then it can take their lives whatever she's using them for prison might place it seems to be a minor feeding but here there's no explanation there's just don't know what these things are this is just this phenomenon that happens nobody can even study it because there's just no way to see yet it's just about survival at this point these aliens that have just have this automatic hunting instinct which is just if they think about a human killing themselves or if I even know even if they think if they just aren't seen by human they automatically make human what codes of state can manipulate it to an extent they can go all right so that human that I don't want a human to feel despair that means that they kill themselves I want a human to to have the opposite reaction seems to be that they figure all right that people will start wearing blindfolds they need to find a way of getting them to take the fine folks often the way J. six because at first people are trusting people because if you're not killing yourself he seemed to be normal so nobody knows yet what signs to look out for I think you said remember watching the from the first time that it's a way of wiping our department to take over the planet possibly could be a reason why it's happening beyond the speculation needs register now for going he's been mind controlled by them says it shall cleanse the world the idea is that humans are being like an extinction event on their status the quicker than life boat another kind of bird box at the end the son Jerry where they've managed it Cisco let's send the minds somewhere or no it's in reference to a summer yeah it's near estuaries very vague where this even if the voice on the radio says the license for the first song follow the bird some so they've got their little parties in this little box that they're carrying case that's a warning sign when they finally check out there they manage to have daylight because that's got this incredible topiary which echoes yeah so it is like a cage it is the sort of gilded cage thing is meant where they're trapped inside they've got everything they need to score a small community parts if more people manage to find it fella yeah I did okay yeah so as far as the building quite big it's got a central courtyard growing over that center is trees and bushes that have grown up the building on both sides need to be together over the top so that light can still committed to my life but the concierge thing through this pretty thick matted massive trees I mean clearly one of these beings aren't they can't just pull a few brushes aside they seem to have a rather abstract exists I thought maybe it was we need to say it again maybe but I thought there was a structure there they are actually growing across that he couldn't tests go three the foliage yeah there is a structure as if the place already has an aviary yeah four out for another brutal consisting of this phone which is the minority lets these two kids get to age five without giving them names what does the girl and boy the boy they don't know any different Tom has been with them for most of this six years she's met him for being literal and it's six years later they're probably just coming sex so there but six Thoman Mallory on the to be a base for the remaining survivors and the community that they built in the Holy Spirit thanks for my family unit it's a survival unit but they do also for my family and it is used to write that Tom a moderate form a relationship they have a romantic relationship that shows a softer side when she goes for supply runs and how the system again that's very similar to a quiet place where they find a system for getting your own mind so in a quiet place it was the sound everywhere she could walk perfect and this may have retractable lines that they can use to feel their way blindfolded so they go on the supply runs to the abandoned houses and things she manages to find a negligee you know so you did say that she is a sexual person she does care she has MS moving relationship with Tom she is fiercely protective of these children probably a bit too much because there's a bit where it seems about harpist Thomas trying to tell them stories that we give them hope and stay abreast of a normal childhood and she's arguing with him you shouldn't get their hopes up like that they're never gonna have thought when this in a way it's back to being a family drama this is the crux of parenting is not is not quite agreeing on the best way of bringing up the children just got transferred into really extreme circumstances she's so concerned for their survival she doesn't want them thinking I thought it is the crux of this film she has to admit that she's wrong yeah Tom is just right he's carrying and he's right he's done from the word go even when she doesn't quite realize that he's the most amazing person his big thing is now these kids need to dream as it is now you get my hopes up and never gonna have normal lives and she has to learn this is wrong even after he's done to save their lives when they get to this century and they can't in this particular environment could have a bit more of like a normal life yeah they can integrate we can meet other kids finally what with that figure because it's a bit of a run the moment when he has a doctor to lock them he was doing a an ultrasound at the beginning yeah so S. the number for and it was a spectator early memories from the old refusal to even admit that yeah getting your documentation that adopting may meet her again at this facility you know having a doctor that deliver useful person but I find myself going how did you know that she was in the same hospital our system would driving when the first attack happened in everyone's killing themselves how did she survive is survival that random I suppose we just expected soon this is a nice moment it's mostly so that Mallory can have that conversation where she actually finally names the children just as much to do yeah and it's always nice see Amanda macros by the very soft spot for a lot of people you can any are honest admit to having more than a soft spot for her she's really gorgeous and the home center for a long time and anything so is there any of the despair and nice her character really just comes by accident Mallory has somebody he recognizes her and knows her goals thanks and kind to each other having survived terrible things she asks here their children and they themselves saying I'm boy girl I'm Mullery says well actually your name is Tom and your name is Cynthia button doesn't actually teller after your mother the issue is a bit high given the complete yeah we know that it's simpler and it's no point as the doctor goes did you have twins I remember seeing what on the sonogram yeah but you think six years and all of the trauma they've been very hard to remember but you never know maybe they wait if your life has been so small and concentrated the sign track I think it's worth talking about it because it's Trent Reznor and Atticus something so there's a bit of a nine inch nails flavor cherry pickers Ross sign track yes corporate they scored the social network second twenty eighteen and the girl with dragon tattoo as well twenty fifteen so Ross is now just a member of Nine Inch Nails and Ross is British yeah it was great sound design around the fact that when the creatures in the area that presence is not just indicated by this prevents roads from Terry and you pronounce his first name because he is best known from midnight to one of these creatures whatever they are whenever around of course that prisons indicates visually by shadows leaves floating upwards and the wind blowing but we need something old tree as well and that presence is represented by them whispering lots of voices like they're reaching out thank you please the people people their hearing the voices of the mother because that's the thing with John Malkovich's characters Douglas's wife is near is it her mother she keeps hearing when she sees the same and it's as if her mother's calling her to the other side to come and be with her and that happens to Mallory shears Tom's voice the children here Valery's voice it tries to trick the children such as sinister moment it tries to trick the children when they fall lost each other your obesity conceived notion a run through forest she had a really bad fall and they'll get separated its divide and conquer the creatures try that get the children to take their blindfolds off by using Mallory's voice saying is you can take your final thoughts we're going just never take the however she wanted one which we would want to in that situation comes thanks and she's yelling that no this is my voice don't take them off and they find each other and the voice says that the girls scared of her because there's just the memories of her telling them off quite firmly before and she has to express how much she loves them she does she really doesn't mean it's evident she's kept them alive for six years and the strenuous circumstances from the parenting they've hired Mallory these kids are going to grow up with the most horrendous psychological scars just from the journeys I learned that if I had to take to get around these Janice have been undertaken with Mallory shouting at me and talk to him about what it must've been training and drilling them this is a world of terror it's usually scenes of she's in a garden with them they're topping stones together because she's teaching them about a high sign reverberates basically using sonar sonically preparation for them to learn how close they are to an object's river when we watch the book of Eli apparently there was clear off to clear off to clear and that that the main character is blind and uses echolocation to make his way around he makes clicking noises with his tongue to do occur location I missed that completely until Israel maybe that life as kids is they just lose their childhood friends from those things that it's going to get the average here it's really want specifically Mallory to survive because of the characters in the film where it quite correctly to each other and so for them to get a million to get service I did it's a bad thing but it's not as bad as it would be for characters like Mallory but with Mallory and two kids the impetus in average viewers mind wish them along to it whatever it is that going on this river Johnny is really strong it's not just something will kill these kids is that something will get these kids to express a psychological condition which kids should never experience if there's one thing which is quite clearly and coded reference to pedophilia that's probably a good candidate isn't it is giving the story a principle of Asians that get even the kids to express the wish to kill themselves Sir it's powerful stuff for yeah how willing it is to go to dark places and that's when the light place at the end is going to get I was just thinking as well thanks to talk sure she's safe and maps on the ground mmhm at the hospital but also if you think about it it's a way of saying the signed it was over so it makes sense then that she returns airlines because she's someone who's an expert in saying the signs whatever way what she managed to survive maybe through luck she was symbolic in down town you've been listening to audio visual cultures with me polar bear and Andriy she'll the music is common ground by Ericsson licensed under creative Commons noncommercial three point zero occupation can be downloaded from CC mixed or don't work if you're able to help cover costs please donate via liver pate dot com forward slash PP a plier or PayPal dot me forward slash PP a buyer I can't manage to pay for hosting just nice so only the latest episodes will appear on this thing apps however the fill back catalog is in a playlist on my you tube channel if you search for P. 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