Audiovisual Cultures episode 58 – The Rise of Skywalker (or Episode LVIII: The Return of Shail) automated transcript

it's your choice what they wanna do it or not justice John Williams as a other strategic vision is twenty seven dollars Michael he hello and welcome to your audio visual cultures the podcast exploring arts and cultural production I'm Paula prior and I'm joined this time by doctor Andriy shield to talk about Star Wars episode nine the rise of sky Walker directed by J. J. Abrams and released in twenty nineteen many thanks to members at Petri on dot com forward slash AP cultures for your continued and much appreciated support the podcast is free to access but not to make and distribute please do listen until the end to find out more ways to be part of artificial cultures for now I do enjoy the discussion what do we do on Boxing Day we had dinner and Jimmy went to St either ISIS guy Walker for the benefit of anybody who might be listening Hey maybe isn't a regular listener we did an episode quite awhile ago on solo CM just making it up in my leisure except the sale thirty to remain active solo a Star Wars story have also had spoken Harrison honest yes he is I think it's very safe to say as an axe birch and the Star Wars movie franchise and beyond that was seven seven forty two so I pull the player I'm not a Star Wars fan that to recap I really enjoyed rogue one as a standalone option may I thought it was largely done ready while and I really enjoyed two years ago the last Saturday and so those are respectively directed by Gareth Edwards and Brian Johnson and I just really enjoyed night sights it was written and directed by him that's when I recently as well those two have been the films I have most enjoyed and it was to have seem to be the films that have upset especially the shed I upset her Kerr finds the most you're more of a fun and Jerry yes but yeah I think it's safe to say that you've been a lifelong found yeah I mean away from having the first generation of the toys when I was a kid and there were two very distinct generations of the little figurines when I was a kid are the first generation ones through playing computer games played explained a lot in the nineties through really caring about the prequels to making this my priority as soon as we could get to a concert but roughly equal marriage about the French doors now he's been covered by carers leave burned up someone up in the right no I don't I think you've been very generous with me because I haven't carriage and off to remember a lot of stuff but honestly because night I've been seeing a lot of stuff on social media back a I mentioned read a review of the film for Cytonn sign wrestling gone are socialists because it's quite a useful read together the space but also her Twitter is reading useful because she's like quite a lot of discussions on the rise the sky Walker specifically because there are problems with the film there's been a lot of backlash I think from funds to I'm not fully up to speed I think reckons that if you're interested in the other area of from them but I think there was a major backlash from the last data because Ryan Johnson just check things and ready to it is something he made a really I saw a really fantastic action may pay paychecks %HESITATION what would have normally been ready martial characters in ready made something out of them so characters like rose she was my favorite character of the last Saturday and a lot of people who call themselves star responds he added her to the point where they were you saying Kelly Marie Tran's online but I just thought she was a really fantastic character and that's been one thing I didn't enjoy it bites rises sky Walker was hired that she uses she's rendered dying to I feel like when her character of the other characters have already progressed sayings but and her it's really backtracked because she's been demoted it fails to take justice mating on the plot character of but what are we gonna do me and %HESITATION but then still up there this is a bit of saying the protein just ahead of exposition and letting other characters no other characters have done then I thought made it on the receipt you know maybe a half a second to have her running her Rosicky towards something and it just wasn't enough that really bother me that much higher but anyway that's a whole other thing that I really like I suppose a lot of the rogue elements and lost out I that seems to have disappeared again and rises sky Walker but I quite enjoyed it I enjoyed sitting watching the film honestly I I felt the time go in I felt every minute we were sitting there were stretches sorry thought well this could make it a bit faster this screen writings a bit clunky here I felt like they were Paul elements that just could have been tightened up a lot more so you know it's sort of an review territory here but then again I feel like well it's a Hollywood action may face so there will be some of that and I think I've been watching a lot of really economical film and television lately so I noticed that I think a bit more when it feels a bit by Katie you know and things could have been cut in half and then yeah I appreciate it when it's really all the dead weight she can either something I really appreciate it I found myself from the moment the total group right to the moment when there and kind of started running I found myself oblivious of the time they have momentum it may one of being a turnover but I have no idea how long we were actually watching movie full right at least I have going for us at least right we're going to give it some stick now as you said on the way out it's not as good as the last January I didn't think so as I sit around it's really up there it is up there I mean that's the thing I suppose for media and contacts for my reception of it I didn't watch the original trilogy until quite recently that he saw in the last few years I've watched it so I was in my thirties I've gone through all my life and I had plans and never watch it I was never a priority for me to ever watch it I watched it because your major file and then you want to talk to with me and what sort of things so I went for it honestly when I watch does it help Elena is a lot closer than I had ever perceived ands a lot cooler than what I hear but Star Wars was mandated parity so that so there was a lot more complex than my perception of her from having not seen the film so that was nice others are not I repeat just didn't care I don't find them this taking memorable they're not maybe so whatever clamor to re watch fine of Donna then the trilogy in the nineteen nineties so come to manis and pedis at RAF bench of the sex symbol from the menace attack of the clones of injustices right so I never managed to what shows I did try when they came on TV but I find them her basically boring and I just couldn't get into them a tall boy there's a point about midway through the third one where it becomes clear that the whole point of these films is just to get the average viewer to a point where they can see off in the distance the original trilogy and service masses of people doing exposed to dialogue they expose your downloads in the miles of the wrong people that's really far fetched stuff stuff that's completely unmotivated it's all just to do with what this is going to bring about what's going to be off the month with this person interesting bits in the first of the trilogy made without considering what with their key elements of the original that would need to be but what we've just seen was a trilogy made with really close sorry from the original trilogy almost as if it was trying to distract us from the existence of the prequel I was thinking during the final battle in this one and we are going to give away plot moments that we are close for this because this is what happens but we're gonna give employment during the climactic battle where the emperor is just sitting there watching this very one sided battle which it looks like it's nearly over and that the resistance going to lose and he's got the unwilling jet all right next to him who is trying to turn to the dark side I was trying to make kill him that was just essentially taken from the climax of the tenth of July is this this hi I've been every gentle corner kind of climax where the enemy is saying if you don't kill me then you lose this battle if you do kill me it'll turn you to the dark side and look and return the jet I just called to do anything there's no third option until I think it's unfair to give them a third option Sir it's you lose or you lose by would you because again this just ever so slightly changed where if in this one the empress gardens of the point where if you kill him he doesn't die he just is it just goes into more the power didn't seem to have any responsibility but that's the only change raised basically told you have to kill me and then I'll go in your body and will be yeah this turns out it's his granddaughter yes no I didn't see that coming that reveal was kind of a that raised competitions Randall certified public in some others no instruction of any kids of Palpatine in any of the right six the original three movies are in pretty cool so it was a bit of a surprise now that was something I needed to know about it because I had seen that because every time I went on social media and today got other sayings I just think I entered it and people were talking very openly about this so there was no supporter filter but I didn't know what it meant because I didn't really know who the amp for god so one thing would be to reopen today and one of the questions was what's the name of the emperor in original style was made sense you're asking me a question I spoke with you I would know if I if you'd ask me that question I would have been able to tell you and people are saying Palpatine bye I didn't necessarily know who that was that's the moment when he started keeping a secret from me well I didn't want to spoil the movie for you specially when I figured given that you are fun and people were saying it was a really big deal so I didn't wanna spoil that for you well next time thanks from you without your consent to get informed about something because it's that much to do that you don't want to tell me it was for the movie because knowing the plot doesn't support police that's the experiment I want to try because it might turn out that I got do you maybe B. C. there were discussions and I I don't know I go out and throws by these discussions that were happening on Twitter because I think a lot of people are upset because the whole point to buy it right before it was set she was nobody and that the message of the film this is that you could come from nothing and become something really special and I think emotionally that meant a lot for a lot of people that you didn't have to be descended from a specific line when it comes something in the last couple of minutes of the second season the last job I was this this little boy is working in a stable in this planet which is briefly seen for one scene and instead of picking up a broom he just comes for socks into his hands this hint of the whole new generation jet are about to emerge and it really doesn't matter whether parentage is this movie went knitting patterns thirty miles what parentage to the extent that as I was thinking through as we were selecting him it's important that your listeners know that we did not drive us figure this out because okay so in the form of Palpatine's this is somebody who at least according to cannon was from a very noble family on the bill was chancellor of the incompetence of number two and then made himself shall serve the entire collective Senate and the mains of emperor so this is somebody read status under the same terms of sort of a safe mode you know secretly he's six names Darth Sidious surveys descended from him so have parentage is what has given these powers and then with the character who thought the movie recalling color Rendon for part of the movie the cooling fan or gonna so he's being a general goes back to his great grandmother who is cold %HESITATION I think it's gonna work is moving because she was paid by not only Portman as that number come back another generation really %HESITATION you know you're safe just a little bit of a couple of pickles SMI Sri Sri Scott Walker's Aurora and she explains that when she had on the can scribe Walker it was a virgin birth it was like she was impregnated by the spirits give you just about and so it goes her give birth and the kid and the kids two kids are you can laugh and then the news was seemingly lies only kids and so these these two quite distinguished we can do magic lineages going on there and the session of that just seems to completely cancel out particulars is no no other person doing any full stuff apart from ray ban and the emperor in the entire film these people doing lots of martial arts stuff but there's nobody else doing full of stuff and I suppose that's in part because ray has to be completely alone %HESITATION actually saw it as late as a bitch and she she just does the little bit of for stuff and then dollars for me just last saturated that she reaches site to her son she distracts them long enough for ray to overcome him so in a way I don't know how you feel about that because she's hoping I'd better also implies that ray couldn't beat him alone yes ray was losing the fight yeah the fighting style will run for anything in these films is interesting because this course Samuli fighting style around the prequel that are in the original trilogy Jeff by the fighting style is what's gonna wave swords at the top in the very first one the light saber battle between can I be in South Asia it's just and by the third one is become bleak backdrop in maintenance by the prequels the front like samurai and then by this one isn't using the weapons like medieval foot so it's like a two hundred sold on you you were turning it around and using it so the pommel sticks a little behind in the sort of stuff that so I mean this is a great idea was well played from behind you and you can swing your arm around so late father yeah I'm not just saying a documentary once about medieval sword fighting instruction books and it showed that there was a new home for for medieval foot soldiers we do have these big two hundred swords was hating people with the pommel yeah rather than trying to slice things will poke things just knocking somebody really how to physically running off the palm of your weapon is probably more useful than using the black so there's lots of using all of the ends of the weapon so I have kind of been being awesome because he does that the way he fights it's kind of a drag he feel when he finds his the somebody's pushing against something this was not part of this link the motif there's this one scene where engine but cautious pushing her over the stormtroopers and Kylo ren is the one who is able to withstand it and then of course finally he when he says Rick decides to stop being cholera and a combined organised so again that is him finally pushing so hard against the forces that have been shaping here is that he takes back his original nineteen it's detailed in that sense that the physical injury does fit with them character's motives and circumstances I don't I suppose detail overruled his reverie fundamental part of doing a Star Wars film yeah I cannot remember who did this I think it might have been Tom shone in his book blockbuster but that's I guess I remember reading somewhere someone saying that one of the distinguishing characteristics of the original Star Wars film that was just constables was garbage this is a universe that was old that I had a waste processing industry and lots of different waste processing industries and where characters would have to Wade through garbage to get the job done and it happens the drugs at the beginning they become refuse they get knee deep in garbage on the little jar were saying and then the card as they try and get into a garbage compactors on the death star and serves a global G. sci fi universe a world away a from a space Odyssey that definitely has been a part of this new trilogy of sequels this is a universe which is full of stuff people's lives about wreckage and of course history and backstory and there's lots of stuff just lying around and fight when characters of pushing aside stuff for the fifth time in the film and I got all of that is an interesting bit of stuff then and they kind of push a button that then becomes the most relevant bits of stuff for the rest of the film and in this case it was a little tiny droid that turned out to be a really relevant because of snow he does have that kind of what we missed the first noticed a bit of stuff as relevant what about a hundred things they didn't look closely on the way to go and do this that's one of the things that we have to acknowledge we do tend to listen to my concern because a lot of things that mark pointed out as being something going computer game me about this firmware people try to find objects in but the one I have a friend of OJ I have to go and find another object so that as this treasure quest thing going on but where the objects are really unlikely the quite absurd what you get with the object is not really worth it there's just an ordinance of how objects into people's quests are in this and in both the force awakens and the rise of Scott Walker it did strike me as odd that the object they will often bugs was an object that would show you the way to somewhere it was a map fragment in the force awakens and it was a thing called a white finder in runs scored Walker about two thirds of the film was spent with ray and companies it's a treasure map is now looking for a treasure map which just shows you where promises and then won the one she's off dress gets destroyed and %HESITATION a failed shouldn't just make somebody else's and does it anyway that's a rendering most of what she does the last hour of screen time doing pointless but it does seem quite strange paperwork from risking their lives in this constant efforts to try to find a much rather than you know find some sort of crystal the powers and weapons you can use to defend themselves nothing like that is just as the crew of people trying to find a map without any knowledge that when they find them off and then followed the map to where they would need to go to that wall then looking for will be it's just that's the last place we saw this person and so close though still be that those if you're waiting for us for thirty years and just things the existence of what was it the clue that by firms to where the money was being held the clue was a map to the map that Kay was a daca which had us a little crosscut with little things the compiler of course got that would show you things from certain three five yeah it turning night that it was the silhouette of the broken off death star Mona had landed on a planet I mean first of all was in the tester the size of a planet and the second level this is the but it says something about its are smaller than some main forbidden actually in the this is the stuff in the press on the Jetta the emperor refers to endorse as the century mood he goes a moon it seems to be orbiting a big planet going around the sun in the system so it may be actually the endo wasn't the main planet intelligent art and does just the moon going around the planet because I'm sitting there going oh the compact rental is going to be evokes but not directly on the I think they're on the planet around which the moon of indoor century moon orbits if I remember correctly yeah that didn't make the best awesome like a tiny little house the end of washed up on the beach but also she perfect let's see exacts LOL of the wreckage but that happened a long time before they got there surely it would have broken up former yes he is it seems like the whole reason should you stuff that happened ten years beforehand in some cases it seems like it happened a hundred years before that was really on K. one way Gentilly east turns up in the climactic battle played by the guy who originally played by gentle flow on I didn't notice and you pointed out we can't use it but I recognize Stanislaw and I thought well he's obviously been and the original ones at least we have learned the Caribbean as well so people human lifespans people who are supposed to I have lived through the original events and so it's actually as long ago as the release of the original films was for us that's effectively the way it works is if you can continue to use these same people it has to be back on the ground so that the death star has been lying in the ocean on the planet for thirty five years which is a long time specially if you're on a planet where there are people hate her escaped storm troopers people have been and save the children to grow up as stormtroopers and they the skips and they're living on this place as scavengers she surely they have broken it up to the point where we can be that she I mean the C. that is the main using that was a rough you say I'm sure that that thing in bed it was a character that see I cannot find the name of the character who is the ex stormtrooper team member and I'm looking to %HESITATION cost list which contains a bucket load of stuff because you know it's every office %HESITATION I know when I say she's quite far it to the top so he has to have a security barrier please don't say send felt more like a cameo this time he was sent out so low I felt like a boy quite a few people what this was and it was working reprising his original one of the many times he made chains they spend it with different people as million Star Wars toys that seem to be a replacement for rose and Finn's affection I know %HESITATION yeah because she was of recent African origin it seemed to visit to be three saying this is the thing should be John Boyega rich little questions and that Landau as Dylan Haley talks are the ends hi she said I don't know where it came from originally he says well that's fine I it's Naomi aqui playing China yeah Mr you see basically replaces rose yeah I thought I was the beneficiary and I like it because it's Janice character is great but it's just rose was also really great it and it just felt that yeah there was such a strong connection between Rosen fan and the last Saturday %HESITATION she saves his life and they're really emotional about it and they build up a bit of a year because they have a they they begin with an antagonistic relationship very quickly becomes a friendship you know whether to eat with each other and they rip each other but mostly here to him you know and she's so efficient at her job she'd order her rule and last Saturday you know it's it's Shonda light on the lesser jobs I'm saying that in scare quotes because these are already important things that need to be done you know because she's protecting the ship from deserters the date with these people she's trying to maintain this order and she has pro sass and these are important things today yeah I just felt like the functions of her are just really picked by the way side again and it was a shame because even the resistance needs administrators and you know people who are on the ball and just making sure they're the orders caps there were plenty of notice to the general administrative crew of the resistance including quite extensive seeing when people are getting in ships to go off to this big climactic battle where it was clear that there was lots of people have been working together for years and months of my findings yeah they made it pretty clear that there's lots of friendships and relationships of all kinds from them because when they get back with lots of hiking as well and that's where they have the same sex kiss yeah that was pretty in which the Singaporean market has not seen you know it's understandable that distribution companies go all right so the classification people in that country would give it this racing we have a choice to make do we just accept that rating but we can sit together low one and then my wife in the market this can get to win that exactly as a company do some something terrible if we want to make a profit in the market to to %HESITATION we basically have to go for the low rating so they know that the husband forced but it's should be being forced in the first letter fails the fat like thrown a certain community under the bus because redress is need to make a stand and say this is something normal and this needs to be come to a point where we're not fighting an eyelid anymore and it treated it like that in the shelves because it wasn't a big focus it's a double edged sword is not there's not a huge amount of K. C. business and Star Wars anyway so this phone has a lot of it compared to a lot of the other films because it does have quite a climactic moment by ray and ban %HESITATION so if they don't kiss on there's going to be so much tension both of them or just die from tension so what they did us all okay fine that's good someone's case someone finally has a whole lot of people not kissing and and really tense moments and this strategy but then he don't he's because he's just given has what's left of his life first to her it was either them Cassidy di as she you don't think you go back and forth for effort just giving each other %HESITATION I forge and somebody may as I live she decides to go with that like rose on that day of reckoning but it was a really nice moment on its between Terry again raise three small characters and it's a mixed race relationship as well as a clear relationship these two women so one of them is the pilot is paid by Annette Robinson we've also just seen us merry Christiansen the baby's face for every sense a Christmas Carol adaptation which is a whole other thing to talk about it she since medical stuff she's also quite importantly I think she was Rosa Parks and Dr Hey I don't think you've seen not when you access said Judy Whittaker one circuit so that's pretty significant and then I can't remember the other actresses name but she's been in loads of British stuff as well so they're quite far away and it's something that it's not as a middle ground but you call it because it's not really far away but not before a grand I either it's not focused on it's also this is part of a sequence right or showing everybody related stuff survived paper they're grazing but they're celebrating because against all odds save one there's happiness or celebration as part of my love that and it's very clearly a romantic case it's very clear these are people who have been in a relationship for a long time and there's a lot of relief and so it was small and it was so awful and I liked it because it just felt normal and it felt like not a big thing but as well as that we don't get enough of that sort of relationship being a big thing in being central so I don't may I suppose there's just options to be had by it's a made in the right direction you mentioned earlier that it reminded you of a lost episode of season first it just happens in the background yeah and no one considers it to be this radical thing no one needs to reset the consciousness is about it's just normal for the character yes a marriage proposal in a same sex relationship and it's quite blurred focus because there's a whole other story is with the main characters in the four grind but it also communicates and I think this recent sorry strategy has done that really well I communicates that holds a small characters so the non important non focal characters they have flights they have stuff going on they have stuff that that character yet Brian Simitis people interestingly in that climactic battle where it's revealed that the emperor has been re growing himself in any body from self in the bounds of this vast structure implement colds was it X. zero X. ago or something exactly its review that is a massive audience but his face is this huge auditorium and there are terms packed with people wearing black robes but at no point do you see any bodies faces and then when they advertise the price starts to collapse and they seem to just %HESITATION instantly get killed by falling statues but was it offers its of a face full collective member had a collective Bollington but it was one of my is opened clones of him thank well kitted famous because that's what you can speculate this is very classic American psyche stuff where American cultures okay with collectives as long as as collectives contain highly individualized rather than being collective swept the differences between people are outweighed by the similarities how America does collectivism and hauntingly compromised going for just looking through the the order of events and this gives them just wanted to get in my mind you know what with the stages in this quest I started off with quite a small chase sequence the kind of opening we're going to get a bit of information from a debate and then that set up the beginning of a quest and then up along the way with that crisis there was spying today when I was sneaking around today there's also a few small conflicts today and then was an injury that was Brady's gradual awakening constant banter between her and Kylo ren three men face time connection there was nobody should become a material connection now which is interesting that things can get socks through these encounters between them including by the comic to battle a lightsaber I do wonder boys ratings into this climactic battle with two light sabers she's only got one last spring yeah two super because given her lightsaber taps we were genuinely being expected to figure that one out a few seconds before the characteristic of how right he needs to give color ran her light saber through that connection and that means she'll have both of them as well to the emperor because you're you need to right so it was it seems to probably resist someone who's calling you with finger lightning that but what is sucking flies out of them the way that they indicated that visually was quite interesting because you get the Kerr just continues lightning but it would have been clear that he was taking more than giving so they have it it was he's come a long ways that seem to change the outlines of their bodies took a while for spring break was fine this is fine enough to fight back because he likes it but when we look at the whole pool stages the sketch of the entire film yeah I kind of really standard ramping up of tensions plot arc when you start off with a small tension moment bit of chase pursuit come down from that and then you have a small action sequence which is the woman there was little speed is being changed by cars and bikes and then things go brand request gets complicated that and then there's another action sequence involving escaping because there's always somebody escape capture someone has to be freed and then a little later on the slightly bigger action sequence so that was the fight between Rey and Kylo ren on the wreckage of the desktop and then that leads up to the fost climactic third action sequence which is a huge space battle which is nothing above the surface of the planet and that has to get to a point where it looks like all is lost and then covering arrives led by Linda and at the same time another battle has to be going on because that's a big battle out that it's just too much for us but for that for my kids too impersonal so I have to have a personal battle going on as well which was the right for assistance with color until the last minute battle that is virtually identical to the plot of the tenth of January and it's virtually identical to the model of how an action film goes these days I don't really mostly formulaic doesn't mean that hi they just for a reason thanks for film functions load loads of elements of it were done in ways that I haven't seen done before you know because it's virtually impossible to do anything that's entirely new the newness is and where you apply an existing phone who ray was that was a surprise I don't cut around turned back into Bennell gonna Sutherland was a surprise but with the final battle in space was one that was a bit of a surprise as well so those things you can do those little bit signal folks weighs in on the whole no one's gonna walk out coming soon after before overruled that was a really solid my Darling it was fine prints I think so anyway that was really solid piece of filmmaking with no moment rifle I am just seeing a computer game and I mean I'm a little sense of I'm not going on that's just a computer generated objects or cartoon varmint things have wait things had dirt on them things had a Nash %HESITATION there was dust in the afternoon hours the VFX people from working on activities near the ditch the fact people are working on it Kelly for years I've lost count of the number of different companies that were given various jobs I was really detailed a solitary reporting I you know I noticed service attacks department so the river loaded there is a team of people working on the on taps and the image and then CTI they were trying to make it as real as possible and I think it is inching the way they did there is a precedent for this and are there movies for that at the young Vic and I have when he was training her as a Saturday as quite sure it saying and they did it in the dark so that had just take some of the edge off the computer yeah less of their faith both just looked like it looked like a cut scene from a computer game so yeah that moment yeah especially laser space Carrie Fisher's safe it was a bit like when they mock shura and broke one of the very hands of spectacles clearly could be I mean it's really great but still it's very clearly a computer generated face it's not a real person's photographed faith yeah that was probably the only moment ready check me out of it for a second video you can see why the data and it's it was an important thing yeah I want to know so much more about the jobs are a part of Lehrer is it feels like there's a real gap there there's a really interesting spin off some of the %HESITATION if people would accept somebody else playing idea than they would be really interesting thing race tested it because she does jet I training she clearly had the force and there were big plans for layer before Carrie Fisher died H. her death is actually she these items and to what they've become that moment speaking about the way that the real life circumstances of impact on the content of the fictional stories based in fact that moment where Kylo ren stroke band seems to be visited by the ghost of and survive that was minutes after his mom just died so he was no we're not any surviving parents and at that moment for anyone to bring him back to who he was before he became caught around it seems absolutely hopeless that it might be a surviving family member because basically there's no one that is the lost about bloodlines sire it seems that what the solution is come up with laws well okay Sir can I. Fisher died so condoning back with maybe having hope goes to come and do it maybe we could see G. a ghost from her but then someone seems to have gone well so we just have someone who is in real life the life the the ghost of somebody who in the story spaces that show we just garrison forward to come and have a father son chat with him and it was one of the great things where character comes in has chat with a living character and then goes but what do I know I'm just a figment of your imagination what are you going to I just live in your head the implication is what you mean just live in my head you know it's a really important thing seven just having Harrison Ford in that you seem to be known as one of okay we killed this character off but it really would be good to have us a living parent for this character now and we kinda killed off the wrong character when we got our hands are well let's just bring it back into the asking for more but it felt way prices sky Walker in general the repairman and as many cameos as possible so it would have felt like he was messing if he hadn't been there in some way yes that moment where raise quests to hear the voices of the general area following the success of this just a minute and many to keep up with I thought it was the voice of the voice of the voice someone who was a judge just saying Jeff I trusted you and it was women's voices in that and I thought what we've got here is actually going to use the voices from the earlier films but I think they're also going to be using voices from the clone wars TV series from lots of styles media that neither you nor I have seen the house listing okay what did I do I actually know the voices of and Hayden Christensen's once was in their apparently your mother's voice was in there as well as laws and again this is voice as was the masons but I didn't have any of them geode and of course McConnell's within the hour but looking at this list on there it was roughly ten different people who were in that as the throng of July so yeah one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven of them as the forces of everyone who's been agenda and then stumbles universe I was one of those moments for thought I need to go back and watch this film had detail was very strong I'm at this from but couldn't be more fun like the prequels pickles really squeaky clean and really cut down Pat back and minimalist the thing that keeps coming to mind is when the gun guns go up against the droids in this big land battle and it just happens in a completely green field without any trees around even at the point when the going gets a losing in this place both going everywhere it's really clean everything's shiny in his new stuff flying around the battle gets messy one of these kind of droid tanks killed over on its side and calms a big hole in the ground but still has no stuff falling upon two people falling over in of so little of that and this just brought it back to the original this is a a universe with history and with white and white it is possible for things to get ridiculously mexicanas presents when we wish to showcase that you can do you your CG well because if you create an environment where something very huge hit something else right here's and starts to break up into thousands of tiny fragments what you're insuring is that you've got the processing power to computer generate thousands of tiny fragments and to calculate how are they going to move how they're going to explode from the impact point the point was that was really clear was when one of those new generation star destroyers was falling into the ice on the surface of this planet and so the star destroyer was disintegrating and the ice was fragmenting into big pieces as well as bit show offy in places but you know if you got that spans I felt that there were some call backs and the cinematography and editing so the like surface wipes yeah and I felt like there was Ackerson sentiment okay it just there were moments where I felt like the regional trilogy where they had done to some of the framing of characters hit the road for the distance or something the way they were walking Shane from behind off in the distance the McCormick one was ready standing silhouetted against the twenty yeah yeah this is something which is automatically advertised by the existence of films that are loved by millions and so given that your audience is gonna have so many of those people who are aware of the union it's a franchise in it it's in your interest to constantly signal during these new films that you're paying homage to the originals that means then that the entire film the risks just becoming an almost eerily affirms rather than something new but I think that was balanced quite well no I think they're very much their own and third rather bent her knee what do you think they're aware that they're speaking to you to pass ordinances for their %HESITATION speaking junior dances that are going to come because they're smaller kids night he will be old enough movie to see and understand the sounds are going to see them when they come on television and they're going to fall in love with them the way you fell in love with the original ones when you read that age she GT forty four is all going to happen all over again let's remove ourselves from the storage space did you notice the demographic of our fellow cinemagoers who shamelessly take our them they made it difficult I think there is quite a lot of older people and there was a young ones we have a J. age was forty there are some families and not young young kids but ten above something extra spectrum's out this to be primarily attracting the young adult market so the sixteen to twenty five each market but this is automatically because it's such a close adherence to the original missiles it's attracting an audience which is much stronger in the fourth stronger in people who are going to the cinema twenty thirty years ago on a new franchise with this kind of content those kind of reminded of when I went to go and see the best exotic marigold hotel I want to see that in a packed auditorium single seat missing on MT on the average range for the audience for that was sixty they have been sold to people who were retired and so I felt ridiculously young and that all the time but I can understand why in this case I was quite surprised that there were so few people who were in the young adult bracket husband night early so and his Boxing Day yeah because very few people are going to go to the cinema anyway most people are shopping today we walked past the city center and I was even in people have massive box of stuff but again that's a whole other story but you have to mean the sentiment was fairly busy there was a lot of people in that bar shin that cafe and stuff yeah I suppose I was expecting it to be near enough so that but it has been out for a week and the refugees server it's been really scary to me nice so I don't know he posted by so and whether somebody had paid off the graphics for the rotten tomatoes scores so far and the critics one is really low where is the fun one is pretty high for approval so I don't know how much the general public are influenced by reviews I think there's other stuff I added the Minuteman I quite like to see Greta Gerwig's version of the %HESITATION and then at some point sharpens thank I think so yeah seventeen nineteen seventeen seems like a big deal and there's been certain anything else let me expose last Christmas people were really how merge but people seem to really like send it seems to have been I found that people have been going to see regardless of Thursday's eight interesting thing about going to cinema this time here in March I'm gonna call mid winter fast Americans and Canadians quite widely go to the cinema on midwinter fest day here there's no cinema in the country I don't think so no tickets just go straight on zero on that day because its construction that you know why would anyone work on that day you know a few pubs and restaurants are open about it public transport is not working it's normally accepted people are going to be I have wires what we did today as well a lot of Americans and Canadians to yesterday it's one of the reasons why this is why films get released in the run up to Christmas stores so they have their first opening weekend well before yeah mostly because it's just like the holiday season but also partially because the cinemas do remain open throughout the holiday in the US and Canada where is here there is these pirates of from the no one's going to be one eight just clinging on to having one day off a year for most people yeah it's getting encroached upon all the time it's a sort of a release where cinemas were doing the first screening of it at midnight the day of its release I mean we decided to set up an art heist cinematic that we like to support rather than an omni plaques which were showing it you know almost constantly on several screens so maybe that's why our screening was quiet as people they're going to say say it and because yeah we decided to sit back because it's been two days but this is not just a three day or an IMAX experience you can do the forty acts thing whatever it is maven safe from the wind in your face %HESITATION the three day and stuff front of the screen was not too far away it was like a quarter full listening when we were in the front row of the night and made it behind a quick peek yeah baby food that was probably good because there wasn't chatting there is a lot of chatting and understandably there was a couple of moments when good things happen when you get here everyone in the room go well no that's okay that's fine yeah was talking no that's unacceptable from the chapter in the film Axact double shot up other people can hear you and that's really distracting parts are harder to access you shut UP let's hope it's me off going the cinema told me sorry I mean I don't really have enough money to go regularly now as I get it as I'd like but that's probably the main thing the size as I can't remember the last time I went to the cinema and just people side and watch the film but let's begin the push back right now I've heard people attempt to push back by simply saying I'm going to push back on that not that's not pushing back that's just saying what you're doing actually do it this I would push back our fellow humans who listen to this I mean are you are when you communicate with somebody on a touch screen device you doing so with your thumbs your communicating silently and that is made it so that we're all accustomed to constantly communicating no matter what environment where it because we can do so silently small downside to that is that when we don't have a touch screen device with us with much more inclined because we're in the habit of communicating no matter how sonic environment is going to have a communicating on the lesson so we seemed poignantly to be much more inclined to whisper or just to talk about to the person next to us in a similar situation or indeed any university lecture and we are all really ready and knowing other humans when we do this so we need to stop and actually think about whether the environment when it is one where talking is appropriate because your instinct that makes you whisper suggests that it's not appropriate environment yeah just post notes on can you just please stop talking please stop talking films stop talking interactions because other people may just crack and kill you and it will be their fault that they care would you but you will also be dead I'm not going to pay for may of deserve to he does yeah I think it's just it's not okay that's I mean it really affects my mental wellbeing apartment ng else because they just can't stand the space find that here when you hear it over I really like Salem that was the same person you go super human hearing right but also current credit right but the fact that it was loud meant that I can hear the people behind the stalking at some of the quieter moments I could hear it almost constantly I wasn't necessarily the same people that was I could hear from different parts of the Tory M. but it was sad or at least fifty pockets and I just feel that when the baby after C. certification screen comes on there should be dead silence everything should stop you should stop breathing at that point when the screen comes on the film has started shocked up stop facing pockets noted okay their own ritual elements to a visit to the cinema that distinguish it from watching the film even on the most elaborate home cinema system and this two very important elements in it in my humble opinion I can't exactly the first one is that you go through some sort of portal Saturday's usually a two door system to get into most cinemas in that as a in the door to the card %HESITATION and then there's the entrance way of some kind into the main auditorium so you go through some sort of vestibule area but I think it's quite important to growing I am now in a space with very specific arrangements on the second element is that BBFC caught a baby actually kind of because its primary function is just to say okay just so you know this is the rating a film you have paid to see last chance to leave the room because this is what kind of content you got yeah but it also has the other function of going you know less trailers in advance that it was completely fine to talk over those have now finished so zip it everyone can area it's a moment of silence you can be heard by everyone just four minutes yeah if you can hear rating right noises the light noises need to stop because the film is starting I mean it's just read anyway but he knows the music's gonna start he knows I I comic sign tracks gonna come on and as we learned because we %HESITATION recently lesson tame and apposite ADS Bowman sign tracking part cast from a couple years ago that she did with Ryan Johnson a fight last Saturday we learn from that certainly this because we know the this is listening but we do have a death we know from Ryan Johnson that John Williams re record Cisco or every time it has been a new recording of it and if you listen carefully and they did play sequences from Matt backs back from different films there are slight differences he doesn't change no turning video change what part of the orchestra's being emphasized he might change the tempo site they he might give it more of a March failed he might give it more of a bottle failed he might give it a softer feel depending on the tone of the film in terms of artistic creativity that's amazing ad with a box of limitations is that you have to play the same piece of music you come very or not nonetheless even occasionally smokes imitations this variability permissible within that it's not something that I was conscious of but I wasn't conscious of it you know I was unconsciously aware of it the difference is exposed just over on the side of the audio I find the sign design really fascinating me we've already talked about those layered fully says you know you were saying it was box of that dirty gritty sort of world I felt like that was coming through in the signed as while things were clunky things are scratchy things had weight because of the signs gave them where it was really busy so yeah congressman hunter when the very last few seconds of the film when ray goes to tend to lean for some reason to go and see where look up the very the right savers and she's coming in I think that even though she's coming around is just an establishing shot of transmissions in general as one of them goes the ways of things like when a big gun ownership %HESITATION it's not what you would hear in space it's not even what we heard in the original trilogy there's a real boom behind yeah you can feel the vibrations of that this is something that's quite on massive technological event this is really big just the Ghana an X. wing fighter for example fine but that's quite a big thing it's critical to as well I think in the resistance forces get gone on capital ship they know the flagship of the enemy fleet when they get a government in the get a finite that's come on deck of the ship that was a really big bass sounds that come from yeah the detailed visually and sonically that's one of his real strength and I think that androids are may eighth months under the %HESITATION beeping noises are communicative noise says there's so much emotion from RJ when I add dice thank god may I was nearly away I thought one did you cry I nearly was with Jay I agree and they had to fight hard not to just cry and she was really distraught yeah you could really feel the grief and that for him how tall is what we think of his original Craig I mean he's had a long life he had a life before you ever met hun he's in the prequels yes I'm lucky soldier he's up against of external unfolding conceivable and they decide as these over two hundred fifty Hey yeah there is a lot of his backstory and solo as well I hate that impress ends and they team up and so he's had this really long life but these people have become as family and they're all day at night but he's got this whole big new family so he is he was out of it but he the grace comes to have my actually it's not through any of the humanoid characters but through him and some of the most emotive of the great from her death the RTA the way he reacts it and also the way he reacts when C. three PO has had his memory wiped and they're basically having a fight I need to remember me you know he's having a bit of a crop of talk about it you know he's really he's really a motive for the signs and this basements and everything you've learned to communicate group reported an easy release of emotion to make concerts for you know and then we've got this new little robot as it does %HESITATION go voice my Jerry Jerry rooms it's almost like somebody went what's the cutest stupid little robot we can understand everything that was was five of them to just look stupid and sell toys I know I'm I think it's basically just a week he's really squeaky when they find him and rail some silly thoughts became RNC's Ronna nobody is actually run in circles around baby it concern you don't it was the young whipper snapper you would run circles around us yeah and maybe it could be enough nine party because right now the question Turner trained on the rain became this really powerful figure who could accidentally destroy things in common problem part of this film I think because it was the way the show that she was becoming extremely badass Jetta and I'm also going to be implied that her ancestry might be a bit maligned yeah there might be something and her but then it's the neon so we all have Venice municipal break the Greek myths rarely it's these god like figures are based on our own feelings our own complexities exposes the better way of putting it we all have it in us to go a bit too far to not know her own strength to the ship it to a hard especially when were angered by something or really upset because actually she would have been able to know that she could do that F. kinda ran as the as the time haven't pastor today he deliberately paster I need that she beat the strada thanking that she killed GA when actually cheese safe somewhere else the system presents he'd knowingly caused her to feel that pain and to blame herself for the violent death of his friend the lightning coming out of ray's fingers that was very ominous yeah as far as the other guy who I think I know who she's related okay she's got that part then as well and it's about controlling it we haven't really talked to by hello I don't really like po one of his character's purpose seems to be to have somebody who gets put in control he shouldn't make just about got what it takes to not get everyone killed but he's not the kind of person who ought to be in command and so when he's finally in command people calling out to him for %HESITATION Disney's going you just don't die a woman to his character I think was interesting and for a lot of the time he's just this source of burn to who's slightly panicky sunny Cheryl T. about the ordinance of the situation the bit near the end where everyone smoking everyone more with the phones hugging everyone and his love interest appears in as a bit of fake knowledge mint and he seems to suggest with his eyes will show we spoke to and she discussed enough it was a useful thing to use is characterful I haven't been this cultural charismatic military character who's just told at certain points in the film no this functions these characters serving there but he's also Quarrington knowing he's the new hand servers nuisance if the French are they suppose to be coke shore lovable process the scrimmages have decided we don't love cultural currents it's everybody in so much danger and the last January they won't follow orders I can never remember the name of Laura Dern's character she's in charge Manish by several something she sacrifices herself she stays in the chef to member yeah %HESITATION no I don't remember consciously you when we keep pedia taking hold of there's a whole thing right she knows the right something she feels the best thing is not to disclose that I think it's in their phone number right there's a bit of leakage of information there's spies double agents that sort of thing where she has to be really careful about who she communicates things take yes po just doesn't trust her judgment and does his own thing anyway and it's a mall and a lot of danger yes was was this is this is this character who is a weapon for others to wield and in this film he becomes basically in charge when it's we've been made really clear by the previous number you shouldn't feel that way %HESITATION out actually the fox and the decision so I don't know if that's on J. J. Abrams on the other screen writer and office spaces where the van to get the desperation of the resistance is under the people who should be in middle management to suddenly in charge of the corporation like there's going to be other characters that are more senior Mirando has said that he's not going to get and the feeling very pretty does something Regis turns up anyway any room in which a character is on us to join the conference now I'm too old for this that's the problem for when they will go and see my isn't nori the person who pulled once the baby has seven tracks but she's clearly know and trust says well she is a bad but now she's wary of him and it turns out that I don't know how to say that it turns out that he seems to have been a drug runner something spice isn't name for drugs in the storage space and what's the name zero bliss I think many Syracuse was one of those where she's covered so much of the time surely that's a body double most of the time I thought that a bit of a husband drivers while because he's got that the other like my skull other times hello hi Mister Saddam drive on the second screen and he thought a lot of films I this past year the guy they can't afford to have after cyclone around when you can't even see their faces so just kind of a body to Auckland I want to know more about the knights of ren yeah six or so followers of Connor ran unless tenant street bodyguards you know unnecessary bodyguards who do a few things for him during the pursuit ray and company and the doing things form just seems to involve walking around they don't do any finding anyone %HESITATION capture anyone for the different voting the captured you back about server just standing around and then color and strict and finds that he has to fight them to get to the emperor so they're only function is just to provide some people for him to find and that's it people who initially and is off to it mentally get sort of a lightsaber I'm sure there was story that that justice institute yeah it's time I felt like the thing with Gianna dissension the way she and Finn find each other because it turns out that she and all her crazy are these former almost child soldiers sent away for my first order stormtroopers yeah all mutinied as one which is an interesting bit of collective action for a film that's really reluctantly collectivist she says we'll just as one decided not to follow orders one day we were told to execute some prisoners emerged civilians she said yeah I was specifically when I was there to execute civilians unless not high it happened with fans he was being told to shoot people and here's felt like these people have done nothing I wonder how you deliberate it is that every show I thought anyway because John Boyega I mean he's British but he's playing in America you know somebody with an American accent so %HESITATION it comes across that he's African American it comes across that Java is African American yeah and these are people who have no rate so I don't know their rights because they're descended from people who were taken as slaves but a conversation with mondo he does know where he's from so it seems like he's an African person yes Jenner to Maine so he knows where he's come from he knows his home and they don't know their home safe the company's non people and they've been given these names that are the names given to them by their owner so yeah the allusion to the African slave trade is really strong also that was a point where there was some indication of another sequel he had to rely on their own German going going over you have no way of entry because they were sent on the way home the resistance and ready thank god three were older adventures going to come from not they fix everything they've quashed the order where do they go from here in Maine how do they do they establish the society whether they're due for tax so it's going to happen because I spend their whole life for such a long time remember to make a prediction the original Star Wars film which of course was planned as a standalone phobia the original film it wasn't Cordova said for the time or just cool styles it came out in nineteen seventy seven which was the bicentenary okay but that person in America honestly adores reformatting symbolically the world yeah okay because there's no more morally justifiable positions taken war than one where you are fighting for freedom from an oppressive power yeah and it's free colonise %HESITATION force yeah in telling this the stories American fiction in whatever format gets to tidy up the pasta a little bit you know make it says that as in mount Gibson's patriot the evolution of slavery just round the corner about eighteen million two years away the technology behind Britain where the operation slavery is concerned so those are tactically tidying up the house that goes on so we can basically expects this to crop up a lot in American fiction I'm looking specifically at styles well before any of these sequel films were even print production the events immediately following the destruction of the second death star in return the Jetta they have been elaborated infection in the form of novels and comic books and computer games well before the end of the century and so I don't see read and believe in played through subsequent events subsequent conflicts and what basically happened in the thirty forty years immediately succeeding the events of the original trilogy is that the remnants of the empire Barton did together and became a new run which began to establish a new employee wasn't called the first order at the time but that was the basis for what became the first order okay the single person see what happened even before the early nineties invoke a brewery in the nineties was what happens when you defeat the employment we just about ten years later the empire will just come around to get controlling crush you under its big together essentially that's what's just happened in the whole trilogy read to say this what happens when you defeat the employment will this think of the first order arises it's some of the remnants of the empire it gradually grows again to become the emperor the emperor Valens he's not dead off to rule the empire is back again we're back to exactly where we were and we did all right and because what we're doing the job I did was basically just refinance it's a larger scale what happened at the end of the original Star Wars film so if you go original styles from then return of the Jedi yes I know that there was in the film industry leading up to return the device original styles from it reform the war of independence the original Star Wars trilogy it resort work independence this entire trilogy that we just had now it ready for the war of independence so I predict that the next trilogy we're going to get in the Star Wars franchise we'll refund the woman does that sound like reasonable as protection as well as the front choices for thanks partly re for the second World War there was a Star Wars film is it probably traumatized the Cold War as well so you know the M. evil empire was simple tensely the British Empire the third Reich and the Soviet Union cool controlled into one one or more of those is going to crop up against the ceiling of resistance a plucky resistance's scrappy mainly flying people but after complicates seems like that's the way it goes on yeah okay rogue one solo a Star Wars story they'll throw stuff in slightly different directions but the force unless that's been put to bed he was gonna crop again it's going to be on the lines of this is the thing that we use right and that the evil empire uses real detail with what happened with all the lights seevers of the sky Walker Tennessee expose fans three hedges and the ocean on the planet where they were where they looked at Star Wars yeah ray has Barry lainnya and lex to gather on the set top team oriented right which is mentioned because I of course didn't grow up there but then we find out if they're twins and a lot of ground was from I suppose that they both come to her and that ghostly vision as she staying at because she's become herself interesting ghostly version which is indistinguishable from a marriage dissertation at desert it's a safe bet governor blasting because it's that moment where this random woman has the random single woman laughed on a platter because it is run them single Hey has asked her who she is she hasn't seen anybody for a long time here are you I'm right and earlier in the film she has sat I'm just right I do have a family name night she rejects her actual family name and takes on the sky Walker family name because it feels like she's been a doctor's pilot can land but also %HESITATION maybe it's a bit like an implied marriage thing with bands there was just taken his name I was expecting her to just say yeah my name is ray property but name is not thirty anymore well yes you can change the name you can change within the mains kindly my number's called Bellaire for instance something that you do that of this was coming back to the founding thing I thank speaking as a non fine tune it was a fun movie to watch and motioning it take me with that a lot of the time the action sequences were from toxic their pets of the plot were so that could've gone through another one or two adults at least about it's an action movie one of my expecting nothing action a case I think there's so many fantastic action movies like that are pretty twenty six codes nine nine yeah I enjoyed it and when you're next and speaking I ate those people on the internet here being ready main because there's no need for a good three and a half million people were involved in making this phone I know it's amazing communal efforts can be a bit scruffy Justin may as saying how many people go into making it it's been a pleasure yeah the customs up just to let people know what doctor Blair's labor is the counter on 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